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    Re: MiG-31BM Interceptor: News

    Post  Viktor on Wed Sep 12, 2012 12:37 pm

    There is scandal looming over MIG-31 modernization program.

    Vitaly Orlov the man who spearheaded MIG-31 radar program argues that

    Barrier-AM radar and digital signal processor Bagguete-55 that are main part of MIG-31BM modernization program

    are not up to the specs required and actually degrades MIG-31 performance. He is not pleased with avionics also.

    Well no matter who is right and wrong this story will not end up here and at the end we (the readers) will eventually end up

    with more info about the thing and planed MIG-31BM modernization.

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    Post  medo on Wed Sep 12, 2012 4:18 pm

    It sounds like those quasi scientists and their critics of Pantsir-S1 based on Youtube videos.

    Mig-31BM is now for some years in the air so RuAF for sure know what capabilities its Zaslon radar and computers have.
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    Post  TR1 on Wed Sep 12, 2012 9:43 pm

    Yeah I am not sure how the RuAF could have missed worse performance of the radar.
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    Post  George1 on Thu Sep 13, 2012 1:23 am

    GarryB wrote:

    what about special warhead for UFOs? Smile))))
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    Post  medo on Thu Sep 13, 2012 4:47 pm

    GarryB wrote:

    If my memory is correct, in nineties they plan to use Tu-160 to launch missiles with satellites in space. But in that time Russia have no money for such ideas.
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    Post  SOC on Thu Sep 13, 2012 10:44 pm

    That was the Burlak program I believe. Pretty much similar to the US Pegasus SLV concept, involving an air-launched rocket used to deliver small satellites. They exhibited a Burlak mockup with a Tu-160 at one point but nothing seems to have come from it.

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    Post  Mindstorm on Fri Sep 14, 2012 1:57 am

    Around those programs founded around MiG-31 as carrying/delivering vector , exist a certain amount of mist :


    The aircraft involved in those special-goal programs was MiG-31D "product 07"- МиГ-31Д -изделие 07 - 01/02- , around this aircraft was conducted three distinctive programs :


    1) A vector for the space delivery at precise orbits of small weight satellites military or civilians (up to an altitude of 600 km) ;the image posted by GarryB refere obviously to this program ,the name of the system was Ishim - «Ишим»-








    2) A vector for a very advanced (the most advanced ,by far, for its years) Anti-Satellite-Interceptor ,designed and produced y Company "Vympel", with capability to realign itself toward current enemy satellites orbit during interception phase

    This is a brief article from "Наука и Техника" by Sergey Moroz (Мороз С.Г. ,better known for its books on Russian aviation Vehicles and Weapons) providing some details on this highly covered program ...and giving also some hints on other capabilities of the domestic MiG-31's radar and weapons, in those years.


    http://www.nt-magazine.ru/nt/node/6547


    3) The vector for an hypersonic-propulsion- test vehicle ГЛЛ-31 (HFL, Hypersonic Flying Laboratory - 31) , achieving the greater result at world in dense atmospheric layers scramjet hypersonic propulsion (designed by CIAM).


    Propulsion





    Hypersonic vehicle's layout






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    Post  George1 on Thu Sep 20, 2012 10:49 pm

    MiG-31 could be developed in a strike fighter like F-15E?

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    Post  Mindstorm on Thu Sep 20, 2012 11:58 pm



    MiG-31 could be developed in a strike fighter like F-15E?


    Obviously not .
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    Post  GarryB on Fri Sep 21, 2012 12:14 am

    MiG-31 could be developed in a strike fighter like F-15E?

    It certainly could but there would be no point.

    They are not making any more Mig-31s so they ones they do have in service will be covering large empty areas of Siberia as an interceptor.

    Why turn the Mig-31 into an F-15E when it will never come across any ground targets in Siberia?

    Equally why waste money changing the Mig-31 into a long range strike aircraft when the Su-34 is already entering service and the Tu-22M3s are being upgraded to Tu-22M3Ms?

    Which model of F-15E has a combat radius of 2,000km with a 24 ton payload without inflight refuelling?


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    Post  George1 on Fri Sep 21, 2012 12:27 am

    GarryB wrote:
    MiG-31 could be developed in a strike fighter like F-15E?

    It certainly could but there would be no point.

    They are not making any more Mig-31s so they ones they do have in service will be covering large empty areas of Siberia as an interceptor.

    Why turn the Mig-31 into an F-15E when it will never come across any ground targets in Siberia?

    Equally why waste money changing the Mig-31 into a long range strike aircraft when the Su-34 is already entering service and the Tu-22M3s are being upgraded to Tu-22M3Ms?

    Which model of F-15E has a combat radius of 2,000km with a 24 ton payload without inflight refuelling?

