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    Post  TR1 on Tue 06 Aug 2013, 04:36

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/586091.html


    About the Kamchatka testing:
    3 firing units sent to Kamchatka via VTA
    One of the vehicles fired two targets from 20km away, which were intercepted by the other two vehicles.
    Main testing involved firing two missiles at a cruise missile launched by a Tu-95 from 600km away
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    Post  Zivo on Tue 06 Aug 2013, 10:37

    Main testing involved firing two missiles at a cruise missile launched by a Tu-95 from 600km away

    I hope they captured that interception on video.
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    Post  Viktor on Thu 08 Aug 2013, 02:20

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    Post  Viktor on Wed 21 Aug 2013, 11:26

    1RL123 - preparing for MAKS-2013

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    Post  Viktor on Fri 23 Aug 2013, 16:43

    AESA Pancir-S1 at MAKS-2013

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    Post  xeno on Fri 23 Aug 2013, 21:17

    No, it is not.
    It is PESA.
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    Post  Zivo on Sat 24 Aug 2013, 03:00

    For one second I thought that second pic showed a Pantsir turret on a Tigr. Very Happy
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    Post  Viktor on Tue 27 Aug 2013, 02:36

    Nice ....

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    Post  Stealthflanker on Tue 27 Aug 2013, 11:11

    Hey Viktor is that a dedicated acquisition radar for Pantsyr ?
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    Post  Viktor on Tue 27 Aug 2013, 12:35

    Stealthflanker wrote:Hey Viktor is that a dedicated acquisition radar for Pantsyr ?
    Yup, 1RL123. Here is its specifications.

    - 0.1m2 RCS at 71km distance
    - 1m2 RCS at 130km

    Real monster


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    Post  TheArmenian on Tue 27 Aug 2013, 14:23

    Indeed it is.
    With that kind of a range, it can serve as an acquisition radar for longer-ranged air defense systems such as BUK.
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    Post  Viktor on Tue 27 Aug 2013, 15:36

    TheArmenian wrote:Indeed it is.
    With that kind of a range, it can serve as an acquisition radar for longer-ranged air defense systems such as BUK.
    It will be interesting to se search radar of Vityaz system too.
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    Post  medo on Tue 27 Aug 2013, 17:13

    This radar gives a lot to Pantsir capabilities. I wonder at what range it could detect stealth planes. Even at 50 km it is enough to deliver targets to fire units inside battery. Russian batteries have them or they have to wait to get them?
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    Post  Mindstorm on Tue 27 Aug 2013, 18:37



    medo wrote: I wonder at what range it could detect stealth planes.
    You can read up medo : 71 km for RCS of 0,1 m2 , 150 km vs 1 m2. (

    Those RCS figures hasn't been selected at random : "stealth" tactical aircraft ,such as F-22 and F-35, have an RCS between 0,1 and 0,5 m2 Wink, "reduced visibility" 4++ generation tactical aircraft have an RCS between 1-3 m2 Wink ).


    Naturally those are specification for export.



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    Post  medo on Wed 28 Aug 2013, 17:10

    It was said, that F-22 and F-35 have smaller RCS than 0,1 m2, so the range will be shorter, but still enough to deliver targets.
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    Post  Viktor on Fri 30 Aug 2013, 13:27

    Premiere of Pancir-S1 command post


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    Item management ZRPK "Shell-C1" demonstrated at MAKS-2013


    Control point can coordinate up to six combat vehicles "Shell-S1", including the move.

    Zhukovsky (Moscow Region), August 30 - RIA Novosti. Paragraph control anti-aircraft missile and gun systems (ZRPK) "Shell-C1" was first presented at the International Aviation and Space Salon MAKS-2013, told RIA Novosti on Friday, Instrument Design Bureau (KBP) Engineer Yuri Nikitin.
    "Now is the premiere - at this air show for the first time showed a control point" - Nikitin said, adding that discussions are underway to supply the control point the Ministry of Defence.


    According to the representative of the CPP, the control point can coordinate up to six combat vehicles "Shell-S1", including in the movement, which is one of its advantages, as of today in the movement no longer works. "We are working on the move - so difficult to detect and defeat a fighting machine", - said the engineer.
    Previously, all the control ZRPK "Shell-C1" was directly from the complex itself, this possibility remains now, but due to the expansion of tasks operators ZRPK proposed to be coordinated from a single point of control: "control point receives the information about the target environment both with their own radar and with war machines "Shell." It can work one station to detect targets in the war machine, and the rest will be turned off - it allows you to hide ZRPK position and avoid being hit by missiles or, to lure the enemy aircraft in the affected area, "- said the source.

    Nikitin said that the management can be conducted from a distance of 10 kilometers from the war machine, the connection in three ways: by radio communication by wire and optovolknu - this is the safest option to overhear anything in this case is almost impossible.

