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    Post  Isos on Mon Apr 08, 2019 8:46 am

    GarryB wrote:The F-117 was made of metal was it not stealthy?

    The R-37M will climb to altitude and fly at high speed at high altitude... I rather doubt the AWACS would see it coming as it wont be looking up it will be looking out and down...

    But as mentioned even if it does spot it at long range it wont be able to do much until it is coming down in a steep dive on the AWACS aircraft from rather high altitude...

    It is a shame they only have two by two instead of the three by two of the MiG-31M design... ah well...

    True.

    Su-35 with its Irbis is a better plateform for r-37.

    They were talking about a new powerful radar for the 31M which would be nice since it has very huge engines to power it.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Mon Apr 08, 2019 5:18 pm

    Very little about Zaslon-AM exists. It is rather hush hush about it which with the advent of modernizing a ton of MiG-31's with it, including introducing new long range missiles, gives indication it may very well be much more powerful than we may know.
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    Post  GarryB on Tue Apr 09, 2019 12:48 am

    The main targets of the R-37M will be AWACS and tanker aircraft and also JSTARS and troop transports... they wont be using them against stealthy aircraft or even fighter aircraft most of the time so extreme radar power would not be needed.

    A MiG-35 should be able to detect an AWACS plane scanning from enormous ranges, so targeting should not be a problem.

    It could also receive the target general location from another platform or source.

    The first launches of R-37M required an Su-30M operating much closer to the target to provide target information, but once launched the missile did its own thing as it is an ARH missile with its own radar sensor.

    I rather doubt they expect the MiG-31s carrying R-37M missiles to operate with forward deployed Su-30Ms so they have clearly improved radar performance... the original Zaslon was handicapped with a rather weak computer processing capacity, but its electronic scanning forms an enormous volume of airspace it can track targets within... it was a very impressive achievement when it entered service whose performance should not be under estimated...
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    Post  miketheterrible on Tue Apr 09, 2019 1:21 am

    Zaslon M and AM fixed all those issues of poor processing power. Minor adjustments to tech on Bars R gave it performance increase from fighter based sized target of 140km to over 300km getting even closer to Irbis performance. The Zaslon AM is theorized to be even higher than Irbis now thanks to modern technology and newer microprocessors. Hopefully they use Elbrus 4SM (with the elvees dsp cores).
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    Post  hoom on Wed Apr 24, 2019 2:36 pm

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3620414.html
    About the 2017 crash.
    Apparently was shot down by its wingman due to the ZaslonAM IFF failing to work properly.
    They say it happened because it was running in experimental pulsed mode rather than normal quasi-continuous mode, trying to increase number of simultaneous engaged targets.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Wed Apr 24, 2019 6:36 pm

    hoom wrote:https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3620414.html
    About the 2017 crash.
    Apparently was shot down by its wingman due to the ZaslonAM IFF failing to work properly.
    They say it happened because it was running in experimental pulsed mode rather than normal quasi-continuous mode, trying to increase number of simultaneous engaged targets.

    Was reading that.  I imagine they went back to figure out what went wrong with the IFF in that regards.  Probably the radar's architecture didn't pick up the IFF translation from the onboard computer thus not blocking the radar or giving the radar information that the other aircraft was friendly.  Good thing no one died but too bad they lost one of the jets.

    I am still trying to find information on the MiG-31BM's Zalson AM radar.  Anyone got technical data?

    Edit: This is what I got on Zaslon-M but what about Zaslon-AM?

    The Zaslon-M is an upgraded, multi-mode version of the Zaslon phased array antenna radar developed by KRET Corporation for the Mig-31BM aircraft, which is also a modernized version of the Mig-31 interceptor. The modernization of the radar focused on the maximum detection range, use of new types of weapons, implementation of a digital receiver and avionics upgrade. The Zaslon-M can detect a fighter aircraft at a range of 320 kilometers with the ability to engage them at a distance of 280 kilometers. The upgraded radar can track up to 24 aircraft while engaging up to eight airborne targets simultaneously. The Zaslon-M also enables the use of air-to-air missiles, smart bombs and anti-radiation missiles.
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    Post  Isos on Fri Apr 26, 2019 12:25 am

    The probleme wasn't the radar but the S-800 and Baget-55 computer that hasn't enough computing power to process the signals from the Zaslon.

