Ok, so I often have some random Ground Forces photos, or news tidbits, that are not quite ideal for say the T-90M thread, or whatnot, so I am goign to dump everything I find in here, I think it will be easier than starting new threads for everything, or posting in a thread that is not exactly for that subject.

http://www.otvaga2004.narod.ru/publ_w8_2012/0031_ucheniya.htm

Great photos, 4th Separate Tank Brigade, 29th March 2012, T-80U, BMP-2, etc.

If you are proposing a photos thread can I suggest we move it to the "Military Multimedia" section in General discussion?

That would also mean if you get naval or aircraft photos you want to post they could be posted without having to make a new thread...

Works for me, but what about non-photo news tidbits, or random info about something Ground Forces specific?

I don't want to clutter up specific threads with general info.

Well we could split it into a photos thread in the multimedia section and a news thread in the Russian Army section.

Really depends how it turns out I guess... is it a news thread that has the odd photo related to the news, or is it a photos thread that includes news about the content of the photos.

Yes, I realise that sounds like I am asking is it 6 or half a dozen...

The question is, is this going to be a photo thread that includes news or a news thread that includes photos... perhaps we could leave it for the moment and see which way it develops?

BTW nice set of photos in that first link... thanks for posting

http://bmpd.livejournal.com/192652.html

Contract signed with UAZ, for deliveries to the MVD in 2012. Contract contains deliveries of 2384 vehicles, including Patriot and Hunter.

This is...weird.

http://lenta.ru/news/2012/04/03/billions/

135 BMD-1s will be modernized for 1.9 billion roubles, or 14.8 million roubles per unit.
But the modernization is to bring them up to....drumroll...BMD-2 status .

TR1 wrote:This is...weird.

http://lenta.ru/news/2012/04/03/billions/

135 BMD-1s will be modernized for 1.9 billion roubles, or 14.8 million roubles per unit.
But the modernization is to bring them up to....drumroll...BMD-2 status .

This is the new army that Putin promised? Modernization of BMD-1, BMP-1, T-72 etc etc?

Strange decision to modernize old BMD-1 instead of buying new BMD-4. Will they install newer turret from BTR-82A or from older BMD-2?

Good question.

BTR-82 with the 30mm is supposedly not very accurate when firing anything more than single shots.

True, but it is still better than anything older, because it have stabilization and ballistic computer as well as combined day/night sight. The only unknown thing in BTR-82A FCS is laser range finder inside day/night sight, but ballistic computer could work only with laser range finder, because it need range data, so I could assume it have laser range finder.

I think it is a case of economics.

If they buy BMD-3s then they wont have any money in the budget in 3 years time when everyone else will be getting Boomerang-10 and Boomerang-25 and Kyurganets-25 and Aramata.

I rather suspect this is an upgraded T-72 for 1/5th the price of a new T-90AM so the troops still get thermals and upgraded communications and navigations etc and battle management systems to practise with and learn to use, and when Armata becomes available they will have more money to buy the new vehicle in larger batches.

BTR-82 with the 30mm is supposedly not very accurate when firing anything more than single shots.

It might sound a little strange, but if you are firing bursts then you don't want extreme accuracy.

Against a manoeuvrable target firing a projectile that once it leaves the muzzle travels a fixed trajectory to impact you need a bit of spread of shots to ensure a kill.

There are plenty of videos on Youtube showing Tunguska or Kashtan shooting down aircraft and indeed drones where the camera follows the drone and all of a sudden a shower of tracer crosses the frame as the burst of shells travel past. It isn't a narrow beam of shells all following the exact same trajectory, it is a spread like a shotgun blast.

Very simply the BTR-82 is a bit light for the 30mm 2A72 cannon it carries, though its longer recoil stroke and lower rate of fire tend to make it more accurate than the 2A42, it also introduces less smoke into the vehicle when fired too.

Against aircraft or a group of enemy troops then a burst of fire needs a bit of spread to be effective.

The idea that the 30mm cannon is some sort of sniper weapon that will be used to target a certain part of an enemy armoured vehicle is a bit naive.

Well the same 2A72 on the BMP-3 has no such issues on the firing range. It can move and hit tank sized targets repeatedly. This is of because of the installation, a heavier turret, the 100mm paired gun as a stiffener, and tracked chassis. BTR-80 installation is much simper and you can see the gun spassing all over the place when burst firing.

http://otvaga2004.mybb.ru/viewtopic.php?id=516&p=26

You can see here the discussion. Apparently BTR-82 30mm couldn't even hit a tank size target at 1km!
2A42 is a laser beam compared to that thing!

The way I see it, seeing as the only environment the BTR-82 is likely to be used in in the next couple of of years is in the North Caucasus region, in urban enviroments, up against a bunch of poorly funded "militants", the BTR-82's cannon is fine for it's job. I think all it needs to be able to really do is hit the broad side of a barn, literally That's pretty much how things go up there right? Spetsnaz surround the building with the bad guys inside, shoot off a few rounds, fire off a few RPG's, kill a Haji or two, then the BTR comes in, takes down the building, and finishes the job. Am I right?

Just my opinion

This is of because of the installation, a heavier turret, the 100mm paired gun as a stiffener, and tracked chassis. BTR-80 installation is much simper and you can see the gun spassing all over the place when burst firing.

The 30mm 2A72 on a BMP-3 has a shared mount with the 100mm rifled main gun which absorbs a lot of recoil. Add to that the extra mass in the turret and the vehicle itself and you answer your own question.

Short of having a recoil spade at the back like a self propelled artillery piece there is not a huge amount they can do.

Actually fitting the muzzle brake of the 2A42 on the 2A72 might help a little.

The irony is that the BMP-2 can't fire at its high rate of fire for any length of time because it fills the crew compartment with smoke. The longer recoil stroke of the 2A72 was not to improve accuracy but to keep the chamber closed for longer to reduce the smoke in the crew compartment.

The 30mm 2A72 is quite a powerful weapon for a vehicle that size.

Spetsnaz surround the building with the bad guys inside, shoot off a few rounds, fire off a few RPG's, kill a Haji or two, then the BTR comes in, takes down the building, and finishes the job. Am I right?

... close... it is usually an RPO that brings the house down...

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... close... it is usually an RPO that brings the house down...

Dang! Beaten once again by Garry