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    Viktor

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    Re: Russian arms sales to Latin America

    Post  Viktor on Thu Oct 10, 2013 5:09 pm

    I wonder if new arms contracts with Venezuela are in pipeline? We havent heard from that big spender for quite a while.

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    Re: Russian arms sales to Latin America

    Post  a89 on Mon Oct 14, 2013 10:36 pm

    Defensa.com has published a note with data on T-90 trials. I assume journalist made a typo and trials took place 17-19 september, not 17-19 october... I have translted some points.

    - First day it was really foggy and rainy. 1G46 could only operate to 300-350 meters. By using the thermal sight, shots were fired at targets 2.000-2.500 meters away.
    - The next 2 days climate conditions were optimal and gunnery tests were performed. T-90S fired on the move and statically. 38 125mm rounds were fired. 16 BM17, 12 BK16 and 10 OF36. Distance was 1.600-3.000 meters. The sucess rate was 94.7%.

    - PKMT and Kord machine guns were also tested by firing 600 rounds. The success rate was 75%. AT-11 Sniper missiles were fired at targets 3.000-5.000 meters away with 100% success rate.

    - A mobility test was carried out by running a circuit with ditches, hills and other natural obstacles. Distance was 130kms and "angles" were 25°-30° (does not specify which). It was raced in a 1.5km circuit against a T-55. The latter had a 100 meter advantage but T-90S overtook it. Finally, a T-55 driver was given a 15 minute training on T-90 and run through a circuit without problems.

    http://www.defensa.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=10414:-buenos-resultados-de-las-pruebas-operacionales-y-de-tiro-en-peru-del-tanque-ruso-t-90s&catid=55:latinoamerica&Itemid=163
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    Re: Russian arms sales to Latin America

    Post  GarryB on Tue Oct 15, 2013 5:30 am

    Sounds like a good tank to me...

    A lot of people get fixated on frontal armour or penetration performance of this or that ammo, but a tank is rather more than the thickness of its frontal armour or the penetration performance of its gun.
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    Re: Russian arms sales to Latin America

    Post  TR1 on Tue Oct 15, 2013 6:11 am

    a89 wrote:Defensa.com has published a note with data on T-90 trials. I assume journalist made a typo and trials took place 17-19 september, not 17-19 october... I have translted some points.

    - First day it was really foggy and rainy. 1G46 could only operate to 300-350 meters. By using the thermal sight, shots were fired at targets 2.000-2.500 meters away.
    - The next 2 days climate conditions were optimal and gunnery tests were performed. T-90S fired on the move and statically. 38 125mm rounds were fired. 16 BM17, 12 BK16 and 10 OF36. Distance was 1.600-3.000 meters. The sucess rate was 94.7%.

    - PKMT and Kord machine guns were also tested by firing 600 rounds. The success rate was 75%. AT-11 Sniper missiles were fired at targets 3.000-5.000 meters away with 100% success rate.

    - A mobility test was carried out by running a circuit with ditches, hills and other natural obstacles. Distance was 130kms and "angles" were 25°-30° (does not specify which). It was raced in a 1.5km circuit against a T-55. The latter had a 100 meter advantage but T-90S overtook it. Finally, a T-55 driver was given a 15 minute training on T-90 and run through a circuit without problems.

    http://www.defensa.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=10414:-buenos-resultados-de-las-pruebas-operacionales-y-de-tiro-en-peru-del-tanque-ruso-t-90s&catid=55:latinoamerica&Itemid=163
    Great find, thank you Alejandro!
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    Re: Russian arms sales to Latin America

    Post  Viktor on Tue Oct 15, 2013 2:25 pm

    Gur Khan attacks! reports from the same source as "a89"


    The T-90S tanks in Peru hit the target with almost 100% efficiency






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    Re: Russian arms sales to Latin America

    Post  a89 on Thu Oct 17, 2013 10:12 am

    Great find, thank you Alejandro!
    No problem!

    Russia Offers Peru Helicopter Maintenance Center
    I think there is one already in Venezuela. In any case it would be an advantage, as Russian helicopters have been acquired by several countries in the region.
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    Russia offers Chile license for localization of production of weapons systems...

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Thu Mar 27, 2014 12:06 am

    Russia offers Chile localize production of weapons in the country

    "We are in talks on a wide range of weapons and civilian products - from small to Be-200, MS-21, SuperJet-100", - said the director FSMTC Fomin eve of the opening of the exhibition in Santiago weapons FIDAE.