    It should be solved with modern computer when modernized.

    It seems that the IRST is too old to work with this computer.

    Original report of the incident.

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    Post  hoom on Fri Apr 26, 2019 5:36 am

    Baget-55 is a new computer from ~2004.
    There is newer gen on Su-35/57 though, so maybe they need a Zaslon-MA-M or -M2 with the newer processors.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Fri Apr 26, 2019 6:12 am

    They cleared usage of Elbrus 2 and 4 CM that has elvees DSP cores so that could also work too.
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    Post  dino00 on Fri May 03, 2019 11:09 pm

    Top view: MiG-31BM fighter will be turned into an attack headquarters

    "Combat Airships" will receive a unique automatic control system

    Aleksey Ramm
    Alexey Kozachenko


    Russian interceptors MiG-31 became carriers of an automated control system (ACS) with unique technical characteristics. This is a combat reconnaissance circuit, which creates a continuous field of observation within a radius of more than 300 km. Data will be collected and processed using elements of artificial intelligence. And the leading fighter-interceptor MiG-31 will be able to independently hit targets or point them at other fighters or air defense weapons.

    Full Article
    https://iz.ru/873658/aleksei-ramm-aleksei-kozachenko/vzgliad-sverkhu-istrebitel-mig-31bm-prevratiat-v-shtab-ataki
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    Post  Viktor on Sat May 11, 2019 9:49 am

    dino00 wrote:Top view: MiG-31BM fighter will be turned into an attack headquarters

    "Combat Airships" will receive a unique automatic control system

    Aleksey Ramm
    Alexey Kozachenko


    Russian interceptors MiG-31 became carriers of an automated control system (ACS) with unique technical characteristics. This is a combat reconnaissance circuit, which creates a continuous field of observation within a radius of more than 300 km. Data will be collected and processed using elements of artificial intelligence. And the leading fighter-interceptor MiG-31 will be able to independently hit targets or point them at other fighters or air defense weapons.

    Full Article
    https://iz.ru/873658/aleksei-ramm-aleksei-kozachenko/vzgliad-sverkhu-istrebitel-mig-31bm-prevratiat-v-shtab-ataki

    this can greatly evolve air combat by adding more complexity to it simply by means of adding more freedom of thought to reality Smile
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    Post  Cyberspec on Thu Sep 26, 2019 12:41 am

    Second MiG-31D (Blue 82) photographed with hardpoint for ASAT missile, suggesting the tests are ongoing

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    Post  George1 on Fri Nov 15, 2019 2:35 pm

    Two upgraded MiG-31BM fighters to rejoin air regiment in Eastern Siberia

    https://tass.com/defense/1089337
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    Post  GarryB on Sat Nov 16, 2019 5:26 am

    Second MiG-31D (Blue 82) photographed with hardpoint for ASAT missile, suggesting the tests are ongoing

    The demise of the ABM treaty means anti ballistic missile and anti satellite weapons are legal now... if they don't develop such weapons they risk getting behind in an important technology.
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    Post  AMCXXL on Wed Jan 29, 2020 9:43 am

    George1 wrote:Two upgraded MiG-31BM fighters to rejoin air regiment in Eastern Siberia

    https://tass.com/defense/1089337

    The Monchegorsk Regiment forming a second squadron of MiG-31BM

    In 2019, the Monchegorsk regiment received about 10 MiG-31BM of types 58 and / or 78 (misnamed "BSM") to form a second squadron of MiG-31 fighters and thus recover the traditional Monchegorsk figther regiment closed in 2002

    Previously, in 2010-2011 he received another 10 MiG-31BM of type 28, (with a refueling probe), numbered from No. 01 to No. 10
    Logically after 10 years, they will need a revision in the 514th ARZ to extend their useful life another season

