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    Post  Pyrrus on Tue Oct 23, 2012 7:18 pm

    KomissarBojanchev wrote:If any russophobe would see this he would emmidiately say that this is faulty soviet propaganda that doesnt deserve even a closer look Wink
    Exactly, the thing is many Western examples of weapons are overrated. The success of Stinger was, it was the right weapon for the occasion. It didn't mean Soviet Army had worse one. Stinger was the ideal weapon for a guerilla army, like RPG-7 against tanks before inventing reactive armours. It was ideal because of efficiency and easy way of use - very important factor as for arabic users
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Oct 24, 2012 2:25 am

    The fact that Stinger and Igla are such effective weapons has greatly restricted their sales and deployment... the most amusing thing is that the west likes to criticise the Soviets and Russians for handing out all sorts of weapons to anyone that wanted them, but it was often Western supported "freedom fighters" that got Milan ATGMs and Stingers and sophisticated night vision and communications equipment.

    The myth that the Afghans used the Soviet weapons against them is just that... the vast majority of weapons the Afghans used were Chinese made and supplied by the Pakistani ISI paid for by the CIA. If you look at the photos taken during the war at the start the vast majority of weapons used were 303 bolt action rifles left behind the last time the British tried to invade, and then AKs start appearing, but they are not Russian issue AK-74s but Chinese made AKM knockoffs and also eastern european AKs captured by Israel from Arab armies.
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    Post  Mr.Kalishnikov47 on Sat Dec 08, 2012 10:31 pm

    Spetsnaz and VDV

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    Post  Mr.Kalishnikov47 on Sat Dec 08, 2012 10:36 pm

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    Post  TR1 on Sat Dec 08, 2012 10:42 pm

    Seeing BMP-2D is always infuriating.

    Working armor package, used and acquired en-masse by the military in the 80s, was it anywhere to be seen in Chechnya? Nooooope.

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    Post  Mr.Kalishnikov47 on Sat Dec 08, 2012 10:43 pm

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    Post  Mr.Kalishnikov47 on Sat Dec 08, 2012 10:47 pm

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    Post  Mr.Kalishnikov47 on Sat Dec 08, 2012 10:49 pm

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    It's funny, some of these men couldn't be any older than 20, but at the same time, many of them look old enough to be my father. Smile
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    Post  Mr.Kalishnikov47 on Sat Dec 08, 2012 10:51 pm

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    Was it common for the Spetsnaz to travel in such large formations?
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    Post  GarryB on Sun Dec 09, 2012 6:34 am

    They don't look like they are carrying enough equipment to be special forces.

    The second photo where they are wearing caps you can see the blue and white striped T shirts of the VDV.

    Real Spetsnaz units often had odd weapon combinations like night scopes on PKMS or SVDs.

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    Post  Mr.Kalishnikov47 on Sun Dec 09, 2012 11:22 am

    GarryB wrote:They don't look like they are carrying enough equipment to be special forces.

    The second photo where they are wearing caps you can see the blue and white striped T shirts of the VDV.

    They say that members of the Spetsnaz wore VDV uniforms to blend in. They certainly wouldn't want the Mujahideen to know that there were special forces operating in the area, otherwise they'd make an escape before the Spetsnaz had a chance to eliminate them.

    Of course they could just be VDV. There's really no way to tell for sure.

    Real Spetsnaz units often had odd weapon combinations like night scopes on PKMS or SVDs.

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    Smile

    Anyways, the equipment used depended on the operation.


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    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Sun Dec 09, 2012 12:43 pm

    Were thermobaric RPGs occasionally used in the war?
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    Post  GarryB on Mon Dec 10, 2012 9:33 am

    They didn't have the thermobaric warheads for the RPGs that they do have now, but they did have the RPO-A thermobaric rocket launcher... very potent.
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    Post  Viktor on Mon Dec 10, 2012 4:03 pm

    @Mr.Kalasnjikov

    Great pictures Smile
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    Post  GarryB on Tue Dec 11, 2012 8:06 am

    Great pictures
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    Post  Pyrrus on Tue Dec 11, 2012 1:28 pm

    Garry is right, part of photos are with the soldiers of the well known 345 VDV regiment. Anyway, amazing set of pictures, mate! Thank you
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    Post  Mr.Kalishnikov47 on Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:37 pm

    Pyrrus wrote:Garry is right, part of photos are with the soldiers of the well known 345 VDV regiment. Anyway, amazing set of pictures, mate! Thank you

    Thank you Pyrrus, your info is much appreciated.

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    Would you happen to know who these men belong to? Are they part of the 345th as well?

    Great pictures

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    No problem guys, if I find any more pics like those I'll be sure to post them.
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Dec 12, 2012 5:56 am

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    Post  Pyrrus on Wed Dec 12, 2012 8:50 pm

    @Kalishnkov: I can't help you in this matter. Instead I propose some soldiers' songs. Take notice of the pictures included.
    First the song about 345 VDV regiment:
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    about Mi 8 pilots:
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    and Kamaz lorries' drivers:
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    enjoy! Smile
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    Post  Mr.Kalishnikov47 on Wed Dec 19, 2012 2:31 pm

    Thank you for the excellent pictures and music GarryB and Pyrrus.

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    I've heard many times of the Spetsnaz in Afghanistan disguising themselves as the local populace to aid in their operations, but this is the first time I've actually seen it in action. Very much appreciated!
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Dec 19, 2012 10:37 pm

    Even the Soviets admit it wasn't as effective as it might appear because most muj groups included a range of people from young men to boys and old men, while the special forces units consisted only of young fit men.

    Sometimes a delay in recognition is as good as completely fooling the enemy...
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    Post  Cyberspec on Sun May 12, 2013 12:49 pm

    Flattering comments about the Soviet Spetznas and Russian Army in general from a famous former Mujahedin commander

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    Post  Cpt Caz on Wed Nov 20, 2013 3:36 am

    I think some of you here may find this interesting:

    Guns of the Spetsnaz - Accounts From a Spetsnaz Veteran of the Soviet-Afghan War


    Part One - Rifles: http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Guns+o.....-a0243718822

    Part Two - Sniper Rifles: http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Guns+o.....-a0247740939

    Part Three - Machine Guns: http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Guns+o.....-a0252741284

    Part Four - Pistols: http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Guns+o.....-a0255603146
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    Post  George1 on Tue Nov 11, 2014 9:13 am

    A Soviet tank in the Hindu Kush Mountains of Afghanistan during the Soviet Invasion, 1980. Afghan civilians stand in the foreground

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    Troopers of the 5th airborne company 350th airborne regiment on the march, moving aboard their BMPs and BTRs along the Afghani mountain road.

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    Soviet troops on the move in Afghanistan, mid-1980s

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    Aftermath in a village located along the Salang Highway, shelled and destroyed during fights between Mujahideen guerrillas and Afghan soldiers in Salang, Afghanistan.

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    Post  George1 on Tue Nov 11, 2014 9:21 am

    Two Soviet Army soldiers emerge from an Afghan shop in downtown Kabul on April 24, 1988.

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    A Soviet soldier smokes a cigarette at a checkpoint of the Soviet military airport in Kabul on February 10, 1989 as the other one forbids pictures.

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    Red Army soldiers stand for review on October 19, 1986, in downtown Kabul during a parade, shortly before they returned to the Soviet Union.

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    Afghanistan's president Mohammed Najibullah (center) smiles as he meets Red Army soldiers on October 19, 1986, in downtown Kabul during a parade.

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