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    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #1

    Post  GarryB on Wed Jun 29, 2011 7:13 am

    I am just wondering of Bomerang or what ever replaces BMP-3 what kind of firepower should it have.

    Boomerang is the wheeled replacement for the BTR, the Kurganets-25 will likely be the BMP replacement... and will likely be called BMP-4.
    Boomerang might be called BTR-95 or perhaps BTR-100 or something.

    They are not planning for now, they are planning for the future so it really depends on what they know about western IFV armour programs.

    I have heard rumours they were working on a 45mm gun that had a 57mm S-60 gun as competition using new ammo including guided shells.

    The performance of the HE shells for these two guns might determine the future of the armament as a good HE shell might make the HE thrower portion of the armament redundant so it might be equipped with a single gun and have a grenade launcher in support.

    Another possibility could be a 100mm rifled gun as fitted to the BMP-3 for indirect HE fire support. With a larger heavier vehicle is could easily possible they might decide on a 120mm gun mortar system which seems to be very popular for Airborne forces on the 2S9 and other vehicles.

    Of course they might go for mixed firepower with half the vehicles armed with high velocity 45mm or 57mm guns and the other half retain the 30mm cannons and 100mm guns of the BMP-3 to give the force more flexibility in firepower.

    Another option might be to let the tracked Kurganets-25s keep the 30mm and 100mm rifled guns and put the high velocity anti armour weapons on the wheeled Boomerangs.

    The thing is that if they can put 125mm guns on the BMD-3 chassis like Sprut then it should be even easier to do the same to these new much larger and heavier vehicles too.

    105mm main guns are very unlikely as Russia has not used that calibre historically a 100mm high velocity gun could be an option but 125mm would be more potent and already developed for the Sprut.

    The large calibre weapon needs to be low velocity to allow a curved trajectory to hit targets behind cover so the 100mm rifled gun of the BMP-3 and the 120mm gun mortar are ideal with large HE shells but relatively low velocities. Standard HE rounds will be much cheaper than any missile yet have direct fire accuracy a a heavy payload.

    A useful addition might be laser homing HE shells for the 100mm or 120mm gun and gun/mortar giving them pinpoint accuracy when needed.

    The BMP-3s are already to get Catherine Thermal sights which should provide night and all weather viewing to 8-10km.

    I would suspect BMP-4 gets at least as good if not better.

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    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #1

    Post  Austin on Wed Jun 29, 2011 9:39 am

    One of the reason why BMP-4 needs heavy firepower is because US is going to go for heavy Infantry Carrier , I think similar to Israel by compromising its amphibious capability for better protection and perhaps firepower.

    Abrams is Model for Army Infantry Carrier

    Some discussion on mp.net here link

    Seems like US will improve its existing M1 and hence we could see new Tanks,ICV and SPH based on M1 chasis and in similar weight category.

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    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #1

    Post  Austin on Wed Jun 29, 2011 1:32 pm

    Since this is a 25T BMP-4 and taking into account that US would move towards a larger ICV , here is what i would see in new BMP

    1 ) Upgrade from current 30 mm rounds to 57 mm round firing smart ammo
    2 ) 100 mm MG should do quite well , they must improve the ballistic characteristics and develop new and improved intelligent ammo like better HEAT to penetrate heavy US ICV
    3 ) Chassis that has integrated MMW Radar and integrated EO/TI system that can track ground vehical and aircraft.
    4 ) Most important best crew comfort and protection possible.
    5 ) Light ERA and Active protection system from all kind of missile including top attack
    6 ) Improved range , higher speed both on land and on water over BMP-3M
    7 ) Improved amphibious capability over BMP-3M

    Thats my list its quite modest and low risk approach with incremental and major improvement where needed and required.
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    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #1

    Post  GarryB on Thu Jun 30, 2011 3:04 am

    The best way for a BMP-4 to take out a vehicle with ABRAM like armour is a diving top attack weapon.

    With a 100mm calibre limitation then slip rings to prevent excessive gyroscopic force and a fairly long round with seeker in the nose, front warhead, and then rocket motor to extend range and over come drag and increase average missile velocity, and in the rear another full calibre warhead.

    The front warhead is a 100mm calibre warhead with a modern metal liner but a hole through the centre for the rear warhead to pass through first.

