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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #1

    Post  TR1 on Thu Sep 25, 2014 7:35 am

    Nobody wants to buy T-80. Well, ok. Maybe one or two countries do. Yemen has been the only one to buy used T-80s. A few nations bought T-80U.

    But the point is it has been barely pushed for export and with good reason. The gas turbine consumption. It is pricier to operate. T-72 has been the big export commodity for both Russia and Ukraine, as far as used tanks go.
    And we are not talking about them just taking fully functional tanks and cutting them up. They operate them until they run out of service life, then the plan is to get rid of them (though they seem to be soldiering on for now).

    So anyone looking to get the tank would have to pay to get it Kapremonted, and then deal with a vehicle fundamentally more expensive to run than T-72. Pointless to do, if they can just...get a T-72.

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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #1

    Post  Vann7 on Thu Sep 25, 2014 9:15 am



    So is there a reliable source of how many T-72s Russia have that could use right now in case of a hypothetical emergency of a 100,000 muslin jihadist invasion armed with Rockets grenades?

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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #1

    Post  GarryB on Thu Sep 25, 2014 12:26 pm

    The fatal flaw in the T-64/T-80 design is the arrangement of the autoloader.

    If you don't change it then any penetration in the turret will destroy the tank.

    Any penetration and hot burning fragments enter the turret and descend to the floor.

    On the T-64 an T-80 the propellent stubs are vertical and exposed and their propellent impregnated cardboard walls of the propellent stubb is designed to combust completely... which is exactly what it does... it is a horrendous fire risk and very unpopular during loading of all vehicles that use it... no smoking on that job...

    The fact of the matter is that if every penetration of the turret leads to the mass detonation of all the propellent stubs at once blowing the turret off the tank and instantly killing all the crew... or you can drive a slightly older tank that has horizontally stored propellent stubs with a sheet of belt armour over their tops preventing any sparks or hot material even from a direct penetration from touching the propellent or ammo and I know which I will vote for.

    The fact that the gas turbine versions can only be afforded by Arab states or a communist state that doesn't have to open its books is another factor.

    Some of the late model T-80s were nice, but not nice enough to keep another type that uses different parts and a different design... especially when new vehicles are on the way.

    They could keep T-54s if they wanted... all they need is to add modern communications and BMS, plus night and all weather optics and some new ERA.

    Obviously, as the "new" tanks will likely all be using a 125mm gun then it simply makes sense to dump everything except the T-72 and any T-90s already in service and give them the above updates... perhaps an autoloader update too so new rounds can be brought into the inventory now and given a good test...

    So is there a reliable source of how many T-72s Russia have that could use right now in case of a hypothetical emergency of a 100,000 muslin jihadist invasion armed with Rockets grenades?

    About 2 tactical nukes... preferably while they are still at sea.


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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #1

    Post  flamming_python on Thu Sep 25, 2014 8:33 pm

    GarryB wrote:So is there a reliable source of how many T-72s Russia have that could use right now in case of a hypothetical emergency of a 100,000 muslin jihadist invasion armed with Rockets grenades?

    About 2 tactical nukes... preferably while they are still at sea.[/quote]

    Gotta love your humour man

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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #1

    Post  Werewolf on Thu Sep 25, 2014 9:07 pm

    FOAB someone?




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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #1

    Post  Vann7 on Fri Sep 26, 2014 5:40 am


    You cannot use nukes in place with civilians ,neither FOAB. So finally how many T-72 russia have that could use in service right now?

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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #1

    Post  GarryB on Fri Sep 26, 2014 7:23 am

    You cannot use nukes in place with civilians ,neither FOAB. So finally how many T-72 russia have that could use in service right now?

    The US did twice.

    The secret is to pretend you are actually saving lives.

    How are these fighters going to Russia?

    Kill them at the airport/port.

    If they come up through turkey and Europe bomb the shit out of Europe.

    If they come via Iraq and Iran and Syria wait till they get to Georgia and Azerbaizhan and blow the crap out of them there.

    Coming up via Iran and Turkmenistan etc just start bombing the crap out of them as they move through those poor sparsely populated countries with conventional munitions... look at the terrain... you dont want MBTs, you want lighter more mobile vehicles. That last route includes trying to cross borders with quite a few countries all of which wont want ISIS shit on their mat.

