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    Post  Viktor on Sat Jul 05, 2014 12:31 am

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    Post  Austin on Sat Jul 05, 2014 6:23 am

    TR1 wrote:The thing Austin posted is just optical missile and aircraft tracking and warning systems. No DIRCM.

    And yes, it has been on Su-35 for a while.

    So TR1 , This is optical and IR missile/aircraft tracking or just Optical.

    Does it provide  firecontrol tracking for weapons like AAM
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    Post  GarryB on Sat Jul 05, 2014 9:54 am

    The lower part is DIRCMs... laser directed dazzler to blind optically and IR and laser guided weapons.

    Oops, not, it is a laser marker detector to detect enemy laser target marking systems.

    So when you say EO you mean video channel or something else.

    How does the EO picture looks like ?

    It would include IR spectrum to scan for heat plume of incoming rocket or missile and heated nose tip of incoming rocket or missile, or moving IR signature to detect targets or threats.

    the system does not produce and image for the pilot, it collects data on threats and likely passes data to the self defence suite which will then automatically act to defend the aircraft.

    Yes , but you need to guide such missiles that have such great range .

    No it doesn't. As long as the radar is powerful enough to detect targets at long range it can compute an interception solution and transmit that solution to the missile while it is still in the weapon bay. Upon launch if the target changes speed or direction or both course corrections can be sent via radar link.

    The MIG 29 used the LAZUR data link but the Su 35S does not use LAZUR .

    So obviously the Su 35S ( and PAK FA ) will need a cutting edge Data Link system like NATO's Link 16 in order to share information with other Su 35S (PAKFA) , MIG 31 or even A 50 .

    Aircraft operated by the PVO used digital datalinks since the early 1980s... 1977 for the MiG-31.

    the R-37M has been intended for use by the MiG-29M, Su-27M, and Pak Fa since the 1980s. Do you think they would forget to include the necessary hardware?

    BTW the first test of R-37M used an Su-30 to track the target and pass back target data to the MiG-31M with the old model Zaslon radar, so it never even saw the target when it launched its missile.

    More importantly such a large powerful missile is valuable over shorter ranges as it can be launched from lower altitudes and still outrange most enemy missiles while its higher average speed will get it to enemy targets faster than their shorter range missiles can manage.

    But that is only for intra flight datalink and compared to LINK 16 it had inferior bandwith .

    Why do you think bandwidth is important? Target coordinates, speed and current course is all that is needed to do the calculations.

    Does it provide firecontrol tracking for weapons like AAM

    It is not part of the fire control system and does not use the IRST or radar... it is MAWS.


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    Post  medo on Sat Jul 05, 2014 9:54 am

    Austin wrote:
    TR1 wrote:The thing Austin posted is just optical missile and aircraft tracking and warning systems. No DIRCM.

    And yes, it has been on Su-35 for a while.

    So TR1 , This is optical and IR missile/aircraft tracking or just Optical.

    Does it provide  firecontrol tracking for weapons like AAM

    It depend on missiles. If new R-73 or other missile have lock on after launch capabilities, than this complex could easily give azimuth of target to missile to engage it. But anyone, in central computer all datas from all sensors are collected and presented, so through those sensors protection complex will be activated and engagement complex will be activated against those targets. So either pilot will turn plane against it or computer will send a missile against it without turning the airplane.
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    Post  RTN on Sat Jul 05, 2014 11:44 am

    GarryB wrote:
    the R-37M has been intended for use by the MiG-29M, Su-27M, and Pak Fa since the 1980s. Do you think they would forget to include the necessary hardware?

    Ok , so you are saying that Su 35S & PAK-FA will be using a different data link and not Lazur ?
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    Post  GarryB on Sat Jul 05, 2014 12:21 pm

    Ok , so you are saying that Su 35S & PAK-FA will be using a different data link and not Lazur ?

    They are both supposed to be fitted with L band AESA arrays in their wing roots. L Band is commonly used for datalinks including Link 16.

    Mindstorm probably has more information on the subject, but the PVO have been using long range datalinks for decades... and the PVO had plenty of Su-27s in service, and indeed was the primary user of the Su-30.


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    Post  Austin on Sat Jul 05, 2014 5:17 pm

    GarryB wrote:It would include IR spectrum to scan for heat plume of incoming rocket or missile and heated nose tip of incoming rocket or missile, or moving IR signature to detect targets or threats.

    the system does not produce and image for the pilot, it collects data on threats and likely passes data to the self defence suite which will then automatically act to defend the aircraft.

    How is this different from DAS ?

    Does DAS produce 360 * image for the pilot ?
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    Post  Sujoy on Sun Jul 06, 2014 8:14 pm

    RTN wrote: Ok , so you are saying that Su 35S & PAK-FA will be using a different data link and not Lazur ?

    Lazur is generall used by Mig 29 .

    Sukhoi uses the POLYOT-built K-DlAE and K-DlUE communications/data-link suite . This data link system is at par with Link 16 .
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    Post  GarryB on Mon Jul 07, 2014 12:27 pm

    How is this different from DAS ?

    Does DAS produce 360 * image for the pilot ?

