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    George1

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    Re: VVS Russian Air Force: News #1

    Post  George1 on Sat Aug 01, 2015 7:32 pm

    An-140 production is stopped in favor of Il-114?

    "Aviacor": An-140 is dead, long live the IL-114?

    The last days of July have become rich on statements regarding the production program of OAO Samara "Aviakor aircraft factory." It is obvious that the factory once again going through hard times, and it can actually save only a miracle.

    So, July 31, 2015 reported that "Aviacor" suspended issuance program of AN-140 due to the political situation around Ukraine - TASS reported, by the company CEO, Alexei Gusev. "Given that we have on this project 34 suppliers of components, as well as the head of "Antonov" [aircraft manufacturing concern] is in Ukraine, as quickly arrange for import substitution is not possible. So we have this program temporarily stopped, and then we'll see, "- he said.

    Gusev added that the assembly of aircraft is still in progress of the components are stored in warehouses. "Of the backlog, we are finishing the construction of aircraft" - quoted by Interfax Gusev. How many aircraft can be collected from the remaining components, he did not elaborate.

    This summer, the plant was unable to perform the contract for the production of AN-140 Russian Defense Ministry due to failure of supply of Ukrainian components which had to ensure the concern "Antonov".
    Because of the political situation ruptured relations between the Russian and Ukrainian aviation and military industries, which were once part of a single Soviet complex.

    In turn, the decision on the draft release of the IL-114 at the Samara plant can be taken at the end of 2015. This was told to reporters in July 30 by the governor of the Samara Region, Nikolai Merkushin. "A final decision on the start of production of the plane yet. The project is now postponed to next year, that is, it will be considered at the end of 2015 and will then be decided whether scheduled for next year funds for its implementation" - said Merkushin.

    He said that the project postponed, due in no small part to the economic situation. "As estimated in general for the project to implement it, you need 58 billion rubles - this new equipment, modernization of the plant for the aircraft, the numbering of the aircraft, well, and in the same amount of leasing - the plane will cost about about $ 14-16 million, the company will be very difficult to buy such an expensive aircraft, "- said the head of the region.


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    Re: VVS Russian Air Force: News #1

    Post  Austin on Mon Nov 30, 2015 8:30 am

    Does the Su-34 and Su-30SM operating in Syria has MAWS ?

    AFAIK they dont and only Su-35S has 360 degree MAWS ?

    Without MAWS these types operating in Syria wont come to know they are under MANPAD attack
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    Post  medo on Mon Nov 30, 2015 9:05 am

    Austin wrote:Does the Su-34 and Su-30SM operating in Syria has MAWS ?

    AFAIK they dont and only Su-35S has 360 degree MAWS ?

    Without MAWS these types operating in Syria wont come to know they are under MANPAD attack

    They don't have optical type MAWS, but that doesn't mean they could not have radar type MAWS. New Pastel RWR placed on the wings and on the tail fins give empty positions of older RWR sensors, so they could easily place some other sensors there. Su-30SM have those positions packed with sensors and they are not RWRs.

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    Post  Austin on Mon Nov 30, 2015 9:07 am

    They would need a modern gen 360 degree Opitcal MAWS to know they are under attack from MANPADS or IR class missile.

    Su-24 pilot did not knew they were under attack ? Why because it has MAWS on top of Spine probably just covering top 180 Degree

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    Post  Mindstorm on Mon Nov 30, 2015 9:12 pm

    Austin wrote:Why because it has MAWS on top of Spine probably just covering top 180 Degree

    Yes very likely Austin.

    Л-082 was purposely designed and conceived for open war operations against NATO targets; the very "peculiar" situation in Syrian theatre ,instead, has generated a scenario totally inconceivable for original designers of the system.

    In none instance in a true conflict, in facts, an "enemy" interceptor potentially capable to engage an Su-24M (moreover one perfectly tracked and followed any second, since its take-off, by the Federation's sensor echelon present in the sector) could had be capable to approach at only 5 km of distance at 35 degrees in the rear sector from lower altitude ,receiving target positional update from a pair of AWACS in the area, to deliver an AIM-9X in LOBL close combat mode ostensibly without a radar lock.