    I would say concentrations of ISIS fighters on their way through the mountains to get to Russia would be ideal testing targets for FOAB.


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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #1

    Post  Vympel on Thu Oct 02, 2014 6:38 am

    http://rostechnologiesblog.wordpress.com/2014/10/01/development-work-for-armata-tank-to-be-completed-until-2016/

    Development work on the creation of new generation tank “Armata” will be completed by the end of 2015, told the Chief of Land Forces, Colonel General Oleg Salyukov.

    Earlier, Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin has repeatedly stated that the tank on the new platform “Armata” will be first shown to the public on May 9, 2015 Victory Parade.

    “At the moment the development work continues on the development of advanced models of armored equipment, including tanks and APCs “Armata”, BMP “Kurganets-25″ and BTR “Boomerang”, the completion of which is scheduled for the end of next year,” said Salyukov.

    Does this mean we won't see Armata at the May 9 Parade next year?

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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #1

    Post  TR1 on Thu Oct 02, 2014 6:41 am

    Good. Showing off several barely tested prototypes is just dumb.

    And anything that makes Rogozin look stupid is good in my book.

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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #1

    Post  Vympel on Thu Oct 02, 2014 6:46 am

    TR1 wrote:Good. Showing off several barely tested prototypes is just dumb.

    And anything that makes Rogozin look stupid is good in my book.

    It was more of a question than a statement, but it would be highly embarrassing if one of the prototypes broke down on the parade! Smile

    (this is highly unlikely to happen, but they keep ARVs on hand at every parade for a reason)

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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #1

    Post  Austin on Thu Oct 02, 2014 7:06 am

    I think what he means is state test will end by end of 2015.

    That does not mean that tank cant be shown in May 2015.

    A tank test is a long process which is done in many climatic condition and run for many thousand km and is time consuming , does not mean that the tank will break down just that they need to mandatory need to go through it to get stastical data on multiple component and test point

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    Post  Vympel on Thu Oct 02, 2014 7:08 am

    Austin wrote:I think what he means is state test will end by end of 2015.

    That does not mean that tank cant be shown in May 2015.

    A tank test is a long process which is done in many climatic condition and run for many thousand km and is time consuming , does not mean that the tank will break down just that they need to mandatory need to go through it to get stastical data on multiple component and test point

    I really hope we get to see it next year, irrespective of their being still in testing. The Armata, Kurganets-25 & Bumerang all making their debut appearance on 9 May next year always sounded too good to be true.

    In the meantime I note my post in the other thread that T-72B3 and BTR-82A procurement is to continue - together with resumption of BMP-3 purchases, together with modernized BMP-2s.

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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #1

    Post  TR1 on Thu Oct 02, 2014 7:20 am

    So they say, we will see if it really materializes.

    BMP-2 "modernization" so far has been barely anything more than Kapremont + new radios.
    BMP-3 story has been on and off for years. And with the sort of purchase tempo, I doubt they can even acquire that many in a few years.

    T-72B3 is an upgrade so that makes sense, considering dissapearing T-80.
    BTR-82 is part new part upgraded, but there are so many wheeled chassis the army needs to replace I don't really have any issue with them buying new ones when Boomerang is around the corner. Total chassis unification is a pipe-dream in the near/mid future anyways, and BTR-82s are cheap compared to BMP-3 anyways.

    EDIT: Don't worry, you will see the wheeled and tracked chassis next year, there will be leaks, pokazuha and video segments. I guarantee it. Full Armata? Well, that depends on how much of a secret they want to keep.

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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #1

    Post  Austin on Thu Oct 02, 2014 7:26 am

    Until 2020, the Ground Forces of the Russian Federation will receive 5 thousand. Units of new armored vehicles


    http://itar-tass.com/politika/1478134





    MOSCOW, October 1. / TASS /. Land Forces of the Russian Federation until 2020 will get adopted 5 thousand. Units of new armored vehicles and 6 th. Upgraded specimens. Including T-72B3 tanks and infantry fighting vehicles BMP-3, told the Chief of Land Forces, Colonel-General Oleg Salyukov.

    He recalled that the decision of the President of the Russian Federation up to 2020 ground forces should be equipped with modern weapons and military equipment by 70%.


