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    MiG-31BM/Κ Interceptor/Attack aircraft: News

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    Post  medo Thu Sep 25, 2014 8:14 pm

    MiG-31BM/Κ Interceptor/Attack aircraft: News - Page 14 Cockpi10

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    Two pictures of navigation device. It is not classical paper map navigation device with two sticks running up-down and left-right to form cross in front of map to show your position on the map. Problem is, when you prepare paper map for this device, there are more layers of paper and no light from behind could be seen, so it need sticks in front of map and it is usually bigger than this one in MiG-31. Also this one is screwed and I doubt pilot have time to screw it all the time to change maps in it and calibrate device flying and 2+ Mach in distance more than 1000 km. It either have special maps made on special paper for this device and place by technicians before flight for area of flying route with proper measure to cover that area, or this is a device working with map on microfilm also placed with technicians before flight and microfilm could easier cover larger area and could move the map, when plane comes out of area , that pilot could always see, where the plane is.

    Although it is mechanical device, it is excellent thing, which show pilot the position of plane on the map in real time and all calculations are made by plane computer. Of course today GPS/GLONASS devices with LCD screens are far better, but this was in use before GPS was created.
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    Post  TR1 Thu Sep 25, 2014 9:30 pm

    That is the PA-4-3 moving map display, part of the KN-25 navigation system. The stick you see next to the map is what the pilot uses to move the map around.

    Nice vid, never seen it in action before.
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    Post  medo Thu Sep 25, 2014 9:50 pm

    TR1 wrote:That is the PA-4-3 moving map display, part of the KN-25 navigation system. The stick you see next to the map is what the pilot uses to move the map around.

    Nice vid, never seen it in action before.

    Thanks for answer. Not much about it on the net, only that it is paper moving map display, what mean it have special paper map placed inside, that moving mechanism could move it in any way and that the light marker could be seen on it. Although mechanical display, it have to be connected with computer and autopilot to synchronize position of map and light marker with actual position of plane. Not a GPS, but still a very helpful working device.
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    Post  TR1 Thu Sep 25, 2014 10:22 pm

    Indeed, pretty much as good as inertial navigation got back in the day.

    Sadly cool mechanical devices like this are almost all gone now, just boring MDF with satellite feed Sad .
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    Post  medo Thu Sep 25, 2014 10:35 pm

    TR1 wrote:Indeed, pretty much as good as inertial navigation got back in the day.

    Sadly cool mechanical devices like this are almost all gone now, just boring MDF with satellite feed Sad .

    Agree. They should keep those devices as back up to satellite navigation for case of satellite signal jamming. Unfortunately, there is no picture of this side panel on MiG-31BM to see, if it keep this device.
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    Post  GarryB Fri Sep 26, 2014 5:56 am

    Being mechanical they did take up space and were subject to g effect etc.

    I seem to remember a photo of the rear position of the MiG-31BM with three large MFD across the cockpit but with a small MFD on the side console.

    I would assume all the MFD screens could display map and nav information depending on what was important at the time, though I would expect radar and IRST data could be combined on one tactical display leaving two main screens free for nav or fuel or weapons management or the ESM situation etc etc.

    MiG-31BM/Κ Interceptor/Attack aircraft: News - Page 14 Mig31b10

    Oh how frustrating... the above shows the small side MFD, but behind it shows what appears to be that joystick controller... is there a new digital Map display to replace the old paper map version?

    Looking at the control panel on the older MiG-31s:

    MiG-31BM/Κ Interceptor/Attack aircraft: News - Page 14 Az_mig10

    In front of the old joystick is a keypad with yellow buttons... I suspect either navigation or radio communication pad. I would suspect the new small MFD replaces that, but without a better view we can't see if the map is replaced... I suspect it would be made digital, but without the right photo.

