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    Post  Viktor on Thu May 15, 2014 2:18 pm

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    Re: VVS Russian Air Force: News #1

    Post  Viktor on Sun May 18, 2014 7:32 pm

    wow wow wow  thumbsup 

    Rogozin: Russia will cooperate with China and in the sky and in space

    Russia and China are developing 80 ton load HELICOPTER  Laughing Laughing Laughing 

    there seems to be some other interesting projects too but nothing is said about them as of now .... if they will came to be anything ambitious like this helo project than we are in for a fun

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    Post  eridan on Sun May 18, 2014 8:14 pm

    even a 80 ton mtow helicopter sounds too crazy to be taken seriously, let alone a 80 ton payload helo, which would indicate a 150 ton (mtow) monstrosity. What sort of market could there be for such aircraft when even mi-26 isn't really present around the world in more than 100 airframes?

    That piece of news some years ago about 30-35 mtow ton helicopter as a result of russia/china cooperation makes much, much more sense, for both countries, especially for military purposes.
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    Post  Viktor on Sun May 18, 2014 8:26 pm

    Well Russians tend to build biggest everything. It could be a typo and it could be its not. Just because something is out of proportions does not mean its not true.

    Until proven othervise I believe them.

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    Post  TR1 on Sun May 18, 2014 10:57 pm

    It's Rogozin. He says many things that mean nothing.

    What I heard about China and Russia was similar to what eridan said.
    Not a Mi-26 replacement, but something smaller.
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    Post  flamming_python on Sun May 18, 2014 11:53 pm

    Viktor wrote:wow wow wow  thumbsup 

    Rogozin: Russia will cooperate with China and in the sky and in space

    Russia and China are developing 80 ton load HELICOPTER  Laughing Laughing Laughing 

    there seems to be some other interesting projects too but nothing is said about them as of now .... if they will came to be anything ambitious like this helo project than we are in for a fun

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    Russo-Sino superheavy helicopter project was first mentioned last year; but little further details were available.

    TR1 wrote:It's Rogozin. He says many things that mean nothing.

    What I heard about China and Russia was similar to what eridan said.
    Not a Mi-26 replacement, but something smaller.

    He does, but talk of this project started surfacing at the time that Russian and Chinese commissions were meeting last year

    If Rogozin is only repeating something that someone else already said - then it's OK. You just have to run it through the BS filter a couple of times and then the info is ready to go.
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    Re: VVS Russian Air Force: News #1

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Mon May 19, 2014 12:06 am

    eridan wrote:even a 80 ton mtow helicopter sounds too crazy to be taken seriously, let alone a 80 ton payload helo, which would indicate a 150 ton (mtow) monstrosity. What sort of market could there be for such aircraft when even mi-26 isn't really present around the world in more than 100 airframes?

    That piece of news some years ago about 30-35 mtow ton helicopter as a result of russia/china cooperation makes much, much more sense, for both countries, especially for military purposes.

    It may not be a military application it may be a super heavy helicopter for construction, that something China would see a lot of use in their countless mega infrastructure projects. A mega heavy helicopter could be very useful constructing and repairing structural pieces that are suspended high in the air, such as bridges, dams, skyscrappers, and if the Chinese are financing it who is to tell them no? Again, the most likely scenario is that it's a civilian helicopter meant for infrastructure construction, and a military application (most likely for military engineering purposes) is a distant second option.

    A secondary intriguing aspect of this is that it might spur the domestic helicopter engine producing capacity, and helps Russia become less reliant on Ukraine for helicopter engines.
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    Re: VVS Russian Air Force: News #1

    Post  George1 on Mon May 19, 2014 9:11 am

    Aerospace forces to be established in Russia

    A new branch of the armed forces will be established in Russia soon. It will comprise the air forces and the aerospace defense forces, ITAR-TASS reports with reference to a high-ranking representative of the Russian Ministry of Defense.