    Behind the front warhead is a small metal shield to protect the front warhead.

    An extended spike at the nose will set off the rear warhead to detonate through the hole in the front warhead and start penetration of the armour. The front warhead will then detonate with a shorter focal length and continue the penetration through the roof of the target though the explosive used will have aluminium powder mixed in to give an incendiary effect too.

    A few side thrusters will fire in the last 10-20m of flight to make it difficult to intercept and also ensure the missile hits the dead centre of the target.

    MMW radar guidance would probably suffice.

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    Russian Ground Forces: News #1

    Post  Austin on Mon Jul 18, 2011 10:39 am

    Some update on Armata

    http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/6209/
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    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #1

    Post  GarryB on Tue Jul 19, 2011 5:24 am

    So it is as we suspected.

    Armata is a military concept of a family of unified heavy vehicle chassis design that was passed to UVZ. Presumably the other families concepts will be passed to the relevant producers... Kurganets-25 to the makers of BMPs and Kangaroo to the makers of BTRs and the light vehicle to the makers of Volk and Tigr-M.

    The purpose of the Armata family base vehicle is to standardise wheels and suspension and track components, engine and transmission installation, control elements of chassis, driver control interface, onboard electronics and systems, life-support system.

    Chassis construction:
    There are two layout options for the chassis, with engine and transmission at the front and at the rear of the vehicle... the difference in such arrangement aside all components are the same as listed above.

    Transmission:
    Suspension 6 rolling wheels, controlled on the blade shock absorbers, the differential mechanism of turning with the hydraulic gear shift. 12- stepped automatic gearbox with the possibility of manual switching. Control elements: steering control, the change-gear lever and pedal of gas and brake. (note no manual clutch).

    New diesel engine... clearly not a gas turbine and not combined electric drive as it uses a transmission.

    Vehicle types to be created based on this chassis (which is important as the other families will likely have the same equivalent versions too):

    -Tank
    -a BMP/BTR or troop transport
    -a BMPT or fire support vehicle (hooray!!)
    -Command and control vehicles (with tank level armour... likely with basic light armament but more radios and perhaps control equipment to control UAVs or at least receive their data feeds
    -Tube and Rocket artillery support vehicles like Coalition (note Coalition is likely the 65 ton machines they talk about)
    -Air defence vehicles with perhaps a mix of Pantsir-S1 turrets and maybe even gun only 57mm gun armed turrets with AESA radars and IR optics and guided shells
    -support vehicles like the BREM recovery and repair vehicles which need the power to drag a vehicle its own size or larger off the battlefield and mine clearing and perhaps recon vehicles, ambulance vehicles perhaps even frontline transport of ammo or fuel or equipment etc.

    ... so at least 7 different vehicles based on the one platform
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    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #1

    Post  GarryB on Sat Jul 23, 2011 8:13 am

    Just realised that we need to add another system to the Armata family... TOS.

    I guess we can split them up into chassis versions: one with the engine at the back, turret in the centre (manned or unmanned) and the crew in the front of the tank and the other with the engine and driver in the front, perhaps a small manned or unmanned turret in the centre and compartment in the rear for troops etc.

    So with the engine at the rear would suit:
    - Main Battle Tank
    - BMPT fire support vehicle
    - Tube and Rocket artillery support:
    + Coalition (152mm tube)
    + TOS (rocket thermobaric and incendiary)
    + Perhaps a version of the new Hurricane system with two centrally mounted rocket pods like TOS?
    - Pantsir-S1 probably doesn't need easy rear exit so it can go here and any developments using 45mm or 57mm guns with guided shells could probably go here too.
    - support vehicles:
    + BREM recovery and repair vehicle
    + Mine clearing vehicle
    + recon platform able to operate underwater to recon riverbeds etc.


    The vehicles that would benefit from a front mounted engine include most of the vehicles that require easy access or entry and exit to the contents of the vehicle:

    - BMP/BTR or troop transport
    - Command and control vehicles (with tank level armour... likely with basic light armament but more radios and perhaps control equipment to control UAVs or at least receive their data feeds.
    - support vehicles:
    + ambulance vehicles
    + frontline transport vehicle for ammo or fuel or equipment etc.

