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    Post  d_taddei2 on Thu May 19, 2016 5:18 am

    not news, but does anyone have any idea why the Mig-31 hasn't been exported? i know there was rumours about Syria getting 6 but as far as i am aware nothing was delivered. Seems that Russia isnt interested in exporting it.
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    Post  George1 on Thu May 19, 2016 5:29 am

    d_taddei2 wrote:not news, but does anyone have any idea why the Mig-31 hasn't been exported?  i know there was rumours about Syria getting 6 but as far as i am aware nothing was delivered. Seems that Russia isnt interested in exporting it.

    it is a long range interceptor which was built to take care with US Strategic bombers of Cold War. I dont see it can have any role for other air forces


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    Post  GarryB on Thu May 19, 2016 12:02 pm

    not news, but does anyone have any idea why the Mig-31 hasn't been exported? i know there was rumours about Syria getting 6 but as far as i am aware nothing was delivered. Seems that Russia isnt interested in exporting it.

    It is a very capable but also very specialised aircraft that is also very expensive.

    I would say for countries like Canada, Australia, Iran... with large areas to patrol and relatively small populations could find the Foxbat useful... but obviously politically it is not possible for Canada or Australia and for Iran they have the US equivalent in the F-14 and don't really trust Russia (or the US).


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    Post  Svyatoslavich on Thu May 19, 2016 11:15 pm

    In the 90's MiG had a proposed export variant, the MiG-31E, which even toured some Western countries with a special livery. The intention was to sell surplus Russian air force aircraft to MiG-25 users especially, but like mentioned the high costs and its specialization made that no one was interested.
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    Post  d_taddei2 on Fri May 20, 2016 12:17 am

    some good points have been made i always thought China and India would have purchased it, it would be ideal for both countries. And Algeria could buy 12 to replace its Mig-25
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    Post  GarryB on Fri May 20, 2016 12:14 pm

    I seem to remember Russia decided not to sell MiG-31s to China in the 1990s... mainly because they wanted 2...


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    Post  d_taddei2 on Sat May 21, 2016 4:49 am

    GarryB wrote:I seem to remember Russia decided not to sell MiG-31s to China in the 1990s... mainly because they wanted 2...

    what about Algeria will they replace their Mig-25 with Mig-31? or they going to replace them with their Su-30 and Su-35 when they get them(Su-35).

    on another note the Algeria air force i would have thought they would have had their Su-24 fully upgraded, and whats their plans for their Mig-29? replace or upgrade?
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    Post  medo on Sat May 21, 2016 3:15 pm

    For now Algeria order 14 additional Su-30MKA and 12 Su-32.
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    Post  Dorfmeister on Sat May 21, 2016 5:14 pm

    medo wrote:For now Algeria order 14 additional Su-30MKA and 12 Su-32.

    The Su-30MKA's order has been confirmed but not the one for Su-32/34. Up to now, they plan to order them but no firm order has been placed yet.
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    Post  Viktor on Fri Sep 02, 2016 6:48 pm

    Just EPIC !!!

    Mig-31 versus Granite
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    Post  gaurav on Sun Sep 04, 2016 8:20 am

    Granite is a very (no info given) missile.It remains the core of submarines and many battle cruisers.

    I think that the granit that was tested was one of the earliest models. Granite has history from 1970's and it can be confirmed that granit series had huge amount EW and thermal jammers attached  to it.
    Once again no info is given about the Granit technology which remains quite classified till today.
    No mention in media or press of Granit specifics are given

    We can say for sure(i donno) that this test was carried out by simply Granit propulsion unit. There was no electronic and therml countermeasures deployed by Granit.

    This article does not tell which version of granit was used.This article is basically focused on MIG31 tactics when a land attack cruise missile is fired from sea.
    This test was the first one which released information of Granit interception by MIG31.

    The article basically describes the dynamics and air situation around the MIG31 platform and precisely not the actual target it self.
    On the whole MIG31 is a classic interceptor .
    One example is speed of Granit. Lot of media says it has 2.5 mach number.
    But lets say it was teh first production model may be from 1980ies that had this speed .The new gen Granit may have speed well above that.

    Even the flight trajectory of granit is not a straight line . It canfly high , medium and low and then evasive mauvre .

