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    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #1

    Post  TR1 on Sat May 31, 2014 7:28 am

    Some fine looking vehicles.

    Really interested in the testing results for the Scorpion, as well as the other new trucks.
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    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #1

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sat May 31, 2014 7:48 am

    TR1 wrote:Some fine looking vehicles.

    Really interested in the testing results for the Scorpion, as well as the other new trucks.

    Makes you wonder why anyone thought it was a good idea to make the Russian ground forces dependent on a foreign supplier for armored trucks *cough, Iveco, cough* when there's plenty of quality vehicles being built domestically. I've especially taken a liking to the Kamaz-63968 Typhoon 6X6, it's a beauty of armored truck:

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    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #1

    Post  TR1 on Sat May 31, 2014 7:54 am

    At the time light Russian mine protected vehicles were crap or non-existent. Actually I am unsure how the Tigr-6A testing even went.
    Also, lots of crazy shit happened in the Serdykov era.

    Threat of losing orders is a good thing, if applied properly. Fault is both with MOD and manufacturers.
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    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #1

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sat May 31, 2014 8:48 am

    TR1 wrote:At the time light Russian mine protected vehicles were crap or non-existent. Actually I am unsure how the Tigr-6A testing even went.
    Also, lots of crazy shit happened in the Serdykov era.

    Threat of losing orders is a good thing, if applied properly. Fault is both with MOD and manufacturers.

    What in your opinion is the model for light protected anti-mine vehicles?
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    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #1

    Post  TR1 on Sat May 31, 2014 9:03 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    TR1 wrote:At the time light Russian mine protected vehicles were crap or non-existent. Actually I am unsure how the Tigr-6A testing even went.
    Also, lots of crazy shit happened in the Serdykov era.

    Threat of losing orders is a good thing, if applied properly. Fault is both with MOD and manufacturers.

    What in your opinion is the model for light protected anti-mine vehicles?

    Hard to say. I am not an expert in the field, but Russia had almost nothing/ what it had sucked or was much larger than say the Iveco. Tigr is bigger, and either way mine-protection was not a part of the original design. How the up-armored one fares I am still not sure about. Mixed reports.
    I am not a huge fan of the "extreme-MRAP" vehicles such as the ones used in A-stan and Iraq, I think they sacrifice too much for widespread Russian army service.
    Assuming it is as good as claimed, the Scorpion-LShA looks like the right light vehicle to replace the thousands of UAZiks used in the Russian mil and MVD.
    I like it a lot. Simple, cheap but clean design.
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    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #1

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sat May 31, 2014 9:14 am

    TR1 wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    TR1 wrote:At the time light Russian mine protected vehicles were crap or non-existent. Actually I am unsure how the Tigr-6A testing even went.
    Also, lots of crazy shit happened in the Serdykov era.

    Threat of losing orders is a good thing, if applied properly. Fault is both with MOD and manufacturers.

    What in your opinion is the model for light protected anti-mine vehicles?

    Hard to say. I am not an expert in the field, but Russia had almost nothing/ what it had sucked or was much larger than say the Iveco. Tigr is bigger, and either way mine-protection was not a part of the original design. How the up-armored one fares I am still not sure about. Mixed reports.
    I am not a huge fan of the "extreme-MRAP" vehicles such as the ones used in A-stan and Iraq, I think they sacrifice too much for widespread Russian army service.
    Assuming it is as good as claimed, the Scorpion-LShA looks like the right light vehicle to replace the thousands of UAZiks used in the Russian mil and MVD.
    I like it a lot. Simple, cheap but clean design.

    Actually your not the only one who's criticized the use of MRAP's in Afghanistan, there's been military spending watch dog groups who've pointed out the obvious that MRAP's built by U.S. companies cost millions of dollars, while the IED's that they encounter only really cost $20, $30, $40, $50 to create. I could type up several pages worth of material of what's wrong with the war in Afghanistan but that's better suited for another thread.
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    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #1

    Post  TheArmenian on Sat May 31, 2014 11:45 am

    More photos


    Armed BULAT and more interestingly, the BTR-82 with new turret


    Armed SCORPIONs


    Rear view of newly presented 8x8 version of TYPHOON-K



    New KAMAZ vehicles
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    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #1

    Post  GarryB on Sat May 31, 2014 11:51 am

    You have to keep in mind that all of a sudden the Russian military was getting real funding, but there had been no funding of the military industrial complex.

    there were no Russian MRAPs because there had been no demand and no funding for such things and then when they got the money the Russian military expected the Russian industry to instantly have something to offer that was world class.

    The reality is that no MIC in the world could have delivered in such a case, and more importantly there is a niche where MRAPs would be worth their cost but most of the time a more normal armoured vehicle will do... these vehicles are replacing 4x4 jeeps they don't need to be tanks... and shouldn't be.

    At the time there was little real choice but now there seems to be a range of options in different weights that have actually achieved export orders...




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    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #1

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sat May 31, 2014 11:08 pm

    TR1 wrote:http://gurkhan.blogspot.com/2014/05/kadex-2014.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+blogspot%2FMshaC+%28Gur+Khan+attacks!%29

    Terminator-2 @ KADEX-2014.

    And a very interesting T-72 behind it.

    http://sc.uploads.ru/vxS87.jpg

    High quality rear image of Terminator-2:

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    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #1

    Post  Viktor on Sun Jun 01, 2014 2:06 am

    New fighting module

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    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #1

    Post  TR1 on Mon Jun 02, 2014 4:51 am

    https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5549/14338953143_f19e6f1e1b_o.jpg

    So it looks like a mockup. An ugly one.
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    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #1

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Mon Jun 02, 2014 7:09 am

    TR1 wrote:https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5549/14338953143_f19e6f1e1b_o.jpg

    So it looks like a mockup. An ugly one.





    ^^^Innovative Human shield frontal protection? Did they get design tips from Matt Stone and Trey Parker?


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    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #1

    Post  GarryB on Mon Jun 02, 2014 11:20 am

    Could be a new standard turret module being shown here on an uparmoured BTR-82....


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    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #1

    Post  Asf on Mon Jun 02, 2014 11:32 am

    GarryB wrote:Could be a new standard turret module being shown here on an uparmoured BTR-82....
    Looks like it
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    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #1

    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Mon Jun 02, 2014 11:52 am

    TheArmenian wrote:

    Armed BULAT and more interestingly, the BTR-82 with new turret

    Every time I see a so-called "MRAP", I think of BTR-152.
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    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #1

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Mon Jun 02, 2014 7:28 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    TR1 wrote:http://gurkhan.blogspot.com/2014/05/kadex-2014.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+blogspot%2FMshaC+%28Gur+Khan+attacks!%29

    Terminator-2 @ KADEX-2014.

    And a very interesting T-72 behind it.

    http://sc.uploads.ru/vxS87.jpg

    High quality rear image of Terminator-2:


    Video and description of Terminator-72:



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