    BTW those L band wing mounted AESAs, they are more than just passive listening systems to detect Link 16 emissions... the term AESA means Actively Electronically Scanned Array, which means it sends out a beam and detects the return signal and that it scans electronically rather than with physical movement of the assembly.
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    Post  Mike E Fri Sep 26, 2014 6:08 am

    GarryB wrote:BTW those L band wing mounted AESAs, they are more than just passive listening systems to detect Link 16 emissions... the term AESA means Actively Electronically Scanned Array, which means it sends out a beam and detects the return signal and that it scans electronically rather than with physical movement of the assembly.
    You mean the one on the PAK-FA right? AESA does point to it being a real "detection system", but it is far too small to be of any use there... As mentioned before, it is most likely an advanced transponder.
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    Post  kvs Sat Sep 27, 2014 3:03 am

    Mike E wrote:
    GarryB wrote:BTW those L band wing mounted AESAs, they are more than just passive listening systems to detect Link 16 emissions... the term AESA means Actively Electronically Scanned Array, which means it sends out a beam and detects the return signal and that it scans electronically rather than with physical movement of the assembly.
    You mean the one on the PAK-FA right? AESA does point to it being a real "detection system", but it is far too small to be of any use there... As mentioned before, it is most likely an advanced transponder.

    Over at the Key Publishing aviation forum we have rather convincing evidence being shown of Russia adopting Gallium Nitride amplifiers. These have a very high gain compared to the amplifiers used in current radars and could transform the small wing mounted radar into a much more capable unit. I do not think we have a clear idea what is going to be equipped in the PAK-FA.
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    Post  GarryB Sat Sep 27, 2014 8:54 am

    You mean the one on the PAK-FA right? AESA does point to it being a real "detection system", but it is far too small to be of any use there... As mentioned before, it is most likely an advanced transponder.

    The advertisement from the company that makes it seems to make it clear it is an AESA radar... it could just use a horizontal array of elements that electronically scan horizontally and vertically to find targets.

    It is also described and being designed for a range of aircraft including Flankers.. 27, 30, 35:


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    Post  medo Sun Sep 28, 2014 10:28 am

    GarryB wrote:Being mechanical they did take up space and were subject to g effect etc.

    I seem to remember a photo of the rear position of the MiG-31BM with three large MFD across the cockpit but with a small MFD on the side console.

    I would assume all the MFD screens could display map and nav information depending on what was important at the time, though I would expect radar and IRST data could be combined on one tactical display leaving two main screens free for nav or fuel or weapons management or the ESM situation etc etc.

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    Oh how frustrating... the above shows the small side MFD, but behind it shows what appears to be that joystick controller... is there a new digital Map display to replace the old paper map version?

    Looking at the control panel on the older MiG-31s:

    MiG-31BM/Κ Interceptor/Attack aircraft: News - Page 14 Az_mig10

    In front of the old joystick is a keypad with yellow buttons... I suspect either navigation or radio communication pad. I would suspect the new small MFD replaces that, but without a better view we can't see if the map is replaced... I suspect it would be made digital, but without the right photo.

    BTW those L band wing mounted AESAs, they are more than just passive listening systems to detect Link 16 emissions... the term AESA means Actively Electronically Scanned Array, which means it sends out a beam and detects the return signal and that it scans electronically rather than with physical movement of the assembly.

    MiG-31BM/Κ Interceptor/Attack aircraft: News - Page 14 35_710

    Cockpit with 3 LCDs is from MiG-31BM prototype, serial have 2 LCDs and have the same keypad with yellow buttons as old MiG-31 (here are buttons in black), but picture didn't show right side panel long enough to see if it have paper moving map navigational device. If this pad is connected with device, than it most probably have it.
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    Post  GarryB Tue Sep 30, 2014 8:15 am

    Behind the keypad in your photo is the joystick for the map display.

