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    Re: VVS Russian Air Force: News #1

    Post  GarryB on Thu Dec 02, 2010 1:46 am

    South Ossetia conflict Mostly.

    Plus the Government seems to have realised that the military industrial complex needs to be repaired and engaged whereas before it was just looking at the military.

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    Post  KRON1 on Thu Dec 02, 2010 2:20 am

    GarryB wrote:South Ossetia conflict Mostly.

    Plus the Government seems to have realised that the military industrial complex needs to be repaired and engaged whereas before it was just looking at the military.

    MoD's biggest problem is cost. Cost escalation in the MIC is almost twice as bad as it is in NATO. MoD put down the first payments for GOZ orders, then the producers come back and say it will cost 50% more than stated. This is why the first two GOZ never got funded. Now the state has to fund not only the order, but also the reequipping of MIC. They waited so long to do it, it will cost trillions of USD to do the job. Russia doesn't have those kind of funds. The industrialists are so greedy, the little money they do get will disappear as it did before.

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    Post  Vladimir79 on Thu Dec 02, 2010 8:56 pm

    Cost escalation and obsolescence are the two reasons why they have gone unfunded. Watching all those projects get canceled revealed alot. Now we are waiting on retooling and reogranisation so cost escalation will go down for the large orders about to come. The rest we will have to buy abroad.

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    Re: VVS Russian Air Force: News #1

    Post  GarryB on Fri Dec 03, 2010 3:14 am

    Volume will reduce the cost but developing new models and sourcing western components not available in Russia will also drive up costs.

    With a modern high tech production plant most of the costs are not labour costs so the low cost labour advantage Russia once had is now gone so prices are going to climb dramatically.

    That is why I have been suggesting that alternative solutions to all brand new should be sought.

    The plan of paying for 2,000 aircraft in the next ten years where 400 and something are upgrades is silly. A plan to make 1,200 all new aircraft, plus about 1,000 upgrades makes much more sense and would probably be much cheaper.

    The problem is that the leadership have locked themselves into the delusion that only the latest and best will do.

    The reality is that for the majority of its work the Air force doesn't need T-50s. For the majority of its work the Navy doesn't need carriers. It has been made known that for the majority of its work the Army doesn't need 22,000 tanks.

    The point is that a country the size of Russia does need numbers in certain areas, and aircraft and ships are the two main ones.

    The important thing is to have things in service and to give them regular and proper upgrades.

    The changes made to the Army sound to a layman as drastic cuts, but they include the removal of lower readiness units and a slight increase in the highest readiness units so in practical terms instead of having about 1,800 odd tanks ready to roll they will actually have about 2,200. The enormous reduction in tanks sitting in storage should lead to those tanks getting regular upgrades etc so the Army will actually be a much leaner and meaner force with this reduction.

    For the air force and the navy the situation is the opposite in that they do need numbers and it is often cheaper and easier to upgrade an existing aircraft or ship to an acceptable level than to make new ones from scratch.

    With better command, control, communications, computers, Intel, and Recon the Army will find that it can move on the battlefield much more efficently and react to the enemy to maximise the damage they can deliver and the lease cost, with an improved air force hitting important enemy assets they can start planning for attacks like Desert Storm and the like.

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    Re: VVS Russian Air Force: News #1

    Post  Russian Patriot on Sun Dec 05, 2010 2:35 am

    GarryB wrote:Volume will reduce the cost but developing new models and sourcing western components not available in Russia will also drive up costs.

    With a modern high tech production plant most of the costs are not labour costs so the low cost labour advantage Russia once had is now gone so prices are going to climb dramatically.

    That is why I have been suggesting that alternative solutions to all brand new should be sought.

    The plan of paying for 2,000 aircraft in the next ten years where 400 and something are upgrades is silly. A plan to make 1,200 all new aircraft, plus about 1,000 upgrades makes much more sense and would probably be much cheaper.

    The problem is that the leadership have locked themselves into the delusion that only the latest and best will do.

    The reality is that for the majority of its work the Air force doesn't need T-50s. For the majority of its work the Navy doesn't need carriers. It has been made known that for the majority of its work the Army doesn't need 22,000 tanks.

    The point is that a country the size of Russia does need numbers in certain areas, and aircraft and ships are the two main ones.

    The important thing is to have things in service and to give them regular and proper upgrades.

    The changes made to the Army sound to a layman as drastic cuts, but they include the removal of lower readiness units and a slight increase in the highest readiness units so in practical terms instead of having about 1,800 odd tanks ready to roll they will actually have about 2,200. The enormous reduction in tanks sitting in storage should lead to those tanks getting regular upgrades etc so the Army will actually be a much leaner and meaner force with this reduction.

    For the air force and the navy the situation is the opposite in that they do need numbers and it is often cheaper and easier to upgrade an existing aircraft or ship to an acceptable level than to make new ones from scratch.

    With better command, control, communications, computers, Intel, and Recon the Army will find that it can move on the battlefield much more efficently and react to the enemy to maximise the damage they can deliver and the lease cost, with an improved air force hitting important enemy assets they can start planning for attacks like Desert Storm and the like.
    In support of What Garry said:

    What's next for the Russian Air Force?
    RIA Novosti

    22:56 03/12/2010 RIA military correspondent Ilya Kramnik - Deputy Commander of the Russian Air Force Igor Sadofiyev said on December 1 that in the next ten years, Russia will acquire more than 1,500 new aircraft and upgrade more than 400 others. The media has mentioned these figures more than once when quoting high-ranking military officers, but now the Air Force is ready to disclose the full range of its purchases.