    "The decision on establishing the new branch of the armed forces has been taken at the highest level and the work focused on establishment of the new structure, comprising the air forces and the aerospace defense forces, is in progress", - the source said.

    A source close to the ministry added that the Commander-in-Chief of the aerospace forces has not been appointed yet. "Issues connected with division of new structure will be discussed this month at a meeting dedicated to further development of the armed forces", - he said.

    According to the source, most likely, both the air forces and the aerospace defense forces will keep their current structure. "It is expected that the new Commander-in-Chief will have deputies responsible for the air forces, the aerospace defense forces and the air defense forces respectively. There also will be some more branches: anti-aircraft missile troops, radio-technical troops, etc.", - the source added.

    He said that the structure of the new branch of the armed forces has not been defined yet and at present it is under consideration. However, it is quite possible that the aerospace forces will comprise missile forces and artillery, including, Iskander tactical ballistic missile systems, able to engage euro anti-ballistic missile systems more efficiently as compared to attack and bomber aircraft". "The concept and approach are being developed; the corresponding research work is in progress", - the source noted.

    According to him, it is expected that the decision on establishing the new branch of the armed forces will be finalized in 2015.
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    Re: VVS Russian Air Force: News #1

    Post  GarryB on Mon May 19, 2014 11:10 am

    The Mi-26 is an amazing helo and in many ways is a VSTOL C-130/An-12, but an 80 ton payload helo would be a VSTOL C-17!

    At the same time very useful, but also hard to comprehend...


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    Aerospace forces to be established in Russia

    Post  GarryB on Mon May 19, 2014 11:35 am

    Aerospace forces to be established in Russia

    This is interesting... it sounds to me like the fighter aircraft interceptors (ie Su-27P and MiG-31s) currently in the RuAF that are on call 24/7 for border patrol and airspace protection might revert from RuAF bases/units to VKO forces.

    The VKO already has radars on the ground, the air, and in space, and also an enormous number of SAM units... this might add interceptors, which would allow the MiG-31 to get better funding and a replacement developed because it would be for the VKO who will prefer a custom designed aircraft.

    If it had remained the way it is now the RuAF might have dropped the MiG-31 and replaced it with the PAK FA which is a very good aircraft but a custom designed aircraft without the stealth would be cheaper and better IMHO.

    Speed, big radar, long range, and large capacity for lots of AAMs are very important.. PAK FA is not bad for speed and has a big radar and decent range, but can only carry 4 heavy long range AAMs internally. Carry 4 more externally and it will effect speed and range with the extra drag. The stealthy features are not important and therefore add cost without improving performance.

    For the RuAF it would be good enough and removing an extra aircraft type would save money.

    For the VKO a new upgraded faster MiG-31 replacement would be well worth the investment.


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    Re: VVS Russian Air Force: News #1

    Post  mutantsushi on Wed May 28, 2014 2:32 am

    TR1 wrote:It's Rogozin. He says many things that mean nothing.
    What I heard about China and Russia was similar to what eridan said.
    Not a Mi-26 replacement, but something smaller.
    I had been thinking that Mi-46 concept was going to be the basis for the "heavy lift" cooperative project.
    These numbers just seem a bit too far out there, I cannot take them as fact until there is real confirmation for sure...
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    Post  Viktor on Sat Jun 07, 2014 10:35 am

    Few points from excellent interview with Pogosyan

    1. Su-34 weapons will be ready by the end of this year
    2. New weapons for Su-34 will make of him a true shock weapon
    3. Production of Su-35 will grow
    4. Experience with PAK-FA will make PAK-FA development faster and cheaper

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    Re: VVS Russian Air Force: News #1

    Post  mack8 on Tue Jun 10, 2014 11:06 pm

    UAC balance for 2013 released. Among many other things, seems there is a firm order for 10 Yak-130 and 30 Su-30SM for VMF:
    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/879603.html

