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    GarryB
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    Re: 2008 South Ossetia war

    Post  GarryB on Fri Feb 14, 2014 9:34 am

    Fighting whom?

    Massoud and his men.


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    Russian armed forces experience

    Post  Manov on Thu May 21, 2015 7:20 pm

    Guys , i dont know if this is the proper thread to post this but i am really interested in discussing the use of SEAD and other advanced weapons by the RUAF in this conflict because it was their baptism of fire against a modern ADS. I mean it was like fighting a soviet 1990 sam system (excluding s-300), being superior to anything the USA and Israel have fought in their previous wars. As a test, it was a really hard test for the RUAF and they got lot of experience. In the Saker blog there was an entry with really interesting articles.

    http://mdb.cast.ru/mdb/3-2008/item3/article3/

    One of them its about SEAD.

    There is a good paper called the tanks of august. I can upload it if you want.

    But what i mean, i would like to talk how these developments helped the Russian armed forces modernization plans and doctrines.

    If this topic was talked about i wish you could send me a link to follow the discussion.

    Cheers.

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    Re: 2008 South Ossetia war

    Post  Godric on Thu May 21, 2015 8:37 pm

    Saakashvili is nothing but a cowardly scumbag he told the citizens of S Ossetia that he was aiming for peace then bombarded them when they were sleeping ... I hope he gets dragged through the streets of Tskhinvali

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    Re: 2008 South Ossetia war

    Post  Manov on Thu May 21, 2015 9:41 pm

    It was a rehearsal of what is happening in Ukraine, both sides USA and Russia, are playing those lessons now. I guess Russia made a huge leap forward as we see with the "cover" support of the NAF. And the experience allowed them to be more prepared against an advanced enemy. In Ukraine, they still have a powerful IADS ( at least on paper) so the lessons of 8-8-8 are critical. If then they used Su-24m and marginally Su-34. Now they have a really powerful punch with Su-34, Su-30 and the Su-24m2.

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    Re: 2008 South Ossetia war

    Post  George1 on Wed Jun 03, 2015 12:19 am

    Use of electronic warfare during the war with Georgia in August 2008

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    Re: 2008 South Ossetia war

    Post  collegeboy16 on Wed Jun 03, 2015 10:00 am

    George1 wrote:Use of electronic warfare during the war with Georgia in August 2008
    based Su-34. no wonder they want about 200 of these birds.

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    Re: 2008 South Ossetia war

    Post  Odin of Ossetia on Tue Jul 14, 2015 1:21 am

    AttilaA wrote:So how would you describe the first Chechen war, which was not even comparable to the balance which existed between Azerbaijan and Armenia during first Karabakh war? There really wasn't all that difference between Azerbaijan and Armenia, and certainly not in technological terms, but more importantly there was barely anyone to man those equipment in a professional way, mostly because of the Soviet policy with regards to military service of Muslims. Also, an actual army in real sense didn't exist, but this would be also more or less true for Armenians, however, they were indeed better organized. In the midst of war, a general rebelled and marched towards Baku with his soldiers and equipment, thats how messed up the situation was in country, and with regards to individuals at top.

    And if we are supposed to talk about "warrior" definition as in traditional sense, not only is it very stupid in our modern world, but also only a really ignorant person can keep on making such claims. Largely nomadic Azerbaijanis (lets keep in mind that this was a term that Stalin gave to us, and we are better known as Tatars or Turkmens in history), whos life revolved around pillaging innhabitants of Caucasia and Iran (not something that I'm proud of, but thats how it was), meant that our traditional culture was much more based on being a "warrior" than sedentary, merchant Armenians.


    One of the factors also to take into account is that the Armenian gangs were financed and supported by both the CIA and the diaspora.

    I read a while ago that there was some discrimination in the Soviet military; ethnic Armenians were permitted to serve in front-line combat units, even elite ones like the VDV, whereas ethnic Azeris and members of the other Turkic nationalities were confined to only support units. This resulted in the ethnic Armenians getting much better combat training and experience.

    That discrimination dates back to Czarist times; during the Armenian-Tatar/Azeri War at the beginning of the 20th century, ethnic Armenians were often wealthy merchants who could afford guns, while the Tatars/Azeris usually had only bow and arrows as their only shooting weapons system.

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    Re: 2008 South Ossetia war

    Post  flamming_python on Tue Jul 14, 2015 1:40 am

    Odin of Ossetia wrote:
    AttilaA wrote:So how would you describe the first Chechen war, which was not even comparable to the balance which existed between Azerbaijan and Armenia during first Karabakh war? There really wasn't all that difference between Azerbaijan and Armenia, and certainly not in technological terms, but more importantly there was barely anyone to man those equipment in a professional way, mostly because of the Soviet policy with regards to military service of Muslims. Also, an actual army in real sense didn't exist, but this would be also more or less true for Armenians, however, they were indeed better organized. In the midst of war, a general rebelled and marched towards Baku with his soldiers and equipment, thats how messed up the situation was in country, and with regards to individuals at top.

    And if we are supposed to talk about "warrior" definition as in traditional sense, not only is it very stupid in our modern world, but also only a really ignorant person can keep on making such claims. Largely nomadic Azerbaijanis (lets keep in mind that this was a term that Stalin gave to us, and we are better known as Tatars or Turkmens in history), whos life revolved around pillaging innhabitants of Caucasia and Iran (not something that I'm proud of, but thats how it was), meant that our traditional culture was much more based on being a "warrior" than sedentary, merchant Armenians.


    One of the factors also to take into account is that the Armenian gangs were financed and supported by both the CIA and the diaspora.

    I read a while ago that there was some discrimination in the Soviet military; ethnic Armenians were permitted to serve in front-line combat units, even elite ones like the VDV, whereas ethnic Azeris and members of the other Turkic nationalities were confined to only support units. This resulted in the ethnic Armenians getting much better combat training and experience.  

    That discrimination dates back to Czarist times; during the Armenian-Tatar/Azeri War at the beginning of the 20th century, ethnic Armenians were often wealthy merchants who could afford guns, while the Tatars/Azeris usually had only bow and arrows as their only shooting weapons system.

    Logistics is half the battle; Azerbaijan should have been able to leverage its enormous pool of experience in stroibats and driver-mechanics Smile

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