    Modernization

    The modernization of obsolescent planes at a relatively modest cost makes it possible to sharply increase the combat potential of the previous generation of aircraft. Such improvements are common practice in many national militaries, and, for its part, Russia primarily plans to upgrade its long-range aviation and cargo fleet.

    The Air Force will extend the service life of the Tu-160 (Blackjack) and Tu-95 (Backgin) strategic bombers and the Tu-22M3 long-range bombers and upgrade its IL-78 (Midas) refueling tankers. Additional improvements will be made to the A-50 "flying radar" and cargo aircraft, such as the An-124 Ruslan (Condor) and Il-76 (Candid) airlifters.

    Front-line aviation will also undergo modernization, but the accent will be shifted. All things considered, the Air Force will likely discontinue the modernization of the Su-27 (Flanker) fighter into its SM version after it receives 12 new aircraft of this type in 2011. In addition, next year the Air Force will begin flying the Su-35S fighter - the latest derivative of the Su-27.

    On the other hand, the Air Force plans to step up the modernization of the Su-25 (Frogfoot) assault plane, the Su-24 (Fencer) bomber, and the MIG-31 (Foxhound) interceptor. On par with transports and far-range bombers, they will form the backbone of Russia's upgraded air fleet.

    What's new?

    The planned purchase of 1,500 new aircraft and helicopters in the next ten years has sent some shockwaves, because in the past, annual purchases were limited to 30-40 aircraft in total. Many wonder if the plan is realistic.

    Ruslav Pukhov, director of the Centre for Analysis of Strategies and Technology (CAST) and one of the leading domestic military experts, explains: "Most likely, this number - 1,500 aircraft - includes not only planes and helicopters, but also drones. Many countries count their aircraft in this way, for instance, when they present information to the UN Register of Conventional Arms.

    In reality, the figure of "more than 1,500 aircraft" is most likely to include 350-400 new combat aircraft, about 100 military transports of different types, and 120-140 Yak-130 Mitten trainer aircraft. The remaining 800-900 aircraft will be helicopters and drones.

    Some figures on particular types of aircraft have been specified. The Defense Ministry has already signed contracts for the purchase of 32 Su-34 (Fullback) front-line bombers through 2013, 48 Su-35 fighters through 2015, 12 Su-27 SM (Flanker) fighters through 2011, four Su-30M2 (Flanker C) aircraft through 2011, and 12 Su-25 UBM trainer aircraft.

    This year the Defense Ministry plans to sign a contract for the delivery of 26 MIG-29K (Fulcrum) fighters by 2015. It is also expected to sign additional contracts for the purchase of at least 80 Su-34 (Fullback) fighter-bombers and 24-48 Su-35 (Flanker- E) fighters. All in all, these purchases will amount to about 240-260 aircraft.

    Contracts for the purchase of another 100-110 aircraft are likely to be awarded to the Sukhoi design bureau for the T-50 fifth generation fighter and other Sukhoi aircraft.

    The Defense Ministry also has plans to buy a long list of helicopters - primarily the Mi-28H (Havoc) and Ka-52 Hokum B attack choppers. By 2020, their numbers are likely to swell to 200-250 and 50-60, respectively, while different Mi-8 (Hip) versions will remain the backbone of the transport and combat fleet. Their serial production was launched in the 1960s and will continue for at least two more decades. The fleet of light helicopters previously represented by the Mi-2 (Hoplite) will be renovated - and the Mi-2 will be replaced with the light Ansat trainer and the multi-purpose Ka-60 Kasatka (Orca).

    Unknown drones and the bottom line

    The biggest enigma is the drones that the Air Force is planning to buy. In fact, today the military are expected to purchase drones that have not yet been developed or are, at most, in the last stage of design. It has been previously reported that the testing of domestic drones is scheduled to start in 2011. The new year will begin very soon, and hopefully we'll hear more about them in the next 12 months.

    As to the Air Force's overall number of aircraft, I can only repeat the previous estimate given by RIA Novosti. But by 2020, Russia will have about 800 efficient combat aircraft and a total fleet numbering between 1,500 and 1,700 planes and helicopters. Including Navy aircraft, Russian military aviation will possess around 1,800-1,900 aircraft, not counting drones.

    The views expressed in this article are the author's and may not necessarily represent those of RIA Novosti.

    http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/russia/2010/russia-101203-rianovosti03.htm

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    Re: VVS Russian Air Force: News #1

    Post  Vladimir79 on Sun Dec 05, 2010 3:47 am

    Upgrades for the transports and bombers can keep them running for 50 years. Upgrading fighters makes it 35 years at best. We seen what happens doing that in India, bunch of flying coffins. The inventory of fighters is dated at 1987 on average. 23 years to date, 12 years left if refurbished. Su-27SM stopped, no MiG-29s upgraded, limited MiG-31 upgrades... we are losing over 1200 fighters not including Su-24. Include Su-34 we are still only getting 350 if all goes to plan... which it rarely does here. Lets list what we have today that can be considered modern fighters...

