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    Re: Pantsir-S1 News Thread:

    Post  marat on Tue Apr 18, 2017 8:56 pm

    Isos wrote:
    marat wrote:It seems that Pantsir got his first kill. UAE Pantsir have apparently shooted down Saudi UH-60.

    It already shot down turkish F-4 back in 2012.

    Is that confirmed? If yes sorry to all becouse my misinformation.
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    Post  Benya on Tue Apr 18, 2017 11:24 pm

    Here we go guys, some tech specs of the Pantsir-SA (Data is mostly relevant for the regular Pantsir, but is relevant for this arctic variant too)


    Pantsir-SA Arctic short-range missile-gun air defense system


    Description

    The Pantsir-SA is a new Russian-made short-range air defense missile-gun system using the Pantsir-S1 weapon station. The system is especially designed to be used for Arctic region based one the chassis of the DT-30PM tracked all-terrain vehicle which consists of two tracked vehicle units linked by a steering mechanism. The second vehicle is used to carried the Pantsir-S1 weapon station. The Pantsir-SA was unveiled during the rehearsal for the Russian Victory Day Parade 2017, in April 2017. According to the Russian newspaper website Sputnik, the Russian army has received the first samples of Pantsir-SA at the end of 2016. In December 2014, Russia unveiled a revised military doctrine that prioritizes the protection of national interests in the Arctic. Russia has improved its presence in the Arctic, believed to hold huge oil and natural gas deposits, establishing a new Arctic command and is expanding its icebreaker fleet.

    Variants:

    - Pantsir-S1: first version of the Russian-made air defense system
    - Pantsir-S2: an improved version of the Pantsir-S1 using new surface-to-air missiles and also fitted with a new SOTS S-band search radar to increase the detection range from 36 km to over 40 km.

    Armament

    The Pantsir-SA seems to be fitted with the same weapon station as the Pantsir-S1 which consists of twelve 57E6 surface-to-air guided missiles and two 2A38M30-millimetre automatic guns developed from the two-barreled 30mm GSh-30 gun. The missiles can hit target with a range from 1,200 to 20,000 m at an altitude from 5 to 15,000 m. The cannons can engage target from a range of 200 to 4,000 m at an altitude from 0 to 3,000 m.

    Design and protection

    The Pantsir-SA is based on the chassis of the DT-30PM-T1 tracked articulated tractor ((DT stands for ‘articulated tractor’ in Russian), an all-terrain vehicle which consists of two tracked vehicle units linked by a steering mechanism. The DT-30PM is especially designed to be used in the harsh climatic conditions of the Arctic region. The first vehicle of the DT-30PM is a tracked platform with water-displacing sealed all-welded body housing a crew cabin for 4 - 7 people equipped with autonomous heating and air ventilation systems, power plant, transmission and a cargo compartment located at the rear of the crew cab. The Pantsir-S1 weapon station is mounted on the tracked chassis of the second vehicle. The DT-30PM has a curb weight of 31,500 kg, a payload of 30,000 kg and a length of 16.08 m, width of 3.10 m and a height of 3.33 m.

    Mobility

    The Pantsir-SA uses the same chassis and powerpack as the standard DT-30PM. The vehicle is motorized with a V-shaped, 12-cylinder multi-fuel diesel engine YaMZ-847.10 developing 800 hp. The DT-30PM can run at a maximum road speed of 45 km/h with a maximum cruising range of 700 km. The DT-30PM can negotiate gradients up to 30° and slope of 15°. It can cross a trench of 4.5 m width and a vertical obstacle of 1.2 m.

    Combat use

    The Pantsir weapon station can conduct fire at two targets at the same time and attack up to 12 targets within a minute. The system's effective range for missiles is 20 kilometers and the maximum altitude is eight kilometers, and for artillery shells up to three and four kilometers respectively. It can also operate in a passive mode using an infrared channel in the long-wave band with logical processing of the signal and automatic tracking. The Pantsir weapon station is able to defeat almost the entire spectrum of air threats, all types of precision guided weapons in particular, flying at a speed of up to 1,000 m/s and approaching from different bearings at an angle of 0- 10 ° to 60 - 70°, aircraft flying at a speed of up to 500 m/s, helicopters, remotely piloted vehicles, as well as light armoured ground targets and enemy manpower. The combination of missile and gun armament enabling the operator to create a continuous target engagement zone and fire at targets uninterruptedly beginning from their maximum range of 18 to 20 km up to a range of minimum 200 m. Target flying at an altitude of 5 to 15 km can be shot down. The Pantsir weapon station is equipped with multiple-mode adaptive radar/optical weapons control system operating in the UHF, EHF and IR regions of the spectrum. The system features high immunity to jamming, survivability in the presence of electronic countermeasures and under enemy fire.
    The Pantsir weapon station fire control system includes a target acquisition radar and dual waveband tracking radar (designation 1RS2-1E for export models), which operates in the UHF and EHF waveband. Detection range is 32–36 km and tracking range is 24–28 km for a target with 2 m2 RCS. This radar tracks both targets and the surface-to-air missile while in flight. As well as radar, the fire control system also has an electro-optic channel with long-wave thermal imager and infrared direction finder, including digital signal processing and automatic target tracking.

