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    Re: VVS Russian Air Force: News #1

    Post  eridan on Sun May 18, 2014 8:14 pm

    even a 80 ton mtow helicopter sounds too crazy to be taken seriously, let alone a 80 ton payload helo, which would indicate a 150 ton (mtow) monstrosity. What sort of market could there be for such aircraft when even mi-26 isn't really present around the world in more than 100 airframes?

    That piece of news some years ago about 30-35 mtow ton helicopter as a result of russia/china cooperation makes much, much more sense, for both countries, especially for military purposes.

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    Post  Viktor on Sun May 18, 2014 8:26 pm

    Well Russians tend to build biggest everything. It could be a typo and it could be its not. Just because something is out of proportions does not mean its not true.

    Until proven othervise I believe them.


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    Post  TR1 on Sun May 18, 2014 10:57 pm

    It's Rogozin. He says many things that mean nothing.

    What I heard about China and Russia was similar to what eridan said.
    Not a Mi-26 replacement, but something smaller.

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    Post  flamming_python on Sun May 18, 2014 11:53 pm

    Viktor wrote:wow wow wow  thumbsup 

    Rogozin: Russia will cooperate with China and in the sky and in space

    Russia and China are developing 80 ton load HELICOPTER  Laughing Laughing Laughing 

    there seems to be some other interesting projects too but nothing is said about them as of now .... if they will came to be anything ambitious like this helo project than we are in for a fun

    ride

    Russo-Sino superheavy helicopter project was first mentioned last year; but little further details were available.

    TR1 wrote:It's Rogozin. He says many things that mean nothing.

    What I heard about China and Russia was similar to what eridan said.
    Not a Mi-26 replacement, but something smaller.

    He does, but talk of this project started surfacing at the time that Russian and Chinese commissions were meeting last year

    If Rogozin is only repeating something that someone else already said - then it's OK. You just have to run it through the BS filter a couple of times and then the info is ready to go.

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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Mon May 19, 2014 12:06 am

    eridan wrote:even a 80 ton mtow helicopter sounds too crazy to be taken seriously, let alone a 80 ton payload helo, which would indicate a 150 ton (mtow) monstrosity. What sort of market could there be for such aircraft when even mi-26 isn't really present around the world in more than 100 airframes?

    That piece of news some years ago about 30-35 mtow ton helicopter as a result of russia/china cooperation makes much, much more sense, for both countries, especially for military purposes.

    It may not be a military application it may be a super heavy helicopter for construction, that something China would see a lot of use in their countless mega infrastructure projects. A mega heavy helicopter could be very useful constructing and repairing structural pieces that are suspended high in the air, such as bridges, dams, skyscrappers, and if the Chinese are financing it who is to tell them no? Again, the most likely scenario is that it's a civilian helicopter meant for infrastructure construction, and a military application (most likely for military engineering purposes) is a distant second option.

    A secondary intriguing aspect of this is that it might spur the domestic helicopter engine producing capacity, and helps Russia become less reliant on Ukraine for helicopter engines.

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    Post  GarryB on Mon May 19, 2014 11:10 am

    The Mi-26 is an amazing helo and in many ways is a VSTOL C-130/An-12, but an 80 ton payload helo would be a VSTOL C-17!

    At the same time very useful, but also hard to comprehend...


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    Re: VVS Russian Air Force: News #1

    Post  zg18 on Tue May 27, 2014 9:42 pm

    Not sure where to put image , so opted here



    New Air defense system at Obukhovsky plant , St. Petersburg

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    Post  medo on Tue May 27, 2014 9:49 pm

    zg18 wrote:Not sure where to put image , so opted here



    New Air defense system at Obukhovsky plant , St. Petersburg

    This is something new. On launcher are not missiles, but mass gabarites. Considering position of launcher, missiles will be most probably vertically launched. Maybe it have something to do with Morphei (for testing components).

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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Tue May 27, 2014 9:49 pm

    zg18 wrote:Not sure where to put image , so opted here



    New Air defense system at Obukhovsky plant , St. Petersburg

    The missile tubes look rather small, Morfey perhaps?

    Edit: Medo came to the same conclusion as me.

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    Post  mutantsushi on Wed May 28, 2014 2:32 am

    TR1 wrote:It's Rogozin. He says many things that mean nothing.
    What I heard about China and Russia was similar to what eridan said.
    Not a Mi-26 replacement, but something smaller.
    I had been thinking that Mi-46 concept was going to be the basis for the "heavy lift" cooperative project.
    These numbers just seem a bit too far out there, I cannot take them as fact until there is real confirmation for sure...