    I just think with all the upgrades that it likely is no longer a paper map system now, that it has been updated with a digital system.
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    Post  George1 Wed Oct 15, 2014 3:19 pm

    Russia to Base MiG-31 Interceptors at Arctic Airfield: Air Force Commander

    KAZAN, October 15 (RIA Novosti) – Starting from 2017, the Russian Air Force will base MiG-31 interceptor jets and tactical aircraft at a Russian Arctic airfield in the urban settlement of Tiksi in northernmost Sakha Republic, Commander Col. Gen. Viktor Bondarev said Wednesday.

    "Reconstruction of the Tiksi airfield will certainly begin next year. A formation of tactical aircraft and MiG-31 interceptors will be based at the airfield in 2017. MiG-31 will be also based at an airfield in Anadyr [the capital of Chukotka Autonomous Area]," Bondarev said during an inspection visit to Air Force facilities under construction.

    In July, the Russia Air Force announced that Russian long-range aviation bases are increasing their presence in the Arctic.

    Russia has been seeking to strengthen its military, political and economic position in the Arctic for some time. In April, Russian President Vladimir Putin authorized the establishment of a new state body for the realization of Russian policies in the region. The president also commissioned the government to prepare plans for the full financial support of the Arctic's development program.
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    Post  medo Wed Oct 15, 2014 9:10 pm

    George1 wrote:Russia to Base MiG-31 Interceptors at Arctic Airfield: Air Force Commander

    KAZAN, October 15 (RIA Novosti) – Starting from 2017, the Russian Air Force will base MiG-31 interceptor jets and tactical aircraft at a Russian Arctic airfield in the urban settlement of Tiksi in northernmost Sakha Republic, Commander Col. Gen. Viktor Bondarev said Wednesday.

    "Reconstruction of the Tiksi airfield will certainly begin next year. A formation of tactical aircraft and MiG-31 interceptors will be based at the airfield in 2017. MiG-31 will be also based at an airfield in Anadyr [the capital of Chukotka Autonomous Area]," Bondarev said during an inspection visit to Air Force facilities under construction.

    In July, the Russia Air Force announced that Russian long-range aviation bases are increasing their presence in the Arctic.

    Russia has been seeking to strengthen its military, political and economic position in the Arctic for some time. In April, Russian President Vladimir Putin authorized the establishment of a new state body for the realization of Russian policies in the region. The president also commissioned the government to prepare plans for the full financial support of the Arctic's development program.

    This is expected. I hope they will speed up modernization of MiG-31 to MiG-31BM standard to equip arctic bases in arctic islands and in northern parts of continent.
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    Post  George1 Wed Oct 15, 2014 11:04 pm

    medo wrote:
    George1 wrote:Russia to Base MiG-31 Interceptors at Arctic Airfield: Air Force Commander

    KAZAN, October 15 (RIA Novosti) – Starting from 2017, the Russian Air Force will base MiG-31 interceptor jets and tactical aircraft at a Russian Arctic airfield in the urban settlement of Tiksi in northernmost Sakha Republic, Commander Col. Gen. Viktor Bondarev said Wednesday.

    "Reconstruction of the Tiksi airfield will certainly begin next year. A formation of tactical aircraft and MiG-31 interceptors will be based at the airfield in 2017. MiG-31 will be also based at an airfield in Anadyr [the capital of Chukotka Autonomous Area]," Bondarev said during an inspection visit to Air Force facilities under construction.

    In July, the Russia Air Force announced that Russian long-range aviation bases are increasing their presence in the Arctic.

    Russia has been seeking to strengthen its military, political and economic position in the Arctic for some time. In April, Russian President Vladimir Putin authorized the establishment of a new state body for the realization of Russian policies in the region. The president also commissioned the government to prepare plans for the full financial support of the Arctic's development program.