    Τhere are 140 Mig-31B produced between 1990-1994, not so old they can serve for another 20 years. They must exploit this number of existing aircrafts
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    Post  GarryB on Fri Sep 21, 2012 2:24 am

    The last figure I heard said either 60 or 100 would be upgraded by 2020, which suggests if needed the rest could be upgraded after that, or not.

    Either way they have been in use for the last 20 odd years with minimal maintainence and support because of funding issues. The ones that don't get upgrades will not be worth converting into strike aircraft.

    The new Aerospace Defence Forces might find a whole bunch of money and give them a decent upgrade... nice big AESA radars, redesigned bellys for 8 RVV-BD missiles and a new 8 pylon wing for long range scramjet powered R-77s and short range 9M100 missiles.


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    Post  SOC on Fri Sep 21, 2012 2:29 am

    Good luck getting eight RVV-BD's under the fuselage. If you redesign the underside six is probably the limit; the MiG-31M fit six R-37 and it was pretty crowded under there! Wasn't the MiG-31M a bit wider anyway?
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    Post  GarryB on Fri Sep 21, 2012 2:57 am

    Actually three fitted side by side under the Mig-31M, so actually they should go for 5 abreast for an upgrade.

    It doesn't matter if the two outside missiles stick out a bit... the Tornado and F-15 both had conformal positions there for Skyflash/Sparrow missiles... it is not like such a weapon arrangement would suddenly become high drag.

    The main issue would be the undercarriage because the way the wheels move forward and retract where the airbrakes are.

    I am pretty sure the Mig-31M is no wider than previous models, it is just that the R-37 has slimmer fins and could be located closer together.

    In fact I would think if the undercarriage and airbrake were redesigned to retract up and in from the side you could probably fit 6 abreast.

    The obvious question is could you redesign the undercarriage that way and what effect would it have on the air brakes performance.

    Of course a redesign of the undercarriage could do away with the airbrakes and the twin vertical tail control surfaces could be used for air brakes instead... the advantage would then be that the airbrakes would not need to be deployed during take off to retract the undercarriage.

    With much less fuss 6 weapons on the belly and retain existing undercarriage arrangement and extra wing pylons for more weapons would make sense... especially if they are very long wing pylons able to take twin tandem missile arrangements. The R-77 and R-33 and R-37 are all pneumatically thrown downwards before launch so carrying them in tandem would not result in launch damage to the rear weapon but it would reduce drag.

    6 wasn't jam packed...



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    Post  TR1 on Fri Sep 21, 2012 4:05 am

    George1 wrote:MiG-31 could be developed in a strike fighter like F-15E?

    What would be the point?
    Flanker is a far better candidate for multirole strike.
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    Re: MiG-31BM Interceptor: News

    Post  medo on Fri Sep 21, 2012 4:16 pm

    Τhere are 140 Mig-31B produced between 1990-1994, not so old they can serve for another 20 years. They must exploit this number of existing aircrafts

    I think they will be those, which will be modernized to Mig-31BM standard.
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    Post  George1 on Tue Sep 25, 2012 12:54 pm

    Russia to Base MiG-31 Interceptors in Arctic

    The Russian Defense Ministry is to base MiG-31 long-range interceptors at the Rogachyovo Arctic base on the island of Novaya Zemlya by the end of the year to defend against attack from the north, Izvestia reported on Tuesday quoting military sources.

    "The MiG-31 squadron will be the main element of Russia's developing anti-missile defense system - the MiG-31 is capable of intercepting not only strike aircraft, but also cruise missiles with nuclear warheads from the Barents Sea to the shores of the Laptev Sea," the source said.

    Military analyst Anatoly Tsyganok says the MiG-31BM has a range of 900 miles (1,450 km) on internal fuel, which can be extended to 3,355 miles (5,400 km) with air-to-air refuelling.

    Although Russia does not have complete ground-based radar coverage across its northern areas, he explained, the two-seat MiG-31 can intercept targets up to 124 miles (200 km) away thanks to its advanced radar and long-range missiles.

    The MiG-31, the fastest fighter-interceptor in service anywhere in the world, has recently been the subject of a comprehensive upgrade to MiG-31BM standard.

    The modernized version boasts upgraded avionics and digital data-links, a new multimode radar, color multifunction cockpit displays, and a more powerful fire-control system. It can simultaneously track up to 10 targets.

    Earlier this year, the Air Force said it was testing a new advanced air-to-air missile, which aviation analysts told RIA Novosti was likely to be the K-37M (also known as RVV-BD or AA-X-13 to NATO). This could be deployed on the MiG-31BM, significantly enhancing its long-range interception performance against cruise missiles.