    48 Su-27SM
    34 MiG-29SMT
    12 Su-30
    16 Su-34
    10 MiG-31BM

    120 fighters considered modern?!? censored

    VVS is supposed to compose 1500 fighters... we are screwed.


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    Re: VVS Russian Air Force: News #1

    Post  GarryB on Sun Dec 05, 2010 4:45 am

    I agree, I think they have underestimated the value of upgraded fighters.

    I think the Su-27SM upgrade should be continued and the Mig-29SMT upgrade applied too.

    I don't think these upgrades should be at the cost of new aircraft, but as well as.

    I think Russia really needs a cheap new -5th generation fighter that is smaller and cheaper than the T-50 that is stealthy but cheap to buy and operate. Something that can barely super cruise, but also can carry a large payload externally as a bomb truck when the enemies AD has been dealt with plus a fairly significant internal capacity for medium and short range weapons.

    The focus is stealth so it is not at a disadvantage in combat, but also low cost to operate and buy so it can be bought in large numbers so that older aircraft can be retired.

    I can understand upgrading the Mig-31 and the Su-25 because these aircraft are useful single role aircraft that are the best at what they do.
    The Su-24 upgrade however is a puzzle in many ways. First it is a strike only aircraft which means if you have 200 of them you have 200 strike aircraft. If you instead spend the money to upgrade the Mig-29s to SMT standard and the Su-27s to SM standard you also have a short and medium range strike capability along with fairly solid air to air capabilities as well. I would think the Su-27SM would have performance similar to an Su-24 in the strike role using guided standoff weapons over similar ranges, whereas the Mig-29SMT would have similar performance over shorter ranges, but the Su-24 can't compete with either aircraft in the air to air stakes.
    The final nail for the Fencer is that its replacement is in production. Perhaps when the Fullback (Su-34) is in service in sufficient numbers the plan might be to sell the upgraded Fencers to Algeria and Iran, but I think the air force should first of all clear the skies of enemy aircraft and go in and start taking apart the enemies air defence systems at the same time. The Su-34 should have air to air weapons that allow it to look after itself... it has R-77 and R-73 capability.
    The Tu-22M3 is already getting an upgrade too so any really deep strike missions the Su-27SM can't handle could be performed by Tu-22M3s hopefully escorted by Su-35s or later T-50s. 24 tons of bombs with a 2,000km flight radius is rather impressive... I still think they should reinstall the inflight refuelling probes on those things because the 24 ton payload capability is achieved by offloading some fuel. By topping up just after take off you would greatly improve flight range performance.

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    Re: VVS Russian Air Force: News #1

    Post  Andy_Wiz on Fri Jan 21, 2011 8:09 pm

    Ok guys IDK how you would react to it but apparently RuAF is mustering a contract for 28 to 36(with option to even more) Su-30MKI or MKM (or equivalent modification) with PESA, Thrust vectoring, canards etc. Contract will be signed in nearest future. Wait for officious... Cool

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    Post  GarryB on Sat Jan 22, 2011 4:05 am

    So what they want is something cheaper than the Su-35?

    An Su-30MKI with Russian equipment replacing the Indian and foreign content would still be a step up from the Su-30MKK, but if that is the case why not just order new build Su-27SM?

    And while they are at it why not just buy some Mig-29M2s?

    Have they mentioned problems with the Su-35?

    Maybe it has too many 5th gen bits that are not ready yet, or maybe they are getting a 4th gen fighter with a 5th gen price?

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    Post  Viktor on Sat Jan 22, 2011 8:48 am

    Andy_Wiz wrote:Ok guys IDK how you would react to it but apparently RuAF is mustering a contract for 28 to 36(with option to even more) Su-30MKI or MKM (or equivalent modification) with PESA, Thrust vectoring, canards etc. Contract will be signed in nearest future. Wait for officious... Cool

    Are your sure this has nothing to do with modernized Su-33 they are about to get?

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    Post  GarryB on Sat Jan 22, 2011 9:37 am

    I remember the last order they made there were about 6 Su-27SMs and 2 Su30M2s included.

    The Russians have been using the Su-30M in a command type role using a larger radar that is on a lot to find targets and pass those targets on to other platforms so the other platforms can operate radar and radio silent much closer to the enemy.

    Not so much in a Mini AWACS mode as is often described, but as a way for a flight of aircraft to operate near enemy lines in a radar silent mode but with full situation awareness because of data from the Su-30M.

    I believe they even used a Su-30M to track the target during the famous test of the Mig-31M with its R-37 missiles. The particular model Mig-31M didn't have a new Zaslon-M radar so it needed an aircraft closer to the target to feed it the target information it needed to launch the missile and get it close enough for the missiles seeker to home in and kill the target.
    The flight range of the missile was something like 300km.


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    Re: VVS Russian Air Force: News #1

    Post  Andy_Wiz on Sat Jan 22, 2011 2:20 pm

    GarryB:

    Mig-29SM2 is now MiG-35 - the program is facing some serious drawbacks particularly with its radar & optronic sensor suite, the new engine RD-43 was cancelled etc.. Anyway no new information on MiG-35. (Although some RuAF officials mentioned plans on MiG-35 a while back)
    Or you mean modernisation of existing fleet? I think there wont be any modernistation to Mig-29 and I agree fully with MoD on the issue the have max 10 years life in them - not worth it...