    MOSCOW, March 25 - RIA Novosti. Chile Russia offers the entire spectrum of weapons and military equipment, including the possibility of localization of production in this country, told RIA Novosti FSMTC director Alexander Fomin.
    "We are in talks on a wide range of weapons and civilian products - from small to Be-200, MS-21, SuperJet-100" - said on the eve of the opening Fomin weapons exhibition in Santiago FIDAE.
    However, he stressed that Chile has traditionally buys weapons from Western manufacturers, primarily in the United States.
    "However, we are trying to overcome this tendency by such qualities of Russian weapons, reliability, ease of use, price-quality ratio," - said the director FSMTC.
    Furthermore, Russia offers not only ready samples of products, but also a license to manufacture these weapons in the country.
    "We offer our Chilean partners to localize production in the country, that is certainly a very beneficial aspect of our future contracts," - said Fomin.
    Chile's reaction to these proposals have not yet been reported.

    http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20140325/1000890145.html#ixzz2x73v7eD8
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    Russia Uruguay arms deals

    Post  Viktor on Fri Apr 11, 2014 7:05 pm

    Nice  thumbsup 

    Uruguay analyzes options for eventual purchase of the aircraft Yak-130
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    Re: Russian arms sales to Latin America

    Post  George1 on Mon Jul 21, 2014 3:02 pm

    Mexico to upgrade its Mi-17 helicopters
    Russian Aviaton » Monday July 21, 2014 10:38 MSK

    Russian Helicopters Holding Company will upgrade the multi-role Mi-17 helicopters operated by the air forces of Mexico, Lenta.ru reports with reference to sources close to the enterprise. According to the sources, at least 9 vehicles of the type were delivered to Russia by two An-124-100 transport aircraft during the period from mid-June to early July 2014. The first upgraded Mi-17 will be delivered to Mexico in 2015.

    No details related to work carried out in the network of this contract have been unveiled. In May 2014 Mexican air forces stated that their fleet comprises 19 multi-role Mi-17 helicopters and two Mi-8Ts. Presumably, all the vehicles to be overhauled will be upgraded by Russian enterprises.

    Most likely that the contract for upgrading the helicopters was signed in December 2013, when the Mexican Ministry of Defense purchased 14 new Mi-17 helicopters (manufactured by Russian Helicopters) worth $284.8 million. The new helicopters will be delivered to National Forestry Commission of Mexico; the vehicles will be used for fire-fighting. These helicopters will be piloted by the pilots of Mexican air forces.

    Initially Mexican air forces operated 24 Mi-17 helicopters purchased in two batches (each one included 12 vehicles of the type) in 1996 and 1998. The deliveries were completed in 1999. The same year Mexico purchased 12 used Mi-8T helicopters; later most of them were replaced by new multi-role EC725 Caracal helicopters.

    The purchase of new helicopters and upgrade of the currently operated vehicles are carried out by the Mexican Ministry of Defense in the network of a national program aimed at expanding the combat capabilities of Mexican air forces. The program will be implemented during 2013-2018 period; under this document the number of helicopters operated by the country’s air forces will be increased from 47 to 138 ones. So far the Mexican air forces have placed an order for 18 UH-60M Black Hawk (USA) and six AW109SP (Italy) helicopters.

    Mexico plans to purchase 53 more new helicopters by 2018, however, the type of these vehicles has not been unveiled.
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    Russia - Argentina military contracts

    Post  Viktor on Tue Dec 02, 2014 8:13 pm

    Slowly but surely the one and only solution for Argentina is revealing itself Laughing Laughing Laughing

    2014Argentina may buy Russian fighter jets
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    Re: Russian arms sales to Latin America

    Post  GarryB on Wed Dec 03, 2014 9:28 am

    Remember before the Ukraine BS that the UK was talking about closer relations with Russia and even talking about small arms cooperation... well that is dead now of course.

    I wonder what they will think about a few Su-30MKIs flying in Argentine air space... or perhaps even an Su-35...  Smile

    Of course now that I have read the article any purchase of Russian aircraft is pure speculation on the part of the authors of the article and by the look of it they would be interested in bargain basement planes so we are talking about MiG-29SMT or Su-27SM3 or something similar.

    Of course these are still very potent aircraft and with the right weapons would be very capable.
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    Re: Russian arms sales to Latin America

    Post  medo on Wed Dec 03, 2014 8:41 pm

    I think Su-30MK2 could be the best option for Argentina. Su-30MKI with TVC engines could be too expensive for them. Other option is MiG-29M2 or MiG-35, but they will receive Su-30 faster than MiGs.
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    Re: Russian arms sales to Latin America

    Post  Viktor on Fri Jan 16, 2015 9:18 pm

    Nice Very Happy

    Rossi: Argentina is considering the purchase of helicopters in Russia
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    Re: Russian arms sales to Latin America

    Post  Kyo on Sat Jan 17, 2015 8:25 pm

    Russia may supply Su-24 aircraft on a lease basis
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    Re: Russian arms sales to Latin America

    Post  GarryB on Sun Jan 18, 2015 10:23 am

    The upgraded Su-24 is still a very capable aircraft and can carry a range of weapons.

    The Argentine Air Force was very capable of hitting British ships with a range of weapons including dumb bombs and Exocet anti ship missiles.

    The Su-24 would offer a range of guided missiles and guided bombs that would make the job much easier and the effect much more dire for the British.

    Even just a new model Kh-31 anti ship missile with a range of 240km at mach 3 would be a whole different threat for any British Task Force.

    I suspect the leasing deal could simply be a ploy by the Russians to get cheap food, for the Argentines to get experience in a more modern air craft, and of course for both sides to increase the cost for Britain to hold the Falklands.