    Of course the fact that currently the MSTA is based on a tank chassis with the engine at the rear is largely because it is tank based and there were no front mounted engine options.
    Perhaps with the choice they might go for front mounted engine models of tube and rocket artillery.

    There is also the possibility of adding new artillery vehicles... currently the 120mm gun mortar seems very popular so there might be a heavy model of the Vena for example.
    They used to have a very capable 160mm towed mortar in service that fired very useful 40kg bombs that might be useful for heavy armour use... most targets have frontal cover but few have top cover hard enough to stop a 40kg HE shell. In forests or cities a vertical plunging round is rather more effective than a faster travelling flatter shooting round from a large gun.
    Note the BMP-2 upgrade has both a 30mm grenade launcher on the roof of its turret and a 30mm high velocity auto cannon in the front of its turret.
    It would appear that both cancel each other out... why would you want a 30mm low velocity grenade launcher when you have a high velocity cannon in the same calibre.

    The simple fact is that the high velocity 30mm cannon would not be able to engage targets behind a small ridge or low hill or sand bank effectively, while the much lower velocity 30mm grenade launcher will happily lob grenades over such an obstruction. Conversely if an enemy helo appeared or a enemy light vehicle then the high velocity and armour piercing rounds of the auto cannon mean hits are more likely and the damage will be greater, so for different targets you want different weapons.
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    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #1

    Post  medo on Sun Jul 24, 2011 7:14 pm

    Armata family is really big. I only miss BMO-T there, but I don't think army really need them in larger numbers.
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    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #1

    Post  GarryB on Mon Jul 25, 2011 5:37 am

    The medium brigade is split into two families of wheeled and tracked and likely the various equivalent vehicles will be split between the two vehicle types depending on the chassis requirements... of course it is perfectly possible that there might be two versions of the same vehicle so there is a tracked and wheeled version to make the unit more flexible.
    Wheeled gun armed vehicle and of course a light tracked tank with a heavy gun is perhaps a good example.

    The light brigade will likely have a mix of 2, 4, and perhaps 6 wheeled vehicles too, yet for the family concept to work it would make sense to make sure they are all part of the same family. I have seen a heavy 6 wheel vehicle based on either the Volk or the Tigr-M I think.

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    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #1

    Post  Austin on Thu Aug 18, 2011 1:56 pm

    some info on Armata and T-90

    http://vpk.name/news/56616_rossiiskaya_armiya_k_2020_godu_vzglyad_optimista.html

    Will be purchased and equipment for ground forces. Thus, according to the director of the Federal Service Rosoboronzakaz Sergey Maev, 2020 Russian fleet of armored forces will consist of half-T-90 tanks from the tanks and half the new sample. At the same official let slip about the combat characteristics of new cars. The new tank will get a higher fire power, more powerful ammunition and shooting range. Work is underway to build missiles with a range of 7 km. (Now the Russian Army is a tank missiles with a range of 5 km). . Manageability tank will be increased by the use of various automatic control systems. Average speed of vehicles on rough terrain should reach 50-60 km / h, against the current of 30-50 km / h. In addition, one of the main requirements for the tank crew will be the ability to conduct combat operations within 24 hours without leaving the car.


    T-90 justifiably criticized, but this machine is well suited to be the "workhorse" and can remain in service for many years. This tank is capable of withstanding an explosion 30 kiloton nuclear bomb at a distance of 700 meters and can travel underwater. But its main advantages - it's maintainability, simplicity, possibility of use in harsh climatic conditions and, of course, low price (about $ 1.8 million for export versions).
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    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #1

    Post  ahmedfire on Fri Aug 19, 2011 5:54 am

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    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #1

    Post  Cyberspec on Wed Aug 24, 2011 3:57 am

    Some fresh news...

    "Аrmata" rules!

    For more than two years, lasted battles about the need to create a new platform for promising heavy Russian armor. Development work in this direction began last spring after UKBTM concept won the competition . However, only now the General Staff was pleased to approve the program. Of course, this decision will be a good gift for Taghilsky tank builders, coinciding with a bunch of anniversaries: the 75th anniversary of the actual "Uralvagonzavod", the 70th anniversary of UKBTM, 70 years of the 1st UVZ tank, the 65th anniversary Day of tankers.

