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    Re: VVS Russian Air Force: News #1

    Post  Austin on Tue Jun 10, 2014 6:53 am

    HAEDAT is essentially RVV-BD export version limited to 200 km range

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    Post  mack8 on Tue Jun 10, 2014 11:06 pm

    UAC balance for 2013 released. Among many other things, seems there is a firm order for 10 Yak-130 and 30 Su-30SM for VMF:
    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/879603.html

    In related news, contract for an unspecified number of Yak-130s worth 23 billion roubles is in the making (not clear how old these news are and whether the VMF ones are included or not):
    http://rostec.ru/en/news/3902

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    Re: VVS Russian Air Force: News #1

    Post  mack8 on Tue Jun 10, 2014 11:19 pm

    1. long range air-to-air missile called HAEDAT is a done deal

    HAEDAT? Must be the translator, in the article it says "long range missile RVV-BD".

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    Post  mack8 on Tue Jun 10, 2014 11:30 pm

    Viktor wrote:Speeding up the modernization plan for strategic fleet  thumbsup 

    Russian Armed Forces to get 10 modernized strategic bombers by yearend

    Shoigu's visit at KAPO from last week:
    http://www.1tv.ru/news/techno/260343

    So what are those, Tu-22M3 with SVP-24-22 or full Tu-22M3M (Novella radar, new H-32 missiles etc etc.)? The 10-12 aircraft p.a. includes the Tu-160 too i presume?


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    Post  GarryB on Wed Jun 11, 2014 8:48 am

    The Tu-22M3M is not considered a strategic aircraft... unless they have reinstalled the inflight refuelling probes...

    The strategic aircraft getting upgrades are Tu-95MSM and Tu-160M.


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    Post  Cyberspec on Wed Jun 11, 2014 11:41 am

    mack8 wrote:So what are those, Tu-22M3 with SVP-24-22 or full Tu-22M3M (Novella radar, new H-32 missiles etc etc.)? The 10-12 aircraft p.a. includes the Tu-160 too i presume?


    There's not much details given. I would guess a general overhaul, SVP-24 and H-32 capability....apparently they used the new material (see video) in place of aluminium in some places

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    Post  zg18 on Wed Jun 18, 2014 1:11 pm

    Modernized Tu-22M3(M?)





    http://i-korotchenko.livejournal.com/899956.html

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    Re: VVS Russian Air Force: News #1

    Post  George1 on Wed Jun 18, 2014 1:46 pm

    mack8 wrote:UAC balance for 2013 released. Among many other things, seems there is a firm order for 10 Yak-130 and 30 Su-30SM for VMF:
    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/879603.html

    In related news, contract for an unspecified number of Yak-130s worth 23 billion roubles  is in the making (not clear how old these news are and whether the VMF ones are included or not):
    http://rostec.ru/en/news/3902

    In the segment of the operational-tactical and naval aviation in 2013 enterprises belonging to the Corporation, made ​​a plan for the delivery of 54 aircraft operational and tactical air (OTA) state defense order
    (probable alignment:
    Su-30cm - 14 pcs.,
    Su-30M2 - 4 pcs.,
    Su-34 - 14 pcs.,
    MiG-29K/KUB - 4 pcs.,
    Yak-130 - 18 pcs.
    Su-35s, actually passed in 2014, in the number of delivered yet not included )

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    Re: VVS Russian Air Force: News #1

    Post  Viktor on Wed Jun 18, 2014 4:29 pm

    Another piece of the puzzle is done  russia 


    Completed test cycle Mi-38 helicopter

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    Re: VVS Russian Air Force: News #1

    Post  Austin on Fri Jun 27, 2014 7:11 am

    Russian UAV/UCAV Program ( via Air International July /Pitor )

    https://i39.servimg.com/u/f39/15/54/62/79/russia11.png

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    Post  Austin on Fri Jun 27, 2014 8:45 am

    So is Gonshchik and OKhotnik supersonic UCAV ?

