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    Atakor

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    Re: Russian arms sales to Middle East & North Africa

    Post  Atakor on Mon Aug 24, 2015 1:41 pm

    The Moroccan press (which is far from being reliable) has been talking about a submarine procurement for years now. One year it is a type 209, the next one it is an Amur 1650 and so on. Yet there are several problems concerning this acquisition. The first is the budget; then the submarine itself.

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    Re: Russian arms sales to Middle East & North Africa

    Post  Hachimoto on Mon Aug 24, 2015 5:30 pm

    Black-Swan wrote:
    Hachimoto wrote:
    Black-Swan wrote:
    Viktor wrote:Nice  thumbsup

    Moroccan king set to seal submarine deal during Moscow visit
    Hi friends, for Morocco navy subs, friend Russian source, no contract with Morocco. Cool

    Your Russian friend is named Putin right?
    Very funny, no my russian friend work in shipyard Severnaya Verf, St-Pertersbourg. Wink
    I am not jealous because Morocan Navy buy russian submarine, I give just a information for the forum, sorry. respekt

    Sorry but if such an information can be brought by a worker in a shipyard ... then russia is a fucked up country and i doubt it Smile
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    Re: Russian arms sales to Middle East & North Africa

    Post  Black-Swan on Mon Aug 24, 2015 6:13 pm

    Hachimoto wrote:
    Black-Swan wrote:
    Hachimoto wrote:
    Black-Swan wrote:
    Viktor wrote:Nice  thumbsup

    Moroccan king set to seal submarine deal during Moscow visit
    Hi friends, for Morocco navy subs, friend Russian source, no contract with Morocco. Cool

    Your Russian friend is named Putin right?
    Very funny, no my russian friend work in shipyard Severnaya Verf, St-Pertersbourg. Wink
    I am not jealous because Morocan Navy buy russian submarine, I give just a information for the forum, sorry. respekt

    Sorry but if such an information can be brought by a worker in a shipyard ... then russia is a fucked up country and i doubt it Smile

    It´s not a secret defense information and Russia in a great country. russia
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    Re: Russian arms sales to Middle East & North Africa

    Post  Black-Swan on Mon Aug 24, 2015 6:33 pm

    Atakor wrote:The Moroccan press (which is far from being reliable) has been talking about a submarine procurement for years now. One year it is a type 209, the next one it is an Amur 1650 and so on. Yet there are several problems concerning this acquisition. The first is the budget; then the submarine itself.
    Saudis can finance this purchase, Morocco has the support of American and european.
    It is true that Algeria will soon be six submarine so I think American and nato want rebalance power balance. I think the Moroccans want to buy submarines, but that the russian ? I think that the market would not be good for Algeria, for Russia too. In any case it is certain Algerians would be disappointed by this deal between a friend and an enemy.



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    Re: Russian arms sales to Middle East & North Africa

    Post  Hachimoto on Mon Aug 24, 2015 8:32 pm

    Black-Swan wrote:
    Atakor wrote:The Moroccan press (which is far from being reliable) has been talking about a submarine procurement for years now. One year it is a type 209, the next one it is an Amur 1650 and so on. Yet there are several problems concerning this acquisition. The first is the budget; then the submarine itself.
    Saudis can finance this purchase, Morocco has the support of American and european.
    It is true that Algeria will soon be six submarine so I think American and nato want rebalance power balance. I think the Moroccans want to buy submarines, but that the russian ? I think that the market would not be good for Algeria, for Russia too. In any case it is certain Algerians would be disappointed by this deal between a friend and an enemy.



    An ennemy ? what ennemy are you refering ? didn't get enough from loosing each war since 60's ? just get your men trained and control your own country before looking outside. take it as an advice.

    The first rule in any respectable forum is not to bring news such as ' a friend of my sister told the nephew of my oncle ....' otherwise it will be turned to a trashy blog.

    sorry mod [/endOT]
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    Re: Russian arms sales to Middle East & North Africa

    Post  mack8 on Mon Aug 24, 2015 8:44 pm

    Hachimoto wrote:...control your own country before looking outside. take it as an advice...

