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    Re: VVS Russian Air Force: News #1

    Post  Austin on Sat Mar 17, 2012 7:16 pm

    Well Zelin confirms An-140 is the future light tactical transport aircraft for RuAF.

    An-70 and An-124-100 plus new An-124-300 has the go ahead.

    Transport fleet will include 300 aircraft of all types.


    For any one that reads Russian what does he say about Mig-31 only 100 aircraft of 250 they have now will be upgraded and kept ? Or will they keep 250 but upgrade only 100 to BM standard ?


    I hope they build single engine 5th gen fighter.

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    Re: VVS Russian Air Force: News #1

    Post  GarryB on Sun Mar 18, 2012 1:20 am

    The An-140 will largely replace smaller aircraft in Russian service like the An-26 and An-32 and probably An-72.

    They are for short range light payload jobs.

    The MTA will replace the An-12 in the longer range heavier payload role...

    With a payload of 20 tons the MTA should be able to carry any vehicle in a light Brigade, but will be just too light to carry any vehicle in a medium brigade (which will likely be in the 25-30 ton weight range. The heavy brigade will be up to 60 tons so the Il-476 should be able to carry these and the An-124 could carry up to 3 vehicles of the heavy, 5 vehicles of the medium and perhaps 12-14 light brigade vehicles.

    It looks like the Mig-31 will be kept in service till at least 2020 and 100 will be upgraded, presumably with the remainder retired and used for parts... though the guts will be different.

    Shame the interviewer didn't ask about the Mig-29 and Mig-35... even if the Mig-35 was too expensive then a couple of Mig-29M2s along with the orders for the Navy Mig-29K2s would be useful, as well as a few more SMT upgrades of late model Mig-29s.

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    Re: VVS Russian Air Force: News #1

    Post  GarryB on Sun Mar 18, 2012 2:05 am

    I hope they build single engine 5th gen fighter.

    Well I personally hope that they adopt the PAK FA to handle the Flanker role, the Su-34 can take the heavy strike and jammer role, they need a large heavy interceptor to replace the Mig-31 when it finally pops its clogs... as a country the size of Russia needs a dedicated interceptor fighter, and a lighter cheaper numbers stealth fighter makes sense too in my opinion. It doesn't need long range or high speed, though the ability to carry AAMs externally even if conformally would be useful when extreme stealth is not so important (ie chasing down cruise missiles).

    Round that off with a new attack helo and a new CAS aircraft and a new strategic bomber and in terms of combat aircraft they should be right.... Smile

    There of course can be a lot of sharing of technology and equipment and systems so each program should not be started from scratch.

    Eventually the role of short range light strike can be handled by the new CAS fighter, and the long range heavy strike can be more than tackled by the PAK DA, so the Su-34 will be useful but wont need to operate forever.

    The Pak DA could also be used as the basis for a heavy long range interceptor... personally I would like to see it in the form of a flying wing with a tail structure to allow supersonic flight, with the primary goal of achieving very high speed flight in supercruise mode. Something like mach 1.8 or so would be ideal and would be useful for a civilian airliner version (non stealthy of course) and a less stealthy interceptor model.

    The flying wing design would offer the unique opportunity to use the entire leading edge of the wing as a radar antenna array and of course its belly could be covered in long range AAMs of a wide range of types as for an interceptor stealth is not strictly critical so the entire internal volume could be used for fuel... this could allow an enormous flight range with missions measured in days instead of hours...

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    Russian Military to Use Civilian Planes

    Post  Russian Patriot on Tue Apr 03, 2012 6:09 pm

    Russian Military to Use Civilian Planes

    RIA Novosti

    16:31 02/04/2012 MOSCOW, April 2 (RIA Novosti) - Russia's military-transport aviation will use civilian An-124 Ruslan Condor heavy-lift transport aircraft owned by large carriers, Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin said on Monday.

    “Orders will be placed for dozens of aircraft - 60-70 Ruslans,” he said.

    It was not immediately clear whether the military will pay for the use of cargo aircraft or simply commandeer them in the interest of “national defense.”

    “If necessary, these machines can also work for the benefit of Russia’s security,” Rogozin said without elaborating.

    In the future at least 10 Ruslans will be built for the Armed Forces by 2020, Rogozin said.

    The An-124, developed by the Antonov Design Bureau in 1982, has a maximum payload of 150 metric tons with a flight range of around 3,000 kilometers (1,864 miles).

    The cargo jet is the world's third largest after the An-225 and the Airbus A380.

    http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/russia/2012/russia-120402-rianovosti03.htm

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    Re: VVS Russian Air Force: News #1

    Post  GarryB on Wed Apr 04, 2012 2:33 am

    The cargo jet is the world's third largest after the An-225 and the Airbus A380.

    Well... the 225 is a one off aircraft that is not currently operational... so if you are going to count it you might as well also count the Huges Spruce Goose.