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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Wed May 28, 2014 5:36 am

    Ka-52 related equipment:

    Helmet-mounted target designation system and display for a helicopter pilot (Helmet-mounted target designation and indication system for helicopters)




    RFCs Crossbow FH01 (Arbalet FH01 radar)




    Laser Station optronic suppression from the board defense helicopters President-C (Laser ECM station from President-S ECM system for helicopters) Information plate (Datasheet in Russian)






    806P weapon control system from the Ka-52 (Weapon control system 806P for Ka-52)




    Sighting and computational complex PrVK-24 (Sighting computer system PrVK-24)




    http://vitalykuzmin.net/?q=node/566

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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Wed May 28, 2014 5:52 am

    zg18 wrote:Not sure where to put image , so opted here



    New Air defense system at Obukhovsky plant , St. Petersburg

    I would say we have four mass replicas of S-300/S-400 standard-size missiles on a launcher that is behind the vehicle in the foreground, with the front vehicle (the one in the foreground) obscuring most of the launcher.

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    Post  Viktor on Wed May 28, 2014 2:24 pm

    New pics


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    Post  medo on Wed May 28, 2014 5:42 pm

    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    zg18 wrote:Not sure where to put image , so opted here



    New Air defense system at Obukhovsky plant , St. Petersburg

    I would say we have four mass replicas of S-300/S-400 standard-size missiles on a launcher that is behind the vehicle in the foreground, with the front vehicle (the one in the foreground) obscuring most of the launcher.

    If there is a vehicle behind, we should see at least wheels and shadow of it, which should be between front vehicle and the group of people. This one is interesting, because it is not standard S-300 launcher and also not an engagement radar vehicle, but have different elements covered by cover. Specially operators container covered behind is mysterious. Maybe it is photoshoped, but still, those components on one vehicles are not usual for S-300 or S-400 and they are covered. This is something new for tests.

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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Wed May 28, 2014 6:28 pm

    medo wrote:
    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    zg18 wrote:Not sure where to put image , so opted here



    New Air defense system at Obukhovsky plant , St. Petersburg

    I would say we have four mass replicas of S-300/S-400 standard-size missiles on a launcher that is behind the vehicle in the foreground, with the front vehicle (the one in the foreground) obscuring most of the launcher.

    If there is a vehicle behind, we should see at least wheels and shadow of it, which should be between front vehicle and the group of people. This one is interesting, because it is not standard S-300 launcher and also not an engagement radar vehicle, but have different elements covered by cover. Specially operators container covered behind is mysterious. Maybe it is photoshoped, but still, those components on one vehicles are not usual for S-300 or S-400 and they are covered. This is something new for tests.

    May'be a hybrid SAM, a prototype that both fulfills duties of long-to medium range, and SHORAD something like a S-300/S-400 variant with a extended trailer for a Morfey or a Tor missile launcher, a possible evolutionary path of advanced IAD. The philosophy of Russian IAD tactics is to have advanced, reliable, cost-effective, and ever evolving/progressing SAM and IAD tactics. Russian MOD doesn't like to stay complacent when it comes to future aerial threats and aerospace defense, and I honestly think hybrid SAM's will pave the way for the future allowing more flexibility for future advanced Russian SAM's.

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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Wed May 28, 2014 10:27 pm

    medo wrote:
    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    zg18 wrote:Not sure where to put image , so opted here



    New Air defense system at Obukhovsky plant , St. Petersburg

    I would say we have four mass replicas of S-300/S-400 standard-size missiles on a launcher that is behind the vehicle in the foreground, with the front vehicle (the one in the foreground) obscuring most of the launcher.

    If there is a vehicle behind, we should see at least wheels and shadow of it, which should be between front vehicle and the group of people. This one is interesting, because it is not standard S-300 launcher and also not an engagement radar vehicle, but have different elements covered by cover. Specially operators container covered behind is mysterious. Maybe it is photoshoped, but still, those components on one vehicles are not usual for S-300 or S-400 and they are covered. This is something new for tests.

    Vide supra.

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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Wed May 28, 2014 10:28 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    medo wrote:
    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    zg18 wrote:Not sure where to put image , so opted here



    New Air defense system at Obukhovsky plant , St. Petersburg

    I would say we have four mass replicas of S-300/S-400 standard-size missiles on a launcher that is behind the vehicle in the foreground, with the front vehicle (the one in the foreground) obscuring most of the launcher.

