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    Re: MiG-31BM Interceptor: News

    Post  George1 on Mon Jan 23, 2012 8:42 am

    Is there any site with information for VVKO?
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    Re: MiG-31BM Interceptor: News

    Post  GarryB on Mon Jan 23, 2012 12:43 pm

    Only news reports so far which is frustrating.

    I can't read Russian so I am limited to English speaking websites. Sad

    (BTW AFAIK it is VKKO which translates to Space and Air Defence Forces)

    From PVO (Air Defence Forces) and VKO (Space Defence forces) joining into the VKKO or Space and Air Defence Forces.
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    Post  GarryB on Tue Jan 24, 2012 4:23 am

    They seem to be getting called Aerospace Defence Forces or VKO.
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    Re: MiG-31BM Interceptor: News

    Post  George1 on Tue Jan 31, 2012 2:09 pm

    http://english.ruvr.ru/2012/01/31/65019117.html

    Russia’s Tactical Missile Weapons Corporation, or TRV, has hammered out a new sophisticated missile which will soon be in service in the Russian Air Force. The RVV-BD long-range air-to-air guided missile can be carried on MiG-type aircraft, including the MiG-31BM fighter-interceptor.

    TRV director-general Boris Obnosov said that the new missile will contribute significantly to the potential of the Russian Air Force.

    "The RVV-BD missile will replace the R-33E long-range air-to-air guided missile which is the basic weapon of the MiG-31 interceptor, Obnosov explains. As for the new missile, it will also be carried by the PAK FA fifth-generation fighter jet. The all-weather RVV-BD is designed to destroy fighters, attack aircraft, bombers and cruise missiles."

    High aerodynamic characteristics of the 510-kg missile and the use of dual-mode solid fuel permit the launch range of up to 200 kilometers. Equipped with an active warning and radar system, the missile has high maneuverability and optical jamming immunity. It is capable of effectively eliminating enemy targets from all aspects and against all ground and water surfaces. Additionally, the missile is equipped with a multichannel launch system based on the launch-and-forget principle. No wonder, therefore, Russian pilots can’t wait to see the completion of RVV-BD tests as soon as possible.

    Apart from the RVV-BD missile, Tactical Missile Corporation is now mapping out the X-55 cruise missile. When put on combat service, the missile is expected to boost further defense capabilities of the Russian Air Force. According to confidential information, the X-55 missile is a high-precision medium- and long-range weapon which is capable of adding to strategic non-nuclear deterrence.


    So Aerospace defense forces will include both MiG-31 and PAK-FA
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    Post  TR1 on Tue Jan 31, 2012 7:23 pm

    Note how they specifically say Russian Air Force in the article Wink.

    No mention of MiG-31 OR PAK-FA going to VKKO.
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    Post  GarryB on Tue Jan 31, 2012 8:57 pm

    I suspect you may be right, however I think that while the Mig-31s etc that used to be part of the PVO will now be under the command of the VKO...

    The 30 odd Mig-31s mentioned in a recent article that were on 24 hour alert would receive targeting information and launch commands from the VKO rather than the VVS, which on the whole likely reduces duplication.

    There is little point in having separate VKO and VVS airfields.

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    MiG-31 Interceptor Upgrade: News

    Post  Austin on Mon Mar 05, 2012 1:35 pm

    Latest Air International has update on Mig-31 Upgrade

    Mig-31 Foxhound....Russias Mighty Interceptor - Piotr Butowski

    High Res --->  http://www.4shared.com/rar/eUqhm4uX/Foxhound.html

    Mig-31-1
    Mig-31-2
    Mig-31-3
    Mig-31-4
    Mig-31-5
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    Re: MiG-31BM Interceptor: News

    Post  GarryB on Tue Mar 06, 2012 4:09 am

    Interesting, but why does Piotr suggest the domestic R-37M will have the same range as the export RVV-BD?

    If the new upgrade is specifically for the Mig-31BM and has been waiting for the clearance of the R-37M and most importantly the upgraded radar can track 24 and guide missiles against 6 targets at once it makes one wonder if they will leave the belly positions as they are, or adapt them for the new missiles the upgrade is optimised for.

    I have seen quotes of 280km for the range for the Russian missile and it wouldn't surprise me if they adapted the belly shape to allow 6 missiles to be carried conformally there instead of 4.

    I would expect as their primary interceptor that at some stage a new radar antenna might be worth considering... it certainly has the nose capacity for a large antenna and all the necessary cooling equipment needed.