    It is not different from DAS. Both scan the skies looking for threats or targets and feed the data they collect into the ESM/ECM suite.

    Neither produce visuals for the pilot.

    On the MiG-35 there will be an upper IRST and lower IRST optical system that will provide optical imagery for the pilot for engaging both ground and air targets.

    A targeting pod like Damocles can offer the same, though the IRST system of the MiG-35 is full 360 degree.

    Ok , so you are saying that Su 35S & PAK-FA will be using a different data link and not Lazur ?

    Pretty much all new Russian gear will have datalink equipment... from MBTs and IFVs through to helos and air defence systems... even ships will use the Sigma-S system of data sharing that can be used for targeting and guidance.

    Network in A-100 AWACS and even satellites and ground radar and datalinks will be every where.


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    Post  RTN on Mon Jul 07, 2014 12:33 pm

    GarryB wrote:On the MiG-35 there will be an upper IRST and lower IRST optical system that will provide optical imagery for the pilot for engaging both ground and air targets.

    A targeting pod like Damocles can offer the same, though the IRST system of the MiG-35 is full 360 degree.

    Currently the IRST on any aircraft does not offer any significant benefit in the visual bubble other than in the F-35 (probably) where the coverage is 360 degrees.

    Essentially, coverage of IRST is similar to radar albeit in azimuth only. While the IRST has the inherent advantage of a passive sensor, an alternate source is required for ranging (essential for enabling missile launch solutions).

    The advantage that it mainly offers is of a silent launch of a passive guided missile once the target ac is within the IRST envelope.

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    Post  Austin on Tue Jul 08, 2014 5:48 am

    I think from what I read its both an IR and Optical System combined.

    It mentions spherical Video environment i.e EO and IR based 3-5 microns
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    Post  Cyberspec on Tue Jul 08, 2014 7:30 am

    Austin wrote:I think from what I read its both an IR and Optical System combined.

    It mentions spherical Video environment i.e EO and IR based 3-5 microns

    You have your answer in the link you posted...

    - Automatic detection of aerial targets and missiles in both video (optical) and IR
    - Detection and guidance of aerial targets and missiles
    - Threats presentation on MFD (also aerial targets) and via audio warning
    - Field of view: Sphere via 6 sensors


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    Post  Austin on Tue Jul 08, 2014 7:40 am

    Thanks , With Translator on technical issue its always doubtful.

    With IR Channel and Optical/Video channel it should be able to image the target day and night
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    Post  GarryB on Tue Jul 08, 2014 11:18 am

    The added advantage of using both visual and IR means it will be useful even during the day when looking through clouds or smoke.

    Currently the IRST on any aircraft does not offer any significant benefit in the visual bubble other than in the F-35 (probably) where the coverage is 360 degrees.

    MiG-29M, MiG-29M2, and MiG-35 will use a total of 10 optical sensors including two IRST sensors that will enable 360 degree coverage in optical sensors, and 6 individual sensors and two twin sensors on the wing tips as shown in this image.



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    Post  RTN on Tue Jul 08, 2014 12:09 pm

    GarryB wrote:MiG-29M, MiG-29M2, and MiG-35 will use a total of 10 optical sensors including two IRST sensors that will enable 360 degree coverage in optical sensors, and 6 individual sensors and two twin sensors on the wing tips as shown in this image.

    Do you have an English version of this image ? As you would imagine in it's absence I cannot comment on what you have posted .
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    They says its for Su-35

    Post  GarryB on Wed Jul 09, 2014 7:03 am

    Perhaps if you spent as much time reading about MiG-29K/KUB/M/M2 and Mig-35 as you clearly do F-35 propaganda you might realise the F-35 isn't the only new generation aircraft with new stuff...

    The makers of the R-37M said in the 1990s that the new missile was intended not just for the MiG-31M, but also for the new generation of fighters like the MiG-29M, Su-27M and PAKFA.


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    VVS Russian Air Force: News #1

    Post  George1 on Wed Jul 09, 2014 1:43 pm

    Russian Ministry of Defense completed the acceptance of the third An-148 aircraft
    Russian Aviaton » Tuesday July 8, 2014 18:05 MSK

    The acceptance of the third An-148 aircraft assembled by Voronezh Aircraft Production Association (VASO) under a contract with Russian Ministry of Defense has been completed by the ministry, IA REGNUM, reports with reference to the enterprise’s press-service.

    According to the source, the enterprise completed the state testing of this liner in April.

    A total of 15 An-148-100E short-haul aircraft will be delivered to Russian Ministry of Defense by VASO during 2013-2017 period. The first jet of the type was inspected by Russian Minister of Defense, Sergey Shoygu, on November 8th 2013.


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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Thu Jul 10, 2014 9:53 pm

    For the people wondering about the situation of Ukrainian helicopter engine dependency for Russia, according to Andrei Shibitov they should be able to completely replace the dependency within 1.5 years, Klimov representative said the design bureau will manufacture 300-320 annually, including 250 for the Russian military.:

    http://itar-tass.com/politika/1159308
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    Post  TR1 on Fri Jul 11, 2014 12:17 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:For the people wondering about the situation of Ukrainian helicopter engine dependency for Russia, according to Andrei Shibitov they should be able to completely replace the dependency within 1.5 years, Klimov representative said the design bureau will manufacture 300-320 annually, including 250 for the Russian military.:

    http://itar-tass.com/politika/1159308

    Fairy tales. The VK-2500 production timeselip should let you know all you need about the potential to completely replace Motor-Sich helicopter engines in that timeframe.