    My version:
    They get Su-30MKI'ski to complement and substitute sparkas(Su-27UB) as well as further expand multirole capability of the RuAF(the Multirole capacity is clear goal for all new airframes entering service)... There are less than 50 sparkas (Su-27UB) in flying conditions now.... Also this is a good sign, as maybe they may use them partly as trainers for Su-27SM3 - the 4++ gen Su-27 modernisation although it doesn't exist yet.(This means the Su-27's may not be retired as fast as Mig-29's)

    To produce Su-27SM is an anachronism now, they want something like the mysterious Su-27SM3 although it is in very early RFP stage. (They only just recently tested an RVV-SD or R-77PD from Su-27SM with enhanced radar - read NIIP Tikhomirov CEO interview)
    The Su-27 SM quantity will be 68-72 airrames total(They want to have three regiments, right now they got two - 2*24=48 + 4 in Lipetsk, 1-2 for testing...) - after that they'll move on to new types.

    Although I'm beggining to think that Su-27SM3 may have become doomed now...

    Aso a reason is that KnAAPO is overloaded with work on SSJ(the main factor),Su-35,PAKFA,Su-27SM,export Su-30's + maintenance and parts manufacturing for all the previously produced airframes(KnAAPO is now working as a repair site too) While Su-30MKI's are produced in Irkutsk..

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    Russian Air Force numbers and procurement plans

    Post  GarryB on Mon Jan 24, 2011 1:53 am

    What I think is that they are going to find aircraft cost is going to sky rocket and they are going to want a cheaper easy to produce smaller fighter that they can produce in large numbers that can do the job.

    You don't need an F-22 to drop laser guided bombs on Chechen bases, and you don't need Su-35s to intercept civilian aircraft that have wandered off course into the wrong airspace.

    Using an Su-35 as a mud mover and a fighter is stupid because of the cost of the Su-35.

    What they need is a Mig-29SMT with modern weapons both air to air and air to ground.

    One on one it might be at a disadvantage to a Typhoon or Rafale... but aircraft don't operate alone.

    A flight of very high flying Mig-29SMTs carrying R-37s getting target data from A-100s (replacement for the A-50s) firing missiles at targets 400km away it really doesn't matter if your RCS 3, 2, or 1m square or if you can carry 5 tons or 7 tons of bombs.

    If the in stock Mig-29s are not worth upgrading then make them new builds.

    If the US can't afford more than 190 F-22s it makes even less sense for Russia to make more than that even if they are cheaper.

    This means that 4+ generation aircraft like the Mig-35 and Su-35 will be the backbone of the Russian AF for some time to come so why not also have a numbers aircraft that is cheaper to buy and operate but has all the features of a modern fighter.

    Quite frankly I don't think it is healthy to have one maker of fighter aircraft in Russia.

    The problem with your thinking is that the Su-30MKI with all the Indian and foreign bits taken out and replaced makes it pretty much an Su-30MKK3 or perhaps 4.

    As the new stuff gets more expensive they are going to need a cheaper option... and I can't see an Su-30MKK4 being all that much cheaper than an Su-35.

    What they need is a smaller lighter cheaper fighter that they can new build that will offer good performance in air to air and air to ground but not appear too threatening to the west so its production in significant numbers is not worrysome.

    I expect Russia stationing Mig-29SMTx near Finland would not have the same impact as them stationing T-50s or Su-35s, yet it can perform border patrol missions as well as any other aircraft.

    Remember the Germans during WWII with their tank production?

    The big heavy uber tanks look fascinating but when you only have 200 for protecting the territory of Russia you realise maybe you got caught up in what is the best in the world instead of what you need for the job.

    It isn't enough to buy a few Su-35s and because they are multi role assume they can do the job of fighters and bombers.

    When a multirole aircraft gets grounded or shot down it means you lost multiple capabilities.

    Also it means you need to train your pilots for multiple mission types whereas in real combat you wont want Su-35s attacking ground targets... you will want them to primarily deal with enemy aerial threats... I really don't think the Army will understand that despite the fact that you have lots of multirole aircraft you can't spare any to actually fight the enemy ground forces because they are busy supporting SEAD missions or deep strike missions or simply trying to get air control... if you had larger numbers of smaller cheaper aircraft then it would be easier to train a larger portion for the swing role of tactical strike and air to air combat.

    Regarding the Su-27SM3 any further developments in technology can be applied to in service aircraft as midlife upgrades... the main problem for the AF was the lack of money meant no upgrades and not enough maintainence. Money has to be spent on maintaining aircraft of large sums will be spent now on aircraft and will have to be spent again replace them every 10 years.

    The thing is that each design bureau from the cold war period tended to have design bureaus it worked with, so we are not talking about the end of the Mig bureau alone, but also avionics and radar and engine makers too that are starved of cash and work when the Russian military neglects a product... and there is absolutely nothing wrong with the Mig-29.

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    Russia to buy 1,000 helicopters by 2020

    Post  Russian Patriot on Fri Feb 25, 2011 12:14 am


    Russia to buy 1,000 helicopters by 2020

    RIA Novosti

    13:22 24/02/2011

    MOSCOW, February 24 (RIA Novosti) - Russia's Defense Ministry announced plans on Thursday to buy 100 ships, over 600 aircraft and 1,000 helicopters under a 2011-2020 arms procurement program.

