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    Post  Arrow on Tue May 16, 2017 5:59 pm

    S-400 can engage balistic warhead from about 60 km. Stealth aircraft it can visible about 40km. This is very short range SAM system for stealth airplane Laughing Where is 40N6 ? Laughing
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    Post  Isos on Tue May 16, 2017 7:18 pm

    A mig-29/35 guided by the ground is as stealth as the F-22. When it comes to its 6, it's finish for the US fighter. Land based systems can jam X band so that the US fighter won't see anything while russian ground based radars operating in other frequency band can see them.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krasukha_EW_System

    This thing as 300km range. Put 5 of them on the border of your country and no fighter in the air can use its radar. Add many more less sophisticated system that make more parasite and noise and it's even harder. The fight will be with guns and IR missile.
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    Post  AlfaT8 on Tue May 16, 2017 8:05 pm

    Ooh Kek, not again, this stealth vs anti-stealth thing simply has to many variables, we know that the U.S has stealth and we know Russia has put a lot of work over the years in there AD systems, network and radars in general, how it'll play out is anyone best guess, and the reality is, i don't think the U.S air-force wants to find out.

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    Post  obliqueweapons on Wed May 17, 2017 12:49 am

    Can't you just put a radar wave reader is space, that sees the missing radar wave?

    So F-22 and other stealth fighters deflect or absorb radar waves. If it deflects the up coming waves in space, it will see missing radar wave that got deflected from that spot or absorb?

    So with a system over your country you can still detect stealth fighters.

    I would also thing bout making a laser radar. A laser beam in space spreads out and is hit by lasers "that" or radar waves hit it showing it missing...what ever works.





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    How to detect all stealth jet's.

    Post  obliqueweapons on Wed May 17, 2017 1:30 am

    Can't you just put a radar wave reader is space, that sees the missing radar wave?

    So F-22 and other stealth fighters deflect or absorb radar waves. If it deflects the up coming waves in space, it will see missing radar wave that got deflected from that spot or absorb?

    So with a system over your country you can still detect stealth fighters.

    I would also think bout making a laser radar. A laser beam in space spreads out from a satellite. The laser beam goes all the way around the satellite, and comes out covering a huge area. Now radar waves can be read by it or a ground laser beam will scan the sky on good days.

    Ether way it will detect stealth fighters before todays radar would.

    It's all about detecting the missing radar wave or laser beam or a system like that, that works...Test it.


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    Post  GarryB on Wed May 17, 2017 12:02 pm

    S-400 can engage balistic warhead from about 60 km. Stealth aircraft it can visible about 40km.

    The effective range against ballistic targets is limited by the steep trajectory of long range ballistic weapons.

    The equivalent range for PAC-3 against ballistic targets is about 12km.

    With metric wave radar a small stealth aircraft can be detected at hundreds of kms.

    A Pantsir-S1 could detect an F-22 or F-35 with IIR sensors and pass target data to the IADS network so anything could hit them.
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    Post  GarryB on Wed May 17, 2017 12:11 pm

    For that to work the sensor in space would need to be between the stealth target and the ground emitter... even with billions of satellites you could not maintain coverage of your airspace...

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    Post  obliqueweapons on Fri May 19, 2017 3:31 am

    GarryB wrote:
    S-400 can engage balistic warhead from about 60 km. Stealth aircraft it can visible about 40km.

    The effective range against ballistic targets is limited by the steep trajectory of long range ballistic weapons.

    The equivalent range for PAC-3 against ballistic targets is about 12km.

    With metric wave radar a small stealth aircraft can be detected at hundreds of kms.

    A Pantsir-S1 could detect an F-22 or F-35 with IIR sensors and pass target data to the IADS network so anything could hit them.

    You only need to defend your weapons, so you would only use 1 satellite to cover your weapons.

    What's the first thing a F-22 will go for? Then you don't need billions of satellites but handfuls.

    F-22 will go for S-400s and so on, so cover them near the border.

    It would be good if you could make a laser base radar. 1 satellite in space could cover a huge distance. The satellite would have a laser all the way around it shining out covering a huge area. You then make earth bases lasers that flicker it the sky scanning an area at a time.

    The enemy can't get deep into your country, because the laser will hit there jets.

    Anyway if a Pantsir-s1 does the job so be it.
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    Post  GarryB on Sat May 20, 2017 9:14 am

    The picture you drew shows an emission from a ground based radar being absorbed or redirected and a space satellite behind it detecting the gap in the signal from the ground radar.