    After a few years experience with Su-24s they could look at Su-30s or other options... like MiG-29M2s... that would not be too expensive, yet would offer serious capability that four Eurofighters would simply be insufficient for.
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    Re: Russian arms sales to Latin America

    Post  Kyo on Sun Jan 18, 2015 9:40 pm

    An arrangement of Su-24 plus Kh-31 should make Argentine reign over the South Atlantic area, something its ally Brazil should have realized had it incorporated the Su-35 in its fighter tender. But it didn't, thus falling short of being considered a burlesque banana republic.
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    Re: Russian arms sales to Latin America

    Post  George1 on Sun Jan 18, 2015 9:53 pm

    Kyo wrote:An arrangement of Su-24 plus Kh-31 should make Argentine reign over the South Atlantic area, something its ally Brazil should have realized had it incorporated the Su-35 in its fighter tender. But it didn't, thus falling short of being considered a burlesque banana republic.

    i think that in this economic situation, even su-24s are not affordable for Argentina
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    Re: Russian arms sales to Latin America

    Post  Viktor on Sun Jan 18, 2015 9:55 pm

    George1 wrote:i think that in this economic situation, even su-24s are not affordable for Argentina

    Keep in mind that payment may come in many forms.
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    Re: Russian arms sales to Latin America

    Post  Kyo on Sun Jan 18, 2015 10:44 pm

    i think that in this economic situation, even su-24s are not affordable for Argentina
    It could be on an exchange of goods (food for weapons) basis, using local currencies and therefore by-passing the use of US$ and Euro. This mechanism is being implemented by Russia/China in their trade agreements.
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    Re: Russian arms sales to Latin America

    Post  GarryB on Mon Jan 19, 2015 8:49 am

    Keep in mind that the EU has already threatened countries not to trade with Russia and take up "their" contracts while Russia is banning imports from the countries that are putting them under sanction.

    What I think the EU and NATO might not realise that these alternative sources Russia is exploring are likely permanent new trade relations and if they can get these links up and running properly they might not go back to buying from the economic trade block called the EU.

    Such realisation might be a harder pill to swallow than Su-24s in Argentina.

    Leasing today could mean gifted aircraft in the future as they are withdrawn from Russian AF service...

    They might do the same with Iran to encourage a future upgrade, perhaps to a modified Su-30M or a cheaper simpler model of the Su-34... perhaps with interceptor versions also developed which would be useful to both countries.
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    Re: Russian arms sales to Latin America

    Post  George1 on Tue Apr 14, 2015 2:20 pm

    Russia seeks to strengthen positions on Latin American arms markets

    Russia’s chief arms exporter will hold talks with representatives of Argentina, Brazil, Colombia, Peru, Uruguay, Chile, Equator, China and South Africa

    RIO DE JANEIRO, April 14. /TASS/. Russia seeks to strengthen its positions on the arms market of Latin America, with talks with delegations from seven Latin American countries expected at LAAD 2015 Defense and Security International Exhibition opening in Brazil on Tuesday.

    "Our specialists will hold negotiations with high-ranking delegations from Argentina, Brazil, Colombia, Peru, Uruguay, Chile, Equator, China and South Africa," said the head of the delegation of Russia’s chief arms exporter Rosoboronexport.

    "In particular, we will discuss with Brazilian partners licensed production, joint R&D work, creation of new samples of arms and military hardware, including for supplies to third countries," said Sergei Ladygin, Rosoboronexport’s deputy director general.

    According to the Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation, 17 Russian enterprises will present their military products at the exhibition. All in all, visitors and specialists will be able to see almost 670 Russian military products presented as models, mockups and other promotional materials.
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    Re: Russian arms sales to Latin America

    Post  George1 on Fri Apr 17, 2015 3:54 pm

    Argentina to Continue Purchasing Russian Mi-171 to Fly to Antarctica

    Argentina has repeatedly spoken in favor of a new contract for the supply of Russian helicopters.

    The holding ‘Russian Helicopters’ expects to sign new contracts with Argentina in the coming year.

    Already, Argentina has purchased two Mi-171 helicopters to fly to Antarctica.

    "We look forward to strengthening the negotiating process for the purchase of the Russian helicopters, following the visit of the head of state of Argentina to Moscow,” said the deputy head of the holding Alexander Scherbinin.

    According to him, the Argentinian side has repeatedly spoken in favor of a new contract for the supply of Russian helicopters, as the “experience of their operation in Antarctica confirmed their excellent performance."

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/latam/20150417/1021023967.html#ixzz3XZfyWZdX
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    Re: Russian arms sales to Latin America

    Post  Viktor on Sat Apr 25, 2015 2:25 am

    Apparently, Argentina is interested at Yak-130, Pancir-S1 and S-300

    Tula "armor" interested in Argentina
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    Re: Russian arms sales to Latin America

    Post  Cyberspec on Sat Apr 25, 2015 2:46 am

    Can they afford all that?


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    Re: Russian arms sales to Latin America

    Post  xeno on Sat Apr 25, 2015 3:22 am

    Of course they cannot, but Russia will loan them just like these agreements made these two days, Russia will invest etc..., actually the real question is can Russia afford these (all these economic agrees need Russian investment)?

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