    If there is a vehicle behind, we should see at least wheels and shadow of it, which should be between front vehicle and the group of people. This one is interesting, because it is not standard S-300 launcher and also not an engagement radar vehicle, but have different elements covered by cover. Specially operators container covered behind is mysterious. Maybe it is photoshoped, but still, those components on one vehicles are not usual for S-300 or S-400 and they are covered. This is something new for tests.

    May'be a hybrid SAM, a prototype that both fulfills duties of long-to medium range, and SHORAD something like a S-300/S-400 variant with a extended trailer for a Morfey or a Tor missile launcher, a possible evolutionary path of advanced IAD. The philosophy of Russian IAD tactics is to have advanced, reliable, cost-effective, and ever evolving/progressing SAM and IAD tactics. Russian MOD doesn't like to stay complacent when it comes to future aerial threats and aerospace defense, and I honestly think hybrid SAM's will pave the way for the future allowing more flexibility for future advanced Russian SAM's.

    Which one of the two vehicles in the picture are you referring to?

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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Tue Jun 03, 2014 12:56 pm

    zg18 wrote:Not sure where to put image , so opted here



    New Air defense system at Obukhovsky plant , St. Petersburg

    Video footage:


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    Post  Viktor on Wed Jun 04, 2014 1:58 pm

    Speeding up the modernization plan for strategic fleet  thumbsup 

    Russian Armed Forces to get 10 modernized strategic bombers by yearend

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    Post  George1 on Wed Jun 04, 2014 2:03 pm

    Viktor wrote:Speeding up the modernization plan for strategic fleet  thumbsup 

    Russian Armed Forces to get 10 modernized strategic bombers by yearend

    10-12 aircrafts per year means that they can go for more than 30 Tu-22M3Ms

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    Post  Viktor on Wed Jun 04, 2014 2:21 pm

    George1 wrote:
    Viktor wrote:Speeding up the modernization plan for strategic fleet  thumbsup 

    Russian Armed Forces to get 10 modernized strategic bombers by yearend

    10-12 aircrafts per year means that they can go for more than 30 Tu-22M3Ms

    Exactly. Basically the same situation as with MiG-31 modernization.


    Anyway firsts modernized Tu-22M3 being delivered to Russian Air Force  thumbsup 

    Russia brings in service modernized long-range bomber Tu-22M3

    Who can tell a few words about this modernization?

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    Post  Viktor on Sat Jun 07, 2014 10:35 am

    Few points from excellent interview with Pogosyan

    1. Su-34 weapons will be ready by the end of this year
    2. New weapons for Su-34 will make of him a true shock weapon
    3. Production of Su-35 will grow
    4. Experience with PAK-FA will make PAK-FA development faster and cheaper

    LINK

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    Post  Austin on Mon Jun 09, 2014 2:33 pm

    Very Informative Interview

    Interview with General Director of JSC "Corporation" Tactical Missiles "Boris Obnosov.

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    Post  Viktor on Mon Jun 09, 2014 8:16 pm

    Austin wrote:Very Informative Interview

    Interview with General Director of JSC "Corporation" Tactical Missiles "Boris Obnosov.

    My vote Austin. So:

    1. long range air-to-air missile called HAEDAT is a done deal  thumbsup 

    from link:

    Next product - missile "air-" long-range HAEDAT designed to engage aerial targets - fighters, attack planes, bombers, aircraft BTA, helicopters, cruise missiles - at any time, at all angles, under RAP on background land and water surfaces, including multi-firing on a "fire and forget". Generally it is a unique product. In the export version has a range of 200 km starting. Allows very efficient air battles outside the affected areas of the enemy weapon


    2. Future requirements

    The main requirements are to ensure the application (start) from outside the reach of enemy air defense, as well as the implementation of the principle of "fire and forget". A feature of modern TSA requirement is to place them in the inner compartments fighter. This affects not only the dimensions of weapons, but also involves the need to ensure the targeting on the trajectory after the start (and not on the suspension, as was done previously


    3. Dozens of new weapons will be introduced for air force and navy

    4. great read in generally

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    Post  GarryB on Tue Jun 10, 2014 4:53 am

    This affects not only the dimensions of weapons, but also involves the need to ensure the targeting on the trajectory after the start (and not on the suspension, as was done previously

    So they are clearly talking about compact weapons designed for internal carriage and lock on after launch capabilities.

    Nice.

    It is important to remember that slim control fins allowed three R-37Ms in each row on the belly of the MiG-31M, so this new missile design might also be able to be carried in larger numbers too.

    For shorter ranged weapons that might mean alternative mounting options including more than one missile per pylon.


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