    "Shell-C1" - the Russian self-propelled anti-aircraft missile and gun system (ZRPK) ground-based, designed Instrument Engineering Design Bureau (KBP). Designed for close cover of civilian and military facilities (including long-range air defense systems) from all current and future air attack. Can carry out protection of the object and defended from ground and surface threats.


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    Post  Viktor on Tue 03 Sep 2013, 16:32

    New images of Pancir-S1 command post

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    Post  medo on Tue 03 Sep 2013, 17:23

    ^^^ Only battery radar is missing to have full Pantsir complete.
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    Post  Viktor on Thu 05 Sep 2013, 17:11

    Nice footage from Pancir-S1

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    Post  Viktor on Wed 11 Sep 2013, 16:24

    Pancir-S1 on tracks will appear in Russian Army.

    Rocket-gun complex "Shell" transplanted to the tracks

    New - modernized version of Pancir-S1 will appear in 2017

    Rocket-gun complex "Shell" will appear in the next-generation 2017

    Nice- in a year or two: Maritime Pancir-S1

    Maritime "Shell" will be adopted by the Navy after one or two years
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    Post  medo on Wed 11 Sep 2013, 19:56

    Could we expect tracked Pantsirs in army units in 2014?
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    Post  Viktor on Thu 12 Sep 2013, 00:52

    medo wrote:Could we expect tracked Pantsirs in army units in 2014?
    Who knows. Army is still holding parallel testing of Pancir-S1 and TOR-M2.
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    Post  GarryB on Thu 12 Sep 2013, 02:02

    Keep in mind that for Pantsir-S1 to operate in the new brigades it will need to be mounted on a new vehicle... armata for heavy brigades, Kurganets for medium tracked, Boomerang for medium wheeled but I suspect light wheeled will require a new model... perhaps SOSNA-R with a single 2A38M cannon to keep weight low as light wheeled Typhoon will be in the 10-16 ton class which is 1/3rd to 1/2 the weight of Tunguska (34 tons).

    I suspect the new modernised Pantsir-S1 might incorporate missiles with the option of terminal guidance from the Hermes program with extended range and envelope and much better terminal accuracy and autonomy of fired missiles. I would suspect that half the on board missiles might have IIR or MMW radar terminal guidance... or perhaps both with an integrated seeker, while the other half might be dumb command controlled missiles that are cheaper to use and can be launched at most common non manouvering targets like cruise missiles and bombs etc.

    From the wording of the article:

    " Shell -C1 " - the Russian self-propelled anti-aircraft missile and gun system of ground-based , designed to cover the near- civil and military facilities (including long-range air defense systems ) from all current and future air attack. Can guard defended by an object and from ground and surface threats.

    Can guard defended by an object and from ground and surface threats... so it is a combined AA and ground to ground missile for use against targets on the ground and in the air.

    The naval system will replace Kashtan-M... it will be interesting to see how they maximise stealth... with the Grad rockets they had reloadable pods loaded from below decks... the new HERMES should replace the Grad in precision ground strike... Grad will still be useful against an area attack or large group of enemy ground forces in the open.
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    Post  collegeboy16 on Thu 12 Sep 2013, 15:30

    GarryB wrote:
    I suspect the new modernised Pantsir-S1 might incorporate missiles with the option of terminal guidance from the Hermes program with extended range and envelope and much better terminal accuracy and autonomy of fired missiles. I would suspect that half the on board missiles might have IIR or MMW radar terminal guidance... or perhaps both with an integrated seeker, while the other half might be dumb command controlled missiles that are cheaper to use and can be launched at most common non manouvering targets like cruise missiles and bombs etc.
    For the Armata, they should add more ready to fire missiles... 20 missiles should be enough,
    12 for dumb command and 8 for terminal guided.
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    Post  Zivo on Sat 14 Sep 2013, 06:41

    collegeboy16 wrote:
    GarryB wrote:
    I suspect the new modernised Pantsir-S1 might incorporate missiles with the option of terminal guidance from the Hermes program with extended range and envelope and much better terminal accuracy and autonomy of fired missiles. I would suspect that half the on board missiles might have IIR or MMW radar terminal guidance... or perhaps both with an integrated seeker, while the other half might be dumb command controlled missiles that are cheaper to use and can be launched at most common non manouvering targets like cruise missiles and bombs etc.
    For the Armata, they should add more ready to fire missiles... 20 missiles should be enough,
    12 for dumb command and 8 for terminal guided.

    Agreed. Using a costly Armata chassis for an AA system will limit the number of deployed Armata Pantirs for the heavy brigade. The few they will have should carry as much armament as possible. 18 would make more sense though as the missiles are currently carried on racks with three missiles each.

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