    For this to work the space based satellite needs to be aligned with the stealth aircraft to detect the gap in the signal.

    The odds of one satellite being in the right place at the right time is next to zero as the satellite is also moving very fast too.

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    Post  obliqueweapons on Wed Jun 07, 2017 3:28 am

    400 Russian jets V 1,000 working U.S jets.

    10min 10 seconds video link.

    1, we work in packs of 50 and have clip on tanks that spray chemicals out in a dog fight, why dropping heat seeking missile that turn on in 3 or so seconds.....Behind enemy jets. .

    2. We attack low and spray the sky with chemicals / particles and ash that charges the sky....More like a basic chemicals that do the same.

    3. We make mass S-400 missiles that have 40 small lock-on inferred missiles in them also.

    4. we spray and ionise air molecules, that flame up enemy jets engines. That or spray a chemical that does the same.

    5. The chemicals / electrons and ash will heat the jets up instantly, and Inferred missiles will lock-on big time.

    6. Can ever drop them off in artillery shells, that kick start its speed instantly to 2,000 - 6,000km/h. They lock on and turn back to the fighter instantly.

    Volcanic ash, as seen on the flight going across Indonesia years ago, seen it's window flickering with light "distracting 1,000s of jet pilots" why jet motors flame up at the back. This means we can flame up American F-22 jet motors and frames, giving away massive heat signatures allowing all small inferred missiles to lock on.....Along with new missiles made to attack metal frames charged.

    F-22 will be downed and will give off massive heat now.

    When them come in masses, the sky will be flooded with chemicals seeing masses of heat seeking missiles locking onto 1,000s of jets and bombers. Russia can make missiles fly at 5,000km/h. F-22 fly at 1,700/h.

    There would be many chemicals that can do this.

    1. We make 1,000 missiles that hold 30 - 100 small infrared inside them. The bombers and jet fighters drop the ash / chemical lighting up their jet engines why blinding them. Missile are already getting there, spiting out 100ds of small inferred missiles "each" taking out 100,000 jet fighters from 1,000 missiles.

    We can work in wolf packs and drop it on small numbers, setting up traps. They will not fly in 2,000 numbers, but hundreds or 1,000s tops. If they do, they are fucked.

    If you can't get volcanic ash "that you can", make something the same "charged clouds" that do the same thing. Like a thick smoke with moisture in it charged.

    We can now use 400 fighter jets and 100 new space jet bombers to dive down and drop the shit all over the sky around them. We dive as the lock on missiles go up seconds later.

    We will see the enemy in shock, not able to see, and their jet motors flaming at the back big time, seeing 1,000s of lock on heat missile hitting there targets.

    500 craft v packs of 100drs. If they use 20,000, we will destroy them all.

    We can take on America to. Add 30,000 more craft who cares.

    Put charges in the ash / smoke and dump it all around them. Them charges will do the above....Heat the jet's up then fire them missiles. Bonus if the F-22 jets stat flaming like that lol....Fuck them 2.

    You can 100% make clouds of shit like that, so start working on it.

    We divide them up, and take them out.

    This is to prevent nuclear war.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpuxqBp-CXw

    In the future all missiles are jammed. It down to canon ro

    unds and bullets.

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    Re: Is Russia safe from F-22 and Β-2?

    Post  obliqueweapons on Wed Jun 07, 2017 3:40 am

    GarryB wrote:The picture you drew shows an emission from a ground based radar being absorbed or redirected and a space satellite behind it detecting the gap in the signal from the ground radar.

    For this to work the space based satellite needs to be aligned with the stealth aircraft to detect the gap in the signal.

    The odds of one satellite being in the right place at the right time is next to zero as the satellite is also moving very fast too.

    Not if you use lasers.

    A satellite can have a laser beam coming out in all directions, that reads the incoming laser beam. This way it covers the hole area. It can be coded 2.
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Jun 07, 2017 12:21 pm

    It is not about numbers... it is about using forces efficiently and effectively...

    The Russian AF does not operate on its own in a vacuum.

    Together with aerospace defence and the Russian Army and Russian Navy it would be a very formidable foe for any force.

    Even with 20,000 stealth fighters the US would struggle because losing hundreds or even thousands of aircraft is not something they could stomach.