    For this purpose, said the general, "is planned to purchase the upgraded T-72B3, perfectly proved themselves to compete in Biathlon Tank, as well as during the exercises" Vostok-2014 ", infantry fighting vehicles BMP-3, the upgraded BMP-2, BTR -82A. "


    In this case, the commander in chief said that "the purchase of BMP-3 and resumed the next year they are to be supplied as kit (battalions) in units of the Land Forces."
    "A total of 2020 is planned to buy more than 5 thousand. New and about 6 thousand. Revised pieces of armored military vehicles, as well as about 14 thousand. Units of contemporary models of motor vehicles", - concluded the Commander.


    Delivery "Iskander-M"


    The following year, the Ground Forces of the Russian Federation will have to adopt two sets of brigade tactical missile complexes "Iskander-M". - One for the Southern Military District, the second - for the East, said Salyukov.


    "In 2015 it is planned to supply two sets of missile formations Southern and Eastern military districts," - he said.



    Salyukov recalled that, in accordance with the long-term government contract has been delivered to the army brigade sets of four missile complexes "Iskander-M". "By the end of this year planned delivery of another set for missile formation of the Central Military District," - added Salyukov.


    As reported earlier TASS in the company - the manufacturer complexes "Iskander-M" "KBM" one brigade set includes 12 self-propelled launchers (on wheeled tractor), 12 transport-charging machines, 11 command post vehicles, 14 cars livelihood, one preparation of the information item, one car-routine maintenance, military reserve missiles of two types - aeroballistic and cruise.


    Under contract with the Ministry of Defense, signed in 2011, "KBM" must deliver an annual two brigade sets. According to open sources, the 2013 brigade sets of complexes "Iskander-M" entered into service of the 107th Missile Brigade (Birobidzhan) and 1st Missile Brigade (Krasnodar). In the current year, "Iskander" entered service 112 missile brigade (Shuya). Earlier, in 2011, to the brigade was beefed up 26 Missile Brigade in Luga.


    "Iskander-M" is much greater than the best foreign analogues in its class in terms of accuracy, efficiency, effectiveness training missiles for launch, and other characteristics. Additionally, missile launcher may be equipped with different types of missiles. "Iskander-M" has a high probability of overcoming anti-missile defenses. The missile maneuvers with high congestion and flies through the unpredictable path to the enemy.


    In the future, the complex will be the basis of missile units of the Land Forces of Russia.


    32 tanks "Armata"


    The first batch of new tanks on the basis of a universal platform heavy "Armata", which will go to the Land Forces of the Russian Federation on the basis of the state tests, will consist of 32 cars.


    Salyukov recalled that "currently ongoing development activities (R & D) to create advanced models of armored vehicles, including tanks and APCs" Armata "BMP" Kurganets-25 "BTR" Boomerang "." Completion is scheduled for OCD end of next year, "- said Salyukov.




    "After the state testing in the interests of the Land Forces will be purchased by one battalion data set of machines for carrying out their experimental military operation at all stages of combat training as part of units. According to the results will be determined by their purpose and further shipments" - added Salyukov.


    The battalion set of armor in the Russian Armed Forces has 32 machines.
    State tests of tanks can last a year or more. For example, the state tests the basic T-90 tank lasted from January 1989 to March 1991. In this war machine was tested to its limits. Tank carried many kilometers marches in various ranges in different climatic conditions.


    At the same time could be simulated emergency situations - for example, breaking the engine cooling system, which can occur in combat. The tank was tested for strength - it fired shells and rockets of various calibers of anti complexes, exploding mines. Checked armament of the tank - the shooting was carried out by all kinds of shells. Leak tested T-90 underwater.


    Unified platform "Armata" developed "Uralvagonzavod". At its base is planned to create a wide range of armored vehicles, including main battle tank, armored infantry fighting vehicle tank support, chassis for self-propelled artillery, and others. According to some reports, the tank on the platform "Armata" were armed with 152-mm cannon and uninhabited tower, the crew at the same time will be in bronekapsuly.

    Not exclude the purchase of "Terminator 2"


    Land Forces of the Russian Federation are considering the purchase of tank support combat vehicle (BMPT) "Terminator 2".



    We are considering military vehicle tank support" Terminator 2 "for the Army. Question for its further use will be decided after the completion of the definition of long-term appearance of the Ground Forces," - said Salyukov.