    General Staff approved a program to create a whole family of new armored vehicles based on a single tracked platform for the Russian Ground Forces, reported on Tuesday "Interfax" referring to a source in the military-industrial complex.

    "This program provides for the development of modern heavy tanks, infantry fighting vehicles, obstacle clearing vehicles which are to equip the tank and Moto-Rifle brigades of the Army "- a spokesman said. He noted that the new tank on a modular basis and a unified chasis "Armata" is scheduled to be adopted in the Army in 2015

    (includes drawings of the new chasis)
    http://gurkhan.blogspot.com/2011/08/blog-post_23.html

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    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #1

    Post  GarryB on Wed Aug 24, 2011 7:04 am

    "This program provides for the development of modern heavy tanks, infantry fighting vehicles, obstacle clearing vehicles which are to equip the tank and Moto-Rifle brigades of the Army "- a spokesman said.

    That is interesting, they are going to retain the Tank and the Motor-Rifle brigades, so they will have heavy, medium, and light tank brigades and heavy, medium, and light motor-rifle brigades.

    Note: motor-rifle brigades are just motorised infantry brigades, so these are tank brigades and infantry brigades. The tank brigades have BMPs and BTRs, and the infantry brigades have tanks... the difference is in the proportion. Tank brigades have mostly tanks with infantry support, while Motor Rifle brigades have mostly troop carriers but with tank support.
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    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #1

    Post  Cyberspec on Wed Aug 24, 2011 8:18 am

    I think by Moto-Rifle they refer to Mechanised Infantry brigades. Basically, equipped with BMP's and BTR's (3 battalions) + a battalion of tanks.

    A tank brigade has 2 tank battalions + 2 x M-R battalions according to the new set up....I don't know much about the planned light brigades.

    Someone correct me if I'm wrong...I'm writing from memory.

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    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #1

    Post  Austin on Wed Aug 24, 2011 8:22 am

    Does the design looks promising ?

    So the common thing among all is the 6 wheeled chasis ?
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    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #1

    Post  Cyberspec on Wed Aug 24, 2011 10:15 am

    I haven't looked into it in detail and details are scetchy to begin with. From what I've seen so far, it suppose to incorporate features from the 'Object 195' (T-95). For example, the crew compartment is suppose to be separate from the main gun and ammo, have sensors with a 360 deg coverage, while being less complex and cheaper to produce.

    This IFV seems to be equipped with AU-220M turret with a 57mm gun and is promoted in different versions for various roles....or maybe I'm interpreting the picture wrong?



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    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #1

    Post  GarryB on Wed Aug 24, 2011 11:59 am

    This IFV seems to be equipped with AU-220M turret with a 57mm gun and is promoted in different versions for various roles....or maybe I'm interpreting the picture wrong?

    I knew that turret looked familiar.

    The problem I have is the lack of a BMPT vehicle.

    As is currently in operation they have tanks but they also have BMPs with considerable direct and indirect fire power capability. The problem as I see it is that after taking all that tank ammo and separating it from the crew for safety, it really doesn't make sense to fill the crew compartment of their troop carriers with 100mm HE shells that could explode if the vehicle is penetrated and kill the whole squad inside.
    Because of this I would expect the BTR-T to have maybe a 12.7mm or 14.5mm HMG or 30mm cannon at most in a very small turret.
    This leaves the new units seriously under armed compared with the armament now despite an enormous increase in protection levels.
    To fill this gap the BMPT was the ideal concept but with IMHO poor implementation.
    The role is direct and indirect heavy fire support.
    4 ATGMs and two 30mm cannons, a 30cal MG and two 30mm grenade launchers in limited bow positions just isn't good enough.
    They need the sustained HE firepower of the 100mm gun of the BMP-3, but with the ammo separated from the crew compartment in a turret bustle autoloader... perhaps even a belt feed system with an external gun and a dual feed to allow either standard HE or Missile loading.
    Coaxial with that they can have an external 30mm cannon and at the back of the turret they could put a grenade launcher. In fact a service date of 2015 lets make the back of the turret mounted grenade launcher the 40mm Balkan as its heavier grenades and longer range and caseless ammo look good to me. Fit it the same way the BMP-2 upgrade has it with the ability to elevate independently but turns with the main turret and with built in 300-400 round ammo capacity.
    The simple bow positions for the grenade launchers can be replaced by mini turrets with externally mounted guns and they can each have twinned PKTs and Balkan 40mm grenade launchers each giving a much wider field of fire and better elevation and depression.