    The distances given like 40 kms are also not very convincing.It could be larger than that.
    We know for sure that "new generations" of granit have been tested and presently been deployed in some submarines.
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    Post  GarryB on Mon Sep 05, 2016 8:35 am

    The article mentioned how "hard" the Granit is, and that two missiles were needed to defeat the missile due to the level of frontal armour it has.

    It is designed to be protected from 20mm DU rounds fired by Phalanx and HE rounds would be ineffective... note the tiny warhead of SEA RAM and even the 30mm shells of the Goalkeeper will likely be totally ineffective against this missile... but don't tell the west that...


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    Post  Singular_trafo on Mon Sep 05, 2016 7:10 pm

    GarryB wrote:The article mentioned how "hard" the Granit is, and that two missiles were needed to defeat the missile due to the level of frontal armour it has.

    It is designed to be protected from 20mm DU rounds fired by Phalanx and HE rounds would be ineffective... note the tiny warhead of SEA RAM and even the 30mm shells of the Goalkeeper will likely be totally ineffective against this missile... but don't tell the west that...

    I just made a quick back on the envelop calculation, and the Granit kinetic energy is on the same magnitude like the chemical warhead explosive power.

    Se, even if the rocket hit the target in fragments the effect will be devastating.

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    Post  bojcistv on Tue Sep 06, 2016 9:50 am


    This video reminds me how important is airplanes ground crew for the combat readiness. MIG 31 is really an excellent plane.
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    Post  George1 on Fri Oct 14, 2016 2:10 am

    In 2016, the Nizhny Novgorod Aircraft Plant "Sokol" modernized 22 MiG-31

    According to the October 13, 2016 Department of Information and Mass Communications of the Russian Ministry of Defense, Russian Deputy Defense Minister Yuri Borisov arrived on a working visit to the enterprises of the military-industrial complex (MIC) of Nizhny Novgorod. The first item was the visit of aircraft building plant "Sokol".

    "With the plant" Sokol "The Ministry of Defence has a long-term contract for the repair, restoration to the extension of the resource MiG-31 to MiG-31BM level. Total contract involves restoring 113 machine, this year in the plans - 22 cars ", - said Yuri Borisov reporters on arrival at the company.

    He noted that in December the last car of the party should go to the army. "As long as no disruptions No complaints about the plant also", - said the deputy minister.

    Yuri Borisov particularly drew attention to the fact that the company managed to achieve the goal of import substitution at work on this fighter. "There is no dependence we do not have, no worries about it no more," - said the deputy head of the military department.

    Yuri Borisov inspected the plant under the verification of the state defense order OPK enterprises.

    Modernization of fighter-interceptor MiG-31 carried at PJSC "Nizhny Novgorod Aircraft building plant" Sokol "(NAZ "Sokol") under the two contracts with the Ministry of Defense of Russia - a contract dated 1 August 2011 on the modernization in the version of the MiG-31BM / BCM by 2019 of 60 combatant MiG-31, and an additional contract dated November 2014, in which, as is clear from the above statement by the Deputy Minister of defense of Russia Yury Borisov, should be modernized another 53 MiG-31, with the end of the work by the end of 2018.

    In 2012, the NAZ "Sokol" in the framework of the contract in 2011 passed the 10 modernized MiG-31, in 2013 - five planes in 2014 - 16 aircraft, and in 2015 - 11 aircraft. Thus, 2016 will be marked by a significant increase in the rate of modernization of the MiG-31 in the NAZ "Sokol".

    By the beginning of 2016, based on the MiG-31, passed on the modernization of NAZ "Sokol" on earlier agreements until 2012, as well as aircraft, modernized by JSC "514 Aircraft Repair Plant" in Rzhev, the total number of standard modernized MiG 31BM / BSM, set in 2007, the air force (FSI) of Russia has reached, according to available information, 73 units (one of which was lost 4 September 2014).

    It should be noted that, according to available data, in the framework of the contract in 2014 JSC "514 Aircraft Repair Plant" Rzhev and upgrades for at least five MiG-31 (two of which have been modernized in 2015). Thus, only by now planning to upgrade to a total of 150 MiG-31.