    BMPT-72 "Terminator 2" was presented in 2013 at an arms fair in Nizhny Tagil. This machine has a high level of firepower, protection, command handling, can effectively solve the problem of the fire support of tanks and infantry in all kinds of combat operations, in different climatic zones, at any time of the day. In "Terminator 2" as opposed to the previous model improved the system of orientation and fire control.
    BMPT "Terminator 2" is not accepted by the Russian Army.


    BTR-90 will not be purchased until


    Ground forces are not planning to buy the BTR-90.Answering the question of whether it planned to resume the supply of troops in armored personnel carriers BTR-90, Salyukov said: "At the moment we buy the BTR-82A, in which the maximum account of developments on a range of weapons, fire control system, security, mobility, and command-control."


    BTR-90 - Tactical Wheeled Vehicle development Gorky Automobile Plant. Compared with the BTR-80 is a new machine significantly enhanced armor, the new APC was a V-shaped bottom to strengthen the protection of a landmine explosion, stabilizing arms, BTR-90 has a higher maneuverability due to rotation of the wheels of different boards in different directions, other benefits .


    Originally it was planned that the serial production of the BTR-90 for the Russian army will begin in 2011. However, later the Ministry of Defence refused to procurement of armored personnel carriers, as well as its exports.

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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #1

    Post  Asf on Thu Oct 02, 2014 7:36 am

    FOAB someone?



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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #1

    Post  Vympel on Thu Oct 02, 2014 8:15 am

    TR1 wrote:So they say, we will see if it really materializes.

    BMP-2 "modernization" so far has been barely anything more than Kapremont + new radios.
    BMP-3 story has been on and off for years. And with the sort of purchase tempo, I doubt they can even acquire that many in a few years.

    What does Kapremont mean? Refit/ overhaul / worn out shit replacement, like the US does to its vehicles under the "reset" name?

    Anyway, I like small scale modernisations, like the T-72B3, or the renewal of old BMD-1s into BMD-2s. Fitting a BMP-2 with say the this is not cost effective.

    EDIT: Don't worry, you will see the wheeled and tracked chassis next year, there will be leaks, pokazuha and video segments. I guarantee it. Full Armata? Well, that depends on how much of a secret they want to keep.

    Can't wait.

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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #1

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Thu Oct 02, 2014 8:21 am

    TR1 wrote:Good. Showing off several barely tested prototypes is just dumb.

    And anything that makes Rogozin look stupid is good in my book.


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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #1

    Post  Asf on Thu Oct 02, 2014 8:35 am

    What does Kapremont mean?

    overhaul in russian ('kapital remont' e.g. 'capital repair')


    Can't wait.

    As a men partly involved in the construction process of one of the unified platforms I can guarantee you'll see them during the 2015 parade.

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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #1

    Post  TR1 on Thu Oct 02, 2014 9:07 am

    Austin wrote:Until 2020, the Ground Forces of the Russian Federation will receive 5 thousand. Units of new armored vehicles


    http://itar-tass.com/politika/1478134




    MOSCOW, October 1.  / TASS /.  Land Forces of the Russian Federation until 2020 will get adopted 5 thousand. Units of new armored vehicles and 6 th. Upgraded specimens.  Including T-72B3 tanks and infantry fighting vehicles BMP-3, told the Chief of Land Forces, Colonel-General Oleg Salyukov.

    He recalled that the decision of the President of the Russian Federation up to 2020 ground forces should be equipped with modern weapons and military equipment by 70%.


    For this purpose, said the general, "is planned to purchase the upgraded T-72B3, perfectly proved themselves to compete in Biathlon Tank, as well as during the exercises" Vostok-2014 ", infantry fighting vehicles BMP-3, the upgraded BMP-2, BTR -82A. "


    In this case, the commander in chief said that "the purchase of BMP-3 and resumed the next year they are to be supplied as kit (battalions) in units of the Land Forces."
    "A total of 2020 is planned to buy more than 5 thousand. New and about 6 thousand. Revised pieces of armored military vehicles, as well as about 14 thousand. Units of contemporary models of motor vehicles", - concluded the Commander.