    Russia will buy 10 new generation S-500 air defense systems, which will replace the S-400 systems currently entering service with the Russian forces, said First Deputy Defense Minister Vladimir Popovkin, who is in charge of arms procurement.

    Russia plans to purchase more than 100 helicopters this year, including Mi-26 Halo heavy transport helicopters, Mi-28 Night Hunter and Ka-52 Alligator attack helicopters.

    Russia's Defense Ministry submitted the 19 trillion ruble ($651 billion) arms procurement spending plan for 2011-2020 to the government in December. Some 80% of the funds will be spent on buying weapons and 10% will be spent on scientific research.

    The official confirmed earlier reports that Russia will buy two Mistral assault ships from France, while two more of the ships will be built under license in Russia.

    Russia is planning to build eight strategic nuclear submarines by 2020 and equip them with Bulava submarine-launched ballistic missiles, which are expected to be put into service this year.

    Russia also plans to develop new heavy ballistic missiles to replace Soviet-era SS-18 Satan and SS-20 Saber ICBMs, Popovkin said.

    http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/russia/2011/russia-110224-rianovosti01.htm

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    Re: VVS Russian Air Force: News #1

    Post  GarryB on Fri Feb 25, 2011 1:01 am

    Russia will buy 10 new generation S-500 air defense systems, which will
    replace the S-400 systems currently entering service with the Russian
    forces, said First Deputy Defense Minister Vladimir Popovkin, who is in
    charge of arms procurement.

    WHAT?

    They only have about 2 deployed batteries of the S-400 and they want to replace it with S-500?

    Please tell me that is a translating error and he means the S-500 will replace the S-400 around Moscow and other places they have been intending to put ABM protection and that they will be produced together with S-500 as an ABM system and S-400 as a replacement for S-300 as a SAM and anti theatre ballistic missile system.

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    Zelin reports on Air Force Project Status

    Post  Vladimir79 on Wed Aug 10, 2011 7:09 am

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    Air Force Commander spoke about the new aircraft and air defense systems, which must be received by the Russian army

    Air force

    Air Force Commander Colonel General Alexander Zelin said Tuesday, as will develop in the next few years he headed the Armed Forces.

    Zelin said that during this year's fleet of combat vehicles of the Russian aircraft filled up with six front-line bomber Su-34. "Last year we had four such machines, this year we get six more," - said Zelin. He added that such an aircraft is not the Americans, "they have departed from this theme."

    "Su-34 protects the crew, but in its maneuvering capabilities and tasks to be solved it is close to the park long-range aviation aircraft. If he will carry cruise missiles, then switch to another class, "- said the commander, passes the RIA "Novosti".

    Zelin said that during training the Air Force Su-34 with two fill-ups for 8 hours flew from Lipetsk to Komsomolsk-on-Amur, and could reach even further, provided refueling.

    In the coming years, said the commander in chief, the defense industry will create aircraft radar detection of a new generation. "We plan to get airplane A-100, a carrier which will be machine Il-476 with PS-90 with long range," - said the Zelin. According to him, the car should be ready by 2016.

    IL-476 is a deep modernization of the military transport aircraft Il-76MD: the fuselage of the new machine is practically not change, but the wing will be different structurally. It will be applied lengthy panel that is used in basic design and technology wing of the IL-96.

    Talking about future models of equipment, the commander in chief has complained that the multi-purpose Su-35 isn't created quickly enough. "As for the Su-35, then work on it do not go as I wanted" - said Zelin.

    According to him, in making this car has some glitches. According to Zelin, on-board equipment and integrated defense system of the Su-35 is inferior American aircraft of the same type.

    "Our plane should be more protected from the air defenses of the enemy," - said the commander in chief.

    At the same time work to create fifth-generation aircraft T-50, according to the commander in chief, going as planned. "By the fifth generation until we go to the chart. Such failure to stop and think about these issues we do not "- said the general.

    Recall that in early July, a number of statements in which the implementation of defense contracts this year has been questioned. The next day, spoke with Anatoliy Serdyukov public statementIn which critics called "alarmists." The Minister admitted that the allocation of funds for the purchase of advanced weapons is uneven, but explained that this unevenness is coordinated with all concerned agencies.

    Unmanned Army and

    The Commander said the decision of the leadership of the Armed Forces decision to transfer an unmanned aircraft in the Army. "Unmanned aircraft is still in its air force, but there is a decision of the General Staff to transfer it into the Army," - said Zelin.

    Mi-X1 - another project of Russian-speed helicopter, developed by Yakovlev Design Bureau. Mil. According to the developers, the car can reach speeds of up to 500 kilometers per hour and used to serve remote areas. According to genkonstruktora Plant, the Mi-X1 in the future can compete with the medium-haul aircraft

    According to him, this issue closely involved in the chief command of Russian Air Force. "Directive Chief of Staff perform" - said the commander in chief.

    He said that in the future of unmanned aircraft operational and tactical plans to pass into the air bases, which are directly subordinated to the commanders of military districts.

    In addition, Zelin said, the Defense Ministry decided in the next decade, nearly double the number of air bases army aviation. "Now in our part of eight air bases army aviation. Until 2020, must have 14 air bases "- leads "Interfax" Commander of the word.