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    Post  Austin on Tue Mar 06, 2012 4:58 am

    Most likely the true capability of R-37M is a classified subject and he would have been told to refer to export figures rather then giving the true figures , in his new book Russian Air Force he puts a figure of ~ 280 km for R-37M plus Active/Passive Seeker.

    Also the new missile R-77M in development is interesting , has a new motor and in the same book he mentions the range of missile as 140 km.

    So we will see 3 variants of R-77 in service

    R-77 --- 80 km
    R-77-1/RVV-SD --- 110 km
    R-77M ----- 140 km
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    Post  GarryB on Tue Mar 06, 2012 5:07 am

    No.

    In Russian service any original R-77s will have expired.

    They will likely go for a domestic version (ie catered to specific Russian IFF codes etc) of the RVV-SD for most operational aircraft like Su-27s and upgrades and Mig-29s and upgrades, while the new R-77M will likely be for Mig-31BM and PAK FA and Su-35 and Mig-35 if the latter makes it into production.

    The newer aircraft and Mig-31BM being able to take advantage of the extra reach of the new missile.

    I rather suspect that the standard models of the R-77 they put in service will have dual active and passive homing options and that perhaps they will expand the range to include IIR guidance as well for use against stealthy aircraft at extended range.

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    Post  Austin on Tue Mar 06, 2012 8:56 am

    GarryB wrote:In Russian service any original R-77s will have expired.

    Define original , the last variant widely used in operation in major airforces of world are the R-77 with a range of 80 km , the RuAF would be operating the same.

    The newer variant is R-77-1/RVV-SD is just early entering production

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    Post  Austin on Tue Mar 06, 2012 8:58 am

    From the Book of Yefim Gordon , Russian Air Force on Mig-31M Upgrade Weapons



    The book mentions R-37M maximum "kill" range at 280 km and along with modernised Mig-31BM can intercept target with maximum speed of Mach 6.

    The K-37 ( R-37 ) uses inertial midcourse guidance with radio command correction switching to semi-active or active guidance homing during terminal phase.

    The R-33S now has active radar homing with a kill range of 160 km , and kill probability against target pulling 4G is described as 60-80 %.

    Another interesting thing described for modernised Mig-31BM is that it allows support of exotic combat scenario , like attack targets with other fighter missile , i.e take over guidance of AAM launched by other fighters without switching on their radars.

    The Mig-31BM can track 24 targets and can attack 6 priority targets with long range R-37M missile . the maximum target detection range of radar is 240Km , has pictures of cockpit of modernised Mig-31BM

    The R-37 missile is designed to be dynamically unstable and boast of enhanced agility

    It seems in April 1994 the K-37 achieved a "world first" by destroying an aerial target at more than 300 km during a test launch
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    Re: MiG-31BM Interceptor: News

    Post  SOC on Tue Mar 06, 2012 6:30 pm

    GarryB wrote:Interesting, but why does Piotr suggest the domestic R-37M will have the same range as the export RVV-BD?

    Probably because it's the R-37M range as used by the MiG-31BM, given that it has a 240 km radar range. That doesn't preclude the missile from having an excess of performance that a different aircraft with a longer-range radar could exploit.
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    Post  TR1 on Tue Mar 06, 2012 7:37 pm

    SOC wrote:
    GarryB wrote:Interesting, but why does Piotr suggest the domestic R-37M will have the same range as the export RVV-BD?

    Probably because it's the R-37M range as used by the MiG-31BM, given that it has a 240 km radar range. That doesn't preclude the missile from having an excess of performance that a different aircraft with a longer-range radar could exploit.

    I suspect BM can pick up a large target (bomber, whatever) at more than 240km, so why the needless limit on the missile as it applies to the BM?
    Not that it really matters, the chance of a shot where it would run out of range, is miniscule.
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    Re: MiG-31BM Interceptor: News

    Post  GarryB on Wed Mar 07, 2012 1:23 am

    Define original , the last variant widely used in operation in major airforces of world are the R-77 with a range of 80 km , the RuAF would be operating the same.

    The newer variant is R-77-1/RVV-SD is just early entering production

    The first R-77 was a Soviet missile with its active radar homing seeker made in the Ukraine.

    By the time of the breakup of the Soviet Union I very much doubt the missile was in service or the inventory of the Russian AF, and considering the only active aircraft in the Russian AF that could actually use the R-77 were the Mig-29S (Mig-29C) fighters I don't think it entered service in any numbers apart for those used for testing.

    Vympel developed the design and made several hundred in the RVV-AE form for export, but I rather doubt the Russian AF spent any money on buying some because they had very little money to actually spend anyway.

