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    TR1
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    Chinese Internet Bots really do exist.

    Post  TR1 on Fri Apr 20, 2012 12:20 am

    http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?t=112778&page=10

    Read the several last pages and get ready to cry. Either China is full of thick headed goats, or Chinese Bot posters really do exist.

    Seriously.
    These people.
    Wtf.

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    Post  GarryB on Fri Apr 20, 2012 1:15 am

    I have never read anything about China regarding Mi-24s or Mi-35s.

    I have read about China and the Tu-22M and the Mig-31... in both cases they were going to order 2-4 of each... so no surprise those never got anywhere.

    If there was any interest in the Mi-24/35... especially in the 1990s when the Mi-24 was a very basic day only clear weather aircraft that didn't even have a laser range finder let alone advanced avionics, I rather expect they would planning to order half a dozen or less and then produce a clone.

    Maybe your new friend has confused the Mi-24 with the Mi-8/-17 of which the Chinese bought about 250 in the 1990s, though they sold them in non military configuration with weapons pylons etc being added by the Chinese... ?

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    Post  Corrosion on Fri Apr 20, 2012 2:07 am

    I think Chinese generally now a days are bit sensitive and somewhat paranoid IMO. As West is ganging up on them, they do think there is a ever present conspiracy to downgrade their country and give it negative publicity every where. They do have worked hard to get to where they are today from a past that was quite degrading for them, having had a great civilization in the distant past. Not that Chinese are angels anyway. They are absolute evil if you look especially from Tibetan perspective. Just look at the way that poster was referring to Vietnam since Vietnam doesn't toe their line. China will become much like US where you are either with us or with them (against us). Rolling Eyes

    That is just my opinion.

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    Post  GarryB on Fri Apr 20, 2012 2:22 am

    If you define evil and looking out for your own interests then you could call them evil... perhaps they should give Tibetan people the right to operate casinos on their territory... it worked in the US with the native Americans...

    China was occupied for a long period during the early 20th century by the British and Japanese... do you consider the British or Japanese to be evil too?

    I am sure China will give up control of Tibet... as soon as the US returns territory to the Mexicans and the British... if your reply is that the US took that territory by force so therefore owns it by right of force what do you think I will say regarding Tibet.

    Don't get me wrong, I have sympathy for the Tibetans, but then I have sympathy for the Mexicans too...


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    Post  Corrosion on Fri Apr 20, 2012 2:43 am

    GarryB wrote:If you define evil and looking out for your own interests then you could call them evil... perhaps they should give Tibetan people the right to operate casinos on their territory... it worked in the US with the native Americans...
    Only problem is Tibetans don't have that frame of mind. They are not interested in material virtues. Chinese are wiping out their entire culture, language and what not. Hunt them like animals when ever they raise their voice. They are evil if you look from Tibetan perspective.

    China was occupied for a long period during the early 20th century by the British and Japanese... do you consider the British or Japanese to be evil too?
    Yes from Chinese perspective.

    I am sure China will give up control of Tibet... as soon as the US returns territory to the Mexicans and the British... if your reply is that the US took that territory by force so therefore owns it by right of force what do you think I will say regarding Tibet.
    I doubt they will. They are not even listening to Tibetans for giving them some autonomy to run their own affairs. That is all Tibetans are asking. They are not asking for independence from China. My knowledge is limited about North America, how it is over there. But I do know about Australia, having met some Abrogines(spelling?). But they have some rights to preserve their culture although their are constant problems where state meddles within their affairs even families.

    Similarly it is in India, where the powerful communities have power and weaker ones suffer. Just depends from which perspective you look from. Oppressor is an evil if one looks from the eyes of oppressed, since the powerful have power to change things for good but they don't do it or cant be bothered about if for their small time gains.

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    Post  GarryB on Fri Apr 20, 2012 3:27 am

    Oppressor is an evil if one looks from the eyes of oppressed, since the powerful have power to change things for good but they don't do it or cant be bothered about if for their small time gains.

    I think you are misusing the word evil.

    The British felt their actions in their colonies were to the benefit of their victims. Dragging savages into the 19th or 20th century they would say.

    What China does in Tibet could be claimed to be evil if they wanted to kill them all... what they seem to be doing is trying to assimilate them into China... like the US tries to do with the Native Americans and the Australians do with the Aboriginies and the New Zealanders do with Maori.

    Demonising your opponent is only useful if you are preparing for war where you think you will have to be able to kill your enemy... much easier if they are evil right?

    Also helps to alienate them so your friends don't trade so much with them in an attempt to isolate and corner them.

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    Post  Corrosion on Fri Apr 20, 2012 4:05 am

    Maybe I am using the term Evil wrongly as maybe I don't understand this concept of Evil properly. I meant it in terms of injustice and enslavement.

    And I strongly disagree with this concept of assimilation. Why should there be a need for assimilation? Coexistence it should be.

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    Post  GarryB on Fri Apr 20, 2012 4:29 am

    Evil means attempting to do harm for pleasure.

    Evil means hate for life and nature.

    Evil is as hard to define as good... which countries are good? What is good?

    For many Germans the Nazi regime of WWII was good because they benefited from what they did.

    Good and evil are perceptions that can change with perspective... Colonial actions of 300 years ago might seem evil now but were considered good then.

    European Christians invading the middle east and murdering people was seen as saving christianity then.

    Most religions consider themselves good and anyone who disagrees or has different beliefs is evil.

    The thing is that it is a human thing... a pack of wolves will rip a sheep into little pieces and eat it, but not for fun and not because they hate sheep. They do it because they need to eat. There is nothing good or evil about it.

    When raising money to save endangered animals you can bet your backside that it is much easier to raise money to save cute fluffy baby seals than to save Hyenas or Vultures.

    The problem is that all animals live together and when you remove one animal from the system then the balance changes and all of a sudden with no ugly predators to keep numbers in check and to eat dead meat you get the mix of disease and increasing numbers of grazing animals that could potentially wipe out the local flora and fauna leading to the place falling apart.

    If evil meant assimilation then China assimilating Tibet is small biscuits compared with the US trying to make the whole world like America... imposing regime change and bombing countries not to mention the trillions a year they spend on holywood movies and CNN propaganda.

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