    Against third world countries that cannot retaliate it is much easier to get local superiority in numbers and mop up the enemy force. When the enemy force can strike back however at your airfields where you stage forces for attacks then you start to have real problems... problems the US would have no solutions for.
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Jun 07, 2017 12:37 pm

    A single satellite would overfly one point in Russia for about 6 minutes and come past again 90 minutes later... a stealth aircraft moving at 800km/h would be an impossible target for even the most capable laser equipped satellite...

    It would make rather more sense to mount lasers in an aircraft like an AWACS aircraft... no... actually it would make more sense to mount long wave radars around the perimeter of Russia to detect targets coming from long range... which they already have.

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    Post  obliqueweapons on Fri Jun 09, 2017 1:33 am

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    GarryB wrote:It is not about numbers... it is about using forces efficiently and effectively..."

    Witch is numbers. WW2 proved that numbers would out do faster jets. Nazi made the jet that could fly much faster "but yet" they lost because of the shear numbers.

    What is efficiently and effectively for you? what would you do.


    "Together with aerospace defence and the Russian Army and Russian Navy it would be a very formidable foe for any force."

    why? What's the weapons difference....Who would win?

    "Even with 20,000 stealth fighters the US would struggle because losing hundreds or even thousands of aircraft is not something they could stomach."

    That's right. Are you saying spraying out a chemical will work?

    Do you think a chemical added might even make the jet motors over heat and burnt out? If so do you think that will be a disaster for America in dog fights? Because it will be weapons jammed, electronics jammed "so" it will be ww2 stile warfare/ dog fighting?

    "Against third world countries that cannot retaliate it is much easier to get local superiority in numbers and mop up the enemy force. When the enemy force can strike back however at your airfields where you stage forces for attacks then you start to have real problems... problems the US would have no solutions for.
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    But what if America has weapons that can cut off guided bombs signal? It will be like Wernher von Braun missiles, aiming it and ruffle hitting an airfield. Russia won't be able to hit the enemy airfields. Would/could they?

    Spraying out a chemical might even burn out their jet engines? How hot do they burn to what they can take? I would say this idea would not only see inferred missiles lock on from the extra heat coming off of it "but" It may drop all Americas jet's like fly's because it overheated then engine.

    Like you said and I already new. ww3 will be cannon rounds and bullet's, because missiles will be jammed. Is that jammed from launching? What if America can launch it before Russia can jam the launcher? Is that the way it works.



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    Jamming American stealth jets.

    Post  obliqueweapons on Fri Jun 09, 2017 1:51 am

    Russia would float up jamming dives all around their country in a time of war. That stops Americas missiles from locking on first.

    American jet's missiles can lock on way before Russian jammers are in range. So putting jammers all in the sky will keep them jammed.

    That means it will be like ww2 fighting.

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    Post  obliqueweapons on Fri Jun 09, 2017 2:44 am

    miketheterrible wrote:That graphic is total horseshit. Is the radar using nebo m? Is it using passive systems? That is as generic as it can get.

    I have no idea about that area. You are talking to the worlds best strategist. Ill have you know Putin went into Syria thanks' to me.

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    Post  obliqueweapons on Fri Jun 09, 2017 2:52 am

    GarryB wrote:A single satellite would overfly one point in Russia for about 6 minutes and come past again 90 minutes later... a stealth aircraft moving at 800km/h would be an impossible target for even the most capable laser equipped satellite...

    It would make rather more sense to mount lasers in an aircraft like an AWACS aircraft... no... actually it would make more sense to mount long wave radars around the perimeter of Russia to detect targets coming from long range... which they already have.

    kool cheers.

    Ps the satellite doesn't point lasers down. It spreads the beam out in space covering a huge area to read the up coming laser beam that hit's it. It can be coded to.

    So 1,000 laser beams flicker the sky scanning it. The laser beams go up and hit the satellites laser beam.

    Does not matter if Russia already have that capability to detect them.
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    Post  Isos on Mon Jun 19, 2017 10:01 pm

    http://aviationweek.com/defense/how-f-22-deconflicting-us-russia-operations-over-syria

    http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/we-now-have-clear-proof-the-f-22-raptor-will-dominate-over-20863


    Well,if you forget propaganda of the article, now they are saying they used total stealth of the F-22. Russia probably used it's radars to get its signature.