    This firepower vehicle doesn't carry a squad in the back... there will be a firewall and roof blowout panels and a full ammo reload for 100mm, 30mm(30x165mm), and 40mm grenades plus 10,000 rounds of 30 cal ammo.

    As a compliment vehicle they could have another BMPT with the 57mm gun turret with a much larger properly armoured turret and the 20 round auto feed system can be doubled so that it becomes a dual feed mechanism with two 20 round auto feed systems, so each ready to fire magazine can contain a different type of ammo... say 10 guided shells and 10 HVAPDS in one, and 20 HE Frag shells in the other, so that with the press of a button it could load a particular shell and with the press of another button the next shell is of a different type.
    This vehicle could have a quad launcher for Kornet so it will have a mix of laser beam riding and SALH weapons.

    The 57mm gun wont have the HE power of the 100mm gun but it will be flatter shooting and more accurate, plus the guided shells can replace laser homing missiles, plus the HVAPDS rounds should make the Bradley and Warrior obsolete in terms of the extra addon armour is not really viable so they will need to go to new designs.

    A turret mounted 40mm grenade launcher would compliment the main gun as its more curved trajectory will be more useful against targets on dead ground or behind cover like buildings or walls.

    ATM the 57mm seems to be based on the round used by the S-60 anti aircraft gun, but I would like to see them develop a new 57mm round based on a telescoped case new design with more power, but in a more compact and efficient shape to maximise ammo storage and ease ammo handling and loading and unloading mechanisms.

    I have read that there has been a competition for the armament of the BMP-4 and it is reportedly between a 45mm cannon and a 57mm cannon. I rather suspect the new 45mm round has significant ammo handling advantages over the old 57mm calibre round so a new 57mm round along with improving its performance (on target... ie ammo efficiency) would also improve storage and handling as well.

    I think by Moto-Rifle they refer to Mechanised Infantry brigades. Basically, equipped with BMP's and BTR's (3 battalions) + a battalion of tanks.

    A tank brigade has 2 tank battalions + 2 x M-R battalions according to the new set up....I don't know much about the planned light brigades.

    Yep, that sounds about right...

    So the new Motorrifle heavy brigade will have 3 battalions of BTRTs based on the Armata chassis with the engine at the front and ramp door at the back with no wheeled armoured personel carriers and one battalion of Armata based tanks with engine at the rear of the chassis.
    The new Motorrifle medium brigade will have 3 battalions of wheeled Kangaroo 25 ton APCs and tracked Kurganets-25 25 ton IFVs, and a battalion of medium tanks on Kangaroo and/or Kurganets-25 chassis.
    The new Motorrifle light brigade will have 3 battalions of Boomerang and Tigr-M type vehicles and a battalion of vehicles a bit like Sprut used in the direct fire support role.

    The tank brigades should be equipped with all the same vehicles but in the different proportion of 2 battalions of APCs and IFVs, and 2 of tanks based on the respective weight class family of vehicles... Armata for heavy, Kurganets-25 and Kangaroo for medium and Boomerang and Tigr-M for light brigades.

    The tank or direct fire support vehicle for the light brigade needs to share the mobility of the rest of the unit otherwise they will end up with the same problems as they had when they used KV-1 and T-34 and T-26 tanks in one formation... the T-34s got there first and the KV-1s arrived much later. The T-26s didn't really matter because they didn't last very long anyway.
    Perhaps if the wheeled vehicles of the light brigades are too light for 125mm guns (should be fine for the 25 ton wheeled vehicles and 25 ton tracked vehicles of the medium brigades) then perhaps the turret of BMPT fitted to a wheeled vehicle might offer a solution. Whether fitted with a 57mm gun with 40mm grenade launcher or the 100mm/30mm/40mm combo either should offer significant direct and indirect firepower, and with external gun mounts they don't need heavy armour protection to operate with tanks. This lack of extra weight would be important for a light vehicle. The turrets could be fitted to the 6 wheeled version of the Volks (modified Tigr-Ms) in a heavier vehicle for the turret and ammo weight.