    He confirmed that under the state program of weapons until 2020 is planned to purchase more than one thousand helicopters. The Commander said that the urgency of Army aviation experience confirmed the five-day war with Georgia in 2008.

    Now, said the general, the Air Force are on arms attack helicopters Mi-28N, Ka-52 military transport and combat helicopters of new modifications of the family "Mi". "They are able to operate both day and night" - said captain.

    He also noted that the BBC is extremely interested in the heavy transport helicopter Mi-26, in particular, as a tanker for the Army fuels and lubricants.

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    Col. Gen. Zelin said that last week on duty barred second anti-aircraft missile regiment equipped with the latest anti-aircraft missile system S-400 "Triumph". Earlier it was reported that by the end of this year to combat mission will begin and the third part of the military, armed with C-400, but Zelin said that before the deadline for combat duty will take not one but two of the regiment.

    The Commander added that plans to supply these systems "have shifted to the right" through no fault of Defense reasons. "The C-400 has problems with long-range missile. Nevertheless, an understanding of the industry is, and I'm optimistic, "- he said.

    Zelin said the Air Force command insists on building a new plant for production of anti-aircraft missile. "We put that question to the leadership of Concern" Almaz-Antey ", - said Zelin.

    Anti-aircraft missile system S-400 is designed to engage all types of aircraft - aircraft, unmanned aerial vehicles and cruise missiles. The system can work not only in the air, but also in near space, perform the tasks of non-strategic missile defense.

    On the effectiveness of the defeat of the full range of air targets, S-400 "Triumph" is able to replace three systems of type C-300. "Triumph" is intended to replace the S-300 and C-200 and is highly effective in combating new types of targets - aircraft performed using the technology of Stealth, small-sized cruise missiles and ballistic missiles with a range of less than 3, 5 thousand miles, and speed - 4.8 kilometers per second.

    "Triumph" has unique characteristics and has no analogues in the world. It can simultaneously track 300 targets and fire rockets into 36 of them.

    The Commander also said that the operational-strategic command (USC) military and aerospace defense (ASD) will in the near future, six air defense systems, "Armour-S1", recalling that four such complexes have already arrived in the army. "We got to the Air Force anti-aircraft system," Armour ", four armored anti-aircraft missile system near the action," Armour-S1, "they went on air defense missile regiment of the fourth command USC ASD in Novorossiysk," - said Zelin, without specifying when These complexes were obtained.

    Александр Зелин решил создать новую пилотажную группу (Фото: ИТАР-ТАСС)
    Alexander Zelin, decided to create a new aerobatic teams (Photo: ITAR-TASS)

    Speaking about the new developments, the general announced the creation of an air defense system, "Knight": "She at times exceed the stand in the arms of the Russian air defense system S-300. "The Knight" - a further improvement of the S-300 to increase the combat capabilities at times. "

    "In fact, this new system on a single launcher is displayed instead of 4 missiles 16" - added the commander.

    This system, according to the general, can destroy air targets at the same distances and altitudes, and C-300. "The" Vityaz "significantly increased the number of destination channels simultaneously shelled targets, ability to maneuver," - he said. "This system will be equipped with a completely different missile" - concluded Zelin.

    The Commander also spoke about the development of a new air defense missile system "Morpheus." "This is a short-range system with a maximum range of up to 5 km, it is intended to shield military sites, has both active and passive means of warfare" - said Zelin, transfers ITAR-TASS.

    "Morpheus" would destroy everything that moves within a radius of 5 kilometers, "- he said.

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    In the near future, said the commander in chief, in Russia there will be a new aerobatic team, which will fly a combat-training aircraft Yak-130. "Me was made by the Minister of Defense report on the subject, he held it me, we're going," - said Zelin.

    The Commander explained that the creation of light aircraft aerobatic team will extensively use smoke effects used by aerobatic teams from other countries, including France and Italy.

    Currently in Russia there are several aerobatic teams, the most famous of which - "Swifts" flying the MiG-29, and "Russian Knights" on the Su-27.

    On Tuesday, the commander in chief, confirmed that the dissolution of "Swifts" and "Russian Knights" is not planned. "I have not had any such aspirations. Before you destroy something, it is necessary to create something "- said the general. According to him, the two aerobatic teams, "no one tried and tried to abolish."

    Zelin also said that during a recent trip to the U.S., he invited a group of American "Puffin" to show their flying skills in Russia. "I think that in 2012 Russia in the sky they fly - the confirmation I received," - he said.

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    Re: VVS Russian Air Force: News #1

    Post  GarryB on Wed Aug 10, 2011 9:14 am

    With their move to mobile medium and especially light brigades those Mi-26s will become critical in the supply chain such mobile forces will need to operate properly.

    Of course such aircraft would need very strong defences because their speed will not be enough on its own to protect them from enemy interference.

    They will need MANTA DIRCMs and all sorts of other protections to defend against enemy attack.

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    Post  Pervius on Wed Aug 10, 2011 2:57 pm

    They shouldn't try to copy the world and create an Air stunt team.

    It wastes aircraft, people, fuel. Assets better used for defense.

    Unless they can sell enough merchandise to civilian populace to subsidize military.....which they can't.

    The Logistics cost alone to constantly move around an Air Exhibition Team is very costly.


    No mention of Russia's UCAV planes. They look pretty.