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    Post  eridan on Fri Jun 27, 2014 11:13 am

    the image itself says they're not. 1000-1100 km/h top speed, so they're high subsonic.

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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Fri Jun 27, 2014 7:23 pm

    eridan wrote:the image itself says they're not. 1000-1100 km/h top speed, so they're high subsonic.

    Yes, they're only slightly slower than Mach 1.

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    Re: VVS Russian Air Force: News #1

    Post  GarryB on Sat Jun 28, 2014 12:32 pm

    The technical term for aircraft able to fly at 1,100km/h is transonic... they should be able to fly supersonically in a dive...


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    Re: VVS Russian Air Force: News #1

    Post  Austin on Sat Jun 28, 2014 12:37 pm

    Why not make it supersonic , Why keep it transonic ?

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    Post  Viktor on Sun Jun 29, 2014 12:49 am

    Nice - new contract expected in 2014 and 2015

    KLA and the Ministry of Defense in 2015, sign contracts for another 170 aircraft

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    Post  mack8 on Sun Jun 29, 2014 1:30 am

    Viktor wrote:Nice - new contract expected in 2014 and 2015

    KLA and the Ministry of Defense in 2015, sign contracts for another 170 aircraft

    OK, some number crunching, corrections welcomed: estimated perhaps 30-50 Yak-130, 30-50 Su-30SM, 48-64 Su-35S, another 24? MiG-29KR/KUBR, 16-20 MiG-29SMT, and perhaps the first 10 pre-production T-50, or perhaps a full order for 48-60 if orders for the other types are on the lower side? Plus the MiG-35 contract (24-48?) seems to be in addition to these 170-180 aircraft, no?

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    Post  TR1 on Sun Jun 29, 2014 1:55 am

    More Yaks; the mentioned the new batch would be bigger than the last one, and that is just VVS.
    MiG-29SMT depends on MiG-35 status.
    New K/KUB orders is a surprise to me honestly.
    New SMs will probably be to fulfill the VMF wanting 50 birds.

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    Re: VVS Russian Air Force: News #1

    Post  Viktor on Sun Jun 29, 2014 3:02 am

    mack8 wrote:
    Viktor wrote:Nice - new contract expected in 2014 and 2015

    KLA and the Ministry of Defense in 2015, sign contracts for another 170 aircraft

    OK, some number crunching, corrections welcomed: estimated perhaps 30-50 Yak-130, 30-50 Su-30SM, 48-64 Su-35S, another 24? MiG-29KR/KUBR, 16-20 MiG-29SMT, and perhaps the first 10 pre-production T-50, or perhaps a full order for 48-60 if orders for the other types are on the lower side? Plus the  MiG-35 contract (24-48?) seems to be in addition to these 170-180 aircraft, no?

    I think it is still prematurely to speak about on what might those numbers reffer to but I think this info will make worthy addition once singing of contracts starts. Imagine if all

    the things you just mentioned are signed during 2014 leaving 170 contract planes to be signed in 2015  Very Happy  Very Happy 



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    Re: VVS Russian Air Force: News #1

    Post  Austin on Sun Jun 29, 2014 7:13 am

    Jabs: AN-70 does not need the Russian Federation, as Ukraine does not eliminate its shortcomings

    http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20140628/1013986492.html


    "I policy in this matter was not engaged, but when I took the Air Force AN-70 was recommended for mass production, but I looked at the act - there are four defects, which is impossible because even if one of them to recommend serial production ", - said Mikhailov in the" General Staff "radio RSN .

    Former commander explained that he demanded the removal of the four gaps and complete a full test cycle. "There were conflicts with the documentation, they are not allowed to this day, although Serdyukov money pumped into this program again, quite a lot. Now they're buried and useless again, so you need to anticipate and feel with whom you work, and do not give them any money before time. Flirting in this matter is unacceptable, "- he added.


    Mikhailov said that, if we compare the AN-70 and IL-476 in terms of efficiency, cost, and other parameters, "476 car two to three times better in all respects than the An-70."

