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    Minor Russian Military exports

    Post  TR1 on Tue Apr 17, 2012 7:44 pm

    Ok, so instead of posting many small threads for minor (and not so minor) export contracts, I thought it would be easier to have one place.
    This thread will be for ground vehicles, AFVs the like, I guess we should put Air Defense in a separate thread.

    http://lenta.ru/news/2012/04/17/buy/
    Posted this in a separate thread by accident, but once again, Indonesia looking to buy another 37 BMP-3F for over 100 million dollars.


    http://topwar.ru/13532-kazahstan-zakazal-u-rossii-krupnuyu-partiyu-btr-82.html

    Kazakhstan signed contract to buy 90 BTR-82s. Deliveries will start in 2013 and continue for 2 years.
    This is not the first BTR-82 contract for Kazakhstan. Under the first, they already took deliveries of 30 vehicles in 2011, and are receiving 70 this year.
    A 3rd contract is likely in the future.
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    Post  TheArmenian on Tue Apr 17, 2012 9:00 pm

    Good idea to have an export news section.

    The Russian Military-Industrial Complex can not find enough domestic orders to ensure that the design and production facilities maintain efficient and profitable/sustainable operations. The excess capacity will have to go to exports.

    Arms exports are also a political tool.
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Apr 18, 2012 2:00 am

    Well I think that domestic orders will come as they still have lots of obsolete stuff in service that they need to deal with first... once that has been dealt with they can start with large orders which should help reduce prices.
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    Post  TR1 on Thu Apr 19, 2012 9:57 am

    http://www.newskaz.ru/economy/20120417/2986406.html

    Kazakhstan orders second batch of BMPT "Terminator".
    First batch was of 3 units.
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    Post  GarryB on Fri Apr 20, 2012 1:45 am

    So we can assume the tests were successful... Smile
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    Post  NationalRus on Mon May 21, 2012 3:57 pm

    its a great system indeed, and we droped it Rolling Eyes

    no BMPT'S for russia
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    Post  TheArmenian on Mon May 21, 2012 6:20 pm

    NationalRus wrote:its a great system indeed, and we droped it Rolling Eyes

    no BMPT'S for russia

    I suspect Garry is going to reply to your post with his usual speech about the Armata family of vehicles that is under development Razz
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    Post  TR1 on Mon May 21, 2012 9:56 pm

    TheArmenian wrote:
    NationalRus wrote:its a great system indeed, and we droped it Rolling Eyes

    no BMPT'S for russia

    I suspect Garry is going to reply to your post with his usual speech about the Armata family of vehicles that is under development Razz

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    Post  GarryB on Tue May 22, 2012 9:03 am

    Actually the more I think about it... the BMPT would only be needed for T-90 heavy brigades (tank and motor rifle).

    The Armata brigades will have Armata tanks with 30mm cannons and the IFVs will have external guns and external remote operated weapon systems that should have a range of fire to engage targets conventional tanks cannot engage.

    More to the point the reason for the BMPT is a vehicle with tank level protection so it can't be picked off like a BMP or air defence vehicle, but with the high elevation firepower to engage targets that main battle tanks have problems engaging.

    The Armata concept means MBT level protection for all vehicles in the unit and the external gun mounts should enable a better range of targets to be engaged... if not with the IFVs, then with the air defence and organic artillery vehicles...

    The primary use for BMPTs would be with T-90 equipped units, which also means BTR-T and a change of chassis for MSTA from T-80 to T-90 etc etc.
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    Post  GarryB on Tue May 22, 2012 10:56 am

    I should clarify that the Armata design is optimised for all the crew to be in the hull and to be fitted with an external gun mount with all the ammo protected under the turret ring.

    In this case the IFV and/or APC models can have a range of externally mounted weapons with wide elevation ranges that will be difficult to knock out yet able to engage threats a conventional tank main gun would have problems.

    With a conventional MBT the main gun will only elevate to about 20 degrees as will the coaxial MG. The roof mounted AA gun will only have 50-300 rounds of ammo and may require the crewman to leave the protection of the turret to reload after 50 shots even if the weapon can be aimed from under armour.

    With the T-90 brigades external gun mounts and remote weapon systems are still possible but the problem of where to put the crew as there wont be room in the hull so turret positions or hull extensions become necessary.

    Will they keep the wide range of vehicles in a T-90 brigade or attempt to adapt the T-90 chassis the way they are adapting the Armata to the different roles?

    Perhaps we might start seeing T-90 based command vehicles and T-90 based artillery vehicles soon.

    It would certainly not be impossible to simply modify T-72s with new engines and transmissions for the extra vehicles in the T-90 units... the cost of making brand new vehicles would be better spent on just making more Armatas because that is the real thing.

    The problem is that Armata vehicles wont be cheap and I guess will be introduced a brigade at a time.

    They will need to make a lot of interesting choices over the next few years, but even an upgraded T-72 is better than an old one as it will have modern datalink comms and night vision equipment and battle management displays that will make Russian brigades much more powerful. No point in upgrading the C4IR if your armoured units can't receive or use it...