    The position on the Su-24M's frame of the Л-082's calotte take into account that in an open conflict a Su-24M  pass through or egressing from a contested area ,would mostly proceed at low altitude and high speed, therefore an air engagement with IR homing missiles would come from the upper hemisphere.  

    If any the very odd modality of this attack (even discounting the spatial ,temporal and procedural elements of the engagement sequence, very far from the normal international procedure between not enemy operators not threatening each the other) reinforce the hypothesis of an accurately planned ambush.

    In particular some factors are important in ascertain that :


    1) The vector and azimuth of approach of the Turkish aircraft, that seem to any extent guided directly by third party ISR assets to an useful point of interception, out of the chosen SU-24Ms sensor FOV.  

    2) The accurate avoidance by part of the F-16 of a direct radar lock , that could have alerted the Su-24M and/or the allied ground operators that was following that Viper in theirs screens ,that the aircraft in question had become hostile

    3) The choice of a close range IR missile, shot at point blank range against a target moving at low speed and totally unaware that any aircraft could even only think to engage it ,not constituting a menace for any actor in the theatre (except for the local terrorist groups).

    This is the technical meaning of the words "stab in the back".


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    Does the Su-34 and Su-30SM operating in Syria has MAWS ?

    Post  Austin on Fri Dec 04, 2015 7:50 am

    Mindstorm wrote:
    Austin wrote:Why because it has MAWS on top of Spine probably just covering top 180 Degree

    Yes very likely Austin.

    Л-082 was purposely designed and conceived for open war operations against NATO targets; the very "peculiar" situation in Syrian theatre ,instead, has generated a scenario totally inconceivable for original designers of the system.

    In none instance in a true conflict, in facts, an "enemy" interceptor potentially capable to engage an Su-24M (moreover one perfectly tracked and followed any second, since its take-off, by the Federation's sensor echelon present in the sector) could had be capable to approach at only 5 km of distance at 35 degrees in the rear sector from lower altitude ,receiving target positional update from a pair of AWACS in the area, to deliver an AIM-9X in LOBL close combat mode ostensibly without a radar lock.

    The position on the Su-24M's frame of the Л-082's calotte take into account that in an open conflict a Su-24M  pass through or egressing from a contested area of would mostly proceed at low altitude and high speed, therefore an air engagement with IR homing missiles would come from the upper hemisphere.  

    If any the very odd modality of this attack (even discounting the spatial ,temporal and procedural elements of the engagement sequence, very far from the normal international procedure between not enemy operators not threatening each the other) reinforce the hypothesis of an accurately planned ambush.

    In particular some factors are important in ascertain that :


    1) The vector and azimuth of approach of the Turkish aircraft, that seem to any extent guided directly by third party ISR assets to an useful point of interception, out of the chosen SU-24Ms sensor FOV.  

    2) The accurate avoidance by part of the F-16 of a direct radar lock , that could have alerted the Su-24M and/or the allied ground operators that had the Viper was following that Viper in theirs screens ,that the aircraft in question had become hostile

    3) The choice of a close range IR missile, shot at point blank range against a target moving at low speed and totally unaware that any aircraft could even only think to enegage it ,not constituting a menace for any actor in the theatre (except for the local terrorist groups).

    This is the technical meaning of the words "stab in the back".

         

    Indeed this was the Ambush , Aided by All-Lies.

    All the more reason all Russian Fighters/Bombers/Transport should have MAWS , on Su-35S they use UV based MAWS for 360 * coverage , without which detecting IR based missile like SRAAM and MANPADS is impossible and pilot just have to depend on hunch or the rare RWR warning
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    Re: VVS Russian Air Force: News #1

    Post  George1 on Thu Mar 24, 2016 11:17 am

    Plant "Aviacor" to build another aircraft AN-140 for the Ministry of Defense of Russia

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1807527.html


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