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2180951.html


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    Post  Giulio on Tue Nov 15, 2016 7:55 pm

    The long range interceptors in Syria:

    http://alert5.com/2016/11/15/mig-31-appears-at-hmeymim-air-base-syria/
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    Post  medo on Tue Nov 15, 2016 11:01 pm

    Giulio wrote:The long range interceptors in Syria:

    http://alert5.com/2016/11/15/mig-31-appears-at-hmeymim-air-base-syria/

    On the picture it is not MiG-31BM, but standard old MiG-31 with big under wing pylons.
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    Post  George1 on Thu Dec 01, 2016 8:01 am

    Three modernized MiG-31BM entered the 22th Fighter Aviation Regiment. 97 units modernized at the beginning of 2017.

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2296412.html


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    Post  Svyatoslavich on Thu Feb 23, 2017 12:33 am

    This program is worthy for the fantastic scenes (including external) of the MiG-31BM flying at more than 20 km, but has some very wild claims, like that it can destroy targets at near orbit. With what? R-33 surely doesn't have this capability, and I doubt R-37M will have when it finally becomes operational.
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    Post  GarryB on Thu Feb 23, 2017 9:19 am

    AFAIK the R-37M entered production and is in service already.

    The talk about hitting targets in low orbit is interesting... the ISS is in low earth orbit at about 350km altitude, but something in 100km low earth orbit should be reachable by a 300km range AAM in theory.

    Also with the ABM treaty gone then the equivalent agreements on anti satellite weapons become void so they could have reactivated the anti satellite weapon developed for the MiG-31D.

    An S-500 adapted to be launched from a zoom climbing MiG-31 would be a very interesting system... for launching satellites and for knocking them down.


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    Post  Azi on Fri Feb 24, 2017 11:13 am

    Svyatoslavich wrote:This program is worthy for the fantastic scenes (including external) of the MiG-31BM flying at more than 20 km, but has some very wild claims, like that it can destroy targets at near orbit. With what? R-33 surely doesn't have this capability, and I doubt R-37M will have when it finally becomes operational.
    They developed a satellite killer for two special modified Mig-31D (code 071 and 072 Blue). A 79m6 missile was used. So that's really true! I don't know if they stopped the program or not, finally!?

    Worth reading...
    "Mig-31 Interceptor" written by Yefim Gordon and Dmitriy Komissarov

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    Post  Svyatoslavich on Sat Feb 25, 2017 12:18 am

    Azi wrote:
    They developed a satellite killer for two special modified Mig-31D (code 071 and 072 Blue). A 79m6 missile was used. So that's really true! I don't know if they stopped the program or not, finally!?

    Worth reading...
    "Mig-31 Interceptor" written by Yefim Gordon and Dmitriy Komissarov
    Yes, I know about the MiG-31D program (also read some books by Gordon, including the one about the MiG-31), but it was cancelled long ago, in the early 90's. We can be quite sure that there is no Russian (or from any other country for that matter) airplane-launched ASAT missile in operation today.
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    Post  GarryB on Sat Feb 25, 2017 4:10 am

    But can we?

    With the S-500 they will have a missile able to shoot down ICBMs... but also able to shoot down satellites which in many ways are just the same thing.

    When the US withdrew from the ABM treaty and China started shooting down satellites I would think Russia had a look at its old programmes and new programmes and has restarted or created new programmes for that sort of role.

    A MiG-31 launched S-500 would be vastly superior in performance to a ground based S-500 missile... launched from mid air it no longer has to fly through the thickest part of the atmosphere and it already moving at at least supersonic speed... which means when it fires up its rocket motor it is already moving fast and most of the way through the most difficult part of its journey so it will have plenty of energy to spend in speed and range.

    They are restarting production of the Tu-160 with new materials and design... an interceptor version could be made... a space launch version could be made... that space launch model could be assigned an anti satellite role as a military mission rather easily...

    A blackjack size aircraft could launch an enormous rocket...


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    Post  Big_Gazza on Sun Feb 26, 2017 1:52 am

    The biggest advantage that a MiG-31/Tu-160 launched ASAT missile has over any land-based system is the ability to rapidly place the missile in the optimum position to engage an orbital target, ie locate the firing platform under the targets orbital track. The kinetic potential of the misisle is maximised and its operational envelope is optimised, allowing it to effectively reach higher orbits.

    it also means that hostile payloads orbiting over Russian airspace is ALWAYS at risk from attack, and not just when passing nearby known land-based missile defense bases, and this greatly complicates the operating scenarios of the enemy side.

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