    Perhaps you should also follow your own advice friend. Last i know Morrocco is a royal dictatorship under the US boot and supporting jihadist scumbags throughout the Middle East and Africa alongside the filthy KSA, GCC etc.

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    Re: Russian arms sales to Middle East & North Africa

    Post  Atakor on Mon Aug 24, 2015 10:37 pm

    Hachimoto wrote:
    Black-Swan wrote:
    Atakor wrote:The Moroccan press (which is far from being reliable) has been talking about a submarine procurement for years now. One year it is a type 209, the next one it is an Amur 1650 and so on. Yet there are several problems concerning this acquisition. The first is the budget; then the submarine itself.
    Saudis can finance this purchase, Morocco has the support of American and european.
    It is true that Algeria will soon be six submarine so I think American and nato want rebalance power balance. I think the Moroccans want to buy submarines, but that the russian ? I think that the market would not be good for Algeria, for Russia too. In any case it is certain Algerians would be disappointed by this deal between a friend and an enemy.



    An ennemy ? what ennemy are you refering ? didn't get enough from loosing each war since 60's ? just get your men trained and control your own country before looking outside. take it as an advice.

    The first rule in any respectable forum is not to bring news such as ' a friend of my sister told the nephew of my oncle ....' otherwise it will be turned to a trashy blog.

    sorry mod [/endOT]

    Typical makhzeni propaganda Razz Perhaps you should look at a map of your country and realize how bad is its general situation before being disrespectful to your neighbors and twisting history in your favor.
    For the rest, mack8 said it all.

    Black-Swan: I don't think the Saudis will pay for them, since they also have to pay for the Egyptian army, and their own "army" clown. The Moroccan army is far from being a priority. As I said before, Moroccan newspaper are the origin of this rumor about a submarine, and they have been talking about them for years, without any sign of real, concrete contract. This one could be different, but I don't think so. Their Fremm and Sigmas do not even have ASW helicopters yet, (and they have been delivered a long time ago) and they want to buy a submarine !? Doesn't make any sense ! The articles also mentioned the buying of 4 russian ASW helicopters, aka Kamov, which are irrelevant since Moroccan ships aren't made for these machines. So we can see the cracks of this narrative.

    Btw, we shall see, but for me, it is nothing more than a wet dream.

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    Re: Russian arms sales to Middle East & North Africa

    Post  Hachimoto on Fri Sep 11, 2015 4:30 pm



    Morocco, Myanmar to Buy Some 60 Russian BMP-3 Infantry Fighting Vehicles


    http://sputniknews.com/military/20150911/1026867729.html

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    Re: Russian arms sales to Middle East & North Africa

    Post  George1 on Tue Sep 15, 2015 1:56 am

    Which country? Maybe Syria??

    Russian T-90MS tank completes test cycle in Arab country — manufacturer


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    Re: Russian arms sales to Middle East & North Africa

    Post  Mike E on Tue Sep 15, 2015 3:17 am

    George1 wrote:Which country? Maybe Syria??

    Russian T-90MS tank completes test cycle in Arab country — manufacturer
    Could be Pakistan, given that they were to test a T-90MS. Probably would have heard about it though.
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    Re: Russian arms sales to Middle East & North Africa

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Tue Sep 15, 2015 7:20 am

    Mike E wrote:
    George1 wrote:Which country? Maybe Syria??

    Russian T-90MS tank completes test cycle in Arab country — manufacturer
    Could be Pakistan, given that they were to test a T-90MS. Probably would have heard about it though.

    Since when was Pakistan an Arab country??? I'm putting money on either Egypt or Algeria.

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    Re: Russian arms sales to Middle East & North Africa

    Post  xeno on Tue Sep 15, 2015 7:45 am

    Yes, it is Pakistan. Mike is right, you needn't doubt that.
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    Re: Russian arms sales to Middle East & North Africa

    Post  Mike E on Tue Sep 15, 2015 7:49 am

    Egypt is knee-deep in the M1A1 and seems to be more interested in Armata; long term of course. It can't be them.