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    Post  TheArmenian on Sun Jun 29, 2014 7:29 am

    Interesting recent TV program.

    From 2:45 watch the remont/restoration/modernization of Su-25 and other warplanes in the factory.
    There are alos other interesting bits in the 20 minute program: Peter the Great cruiser, Space rockets and Terminator.


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    Post  GarryB on Sun Jun 29, 2014 12:54 pm

    Why not make it supersonic , Why keep it transonic ?

    Ask yourself why not make the Yak-38 supersonic, or AWACS aircraft supersonic... or indeed the Su-25 supersonic.

    Just looking at the information on the page that came with that chart the engines being used are RD-33s but without afterburners. This makes them lighter and simpler and likely cheaper. It also reduces their thrust and their IR signature.

    When developing an aircraft you need to decide on its parameters... like speed, altitude, range performance. All these factors are effected by weight and available space and today RCS and IR signature are aspects as well.

    Just look at the difference between a U-2 spyplane and an SR-71 spyplane... both have very similar missions, though ironically the U-2 flew over enemy air defences, while the SR-71 flew down borders when it was no longer possible to fly over air defences and remain inside the atmosphere.

    The design of the SR-71 is completely different and focused almost completely on speed.

    I am sure the Russians likely have some secret UAVs that also focus on high speed to slip in and out of enemy territory, but I suspect these UCAVs and UAVs are more intended to loiter for long periods on station in places it would not be safe to send manned aircraft.

    higher speed would not make the aircraft that much safer but will shorten time on station and also likely require different wing shapes and aerodynamic shapes too.

    High drag bumps and bits that stick out... like EO balls and various external antenna can be used on subsonic aircraft but produce unnecessary drag on a supersonic aircraft.

    Long story short achieving supersonic speed would require specific design, while the roles intended for the aircraft might not gain much benefit from having supersonic flight speed... even for very short periods.

    Note changing to a low bypass jet with afterburners and fitting them to a Tu-95 would increase flight speed but totally ruin flight range yet would not allow supersonic strategic flight.

    The Tu-160 on the other hand can fly about 10,000km at supersonic cruise with its wings folded back in low drag flight.


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    Re: VVS Russian Air Force: News #1

    Post  Austin on Sun Jun 29, 2014 1:21 pm

    Thanks Garry , Since the 20 T UCAV was based on T-50 PAK-FA design as they mentioned it would be , I was expecting it to be supersonic.

    The Mig working on 5 T UCAV was a surprise I want expecting that.

    I think if they are going for high subsonic design then most likely the 5 T and 20 T UCAV will be very stealthy.

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    Post  GarryB on Mon Jun 30, 2014 1:16 pm

    Thanks Garry , Since the 20 T UCAV was based on T-50 PAK-FA design as they mentioned it would be , I was expecting it to be supersonic.

    It might weight 20 tons but look at the engine power... 52KN thrust per engine... that is the dry thrust of an RD-33 and would never allow a 20 ton aircraft supersonic flight speed.

    ... an RD-33 in AB generates about 82KN thrust per engine, with the dry thrust something like 50KN.

    I suspect these UAVs... well they are likely UACVs, will have low powered engines to improve fuel fraction for extended range and endurance at the expense of top speed and high agility.

    I think if they are going for high subsonic design then most likely the 5 T and 20 T UCAV will be very stealthy.

    Most UCAVs seem so far to have poor situational awareness.. which suggests to me the best way to design them is so that they can fly as high as possible and be hard to reach and detect. Having very high speed is one way to avoid interception, but when your job is to look at the enemy for long periods max speed is not so important and indeed counter productive.

    Regarding sanctions that is probably better discussed on an economics thread, but when push comes to shove most of the Ti being used for the F-35 is coming from Russia who corners the market in the material.


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    Re: VVS Russian Air Force: News #1

    Post  Austin on Mon Jun 30, 2014 6:22 pm

    If I am not wrong the 20 T UCAV uses  2 RD-33 engine in dry thrust.

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