    They will likely have bought a batch for testing new fighters like the Su-35 and Mig-29SMT and Mig-29M and other aircraft that can use the weapon but I rather doubt it went into service.

    The new RVV-SD will likely be the new production standard R-77 and will likely replace any previous models they might have had.

    If you look at it in rifle terms when the AK-100 series is available you don't keep buying the old AK-74... you buy the AK-74M which is the AK-100 series model of full length barrel rifle in 5.45mm calibre.

    Probably because it's the R-37M range as used by the MiG-31BM, given that it has a 240 km radar range. That doesn't preclude the missile from having an excess of performance that a different aircraft with a longer-range radar could exploit.

    I assumed the 240km radar range was against 3 m square or 1 m square fighter type targets and that the bread and butter targets for the missile like tankers and awacs and jstars could be engaged at greater ranges.

    The specs are for 280km against an 8g target...

    I suspect BM can pick up a large target (bomber, whatever) at more than 240km, so why the needless limit on the missile as it applies to the BM?
    Not that it really matters, the chance of a shot where it would run out of range, is miniscule.

    And another point is mentioned in the article that a Mig-31BM can guide/control missiles launched from other aircraft, so a Mig-31BM that has just taken off that is almost 300km from a group of 6 targets could launch its missiles and then land again and rearm while another Mig-31BM that is 200km from the target group can individually guided each weapon to each target... and as they impact it can launch its own missiles to engage any survivors...

    I would add that if anyone bought the Mig-21-98 then with a 60km range radar and R-77 missiles it would be in the same boat.

    Having the ability to kill beyond your vision is the situation anyone who has held a rifle should understand.
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    Re: MiG-31BM Interceptor: News

    Post  George1 on Wed Apr 25, 2012 12:47 am

    http://russianmilitaryphotos.wordpress.com/2012/04/11/new-mig-31-photos/

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    Re: MiG-31BM Interceptor: News

    Post  GarryB on Wed Apr 25, 2012 2:05 am

    A magnificent jet, and one of my favourites.

    Would love to see them spend money on it to make it better... like new 5th gen engines that allow supercruise, new AESA radar, plus rearranged weapons options to allow each of the four wing pylons to carry two R-77s and for the belly positions to carry 6 instead of 4 R-37M missiles.
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    Post  SOC on Wed Apr 25, 2012 6:36 am

    GarryB wrote:A magnificent jet, and one of my favourites.

    Mine as well.

    Russian combat aircraft just look mean. Like they're ready and fully willing to smack you around just for the fun of it attack The last US combat aircraft that I can think of that had the same aesthetic air around it was the F-14.

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    Post  Corrosion on Wed Apr 25, 2012 2:55 pm

    http://russianmilitaryphotos.wordpress.com/2012/04/11/new-mig-31-photos/0_711e7_a7d4bcff_xxl/

    This one is my favourite.
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Apr 25, 2012 3:11 pm

    It is astounding how big this jet is... when you see fully grown adults standing next to it on the ground and their heads are level with the belly of this beast... or even better a rear shot with those enormous pipes at the back...



    Does this make my a$$ look big?

    ...don't answer... its a trap.
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    Post  medo on Wed Apr 25, 2012 4:51 pm

    Excellent pictures. Are there any pictures of armed Mig-31BM?
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    Post  SOC on Wed Apr 25, 2012 6:25 pm

    GarryB wrote:

    Hey, wait a minute, that's a FOXBAT. Time for the annual eye exam tongue

    medo wrote:Excellent pictures. Are there any pictures of armed Mig-31BM?

    Yes, but none carrying anything other than basic MiG-31 weapons (R-33, R-40TD, etc) at this point.
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    Post  GarryB on Thu Apr 26, 2012 12:02 am

    Hey, wait a minute, that's a FOXBAT. Time for the annual eye exam

    I know... but it was the only photo I had with people inside the engine intakes... the way the cockpit hinges to the side is a dead giveaway...

    Father of the Foxhound is cool too.

    Imagine the Foxbat with its 11,000kg engines being fitted with the more powerful and more fuel efficient engines of the Foxhound (15,500kg thrust each)...

    Still the fastest pure turbojet powered aircraft in the world...

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    Post  SOC on Thu Apr 26, 2012 12:29 am

    GarryB wrote:I know... but it was the only photo I had with people inside the engine intakes...

    Intakes? Still need to go in for the eye exam dude pwnd

    GarryB wrote:the way the cockpit hinges to the side is a dead giveaway...

    Along with the single wheel main gear, and the FOXBAT's ubiquitous massive centerline fuel tank.

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