    This is expected. I hope they will speed up modernization of MiG-31 to MiG-31BM standard to equip arctic bases in arctic islands and in northern parts of continent.

    and i also think that this is a sign that we will go from 60-70 MiG-31BMs to 100 approx
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    Post  medo Thu Oct 16, 2014 5:08 pm

    I would say around 60-72 MiG-31BM will be needed in Arctic bases. I hope all of them will be with IFR capabilities to prolong their distance or flying time over Arctic. Even if original planes are without them, it is not such problem to install it inside.
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    Post  Viktor Mon Nov 10, 2014 6:53 pm

    Nice thumbsup

    Tverskaya Street Fighter Wing received two MiG-31BM
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    Post  medo Thu Nov 27, 2014 7:44 pm

    http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20141127/1035386047.html

    Russian MoD sign a new contract to modernize 50 more MiG-31 to MiG-31BM till the end of 2018. This is most probably 4 squadrons for Arctic region. Very Happy thumbsup
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    Post  Viktor Thu Nov 27, 2014 8:40 pm

    medo wrote:http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20141127/1035386047.html

    Russian MoD sign a new contract to modernize 50 more MiG-31 to MiG-31BM till the end of 2018. This is most probably 4 squadrons for Arctic region. Very Happy thumbsup

    Nice one man ! thumbsup

    They where saying about new type of modernization currently in development and perhaps something new might be applied to this new batch. Anyway those 50 is not the end

    and most probably much higher number is in pipeline as paralel contract could be signed as well.

    And check this out ....


    These aircraft have a modern management system, target detection range reached 320 kilometers range of defeat - 280 kilometers. Fighter capable of simultaneously hitting six air targets and track up to ten targets

    My vote thumbsup
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    Post  medo Thu Nov 27, 2014 9:06 pm

    I more hope, that with further development of MiG-31BM, they will integrate ECM/ESM pod like Talisman, which have RWR, MAWS and jammer inside, for better protection of fighter. Talisman pod could be easily placed on R-73 pylon, which MiG-31BM have and under Talisman pod they could place R-73 launcher, so no missile lost to ECM pods.
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    Post  Sujoy Fri Nov 28, 2014 3:09 pm

    This means each of the 50 Mig-31s will be upgraded at a cost of $12.6 million each. That's a serious amount of money.

    Wonder what these upgrades will be.
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    Post  GarryB Fri Nov 28, 2014 11:07 pm

    I assumed it was further upgrades to MiG-31BM standard... ie new cockpit displays, addition of the R-37M (ie the 280km engagement range weapons mentioned) and no doubt other improvements to navigation and other systems.
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    Post  Viktor Tue Dec 02, 2014 7:58 pm

    8 modernized MiG-31 just delivered to RuAF  thumbsup


    Eight MiG available for analysis ZVO
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    Post  Viktor Tue Dec 09, 2014 7:33 pm

    Nice thumbsup


    MiG-31 provide the engine for the next two to three decades

    "There were made about 1500 of D-30F6. The existing fleet of engines allows MiG-31 by the engine for about 20-30 years, "- said A.Inozemtsev, quoted by Interfax-AVN.

    "The D-30F6 will not remain unchanged, there is a program of its modernization, including in terms of output at higher speeds," - said A.Inozemtsev.
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    Post  medo Tue Dec 09, 2014 8:40 pm

    Viktor wrote:Nice  thumbsup


    MiG-31 provide the engine for the next two to three decades

    "There were made about 1500 of D-30F6. The existing fleet of engines allows MiG-31 by the engine for about 20-30 years, "- said A.Inozemtsev, quoted by Interfax-AVN.  

    "The D-30F6 will not remain unchanged, there is a program of its modernization, including in terms of output at higher speeds," - said A.Inozemtsev.

    This is more than enough. In time of 20 to 30 years MiG-31 will be replaced with a new interceptor and the newest planes will be than 40 to 50 years old and old enough for retirement.
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    Post  Viktor Tue Dec 09, 2014 9:03 pm

    medo wrote:This is more than enough. In time of 20 to 30 years MiG-31 will be replaced with a new interceptor and the newest planes will be than 40 to 50 years old and old enough for retirement.

    Yes, luckily this is extremely huge stash of engines.


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