    The new model An-124 has greater payload capacity than the A380 and in the context of military transport the An-124 is far superior because it has front and rear ramp entry/exit so it can carry military vehicles in a roll on roll off capacity.

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    Re: VVS Russian Air Force: News #1

    Post  Kysusha on Wed Apr 04, 2012 9:30 am

    No GaryB, The Spruce Goose had limited range!!!! Not a fair comparison.

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    Re: VVS Russian Air Force: News #1

    Post  Firebird on Wed Apr 04, 2012 3:15 pm

    The Antonov is a fantastic piece of engineering. I wonder if they've thought of doing a "stretch" version for cargo.
    And a passenger version to challenge the Airbus A380.

    I always thought Russia would stride ahead faster in conversion to civillian uses. Maybe this will change now Russia is part of the WTO?

    And I think it makes sense to commandeer off civilian airlines in times of need.Means more money for other things.

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    Re: VVS Russian Air Force: News #1

    Post  TheArmenian on Wed Apr 04, 2012 4:58 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    The cargo jet is the world's third largest after the An-225 and the Airbus A380.

    Well... the 225 is a one off aircraft that is not currently operational... so if you are going to count it you might as well also count the Huges Spruce Goose.


    The one only AN-225 is an operational aircraft. It came at least twice to Armenia over the 2 years bringing oversize items.

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    Re: VVS Russian Air Force: News #1

    Post  GarryB on Wed Apr 04, 2012 11:49 pm

    The one only AN-225 is an operational aircraft. It came at least twice to Armenia over the 2 years bringing oversize items.

    There was talk of building a second one, but at the time they weren't even using the original.

    Perhaps now that they are using the original a second aircraft might be built?

    The Antonov is a fantastic piece of engineering. I wonder if they've thought of doing a "stretch" version for cargo.
    And a passenger version to challenge the Airbus A380.

    It wouldn't need a stretch... the original An-124 was cleared for 120 tons payload, but the current production model is cleared for 150 tons... which works out at about 200kgs more than the A380 is cleared for, with the advantage of nose and tail access and the ability to carry vehicles and aircraft.

    I always thought Russia would stride ahead faster in conversion to civillian uses. Maybe this will change now Russia is part of the WTO?

    The problem is that Russian civilian aircraft sales suffered badly and cheaper western planes were often bought instead. The bubbles of air travel growth were few and far between and really wouldn't justify the 600 plus people an An-124 could carry... think of the queues just to get on or off?

    There is a significant market for budget fares, but you would have to sell a lot of tickets before you could charge budget fares on a converted An-124.

    And I think it makes sense to commandeer off civilian airlines in times of need.Means more money for other things.

    In many ways it is a huge gamble. Civilian aircraft will not have the right communications equipment or any self defence equipment... electronic or otherwise.

    If you want to commandeer the aircraft where does the crew come from to fly it into combat?

    You save a fortune on purchase and operational costs, but when you commandeer it you need to pay compensation to the company that owns it and the client it was working for at the time, and I rather expect if you break it you will have to buy them a new one so insurance will be tough to get...

    It also means you don't have the aircraft for normal operations and exercises...

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    Re: VVS Russian Air Force: News #1

    Post  Kysusha on Thu Apr 05, 2012 12:15 am

    If you want to commandeer the aircraft where does the crew come from to fly it into combat?


    Bit like the Merchant Marine, isn’t it Gary? Crews are “taken on” as auxiliaries. Isn’t there an “Opt out” clause?”

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    VVS News + Photos

    Post  TR1 on Fri Apr 27, 2012 10:29 pm

    I think we need a general thread in the forum, so here it goes, like the ground forces + exports one.

    http://lenta.ru/news/2012/04/27/zelin/

    Zelin fired!

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    Re: VVS Russian Air Force: News #1

    Post  TR1 on Fri Apr 27, 2012 10:48 pm

    http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?99988-Russian-Photos-%28updated-on-regular-basis%29&p=6147954&viewfull=1#post6147954

    Bunch of photos from TOrzhok, too lazy to repost, you guys can navigate it I am sure, but isn't that Vympel rapelling from the Mi-8?

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    Re: VVS Russian Air Force: News #1

    Post  Russian Patriot on Sat Apr 28, 2012 2:55 am

    Russian President Dmitry Medvedev has sacked Russian Air Force Commander, Colonel-General Alexander Zelin and dismissed him from military service, the Kremlin said on Friday.

    Zelin, 59, has occupied the top military post for five years, during which the air force has begun to receive new aircraft and equipment in significant numbers for the first time since the end of the Soviet Union.

    “To the observer Zelin appeared to preside over a period where air force procurement and plans became more planted in reality than merely in aspirations,” said Douglas Barrie, an air warfare analyst at the London-based International Institute of Strategic Studies.

    No reason was given for the dismissal but senior military commanders in Russia usually retire at age 60.

    Igor Korotchenko, chairman of Defense Ministry’s Public Council said that the reshuffle was a normal practice for military officials.

