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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #1

    Post  GarryB on Fri Oct 03, 2014 10:06 am

    Indeed Trucks move much faster on modern roads and are cheaper to operate and simpler to maintain than tracked vehicles.

    I suspect the turret is a modular system that can be dropped into any suitable vehicle chassis or trailer.

    the Naval version will have under deck ammo handling and likely two barrels, but otherwise should be similar.


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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #1

    Post  George1 on Tue Oct 14, 2014 2:49 pm

    "Armata" will be equipped with unique high-strength armor

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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #1

    Post  Austin on Sat Oct 18, 2014 4:31 pm

    More details on


    State contracts for "Armata" and "Kurganets-25"


    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1026260.html

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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #1

    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Sun Oct 19, 2014 7:21 am



    Not very accurate.

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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #1

    Post  GarryB on Sun Oct 19, 2014 9:10 am

    So not much new in the contracts... UVZ will build Armata and Kurganets will build Kurganets...

    No real shocks there....


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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #1

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sun Oct 19, 2014 8:35 pm

    GarryB wrote:So not much new in the contracts... UVZ will build Armata and Kurganets will build Kurganets...

    No real shocks there....

    You mean Kurganmash will build kurganets...

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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #1

    Post  Mike E on Sun Oct 19, 2014 8:56 pm

    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:Not very accurate.
    What do you expect from a render like that... I'd say that most of them so far have been way off, but I cannot really say that until we see it in person. - So make it look like a T-90-relative with a pushed-back turret, other look like a simple squarish turret on the middle of the hull, and the rest make it look like either this thing or a Black Eagle. - All I care about is its size and height, the lower the better as showed so wonderfully by Russian tanks for decades now.

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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #1

    Post  GarryB on Mon Oct 20, 2014 10:53 am

    You mean Kurganmash will build kurganets...

    yes, that is what I meant... Embarassed


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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #1

    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Mon Oct 20, 2014 1:16 pm

    Will the entire russian army tank doctrine have to be tailored to the armata MBTs characteristics, i.e. degraded is not required, which would entail immediate retreat if a loading or weapon malfunction is experienced, and prohibition of deep assault operations due to the chance the tank would be beyond the range of repair depots.

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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #1

    Post  GarryB on Tue Oct 21, 2014 10:44 am

    degraded is not required, which would entail immediate retreat if a loading or weapon malfunction is experienced, and prohibition of deep assault operations due to the chance the tank would be beyond the range of repair depots.


    Hahahaha... do you think a manual gear box is a huge step backwards because it is more complicated and "mechanical" and requires more maintainence?

    The Armata will be able to clear dud rounds and solve simple loading problems itself.. any tank can be disabled by shooting off a track... it is not as if tanks are super things that can withstand anything and keep moving forward.

    An enemy shell through the turret could damage the loading mechanism... the same thing in a western tank could kill all the crew in the turret and still stop the loading mechanism.


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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #1

    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Wed Oct 22, 2014 1:34 pm



    Hahahaha... do you think a manual gear box is a huge step backwards because it is more complicated and "mechanical" and requires more maintainence?
    Yes. Manual transmission is completely superior for military use. Better fuel efficiency on rough terrain, more reliability, more simplicity. Automatic is for for expensive cars driven by lazy brats.

    The Armata will be able to clear dud rounds and solve simple loading problems itself.. any tank can be disabled by shooting off a track... it is not as if tanks are super things that can withstand anything and keep moving forward.

    An enemy shell through the turret could damage the loading mechanism... the same thing in a western tank could kill all the crew in the turret and still stop the loading mechanism.
    What if turret motor stops during battle? What if the autoloader  engine breaks? What if the automatic fire suppression system breaks in a zone that is inaccessible by the crew? What if all cameras are broken by HE blasts?