    Specifications

    Armament
    Twelve ground-to-air missile launcher 57E6 / 57E6-E, two dual 2A38M 30 mm autocannon guns

    Country users
    Russia

    Designer Country
    Russia

    Accessories
    Radio commands with IR or radio direction finding, autonomous acquisition radar and tracking radar

    Crew
    4 - 7 soldiers

    Radar System
    Autonomous acquisition and tracking radar 1RS2-1

    Armor
    No armor protection.


    Source: Arrow http://www.armyrecognition.com/russia_russian_missile_system_vehicle_uk/pantsir-sa_arctic_short-range_missile-gun_air_defense_system_technical_data_sheet_specifications_pictures_video_11604176.html#top
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    Re: Pantsir-S1 News Thread:

    Post  hoom on Wed Apr 19, 2017 1:03 pm

    The Pantsir-SA seems to be fitted with the same weapon station as the Pantsir-S1 which consists of twelve 57E6 surface-to-air guided missiles and two 2A38M30-millimetre automatic guns developed from the two-barreled 30mm GSh-30 gun.
    I'm presuming they wrote that before the pics without the cover came out because its got 18 missiles, the S2 radar & the turret section seems to be notably lower volume than either S1 or S2.

    I'm wondering if there is less volume due to no guns/ammo &/or newer better electrics or just relocated into the front section?
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    Post  Book. on Fri Apr 21, 2017 3:28 am

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    Post  GarryB on Fri Apr 21, 2017 1:22 pm

    I'm wondering if there is less volume due to no guns/ammo &/or newer better electrics or just relocated into the front section?

    2,000 30mm cannon shells do take up quite a bit of space, plus the servo equipment for pointing and stabilising the guns would take up a bit more, but I suspect their electronics has gotten rather smaller too.

    Certainly if modern rifle mounted thermal sights are anything to go by the new models are tiny compared with the older models and also are much more capable... and cheaper.


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    Post  Rmf on Mon Jul 17, 2017 9:53 pm

    wel well wellllll , looks like new 40 km missile has appeared. looks kinda anemic (larger booster- smaller warhead) cry







    from the left - pantsir , hermes , new missile.
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    Post  GarryB on Tue Jul 18, 2017 11:56 am

    That new missile looks like SOSNA-R.

    A 10km range beam riding missile designed for very high speed flight over fairly short distances that is rather cheap but accurate enough for hitting small targets rapidly.


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    Post  Rmf on Sun Jul 30, 2017 9:53 pm

    looks like but its not. its hypersonic needle

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    Post  robognus on Tue Aug 22, 2017 2:08 pm

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    Post  PapaDragon on Tue Aug 22, 2017 2:56 pm


    Pantsir on Typhoon-K MRAP, sweet!!! thumbsup
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    Post  robognus on Thu Aug 24, 2017 6:26 pm



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    Post  AmbiOpinion on Thu Aug 24, 2017 7:46 pm

    robognus wrote:

    What is that quad tubed thing? Does that replace a single missile tube on the Pantsir?
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    Post  robognus on Thu Aug 24, 2017 8:12 pm

    AmbiOpinion wrote:


    What is that quad tubed thing? Does that replace a single missile tube on the Pantsir?


    Yes, four small missiles to destroy drones in one tube.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Fri Aug 25, 2017 1:09 am

    A good way to increase the amount of missiles per tube on the platform.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Aug 25, 2017 1:32 am

    robognus wrote:


    Translation, courtesy of Reddit (I think):

    Number | Date | Launch Position | Dist. (km) | Alt. (km) | Speed(km) |Type of Target | Missiles launched
    1 | 03.23| Masyaf | 5 | 2 | 360 | Rocket gas cylinder | 1
    2 | 03.27 | Hmeymim | 4 | 2 | 1080 | Rocket artillery shell | 1
    3 | 03.27 | Hmeymim | 3 | 1.5 | 980 | Rocket artillery shell | 1
    4 | 03.29 | Hmeymim | 5 | 4 | 1320 | rocket artilley shell | 1
    5 | 04.09 | Tartus | 13.7 | 6.4 | 120 | Heron UAV | 1
    6 | 05.04 | Masyaf | 3.5 | 1.5 | 60 | Mini-UAV | 1
    7 | 05.11 | Tartus | 3.2 | 2.5 | 110 | Bayraktar mini-UAV | 1
    8 | 05.20 | Tartus | 8.8 | 7.3 | 147 | Heron UAV | 1
    9 | 05.27 | Tartus | 5 | 9.1 | 110 | RQ-21A UAV | 3
    10 | 06.17 | Hmeymim | 15.1 | 11.7 | 90 | Aerostat | 2 
    11 | 06.21 | Tartus | 19 | 7.3 | 100 | Small-scale air balloon | 1
    12 | 07.06 | Masyaf | 16.1 | 4.1 | 75 | Heron UAV | 1[
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    Post  AmbiOpinion on Fri Aug 25, 2017 1:57 am

    robognus wrote:


    Yes, four small missiles to destroy drones in one tube.