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    Post  Vladimir79 on Wed Aug 10, 2011 8:01 pm

    Su-35BM and S-400 development is pretty much stalled.

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    Post  GarryB on Thu Aug 11, 2011 6:25 am

    S-400 can go into service without the 400km range missile.

    That is not such a big deal for the moment.

    An Su-35 going into service without its ESM suite however is a more serious issue, perhaps systems developed for the T-50 can be adapted?

    ESM is expensive and complicated and requires all sorts of tricks and tactics to collect signatures of potential enemy weapons, so that they can be recognised and dealt with appropriately.

    It seems a few potential export customers are keen to get their hands on these aircraft, and I am sure the Russian AF is probably quite keen too.

    Hope they can sort this out.

    Clearly they must be developing a system for the T-50 and the system for the Su-34 might also be useful too.

    Or perhaps the hardware is not sophisticated enough...

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    Post  Austin on Thu Aug 11, 2011 8:41 am

    I think when they form the new aerobatic team with Yak-130 , they can disband the Knights and Strigzi .... they are not really rich to afford two aerobatic team.

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    Post  GarryB on Thu Aug 11, 2011 12:07 pm

    If they help sales I would think more display teams would be a good idea.

    Hinds, Havoks, even turboprop trainers.

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    Post  medo on Thu Aug 11, 2011 7:24 pm

    What bothers me in this article is, that he claim they will get first ten Pantsirs only now. Where are those Pantsirs, which were in parade in 2010 and in 2011? I think all those generals are making too much fog in their talkings.

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    Post  GarryB on Fri Aug 12, 2011 2:02 am

    Perhaps they went to testing units?

    Now they are going to operational units?

    Hard to say.

    Just read an article on the state of Russian air force aircraft and it was not actually that impressive.. here is what I read:

    The Title is Air Force Procurement Plans Part I Fighters:

    A long time ago, I promised some folks a report on the air force's procurement plans for the coming decade. Various other projects pushed that to the back burner, but with MAKS 2011 fast approaching, now seems to be the time to resurrect it. The following is largely based on Anton Lavrov's excellent chapter in the CAST center's "Russia's New Army" report. If you know Russian, I encourage you to go read the original. But if not, here's my summary, with some additions based on developments since the report went to press.

    Long term decay
    The Russian Air Force received virtually no new planes or helicopters between 1995 and 2008. This means that by the start of the Medvedev presidency, even the most modern aircraft were 15-20 years old, while many were approaching 30. This means that not only were the planes physically old, but their designs were outdated when compared to Russia's main military rivals. This means that almost none of them were equipped to use guided weapons. Furthermore, lack of money for maintenance meant that many aircraft were no longer in usable condition. Finally, lack of money for fuel meant that pilots did not receive adequate training to maintain or develop their skills, adding to the air force's overall state of deterioration. These problems were exposed during the 2008 war in Georgia, when six planes were lost in five days. Furthermore, the air force was assessed to be ineffective in combat operations due to a combination of its lack of guided munitions and the pilots' limited training.

    Fighter and Ground Attack Aircraft
    Throughout the post-Soviet period, the Russian air force's combat forces have consisted primarily of five types of aircraft:

    Su-24: The venerable Su-24 attack aircraft was introduced into the Soviet air force in 1974. According to warfare.ru, around 320 of these aircraft are in service in the Russian air force.
    Su-25: close air support plane introduced in 1981. Approximately 200 in service.
    Su-27: fourth generation fighter plane introduced in 1984. Approximately 260 in service.
    MiG-29: fourth generation fighter plane introduced in 1983. Approximately 190 in service.
    MiG-31: interceptor introduced in 1982. Approximately 140 in service.
    These planes will remain the primary combat aircraft in the Russian air force for the next decade. Some types have undergone significant modernization.

    Between 2003 and 2008, 55 Su-27s were modernized to the Su-27SM variant, including the installation of new engines, which has substantially extended their expected lifespan. The modernized aircraft are based at the 6987th and 6989th air bases in the Far East. An additional 12 new Su-27SM3 aircraft were ordered from Sukhoi in 2009. Eight of these have already been delivered and the rest will be received by the end of 2011.

    Relatively few MiG-31s have been modernized to the MiG-31BM version that includes improved avionics and navigation systems and better armament. Recent reports indicate that the defense ministry is preparing a contract to modernize another 30 MiG-31s to the MiG-31BM level.

    Substantial purchases of new combat aircraft began in 2008, after a 15 year gap. Initially, the air force bought 28 MiG-29SMT and 6 MiG-29UBT planes, which had been sold to Algeria but were then rejected by the latter ostensibly due to problems with the planes' quality. Despite these concerns, some analysts consider these aircraft to be highly capable because they are equipped with the most modern electronics and the best weapon systems of any aircraft in the Russian air force. An additional 26 MiG-29K aircraft are expected to be purchased in the next five years.

    They are to be supplanted by the Su-35S fighter planes, 48 of which are to be procured in the next five years together with 4 Su-30M2 two-seater trainers. However, there have been significant delays in the development of the Su-35s. The first plane was made available for flight testing in May 2011, five months behind schedule, and the timetable for subsequent aircraft has likewise been extended. The delays have been caused by limited space for final assembly at the Komsomolsk assembly plant, which is busy assembling Sukhoi Superjets for the civilian market. Analysts expect another 24-48 Su-35s to be purchased in the near future.