    Delivery "Iskander-M"




    The following year, the Ground Forces of the Russian Federation will have to adopt two sets of brigade tactical missile complexes "Iskander-M".  - One for the Southern Military District, the second - for the East, said Salyukov.


    "In 2015 it is planned to supply two sets of missile formations Southern and Eastern military districts," - he said.



    Salyukov recalled that, in accordance with the long-term government contract has been delivered to the army brigade sets of four missile complexes "Iskander-M".  "By the end of this year planned delivery of another set for missile formation of the Central Military District," - added Salyukov.


    As reported earlier TASS in the company - the manufacturer complexes "Iskander-M" "KBM" one brigade set includes 12 self-propelled launchers (on wheeled tractor), 12 transport-charging machines, 11 command post vehicles, 14 cars livelihood, one preparation of the information item, one car-routine maintenance, military reserve missiles of two types - aeroballistic and cruise.


    Under contract with the Ministry of Defense, signed in 2011, "KBM" must deliver an annual two brigade sets.  According to open sources, the 2013 brigade sets of complexes "Iskander-M" entered into service of the 107th Missile Brigade (Birobidzhan) and 1st Missile Brigade (Krasnodar).  In the current year, "Iskander" entered service 112 missile brigade (Shuya).  Earlier, in 2011, to the brigade was beefed up 26 Missile Brigade in Luga.


    "Iskander-M" is much greater than the best foreign analogues in its class in terms of accuracy, efficiency, effectiveness training missiles for launch, and other characteristics.  Additionally, missile launcher may be equipped with different types of missiles.  "Iskander-M" has a high probability of overcoming anti-missile defenses.  The missile maneuvers with high congestion and flies through the unpredictable path to the enemy.


    In the future, the complex will be the basis of missile units of the Land Forces of Russia.


    32 tanks "Armata"




    The first batch of new tanks on the basis of a universal platform heavy "Armata", which will go to the Land Forces of the Russian Federation on the basis of the state tests, will consist of 32 cars.


    Salyukov recalled that "currently ongoing development activities (R & D) to create advanced models of armored vehicles, including tanks and APCs" Armata "BMP" Kurganets-25 "BTR" Boomerang "." Completion is scheduled for OCD end of next year, "- said Salyukov.




    "After the state testing in the interests of the Land Forces will be purchased by one battalion data set of machines for carrying out their experimental military operation at all stages of combat training as part of units. According to the results will be determined by their purpose and further shipments" - added Salyukov.


    The battalion set of armor in the Russian Armed Forces has 32 machines.
    State tests of tanks can last a year or more.  For example, the state tests the basic T-90 tank lasted from January 1989 to March 1991.  In this war machine was tested to its limits.  Tank carried many kilometers marches in various ranges in different climatic conditions.


    At the same time could be simulated emergency situations - for example, breaking the engine cooling system, which can occur in combat.  The tank was tested for strength - it fired shells and rockets of various calibers of anti complexes, exploding mines.  Checked armament of the tank - the shooting was carried out by all kinds of shells.  Leak tested T-90 underwater.


    Unified platform "Armata" developed "Uralvagonzavod".  At its base is planned to create a wide range of armored vehicles, including main battle tank, armored infantry fighting vehicle tank support, chassis for self-propelled artillery, and others. According to some reports, the tank on the platform "Armata" were armed with 152-mm cannon and uninhabited tower, the crew at the same time will be in bronekapsuly.

    Not exclude the purchase of "Terminator 2"




    Land Forces of the Russian Federation are considering the purchase of tank support combat vehicle (BMPT) "Terminator 2".



    We are considering military vehicle tank support" Terminator 2 "for the Army. Question for its further use will be decided after the completion of the definition of long-term appearance of the Ground Forces," - said Salyukov.


    BMPT-72 "Terminator 2" was presented in 2013 at an arms fair in Nizhny Tagil.  This machine has a high level of firepower, protection, command handling, can effectively solve the problem of the fire support of tanks and infantry in all kinds of combat operations, in different climatic zones, at any time of the day.  In "Terminator 2" as opposed to the previous model improved the system of orientation and fire control.
    BMPT "Terminator 2" is not accepted by the Russian Army.