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    Post  bojcistv on Sat Jul 01, 2017 4:13 pm

    Those articles sounds ridiculous. I can't see how those are the news at all because the common sense says you should look or ask both sides if you want to get the truth out.
    I am wonder for those guys flying around in invisible F22, how do they know they are invisible for Russians in Syria? Just can't take for granted statement one of the pilot who just says - They can't see me at all and I have an God's eye over them! Maybe they don't want you to know you are tracked or seen on the screen of some flying or ground system Russian use for air space observation over Syria?
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    Post  Isos on Sat Jul 01, 2017 6:35 pm

    bojcistv wrote:Those articles sounds ridiculous. I can't see how those are the news at all because the common sense says you should look or ask both sides if you want to get the truth out.
    I am wonder for those guys flying around in invisible F22, how do they know they are invisible for Russians in Syria? Just can't take for granted statement one of the pilot who just says - They can't see me at all and I have an God's eye over them! Maybe they don't want you to know you are tracked or seen on the screen of some flying or ground system Russian use for air space observation over Syria?

    Well I know its BS but the fact is that they said they were invisible to Russian radar so they were flying clean Raptor without reflectors so russian radars had the oportunity to scan them and see if they can see them.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Sat Jul 01, 2017 7:13 pm

    So I briefly read over the articles and I'm confused.

    So how does the pilot know he wasn't being tracked? Actually, he didn't say he was never tracked at all. But I'm more curious as to what engagements were had because apparently there were none. But load already said, he doesn't know if he was or wasn't. Second of all, L band radar would pick him up and most passive sensors would have trouble picking up location of said radar. Hence why anti radiation missiles do not work well against a L band radar.

    For all we know the Russians were tracking it and stayed silent. They have done this multiple of times already in Syria unless the US did something real stupid then they would say something.

    And if they were using the raptors in Syrian airspace in full stealth, then that gives Russians a lot to learn from, same was from tomahawk launch.

    The other issue I thought of as well is when the F-22 would turn on its radar, it will light up to most radars due to the radiation. So unless the F-22 flies around with nothing but passive sensors, then it really isn't fully stealth
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    Post  Singular_Transform on Sat Jul 01, 2017 7:40 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:So I briefly read over the articles and I'm confused.

    So how does the pilot know he wasn't being tracked? Actually, he didn't say he was never tracked at all. But I'm more curious as to what engagements were had because apparently there were none. But load already said, he doesn't know if he was or wasn't. Second of all, L band radar would pick him up and most passive sensors would have trouble picking up location of said radar. Hence why anti radiation missiles do not work well against a L band radar.

    For all we know the Russians were tracking it and stayed silent. They have done this multiple of times already in Syria unless the US did something real stupid then they would say something.

    And if they were using the raptors in Syrian airspace in full stealth, then that gives Russians a lot to learn from, same was from tomahawk launch.

    The other issue I thought of as well is when the F-22 would turn on its radar, it will light up to most radars due to the radiation. So unless the F-22 flies around with nothing but passive sensors, then it really isn't fully stealth


    The best proof of the usability of air defence systems against the f22/f35 is the procurement of S400 systems.


    If the f22 is not possible to shoot down then make more sense to buy long wave radars and interceptor jets.

    The S400 units are not cheap, each of them cost as much as five-ten interceptor jet.



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    Post  miketheterrible on Sat Jul 01, 2017 8:01 pm

    Is Nebo-M in Syria? Curiously enough. Cause that will detect that F-22 at long ranges.

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    Post  PeeD on Fri Jul 07, 2017 2:30 pm

    Regarding this topic I would like to know what you think about the potential use of a bi-static benefit of SARH guided missiles against stealth. I posted this a while back on keypub but the reactions were not of much use:

    There is a seemingly unusual notion which the Russians have with their SAMs and AAMs which results in the use of SARH/SAGG missiles, although ARH seekers are available.

    I will concentrate on SAMs here because the developments there make the case more clear.
    Russians have developed various active radar seekers for their SAMs, especially the BUK series and their very long range S-300 with 200km+ range missiles would be candidates for ARH seekers.
    However, they stick to SARH seekers even for their new century designs, the S-400 and BUK-M2/-M3, where others like the French, Japanese went for ARH seekers (Aster, etc). One exception would be the naval S-400 variant with ARH being developed but here the anti-cruise missile over-horizon effect should be the reason.

    Either their ARH perform bad, or the illumination power of their engagement radars offer still more RF energy on target or there are other benefits for a SARH seekers.