    Down the road, the T-50 is seen as the future of Russian fighter jets. This heavy fifth generation fighter is being developed jointly by Sukhoi and India's HAL Corporation. The first test flight was conducted in January 2010. The goal is to procure 60 T-50s in the 2016-2020 time period. It is slated to fully replace the remaining Su-27s in the following decade.

    However, there is no obvious replacement for the MiG-29 light fighter jets. The MiG-35's failure in the recent Indian MMRCA tender has left it with few prospects in either the domestic or export markets. In any case, it is not a next generation aircraft such as the American F-35, but merely an extension of the MiG-29 line.

    The situation is somewhat worse for the modernization of Russia's fighter-bombers. The air force has repeatedly declared that the Su-24 is to be replaced by the Su-34, which began development in the mid-1990s. After the first two aircraft were ordered in 2006, then defense minister Sergei Ivanov stated that 44 would be in service by 2010 and 200 by 2015, at which time all the Su-24s would be retired. However, only 6 Su-34s have actually been transferred to the air force as of the end of 2010, in addition to 5 prototypes that were built prior to 2006. Sukhoi seems to be on track to build 6-8 planes per year, which would allow the company to fulfill the 2008 contract for 32 planes by 2014, only a year or so behind schedule. The Russian press is reporting that contracts for another 80 Su-34s will be signed in the next few months. However, at the current rate of construction, it will still take 25 years to build all 200. Sukhoi would have to gradually double the rate of construction to get them built by 2025.

    Because of the delays with the Su-34s, the air force has decided to modernize the existing Su-24Ms, rather than simply replacing them. An initial 30 planes were modernized to the Su-24M2 level, which features improved navigation and weapons control systems and improved armaments, in 2007-09. Further upgrades may occur in the future.

    The air force has also been modernizing its Su-25 close air support planes. Between 2006 and 2010, a total of 40 aircraft were upgraded to the Su-25SM variant, which has improved avionics. Rather than buying or designing new planes, the air force has decided to extend the lifespan of its existing Su-25s to 40 years, allowing them to remain in service through 2030. In the meantime, the air force has ordered 16 Su-25UBM trainer planes, which will be received in the next 2-3 years.

    However, the experience of the Georgia war has shown that the Su-25 is highly vulnerable to enemy fire, because it is armed with unguided munitions and therefore has to approach within 600 to 800 meters of targets if it is to have any chance of hitting them. As a result, three Su-25s were lost and four damaged during the war. These losses should not have come as a surprise to the Russian military, as it sustained similarly high casualty rates on these planes in Afghanistan back in the 1980s. In a recent article, Ilya Kramnik argues that the solution is to restart building Su-25T (aka Su-39) aircraft, which are similar to the Su-25SMs but were designed to use guided munitions in any weather or light conditions. The Russian air force currently operates no more than six such planes, built in the 1980s and early 2000s.

    Overall, the situation with fighter aircraft seems to be relatively good for the long term. Sukhoi (and to a much lesser extent MiG) is in fairly good shape and can continue to supply the air force with relatively modern planes as long as it continues to receive funding. The joint venture with India's HAL Corporation may help in developing better electronic systems for the long term.


    Personally I disagree with the assessment of the Russian AF. The numbers of Georgian hardware left at the side of the road proves they feared the air force more than they feared the ground forces.

    I do agree that relying on Su-25s with dumb bomb and unguided rocket and cannon fire is going to lead to enormous casualties against a well equipped enemy and that something more sophisticated needs to be developed.

    Perhaps Sukhoi and Mil and Kamov could get together and create a unified air to ground package of sensors and weapons that included communications equipment so that the helicopters and close air support aircraft (and any light UCAVs) could communicate directly and could share the same info.
    Things like self defence suites etc could also be jointly worked on to share costs and increase production potential, so that instead of the Ka-52 needing 100 sets of radars for the 30 odd Army Aviation aircraft and 70 odd Naval aircraft, they could buy 700 sets of radars for the 100 Ka-52s, 300 Mi-28N and Mi-28M aircraft and another 300 for the Su-25TM2s.

    The larger production run should reduce costs, and the commonality of the equipment should make cooperation of the aircraft in the air much easier.

    The lack of speed of new aircraft entering service is disappointing, and could be helped by expanding production capacity a little and also easing the urgency by upgrading more existing types... especially low hours airframes that might have been in storage.

    The most important thing is to make sure maintainence and support keep the new ones in service in good service condition and that they get upgrades too.

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    Re: VVS Russian Air Force: News #1

    Post  Corrosion on Fri Aug 12, 2011 5:13 am

    GarryB wrote:
    Su-24: The venerable Su-24 attack aircraft was introduced into the Soviet air force in 1974. According to warfare.ru, around 320 of these aircraft are in service in the Russian air force.
    Su-25: close air support plane introduced in 1981. Approximately 200 in service.
    Su-27: fourth generation fighter plane introduced in 1984. Approximately 260 in service.
    MiG-29: fourth generation fighter plane introduced in 1983. Approximately 190 in service.
    MiG-31: interceptor introduced in 1982. Approximately 140 in service.

    These are about 1100 in number. It will be a very difficult job to upgrade most of these or replace these 1 for 1. I am sure we will see more quality than quantity in VVS in future.

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