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    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #1

    Post  Austin on Wed Aug 24, 2011 1:51 pm

    Gur Khan blog on Armata does not show how the new tank will look like.

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    Post  Austin on Wed Aug 24, 2011 2:54 pm

    Are both these IFV ? why one has 57 mm gun and others doesnt , Will this replace BMP-3 ?



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    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #1

    Post  Cyberspec on Wed Aug 24, 2011 2:57 pm

    Austin wrote:Gur Khan blog on Armata does not show how the new tank will look like.

    Probably something like the T-95 but smaller

    P.S.

    I think the top one is the Tank, now that I had a better look at it.

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    Post  Austin on Wed Aug 24, 2011 3:02 pm

    Most certainly Armata has weight of 55 plus more Tons as per older report on it.

    Why does the tank have 6 wheel on tracks , wouldnt giving it 7 wheel and bigger track for bigger tank will give it lower ground pressure ?
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    Some update on Armata

    Post  GarryB on Thu Aug 25, 2011 4:11 am

    T-95 art from 'Popular Mechanics' (posted by 'cromeshnic' at the Otvaga site)...what a MONSTER

    Nice... thanks for posting.

    The firepower and protection level seams deadly , although it has a higher turret but its also well protected , This was a single shot kill weapon for any NATO tank from any angle.

    Keep in mind this is art... not photos. From what we have heard of the T-95 its 150+mm calibre gun would have been specifically designed to deal with current and near future tanks so I suspect its performance will be formidible.

    I rather doubt Armata will have that gun however though it might get it as a mid life upgrade in the 2020s... or more likely something based on it, or perhaps even new technology EM powered gun.

    Gur Khan blog on Armata does not show how the new tank will look like.

    Very important to remember that currently the new tank and its family are a Russian state secret and so these drawings are just drawings. No official design sketches have been released so these drawings can be considered fan art just like the drawings of PAK FA before it was revealed. They could be close or could be miles off. Anyone actually releasing pictures that suddenly gets arrested and put in jail... well let me look at those pictures because they will be worth a close look... Smile

    Are both these IFV ? why one has 57 mm gun and others doesnt , Will this replace BMP-3 ?

    It is likely that they will have a BMP-4Heavy , BMP-4Medium (tracked along with a BTR-Medium wheeled), and a BTR-Light Wheeled.
    The vehicles used for troop transport will not have particularly heavy armament otherwise the risk to the squad of a penetration would be too great... no point in removing the tank ammo from the crew compartment to make tank crew safer if all their supporting infantry are killed in ammo explosions because the BMPs have 40 rounds of 100mm HE ammo in them.

    I would suspect there will be troop transports with 50 cal external remote controlled guns and perhaps MG turrets with external MGs and grenade launchers, plus much more heavily armed fire support vehicles with 45/57mm guns or 100mm/30mm gun combinations plus MGs and grenade launchers.

    Remember they rejected the BMPT design, not the BMPT concept. One of the critisims of the BMPT was that a BMP-3 with its 100mm gun and 30mm cannon and bow MGs or grenade launchers and 100mm gun fired missiles (Cool had better firepower than the BMPT with two 30mm cannon and mgs and grenade launchers and four ATGMs.

    The problem is that the BMP-3 can't go into areas where tanks can go safely because of lack of armour.

    An Armata tank with the 125mm gun removed and replaced with the armament of the BMP-3 in external mounts so the 100mm ammo and 30mm ammo is stored in an external turret bustle would be ideal... add a rear mounted 40mm Balkan grenade launcher and replace the two bow mgs with mini turrets with externally mounted PKT MGs and 40mm Balkan grenade launchers with a wide field of view and elevation.
    Raise the main turret level so the front turrets clear the main gun and so the main gun depression can be 20 degrees and elevation is up to 80 degrees with a dual feed autoloader for the 100mm gun to allow 100mm HE and guided missile at the push of a button with a coaxial 30mm cannon.