    In related news, contract for an unspecified number of Yak-130s worth 23 billion roubles is in the making (not clear how old these news are and whether the VMF ones are included or not):
    http://rostec.ru/en/news/3902
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    Post  George1 on Wed Jun 18, 2014 1:46 pm

    mack8 wrote:UAC balance for 2013 released. Among many other things, seems there is a firm order for 10 Yak-130 and 30 Su-30SM for VMF:
    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/879603.html

    In related news, contract for an unspecified number of Yak-130s worth 23 billion roubles  is in the making (not clear how old these news are and whether the VMF ones are included or not):
    http://rostec.ru/en/news/3902

    In the segment of the operational-tactical and naval aviation in 2013 enterprises belonging to the Corporation, made ​​a plan for the delivery of 54 aircraft operational and tactical air (OTA) state defense order
    (probable alignment:
    Su-30cm - 14 pcs.,
    Su-30M2 - 4 pcs.,
    Su-34 - 14 pcs.,
    MiG-29K/KUB - 4 pcs.,
    Yak-130 - 18 pcs.
    Su-35s, actually passed in 2014, in the number of delivered yet not included )
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    Post  Viktor on Wed Jun 18, 2014 4:29 pm

    Another piece of the puzzle is done  russia 


    Completed test cycle Mi-38 helicopter
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    Post  mack8 on Sun Jun 29, 2014 1:30 am

    Viktor wrote:Nice - new contract expected in 2014 and 2015

    KLA and the Ministry of Defense in 2015, sign contracts for another 170 aircraft

    OK, some number crunching, corrections welcomed: estimated perhaps 30-50 Yak-130, 30-50 Su-30SM, 48-64 Su-35S, another 24? MiG-29KR/KUBR, 16-20 MiG-29SMT, and perhaps the first 10 pre-production T-50, or perhaps a full order for 48-60 if orders for the other types are on the lower side? Plus the MiG-35 contract (24-48?) seems to be in addition to these 170-180 aircraft, no?
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    Post  TR1 on Sun Jun 29, 2014 1:55 am

    More Yaks; the mentioned the new batch would be bigger than the last one, and that is just VVS.
    MiG-29SMT depends on MiG-35 status.
    New K/KUB orders is a surprise to me honestly.
    New SMs will probably be to fulfill the VMF wanting 50 birds.
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    Post  Viktor on Sun Jun 29, 2014 3:02 am

    mack8 wrote:
    Viktor wrote:Nice - new contract expected in 2014 and 2015

    KLA and the Ministry of Defense in 2015, sign contracts for another 170 aircraft

    OK, some number crunching, corrections welcomed: estimated perhaps 30-50 Yak-130, 30-50 Su-30SM, 48-64 Su-35S, another 24? MiG-29KR/KUBR, 16-20 MiG-29SMT, and perhaps the first 10 pre-production T-50, or perhaps a full order for 48-60 if orders for the other types are on the lower side? Plus the  MiG-35 contract (24-48?) seems to be in addition to these 170-180 aircraft, no?

    I think it is still prematurely to speak about on what might those numbers reffer to but I think this info will make worthy addition once singing of contracts starts. Imagine if all

    the things you just mentioned are signed during 2014 leaving 170 contract planes to be signed in 2015  Very Happy  Very Happy 



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    Post  Austin on Sun Jun 29, 2014 7:13 am

    Jabs: AN-70 does not need the Russian Federation, as Ukraine does not eliminate its shortcomings

    http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20140628/1013986492.html


    "I policy in this matter was not engaged, but when I took the Air Force AN-70 was recommended for mass production, but I looked at the act - there are four defects, which is impossible because even if one of them to recommend serial production ", - said Mikhailov in the" General Staff "radio RSN .