    Plus, most customers are buying the TV3-117. They don't want the Vk-2500 on all of the platforms it can potential go on for cost reasons. Klimov production will cost more, let alone using VK-2500 for all their products.
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    Новый военно-транспортный вертолет, который должен заменить знаменитый Ми-8, будет создан до 2018 года, сообщил в четверг РИА Новости источник в российском военно-промышленном комплексе.
    "Первый прототип перспективного среднего транспортно-десантного вертолета будет создан через два или три года. Фактически это — глубокая переработка прославленного Ми-8", — сказал собеседник агентства.
    При создании нового вертолета, который по размерам будет "немного крупнее Ми-8", "в качестве концептуального образца был выбран Ми-35М".
    По словам источника, новая машина будет обладать более высокими летно-техническими характеристиками, большей экономичностью, грузоподъемностью, дальностью полета. На вертолете планируется установка бортового радиоэлектронного оборудования отечественного производства.
    "Это будет принципиально новый вертолет с современной бортовой электроникой. Он будет сделан в защищенном варианте — получит бортовой комплекс обороны, то есть индивидуальную защиту летательного аппарата от его поражения всеми типами оружия", — рассказал собеседник агентства.

    The new military transport helicopter, which is to replace the famous Mi-8, will be created by 2018, said Thursday RIA Novosti source in the Russian military-industrial complex.
    "The first prototype of the average long-term transport and assault helicopters will be created in two or three years. In fact it is - deep processing of the famous Mi-8" - a spokesman said.
    When creating a new helicopter that size would be "slightly larger than the Mi-8", "as the concept of the sample was selected Mi-35M".
    According to the source, the new machine will have a higher flight performance, greater efficiency, capacity, flight range. The helicopter is planned to install avionics domestic production.
    "It will be a brand new helicopter with modern on-board electronics. It will be placed in a protected form - get airborne defense, that is, individual protection of the aircraft from its defeat all types of weapons", - told the agency.
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    Post  GarryB on Fri Feb 06, 2015 9:31 am

    Probably a high speed model with a pusher propeller...

    This from Mil:



    or possibly this from Kamov:



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    Post  Werewolf on Fri Feb 06, 2015 9:32 am

    Most certainly and maybe even with stubbed wings like on Mi-24 for extra lift which translates in better speeds.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Fri Feb 06, 2015 9:35 am

    Werewolf wrote:Most certainly and maybe even with stubbed wings like on Mi-24 for extra lift which translates in better speeds.

    ...BTW does anyone find it funny that Sikorsky is turning in to a Kamov clone as of late with their designs? lol1
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    Post  Werewolf on Fri Feb 06, 2015 9:44 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:Most certainly and maybe even with stubbed wings like on Mi-24 for extra lift which translates in better speeds.

    ...BTW does anyone find it funny that Sikorsky is turning in to a Kamov clone as of late with their designs? lol1

    No, but what i find funny are the american fanboys on internet, calling everything that russia makes a clone of UH-60, AH-1,AH-64 but are know even so cocky to claim that such prototypes as S-97/X-2 are somehow innovative and superior, without knowing anything about rotor arrangement or that such stiff plastic rotors like S-97 uses are horrible for any battlefield where even 7.62mm rounds fly around but are always the first one to claim Ka-50/52 will be shot down with one single round to the rotor...that i find really funny.
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    The new military transport helicopter

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sat Feb 07, 2015 7:31 pm

    Werewolf wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:Most certainly and maybe even with stubbed wings like on Mi-24 for extra lift which translates in better speeds.

    ...BTW does anyone find it funny that Sikorsky is turning in to a Kamov clone as of late with their designs? lol1

    No, but what i find funny are the american fanboys on internet, calling everything that russia makes a clone of UH-60, AH-1,AH-64 but are know even so cocky to claim that such prototypes as S-97/X-2 are somehow innovative and superior, without knowing anything about rotor arrangement or that such stiff plastic rotors like S-97 uses are horrible for any battlefield where even 7.62mm rounds fly around but are always the first one to claim Ka-50/52 will be shot down with one single round to the rotor...that i find really funny.

    This is starting to look just like the smoothbore, autoloader, GLATGM debate were NATO-Stronk trolls were claiming they were terrible ideas, only for them to be eventually adopted by NATO military's; and now their claims against the co-axial rotors are now falling by the wayside. Funny you should bring up the fact that 7.62mm bullets will be flying around, seeing how DOD/Pentagon's lack of demand for BP glass for their Apaches leaves their cockpits vulnerable to that very caliber, and it's likely the S-97 will have the same problem (if there's no demand).

    However the biggest irony, the one that takes the cake is that the guy who founded Sikorsky helicopters was in fact a citizen of the Russian empire lmao!!! lol1

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