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    Post  flamming_python on Wed May 30, 2012 1:49 am

    Weren't they just planning to make a new version of the BMPT? I do recall hearing something like that, although maybe I'm wrong.
    It's a sound concept and I don't think that the Russian military has dropped the requirement for such a vehicle (assuming it has such a requirement and this isn't just some defense industry initiative for what they think the military might need).
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    Post  GarryB on Wed May 30, 2012 9:04 am

    The BMPT concept was created AFAIK after efforts in Grozny and Chechnia where BMPs and BTRs often got picked off leaving the tanks vulnerable to infantry attack. The BMPT is a fire support vehicle to protect tanks from infantry targets they have problems engaging. On a conventional open battlefield a modern tank can engage ATGM launchers out to long range... even just HE Frag shells are effective at that, and helos can be engaged effectively with several types of ammo including laser guided missiles due to modern thermals enabling helos to be detected from great distances and tracked with autotracking computers.

    What the tanks are lacking is close range firepower that can elevate to hit second storey buildings or higher or basement positions.

    In fact a long heavily armoured vehicle with half a dozen independent external mini turrets with 40mm Balkan grenade launchers and PKM machineguns in external mounts independently aimed and fired would be very useful too... combining the precision of a 30 cal MMG within 500m or so that could be used to kill specific individuals, along with the firepower of a 40mm grenade launcher. I have read that the US Army used more 40mm grenade ammo during Desert Storm than they did 7.62 x 51mm NATO ammo.

    The Russians have not mentioned their plans regarding Aramta numbers... when the T-95 program was active they mentioned a small force of T-95s and the backbone T-90s. The new Armata vehicles will be more expensive to buy because rather than just 50 vehicles in a Tank brigade or 20 odd in a motor rifle brigade it will be more like 150 vehicles in both brigade types because every vehicle is an Armata vehicle.

    Because of this the T-90 might remain in service... at least in reserve for some time, which means there is a requirement for BMPTs afterall.

    I have a sneaking suspicion that if they adopt a new 57mm or 45mm gun for the Army for the BMP that the new BMPT might also get one or the other calibre weapon too.
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    Post  TR1 on Wed May 30, 2012 8:30 pm

    http://gurkhan.blogspot.com/2012/05/blog-post_1812.html

    Azerbaijan ordered several Scorpion vehicles from Russia.
    They are interested in license production as well.
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    Post  TR1 on Mon Jun 11, 2012 10:47 pm

    Nice pictures of Tigr and Vodnik in Uruguay.



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    Post  TR1 on Sun Sep 23, 2012 5:07 am

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/338571.html

    Mongolia receives T-72s and BTR-70Ms from Russia.

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    Post  TR1 on Thu Dec 06, 2012 10:41 am

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    Post  collegeboy16 on Sun Dec 09, 2012 1:16 pm

    Viktor wrote:
    In the meantime, excellent picture of T-90MS
    Is that Nakidka? If it is then what purpose does those moss-like parts serve?
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    Post  GarryB on Mon Dec 10, 2012 9:15 am

    Most likely to give it an unevenindistinct shape.

    In comparison, the flat surfaces of US tanks make it stand out in high resolution radar images.


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    Post  TR1 on Mon Feb 25, 2013 9:06 pm

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/465499.html

    Ukraine bought 24 2A42 cannons in 2012.
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    Post  Viktor on Sat Apr 05, 2014 12:38 am

    Its not much but better than nothing

    Hungary buys additional Mi-8 helicopters
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    Post  TR1 on Wed Feb 25, 2015 6:01 am

    http://gurkhan.blogspot.com/2015/02/3.html

    The upgrade contract for 135 BMP-3s (sighed with UAE for 72 USD million back in 2011) will be completed this summer.

    http://tass.ru/politika/1436635

    T-90 deliveries to Azerbaijan will be completed this year.


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    Post  AttilaA on Wed Feb 25, 2015 9:27 am

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    Post  Kyo on Wed Feb 25, 2015 10:25 pm

    Sputniknews in Portuguese says Russia will supply new automatic artillery turret to the UAE. The new Russian turret AU-220M will be combined with a local modular APC, probably 8x8 Enigma. The contract was signed today, Wednesday 25 at IDEX 2015, just after UAE signing an arms deal with the Ukie junta.
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    Post  mack8 on Wed Feb 25, 2015 10:55 pm

    Regarding the UAE contract with the Ukraine puppets, is it clear if UAE is BUYING something or actually SELLING to them, and if UAE does sell to them, what is it? Thanks.

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    Post  iraqidabab on Wed Feb 25, 2015 11:07 pm

    mack8 wrote:Regarding the UAE contract with the Ukraine puppets, is it clear if UAE is BUYING something or actually SELLING to them, and if UAE does sell to them, what is it? Thanks.

    It'll most likely be 'United-40' UCAV which is what Ukraine lacks, or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nimr

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