    Stealth designs rely on deflection rather than absorption as the key physical effect for their VLO performance. Systems like the e.g S-300/-400 work in a bi-static mode with their SAGG/TVM guidance, means that the RF signal receiver is at a different position and at a different angle than the attacking illumination radar. The deflected RF energy may would not reach the emitting radar, but a bi-static SARH receiving seeker in the SAM that can attack from angle below the VLO target or above it and perform angle search pattern would have better chances to catch deflected RF energy, enabling a lock on the stealth target. This method would decrease the biggest problem with missile radar seekers, namely that they have to work in X-band, for which stealth designs are optimized and no effects like aircraft feature size can be used for improved performance (VHF-band).

    One key element for this method to work, is a blind illumination capability of a portion of airspace (without actual track) based on coordinates from a radar system that actually detects the target. There is much debate about this; Russians say that VHF band radars can see smaller stealth designs such as the F-35 like any other radar. Some pro US stealth friends might say the F-35 has the same pea size in VHF-band as in X-band. We can take something in between, but a highly advanced IADS like the Russian one has assets such as the "Container" OTH system for early warning and coarse location, as well es high power static line of sight systems with very large apertures such as the Voronezh and Resonaz systems, with systems like the mobile Nebo-M acting at lower tiers. There is more, such as passive means, EO, IR, multi-static "trap" radars networks.
    There must be rough target coordinated available for such a bi-static SARH engagement, with a accuracy as provided by multi-band systems such as the Nebo-M or single VHF-band Nebo-SVU, otherwise the RF energy of the illumination radar wont be sufficiently accurately concentrated on target (airspace portion).
    The S-300/400 SAMs have robust missile up- and down-links, hence they would work with course updates via VHF-band target coordinates until terminal phase where the SARH seeker would try to catch illumination RF energy deflected to different directions by the stealth design.
    The addition of satellite positioning systems to the engagement radars of S-300PMU2 and S-400 could be a hint for the use of this method.

    Hence I have the feeling that this described bi-static method directly benefits from the main function of stealth designs, RF-energy deflection, and could be the main reason why even the S-400 is still old fashioned SARH and possibly why the R-27 soldiers on.

    Counter measures like a change of aspect or direction of the VLO asset would not change to overall situation. First there is the question whether it would be worth the risk to change direction after the attack has been detected by sensors and the most optimized face (front) has been directed to the threat emitter.
    Even a all aspect VLO asset would still be optimized to deflect waves away from the bore sight of the threat radar. If we assume that the biggest portion of the radar waves are deflected in a bore sight range of 15° to 90° in all directions, a limited degree portion can be determined from the bore sight of the threat radar where the SARH seeker has to search for deflected RF energy. However I'm no expect on RF wave behavior hence this deflection angle band could differ.
    More so; if the VLO asset changes aspect relative to the bore sight of the threat illumination radar to change the direction of deflected radar waves, to decrease chances for the bi-static SARH seeker to pick up RF energy, this would force it to expose a less optimized face to the bore sight of the threat radar. So if the SARH seekers lock on the target is broken, the redundant SAGG/TVM system could switch back to command guidance mode as it now has got a own track of the VLO asset.
    You may be thinking about a sudden maneuver that would suddenly break the lock of the SARH seeker. But any change would just reduce the amount of deflected RF energy e.g if the VLO asset exposes its least optimized face to the threat emitter, so that more RF energy is sent back to the radar and hence less is deflected to the bis-static positioned SARH seeker.
    Advanced SARH missiles with missile up- and down-links + advanced autopilots only make use of the SARH seeker in terminal phase, not like the HAWK or S-200 which had to catch the RF energy at great distances while on the launcher. Hence they need much less of reflected or deflected RF energy. The deflection angles of VLO assets are confined and there should be enough RF energy deflected to that angle band to allow for terminal phase SARH guidance.

    Back at Keypub, there was the arument about the penalty on kinematics a bi-static position maneuver would require.


    Finally here is a graphics of the effect described in a very adverse form in favour for the stealth assets:



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    Post  Singular_Transform on Fri Jul 07, 2017 5:42 pm

    It doesn't matter really.

    The SAM X band radars doesn't have to "see" the target aircraft, the missile seeker has to see it on the last few kms.

    If there are multiple X band targeting radar around the aircraft then all of them can illuminate the target, so there is quite high chance to have reflection from at least one radar.

    Traditionally, there is the opportunity to scatter passive illuminator controlled by the NEBO-M.


    I think if sameone can found a deployment map of a full S-400 battalion then it can give clue how they want to use them.

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