    Their boosters are so much smaller, any idea what the range is like? Does it have enough energy to intercept PGMs?

    Hmm I didn't realize Russia had shot down so many Israeli drones. I wonder if the Israelis and the Russians are having an electronic war.
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    Post  George1 on Fri Aug 25, 2017 2:57 am

    Modified anti-aircraft missile and gun system "Pantsir-SM"

    During the International Military Technical Forum "Army-2017" for the first time the photos of the new anti-aircraft missile and gun system "Pantsir-SM" developed by JSC "Design Bureau of Instrument Engineering" (KBP, Tula) were publicly presented. The combat module ZRPK "Pantsir-SM" is installed on the new chassis "Tornado" K-53958 developed by JSC "Remdizel" (Naberezhnye Chelny).

    Also mock-ups of perspective small-sized anti-aircraft missiles for the new ZRPK were also presented. It is interesting to note that the development of the Tornado project is conducted in an initial order jointly with the KBP, but under the control of the Russian Ministry of Defense ..



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    Re: Pantsir-S1 News Thread:

    Post  ATLASCUB on Fri Aug 25, 2017 4:41 am

    AmbiOpinion wrote:
    robognus wrote:


    Yes, four small missiles to destroy drones in one tube.

    Their boosters are so much smaller, any idea what the range is like? Does it have enough energy to intercept PGMs?

    Hmm I didn't realize Russia had shot down so many Israeli drones. I wonder if the Israelis and the Russians are having an electronic war.

    Wonder? There is no doubt. These fuckers have been aiding opposition groups inside Syria, including the radical ones with intelligence and funds. The Mossad is everywhere in the M.E. As such, their efforts will, in the sum of its parts, hurt the Russian mission in Syria in one way or another aka, Israel is a foe, not friendly. Sending a few drones here or there is childs play...and those reported downed are the ones caught....extrapolate to the ones not caught. You can expect a lot of intelligence gathering by the Israeli's in the form of suveillence, air, land, sea, tapping of comms etc, coupled with assets on the ground, mainly the mossad and perhaps a black-ops here or there... To resume, standard ops in a proxy war.

    Their insolence is allowed for a number of reasons: 1: they got nukes. 2: they have a strong air force that can project power in a regional theater. Thus, they're accommodated to a degree to avoid a full fledged confrontation. They're, in essence an extension of the U.S in the Middle East and treated pretty much like so - thanks to American tax payer dollars of course, or these days - debt.

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    Has Iran acquired Pantsirs? and if so how many?
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    Post  hoom on Sat Aug 26, 2017 7:12 am

    Probably Turkish Herons that far North rather than Israeli.

    Pretty interesting list of interceptions, wide range of speed/height/distances.
    Terminal phase Grads, hits out close to the claimed 20k max.
    Seems to relatively struggle a bit with targets up about 10k high but I'm pretty impressed with the number of single missile hits claimed.

    four small missiles to destroy drones in one tube.
    Seems like a good idea Smile

    I wonder if they'll do a similar list for the S-400 including that Global Hawk that officially crashed in California sunny

    Edit: other sources say 10k is the claimed max height -> makes sense to struggle with targets up there.
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    Post  AmbiOpinion on Mon Aug 28, 2017 3:59 pm

    hoom wrote:

    I wonder if they'll do a similar list for the S-400 including that Global Hawk that officially crashed in California sunny


    Do you really think the S-400 shot down an aircraft in California? Wasn't it flying from one US air base to another inside the US?
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    Post  hoom on Mon Aug 28, 2017 8:12 pm

    No, there is a claim the S-400 in Syria shot down a Globalhawk off Latakia that was doing the rounds about a day before the report of one crashing in California -> assumed the 'crash' is cover for the loss.
    Not saying I necessarily believe it but the timing is very interesting dunno

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    Post  T-47 on Tue Aug 29, 2017 12:09 pm

    hoom wrote:No, there is a claim the S-400 in Syria shot down a Globalhawk off Latakia that was doing the rounds about a day before the report of one crashing in California -> assumed the 'crash' is cover for the loss.
    Not saying I necessarily believe it but the timing is very interesting  dunno

    Russia would claim the shoot down proudly if that happened I guess
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    Post  AmbiOpinion on Tue Aug 29, 2017 8:09 pm

    hoom wrote:No, there is a claim the S-400 in Syria shot down a Globalhawk off Latakia that was doing the rounds about a day before the report of one crashing in California -> assumed the 'crash' is cover for the loss.
    Not saying I necessarily believe it but the timing is very interesting  dunno

    The US wouldn't let a $200+ million asset be destroyed without raising a hellstorm in the media. Unless they were overflying Syrian territory I can't imagine the Russians would strike at US aircraft, though perhaps the fact that it was unmanned played into the decision. I just don't believe they would do something so ballsy, and I also don't believe it could be covered up.
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    Post  hoom on Thu Aug 31, 2017 4:54 am

    More powerful firecontrol radar?!

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