    “Medevedev’s move will give the road to new, younger military specialists,” Korotchenko said, adding an experienced commander Zelin would likely move on to a top post in a defense industrial holding or corporation.

    http://www.en.ria.ru/mlitary_news/20120427/173084185.html



    Former Air Force Commander Col.-Gen. Alexander Zelin will take up the post of an adviser to the Russian defense minister on the development of the Air Force, the Defense Ministry reported on Friday.

    “Colonel-General Alexander Zelin voluntarily resigned due to a transfer to civil service in the capacity of an aide (adviser) to the defense minister of the Russian Federation,” the ministry said.

    Russian President Dmitry Medvedev on Friday dismissed Zelin from the post of Air Force Commander and from military service.

    Zelin, 59, occupied the top military post for five years, during which the Air Force began to receive new aircraft and equipment in significant numbers for the first time since the end of the Soviet Union.

    “To the observer Zelin appeared to preside over a period where air force procurement and plans became more planted in reality than merely in aspirations,” said Douglas Barrie, an air warfare analyst at the London-based International Institute of Strategic Studies.

    Senior military commanders in Russia usually retire at age 60.

    Igor Korotchenko, chairman of Defense Ministry’s Public Council said that the reshuffle was a normal practice for military officials.

    “Medvedev’s move will give the road to new, younger military specialists,” Korotchenko said, adding experienced commander Zelin would likely move on to a top post in a defense industrial holding or corporation.

    http://www.en.ria.ru/mlitary_news/20120427/173099987.html

    I find the bold part hard to believe...

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    Re: VVS Russian Air Force: News #1

    Post  GarryB on Sat Apr 28, 2012 11:05 am

    The mention of freeing up the position for younger men suggests to me that he was resisting change and got pushed....

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    Re: VVS Russian Air Force: News #1

    Post  TR1 on Mon Apr 30, 2012 4:59 am

    http://russianplanes.net/ID74940

    WOW!
    What a photo!

    All 3 of the new attack helos in the VVS, the Mi-28N, Ka-52 and Mi-24BM, in the air, in the new camo.

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    Re: VVS Russian Air Force: News #1

    Post  Mr.Kalishnikov47 on Mon Apr 30, 2012 5:24 am

    TR1 wrote:http://russianplanes.net/ID74940

    WOW!
    What a photo!

    All 3 of the new attack helos in the VVS, the Mi-28N, Ka-52 and Mi-24BM, in the air, in the new camo.

    I have to say the hinds look great in the new camo.

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    Re: VVS Russian Air Force: News #1

    Post  GarryB on Mon Apr 30, 2012 8:48 am

    Nice.

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    Re: VVS Russian Air Force: News #1

    Post  medo on Mon Apr 30, 2012 12:32 pm

    Excellent, nice mix of new helicopters.

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    Re: VVS Russian Air Force: News #1

    Post  George1 on Fri May 04, 2012 9:51 am

    http://www.rus-helicopters.ru/en/

    Russian Helicopters site much better than UAC's

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    Re: VVS Russian Air Force: News #1

    Post  George1 on Sat May 05, 2012 11:22 am

    Russian Plans New Aerospace University

    Russia is planning a new aerospace university to produce a new generation of professionals for the aviation and space industries, Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin said on Saturday.

    "We have plans connected with the creation of a modern aerospace university, where we will produce a broad range of specialists, for aviation, and also the rocket and space industries," he said during a visit to the Khrunichev rocket factory north of Moscow.

    Rogozin invited specialists from the center to "join the team" for a visit to the Zhukovsky flight research airfield on May 18, where the plan will be discussed.

    http://en.rian.ru/russia/20120505/173241883.html

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    Re: VVS Russian Air Force: News #1

    Post  George1 on Sun May 06, 2012 9:00 am

    The Fullback with two incendiary tanks ZB-500ShM.


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    Post  George1 on Sun May 06, 2012 9:04 am




    Under the cockpit, photo equipment?

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    Re: VVS Russian Air Force: News #1

    Post  TR1 on Sun May 06, 2012 9:31 pm

    No, IRST. Retractable.


    http://uploads.ru/i/a/d/V/adVXG.jpg

    Nice pic of 4 Ansat-Us, handed over earlier this year, in grey.

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    Re: VVS Russian Air Force: News #1

    Post  George1 on Sun May 06, 2012 9:52 pm

    TR1 wrote:No, IRST. Retractable.


    http://uploads.ru/i/a/d/V/adVXG.jpg

    Nice pic of 4 Ansat-Us, handed over earlier this year, in grey.

    Νice helos. Why russian air force must buy french utility helicopters. Ansat can do this job

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    Re: VVS Russian Air Force: News #1

    Post  GarryB on Mon May 07, 2012 9:07 am

    The excuse usually given is that they need them for Sochi in 2014 and the Russian models can't be built and cleared for service in time...

    I think if they put the money up the Russian helos would be ready and do a better job too.

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