    BTR-90 will not be purchased until




    Ground forces are not planning to buy the BTR-90.Answering the question of whether it planned to resume the supply of troops in armored personnel carriers BTR-90, Salyukov said: "At the moment we buy the BTR-82A, in which the maximum account of developments on a range of weapons, fire control system, security, mobility, and command-control."


    BTR-90 - Tactical Wheeled Vehicle development Gorky Automobile Plant.  Compared with the BTR-80 is a new machine significantly enhanced armor, the new APC was a V-shaped bottom to strengthen the protection of a landmine explosion, stabilizing arms, BTR-90 has a higher maneuverability due to rotation of the wheels of different boards in different directions, other benefits .


    Originally it was planned that the serial production of the BTR-90 for the Russian army will begin in 2011.  However, later the Ministry of Defence refused to procurement of armored personnel carriers, as well as its exports.

    The fact that the article even brings up the BTR-90 brings a LOT of the claims into question.

    T-72B3 did great in the biathlon? It drove fast, that is about it.


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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #1

    Post  TR1 on Thu Oct 02, 2014 9:09 am

    Asf wrote:
    What does Kapremont mean?

    overhaul in russian ('kapital remont' e.g. 'capital repair')


    Can't wait.

    As a men partly involved in the construction process of one of the unified platforms I can guarantee you'll see them during the 2015 parade.

    Any news on the chassis use for Koalition?

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    Post  Asf on Thu Oct 02, 2014 9:17 am

    The fact that the article even brings up the BTR-90 brings a LOT of the claims into question. 

    I think it was just a journalist's question about it.


    Any news on the chassis use for Koalition?

    Won't Koalition be on a unified platforms? I thought it isn't a question. Koalition is actually a weapon module, we've only partly involved in one of the chassis design (electrical part of the chassis design).
    Personally, I can't say is it reasonable to put Koatilition on, say, expensive Armata chassis. It is known one of the Koalition variant (for future light and/or medium brigades most likely) will be on Kamaz chassis, for example:


    KAMAZ now is 'unified' platform too as it seems all army trucks tends to be KAMAZ now. There can be cheaper 'Armata' chassis for numerous engineering vehicles, for example, which could be  used for artillery chassis as well.


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    Post  TR1 on Thu Oct 02, 2014 9:42 am

    Yes of course, but so far the glimpses of Koalition have seemed to indicate a modified T-90 chassis.
    Was wondering if there is any movement towards the new chassis being delivered to Burevestnik for modification.


    i think the KAMAZ chassis is a terrible idea personally.


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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #1

    Post  Asf on Thu Oct 02, 2014 9:48 am

    a modified T-90 chassis.

    That would broke the idea of unified platforms, imho.


    Was wondering if there is any movement towards the new chassis being delivered to Burevestnik for modification.

    What do you mean? I think made it many times during design process, but we are not envolved in it, as we are side contractors working on initial data given.


    i think the KAMAZ chassis is a terrible idea personally.

    Test will show (or have arleady shown). Kamaz chassis have some benefits, e.g. weight, cost, repairability. It's like a towed gun, which shouldn't be dismounted before firing (reducing preparing time). 'Light' units always did have towed artillery (for example, many BTR-counted motor rifle divisions usually had several battalions of towed 122 mm and 152 mm howizers)

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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #1

    Post  GarryB on Thu Oct 02, 2014 12:58 pm

    The idea that we might not be shown Armata in May because it has not finished testing... we saw the Su-35, MiG-35, and PAK FA before they have finished testing...

    I suspect there will be several versions of the Koalition to suit different roles with supporting different vehicle families.

    When operating with an all Armata force it makes sense to base it on an Armata chassis... it gives it comparable protection and mobility and does not add new engine and transmission parts to the logistics chain...

    However a cheaper wheeled model would also be useful... on boomerang or Kurganets with big outrigger stabilisers and a spade to deal with the recoil.

    Regarding the upgrades I would expect the BMP-2 upgrade will be the KBP with the two twin Kornet launchers on each side and the BMP-3 they will be buying will likely be the BMP-3M... perhaps with new model ARENA or something even newer in terms of APS.


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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #1

    Post  Mike E on Thu Oct 02, 2014 10:09 pm

    TR1 wrote:i think the KAMAZ chassis is a terrible idea personally.
    I don't see any glaring issues with it... It works, and a common platform is a huge advantage over other forces.

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