    An Air Force representative said there will be no problem basing the advanced supersonic MiGs on the frozen island, as the airfield has a good runway and a full range of facilities for those based and living there, including their families.

    Russia has based the 63 Fighter Squadron equipped with Sukhoi Su-27 fighters at Rogachyovo since 1993.

    http://en.rian.ru/mlitary_news/20120925/176212312.html
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    Post  medo on Tue Sep 25, 2012 4:34 pm

    Wasn't Mig-31 present in Arctic region before or it's about Mig-31BM which first unit will now serve in that region?
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Sep 26, 2012 5:13 am

    Mig-31s have been used in such bases AFAIK, so I suspect this is the first deployment of BMs.

    I understand the base they are going to operates Su-27s... I wonder if they will be used or go into storage.

    I rather expect that such a base would be largely subordinate to the Aerospace Defence Forces, for air defence (PVO) type operations.

    I would suspect that it would be the VKKO that pays for the upgrades to the Mig-31s... and if that is true then I hope they get a nice large budget... Smile


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    Post  Viktor on Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:55 am

    Interesting article from lenta.ru today

    For the first time I have ever seen is being reported about the MIG-31BM modernization

    So in 2012 we have 12 MIG-31BM introduced. Does anybody know how many that makes in total?

    RuAF plans to modernize 60 planes to BM standard by 2020 but at this rate either they will stoop with modernization thing much sooner

    than 2020 or they will modernize much higher number by 2020.

    The upgraded MiG-31 went on duty near Krasnoyarsk

    At the airport "Kansk" Krasnoyarsk arrived six modernized interceptor MiG-31. According to RIA Novosti referring to the representative of the Central Military Command (CVO), the aircraft went on duty in the second part of the Air Force and Air Defense.
    According to the source, the aircraft went through a deep upgrade to the version of the MiG-31BM. In particular, the fighters got a new weapon control system, which can detect targets at a distance of up to 320 kilometers and hit them at a distance of 280 kilometers. The aircraft can simultaneously track up to ten to six and hit aerial targets.

    A total of 2012 aircraft CVO received nine MiG-31BM. Previously reported to the Air Force plans to upgrade to the 2020 version of the BM 60 aircraft MiG-31.

    In total, according to the International Institute for Strategic Studies (IISS), in service with the Russian Air Force are 198 fighter-interceptor MiG-31. Flightglobal MiliCAS estimates their number at 146 cars.

    The MiG-31 is designed for two-person crew, can reach speeds of up to 3,000 kilometers per hour and has a combat radius of 720 kilometers. Aircraft is in service with six-barrel GSh-6-23, as well as missile air-to-air on six hardpoints.


    http://lenta.ru/news/2012/12/11/mig31bm/

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    Post  medo on Tue Dec 11, 2012 1:08 pm

    I think there were around 20 Mig-31BM before 2012.
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    Post  GarryB on Tue Dec 11, 2012 11:03 pm

    I remember reading another article where an official was talking about 100 upgraded Mig-31s by 2020. I thought the 60 upgrades by 2020 was the Tu-22M3M.

    Maybe I have them the wrong way around, but I think 100 upgraded Mig-31s would be more useful than 100 upgraded Tu-22M3M aircraft... though obviously I would prefer 100 of both.


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    Post  Viktor on Fri Dec 21, 2012 3:00 am

    Interesting report.

    Apparently R-37M is finished and will enter in service in mid 2013.

    On the other hand this is Izvyestia


    MiG-31BM from mid-2013 will be equipped with new long-range missiles - "News"


    TSAMTO December 20. Russian fighter aircraft several times to increase its striking power. This will happen with the adoption for service MiG-31BM long-range missiles to 37m-class "air-to-air," write "News."
    A senior source in the Main Command of the Air Force said "News" that the missiles are fully debugged in the ICD "Vympel" them. Toropova and war await them next summer.

    The source said the "Izvestia", the new missiles capable of striking high-speed air targets at a distance of about 200 km.

    As they say, "News", the performance characteristics of K-37m were not disclosed, and is now known only basic. In particular, according to the newspaper, "after the target coordinates missile uses an inertial guidance system. Just before to include the active seeker, which leaves little time to dodge missiles. The missile can destroy targets maneuvering overload to 8g, that is highly maneuverable aircraft such as F-16 and F-22 fifth generation. GSN is resistant to electronic warfare. Mass of the rocket - more than 500 lbs. In the final segment of the flight speed reaches its 6M. "

    Interlocutor "News" in the Main Command of the Air Force said that the long-range missiles needed MiG-31, as it is intended to be a long-range interceptors.

    http://www.armstrade.org/includes/periodics/news/2012/1220/100516276/detail.shtml
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    Front seat and back seat of RuAF Mig-31BM. Not so many LCDs as in prototype.

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