    These are a few of the things that could happen to an unmanned turret tank that would make it useless to the crew without further accessibility and degraded mode.[/quote]

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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #1

    Post  Asf on Wed Oct 22, 2014 1:50 pm

    What if turret motor stops during battle? What if the autoloader  engine breaks? What if the automatic fire suppression system breaks in a zone that is inaccessible by the crew? What if all cameras are broken by HE blasts?

    we should go back to the spear phalanx

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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #1

    Post  Mike E on Wed Oct 22, 2014 5:26 pm

    KomissarBojanchev wrote:

    Hahahaha... do you think a manual gear box is a huge step backwards because it is more complicated and "mechanical" and requires more maintainence?
    Yes. Manual transmission is completely superior for military use. Better fuel efficiency on rough terrain, more reliability, more simplicity. Automatic is for for expensive cars driven by lazy brats.

    The Armata will be able to clear dud rounds and solve simple loading problems itself.. any tank can be disabled by shooting off a track... it is not as if tanks are super things that can withstand anything and keep moving forward.

    An enemy shell through the turret could damage the loading mechanism... the same thing in a western tank could kill all the crew in the turret and still stop the loading mechanism.
    What if turret motor stops during battle? What if the autoloader  engine breaks? What if the automatic fire suppression system breaks in a zone that is inaccessible by the crew? What if all cameras are broken by HE blasts?

    These are a few of the things that could happen to an unmanned turret tank that would make it useless to the crew without further accessibility and degraded mode.
    You could say the same crap about any modern tank... That being said, manual's in tanks are still a good option and are (as you said) more reliable, which is always a priority. 

    The "auto-loader engine" won't break, it is a simple electric motor (they basically can't break unless they are a cheap servo).

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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #1

    Post  higurashihougi on Thu Oct 23, 2014 6:45 am

    KomissarBojanchev wrote:What if turret motor stops during battle? What if the autoloader  engine breaks? What if the automatic fire suppression system breaks in a zone that is inaccessible by the crew? What if all cameras are broken by HE blasts?

    Then another Armata marches foward to cover the wounded one and continued the fight.

    Armata will not dash into the battle alone with no cover or no cooperation. We have combined army which has many types of troops and weapons, each has its own tasks and supplements each others.

    And when people designed an unmanned turret vehicle they are expected to tests it again and again to fix all the problems, and to increase the protection in where needs it.

    Russia do not has the tendency to create craps like F-35 so you do not need to worry too much.

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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #1

    Post  GarryB on Thu Oct 23, 2014 7:27 am

    What if turret motor stops during battle?

    The same thing that happens to a tank with a manned turret when something goes wrong... they try to fix it themselves, and if they can't they withdraw and get the problem fixed and then return to battle.

    What if the autoloader engine breaks?

    What if an M1 Abrams hits a bump while the loader is loading a round and he breaks his wrist?

    What if all cameras are broken by HE blasts?

    What if the enemy insurgents throw wet paint at all the optics and viewing ports on an Abrams?

    For the armata they might have a direct datalink with an overhead UAV and still see better the terrain around and any enemy positions than an Abrams.

    hese are a few of the things that could happen to an unmanned turret tank that would make it useless to the crew without further accessibility and degraded mode.

    But with a manned turret the three men in an Abrams can fix everything that goes wrong and will continue fighting?

    Bullshit.

    If a tank is no longer able to fight the crew will bail and a recovery unit will take it back for repairs if possible or burn it to prevent it falling in the hands of the enemy.

    If it can move it will return on its own power.

    That being said, manual's in tanks are still a good option and are (as you said) more reliable, which is always a priority.

    Really? I had a manual gear car from the 1970s and it was rubbish... endless problems with the gearbox and several had to be replaced. In the Late 1980s I bought an automatic and have had the car since then... never had any problems with the car.

    Manual means bad driver can ride the clutch and do all sorts of bad things.

    It is pretty clear you have never driven a heavy vehicle... double declutching in a heavy vehicle is actually hard work... automatic transmission is not a luxury and protects the mechanism from idiot conscripts.



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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #1

    Post  acatomic on Sat Nov 01, 2014 11:41 pm

    Thanks to GurKhan


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