    In fact because it is externally mounted you could make the 30mm cannon based on the GSh-301 used in Russian fighters with a much heavier and much longer barrel with a longer barrel life that retains the 1,800 rpm rate of fire. On the Mig-29 the gun is computer controlled so the pilot pulls the trigger and with a lock on the target he manoeuvres into a shooting position. The computer continuously calculates the angles and position and distance to the target using radar or laser and IRST and when the computer calculates a guaranteed hit it releases a burst of gunfire. The computer during tests used to fire bursts of 5-7 rounds only but the targets were being destroyed because most shells hit the target. A Mig designer said if they had known it was going to be so effective they would have planned for a 75 round ammo capacity instead of the 150 shells carried normally.
    Using such a control system should allow the commander to fire very short bursts or single shot where needed for ground targets where rate of fire is not so important. For aerial targets it would allow longer bursts and the 1,800 rpm rate of fire of the GSh-301 would be much more useful than the two 2A42 cannon used on the BMPT... and lighter too.

    The only problem is that the GSh-301 uses electrically primed ammo instead of percussion fired ammo used by the ground forces as it offers more control in terms of rate of fire and burst length.

    I think the top one is the Tank, now that I had a better look at it.

    I think you might be right now that you mention it.

    Most certainly Armata has weight of 55 plus more Tons as per older report on it.

    Different vehicles in the family will have different weights.

    I think they said it would weigh from 50 to 65 tons, so the HMG armed APC will be the 50 ton vehicle, while I suspect the artillery model that looks a bit like coalition will be the 65 ton model... it will be interesting to see if the artillery model has one gun or two.

    The twin gun coalition was supposed to be a joint program with the navy so I am looking forward to see twin 152mm guns on their larger ships... Smile

    Why does the tank have 6 wheel on tracks , wouldnt giving it 7 wheel and bigger track for bigger tank will give it lower ground pressure ?

    Normally you don't lengthen a vehicle to reduce its ground pressure... it is much cheaper and simpler to just use wider tracks. When you have long relatively narrow tracks adding a metre or so of length will also add weight to the vehicle whereas adding width to the track is a more efficient way of reducing ground pressure without increasing the vehicle weight or design much.

    Remember if the track has a ground contact length of 7 metres that is 40cm wide increasing the length to 8 metres adds an area 1m long and 40cm wide times two (one for each track). If you add 20cm to the with of the track however you are adding another half a track (7m x 20cm) times two which is like adding a whole third new track which has a much greater impact on the ground pressure without adding any weight to the vehicle (except the extra track area).

    The main reason for adding length is to increase internal hull volume... perhaps for a bigger engine or larger internal crew area, or to increase protection by making the front hull armour more steeply angled... say from 60 degrees to 80 degrees.

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    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #1

    Post  Austin on Sat Sep 10, 2011 6:40 am

    The rearmament of the Russian Armed Forces to a new generation of tanks will begin in 2014

    MOSCOW, September 10 - RIA Novosti. Large-scale rearmament of the Russian army tanks on the new generation will take place during the period from 2014 to 2020, as a result the share of new tanks will be up to 70%, told RIA Novosti on Saturday, the eve of the Day tanker, a spokesman for the Russian Defense Ministry Ground Forces Colonel Sergey Vlasov.

    According to leading military experts from Russia, currently being developed fourth-generation two tanks - the T-95 and T-99. Which of them will eventually be adopted for the Russian Defense Ministry is unknown.


    "At present, Russian scientists are developing a new generation of tanks, for the period from 2014 to 2020, planned a massive rearmament of the existing fleet to a new generation of tanks of up to 70%," - said.


    He said that at present Army tanks equipped with a T-72 T-80 T-90 and their modifications, and the state arms program envisages that by 2014 will be renovated and modernized T-72 tanks.


    "Thorough repaired, T-72 on its performance characteristics are not inferior to modern designs," - said Vlasov.


    According to him, the main direction of modernization of the tanks - increasing the firepower of weapons and command handling, which will increase the range of target identification at night to 6 times. In addition, the upgraded T-72 will have increased range of active fire, will conduct automatic target tracking, and drop by one-third the time of preparation of the first shot and will be able to interface with software and hardware systems.
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    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #1

    Post  Cyberspec on Sat Sep 10, 2011 10:20 am

    Austin wrote:....currently being developed fourth-generation two tanks - the T-95 and T-99. Which of them will eventually be adopted for the Russian Defense Ministry is unknown...

    So I'm guessing the mentioned T-99 is the Armata ?

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