    In addition, several MiG-31BM from the 458 IAP of Kotlas that closed in 2009 were stored here, so the two squads would be almost complete (about 22-23 MiG-31BM maximum). These 2-3 planes were those of the first contract and were only active in Kotlas in 2009

    With the data known so far, at least 141 MiG-31BM have already been modernized (46 of them Type 28 with probe and 95 types 58/78)
    Of them 4 devices were lost in the 12 years since the delivery of the first device in service

    In addition there are 10 MiG-31K and 3 MiG-31BP (anti-satellite) in the testing phase

    Two more squadrons are needed for Yelizovo, and all remaining MiG-31DZ are expected to be modernized to MiG-31K and MiG-31BP, so we can go to the 200 modernized MiG-31s in service [/ b ] when modernization of all types is finished

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    Type 28 : Nº04 and also Nº52 !!! ,this is a veteran of 458 IAP of Kotlas, return after 5 or 6 years in the shelter
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    Type 28: Nº03 ,  Nº08 and other two in the shelters
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    Post  AMCXXL on Wed Jan 29, 2020 10:01 am

    Cyberspec wrote:Second MiG-31D (Blue 82) photographed with hardpoint for ASAT missile, suggesting the tests are ongoing

    MiG-31BM Interceptor: News - Page 27 EFTaZHlU8AIlR-B?format=jpg&name=900x900

    Blue 81 previously
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    This is not MiG-31D, that was a soviet variant

    The manofacturer calls them "Product 6" (Iz. 6) and "product 8" (Iz. 8 ) to the two new variants, who are called unoficially MiG-31K and MiG-31BP in several sources


    There are three airplanes, 81 and 82 probably are for test in Zhukovsky, but Nº94 is working with the MiG-31K squadron

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Wed Jan 29, 2020 9:09 pm

    AMCXXL wrote:
    The manofacturer calls them "Product 6" (Iz. 6) and "product 8" (Iz. 8 ) to the two new variants, who are called unoficially MiG-31K and MiG-31BP in several sources

    MiG-31K is a Kinzhal carrier, isn't it?
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    Post  George1 on Thu Jan 30, 2020 1:29 am

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    AMCXXL wrote:
    The manofacturer calls them "Product 6" (Iz. 6) and "product 8" (Iz. 8 ) to the two new variants, who are called unoficially MiG-31K and MiG-31BP in several sources

    MiG-31K is a Kinzhal carrier, isn't it?
    Yes
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Mon Feb 10, 2020 4:27 am

    Interesting details: https://russian.rt.com/russia/article/716358-mig-31-modernizaciya-kinzhal
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    Post  miketheterrible on Mon Feb 10, 2020 6:28 am

    MiG-31K launches Kinzhal, not BM as far as anyone is aware.

    Some major mistakes in that rt article. Not surprising to be honest.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Mon Feb 10, 2020 6:33 am

    @AMCXXL

    How many MiG-31's does Russia have in reserve overall? How many do you think they could modernize and bring back into service?
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Mon Feb 10, 2020 8:30 am

    miketheterrible wrote:MiG-31K launches Kinzhal, not BM as far as anyone is aware.

    Some major mistakes in that rt article. Not surprising to be honest.
    in this article it is written:

    RT wrote:In addition, a special modification of the MiG-31BM, which received the designation MiG-31K, has become the only combat carrier of the hypersonic aircraft complex X-47M2 "Kinzhal" to date .
    still, the article doesn't mention that the Kinzhal will be also lauched by the Tu-22M3M...
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    Post  miketheterrible on Mon Feb 10, 2020 10:27 am

    I missed that part.

    Some rumors state that Tu-160M may have Kinzhal support.
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    Post  GarryB on Tue Feb 11, 2020 1:33 am

    How many MiG-31's does Russia have in reserve overall? How many do you think they could modernize and bring back into service?

    I would say it probably depends on the engines... have they put the engine back in to production or are they working on new engine upgrades for the aircraft... something they could further update...
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    Post  miketheterrible on Tue Feb 11, 2020 8:08 am

    It wouldn't be out of realm for them to restart production
    Modernized parts may make it far more efficient too.

    MiG-31 was a very good jet. Still a very good jet.

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