    Algeria has more T-90S on order, and an immediate purchase of the MS is possible, if unlikely.

    Pakistan has both expressed interest in the MS, and was originally going to test it. It makes the most sense it is them.

    It isn't an Arab country, technically, but we are talking journalism here.

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    Re: Russian arms sales to Middle East & North Africa

    Post  Atakor on Tue Sep 15, 2015 9:54 am

    I believe the tests were held in Koweit.

    I'm sure we'll be a client of the MS version, at least as an upgrade. Our officers have been interested in it for a while. There's a shitload of articles and pics a bout that.
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    Re: Russian arms sales to Middle East & North Africa

    Post  Werewolf on Tue Sep 15, 2015 10:13 am

    Wasn't also Marocco interested in T-90MS?

    Not that it would be arab country.
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    Re: Russian arms sales to Middle East & North Africa

    Post  sepheronx on Tue Sep 15, 2015 2:14 pm

    If it was Pakistan, we would have heard of it by now as they love to stick it to Indians at any chance, and my wife reads both Pakistani and Indian news. No word of it. As well, Pakistan isnt an Arab country. As well, there would be flames from India regarding this as they assemble and partially manufacture parts for T-90S.

    My bet is Algeria due to already having so many T-90's and they could move to upgrading them.

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    Re: Russian arms sales to Middle East & North Africa

    Post  Atakor on Tue Sep 15, 2015 8:33 pm

    The Moroccans have just bought 222 refurbished Abrams, I don't see them buying T90MS, especially if we already have them.

    The probability to upgrade our tanks to the MS is really high, but still, I won't be surprised if some Gulf nations by some.
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    Re: Russian arms sales to Middle East & North Africa

    Post  Mike E on Wed Sep 16, 2015 4:38 pm

    Well, it was Kuwait oddly enough... 

    Hopefully Pakistan tests it later, as originally planned.
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    Re: Russian arms sales to Middle East & North Africa

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Wed Sep 16, 2015 8:10 pm

    Mike E wrote:Well, it was Kuwait oddly enough... 

    Hopefully Pakistan tests it later, as originally planned.

    Surprise, Pakistan isn't the 'Arab' country mentioned.
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    Re: Russian arms sales to Middle East & North Africa

    Post  Mike E on Wed Sep 16, 2015 8:23 pm

    Surprise, it wasn't Egypt or Algeria. 

    Rolling Eyes
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    Re: Russian arms sales to Middle East & North Africa

    Post  sepheronx on Wed Sep 16, 2015 8:38 pm

    Good thing I am not a betting man.

    But funny enough, someone on sdelanounas ssid his bet was UAE. Close but not quite. Hopegully Kuwait buys them!
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    Re: Russian arms sales to Middle East & North Africa

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Wed Sep 16, 2015 8:40 pm

    Mike E wrote:Surprise, it wasn't Egypt or Algeria. 

    Rolling Eyes

    You should've of known better than to think Pakistan as a Arabic country.
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    Re: Russian arms sales to Middle East & North Africa

    Post  Mike E on Wed Sep 16, 2015 8:42 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    Mike E wrote:Surprise, it wasn't Egypt or Algeria. 

    Rolling Eyes

    You should've of known better than to think Pakistan as a Arabic country.
    Never thought they were, rather that quotes and journalists can be misunderstood. 

    I suspect Kuwait will purchase ~150 to replace their M-84's, and maybe a few extra to start dropping the A2.
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    Re: Russian arms sales to Middle East & North Africa

    Post  Mike E on Sun Sep 20, 2015 6:20 am

    Well, ugh...turns out that Kuwait finishing T-90MS testing was originally announced at IDEF in February. Repeating news 6 months later would be an odd move, unless this really is a different country.
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    Re: Russian arms sales to Middle East & North Africa

    Post  sepheronx on Sun Sep 20, 2015 5:33 pm

    Could be UAE.

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