    Former commander explained that he demanded the removal of the four gaps and complete a full test cycle. "There were conflicts with the documentation, they are not allowed to this day, although Serdyukov money pumped into this program again, quite a lot. Now they're buried and useless again, so you need to anticipate and feel with whom you work, and do not give them any money before time. Flirting in this matter is unacceptable, "- he added.


    Mikhailov said that, if we compare the AN-70 and IL-476 in terms of efficiency, cost, and other parameters, "476 car two to three times better in all respects than the An-70."
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    Post  TheArmenian on Sun Jun 29, 2014 7:29 am

    Interesting recent TV program.

    From 2:45 watch the remont/restoration/modernization of Su-25 and other warplanes in the factory.
    There are alos other interesting bits in the 20 minute program: Peter the Great cruiser, Space rockets and Terminator.

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    Post  TR1 on Wed Jul 02, 2014 1:25 am

    http://russianplanes.net/id140153
    http://russianplanes.net/id140157
    http://russianplanes.net/id140157

    The new camo for the attack helos. Don't like the Mi-35 one. The Mi-28 actually looks nice.
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    Post  Austin on Fri Jul 04, 2014 12:21 pm

    They says its for Su-35

    http://www.npk-spp.ru/deyatelnost/avionika/126-optiko-elektronnaya-razvedka-.html


    Wonder how it works ?

    Does this have IR and TV channel or one of them ?

    Does it aid weapon system like A2A missile ?

    Any one who understands russian can translate ?
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    Post  GarryB on Fri Jul 04, 2014 12:49 pm

    The SU 35S & the PAK FA will need to find a replacement for the R-37M .

    As far as I can tell there are two replacements for R-73M... the R-73M2 which will have an upgraded seeker and lock on after launch capability but similar range performance to the R-73 with a kinematic range of up to 45km in a high speed high altitude engagement in the head on aspect.

    the other missile is called Morfei and will be a much shorter range weapon with full thrust vectoring rocket engine, very few external flight surfaces and an IIR seeker using a QWIP sensor... it will have a range of about 10-15 km in the air to air model and half that for the ground launched or sea launched models.

    it will be a fairly high acceleration missile with very accurate guidance and will likely be used as an anti missile missile by both aircraft and ships and ground forces.

    Compared to missiles like the IRIS - T the R37M has less G and lacks Lock-On After Launch .

    But it does have a much longer range... 300km for the R-37M and 45km for the R-73M, which I think you are really talking about.

    That's not to say that the R 37M is not a good missile . It of course has good range and good HOBS capability but the Russian philosophy has always been to defeat enemy fighters at WVR ( something that NATO is realizing of late) . And for this high G and LOAL are an absolute must .

    With thrust vectoring aircraft and helmet mounted sights it is less of an issue to be honest. In normal combat the first thing you want is to maximise your kill probability by getting on the other guys tail before locking and firing. With R-73 the pilot really just needs to look, lock and fire, with Seeker sensitivity and ECCM being good enough to get a lock from any angle to the point where getting your shot off early becomes important because the missile closes on the target far faster than an aircraft can get on the tail of an enemy aircraft... Tests in the 1990s where MiG-29s with R-73s fought F-16s about 62% of the time the Falcons got on the tail of the MiGs but 100% of the time the F-16s were shot down already before the Falcons got into a position to shoot.

    Up until then the west was paying lip service to the next generation AAMs... AMRAAM and ASRAAM. Once they realised what a threat R-73 was they shifted focus from Sidewinders to AMRAAMs in a big way because even with Uber ASRAAM short range AAMs if the target could launch an R-73 even after you have launched your ASRAAM or IRIS-T or whatever then there was a good chance he was going to get you even if you got him... much better to stand off 20km and fired AMRAAMs.


    Wonder how it works ?

    Does this have IR and TV channel or one of them ?

    The top part is like DAS and is a distributed IR/EO sensor to detect and track targets all round the aircraft.

    The lower part is DIRCMs... laser directed dazzler to blind optically and IR and laser guided weapons.


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