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    Post  Sujoy on Wed Apr 11, 2012 5:51 pm

    victor7 wrote:Here is an article on Op ChimiChanga

    http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012/04/air-force-stealth-strike/

    Where does it say that F22s got shot down and F16s had to come to their rescue? Where?
    Bombing was mainly done by B1s. Why do you try to twist the facts? Just to deceive yourself and others and put lots of lives in danger.

    I do not really care about the aerodynamics of any plane as it will not be able to detect F22s unless very near. For now missiles do not tend to beat the IRST detection so that is some hope to kill off whatever is launched. Down the road be ready for stealth missiles which are invisible to both optics and infrared detection.

    Regarding 'invisible' Super Sukhoi, there is no such thing. All upgrades on Su-MKIs are regarding AESA radar and OLS system. Google mentions that Indians are working on 5th Generation stealth type plane in addition to Pakfa project with Russia.

    Why are you throwing lies and wrong facts? That does not help at all!!

    It seems you have a penchant for the theatrics . No wonder your arguments are based on loose self talk. If wired.com was manna from heaven , Julian Assange would have been selling oranges on the freeway .

    You do not care about the aerodynamics of any plane . Good for you , maybe you will be better of flying kites . You think the Americans spend billions of dollars for nothing,in making the F 22 super manoeuvrable if stealth was enough for survivable ?

    Google also mentions that today's tsunami was caused by China's oil exploration in the South China sea , so you believe that as well , since Google is your holy grail for information .

    "Indians are working on 5th Generation stealth type plane in addition to Pakfa project with Russia"

    Really , that's news for a country that couldn't design an engine for a 4th generation aircraft .

    BTW - Who allowed you near a keyboard ..... ?
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    Post  TR1 on Wed Apr 11, 2012 7:23 pm

    victor7 wrote:

    I do not really care about the aerodynamics of any plane as it will not be able to detect F22s unless very near. !

    Oh dear lord.

    This conversation just got really stupid.
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    Post  victor7 on Wed Apr 11, 2012 8:39 pm

    If wired.com was manna from heaven , Julian Assange would have been selling oranges on the freeway .

    Wired.com is no-nonsense site for fairly upto date defense news. Who are you to post some 'event' and not back it with a link or actual established source. In one stupid sentence you have thrown out F22s capabilities out the window it seems. Glad you are not in the defense planning circles or such conclusion can result in immense damage to all men, machines and material.

    Make the plane as much aerodynamic as you want, it will not help if missile from F22 has finished it off from 120 Kms. First priority is stealth. Aerodynamic focus should be more on legacy jets.

    Here is a link on the side project of Indian government which is in addition to Pakfa with Russia.
    http://www.defencenews.in/defence-news-internal.asp?get=old&id=378

    I just did the Google on it, so it seems Google has some creditability..... Very Happy Very Happy

    Btw, TR1........better post some logical and factual arguments backed by formal links or so. Chuckling and giggling small sentences like girls will not impress much........at least on this forum.

    ps: O Dear Lord!!!!!
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    Post  Sujoy on Wed Apr 11, 2012 9:09 pm

    victor7 wrote:
    If wired.com was manna from heaven , Julian Assange would have been selling oranges on the freeway .

    Wired.com is no-nonsense site for fairly upto date defense news. Who are you to post some 'event' and not back it with a link or actual established source. In one stupid sentence you have thrown out F22s capabilities out the window it seems. Glad you are not in the defense planning circles or such conclusion can result in immense damage to all men, machines and material.

    Make the plane as much aerodynamic as you want, it will not help if missile from F22 has finished it off from 120 Kms. First priority is stealth. Aerodynamic focus should be more on legacy jets.

    Here is a link on the side project of Indian government which is in addition to Pakfa with Russia.
    http://www.defencenews.in/defence-news-internal.asp?get=old&id=378

    I just did the Google on it, so it seems Google has some creditability..... Very Happy Very Happy

    Btw, TR1........better post some logical and factual arguments backed by formal links or so. Chuckling and giggling small sentences like girls will not impress much........at least on this forum.

    ps: O Dear Lord!!!!!


    You must have recently suffered a blow to your head and so sites like Wired.com and defencenews will be in business for the foreseeable future .

    The editor-in-chief of Wired.com had fallen into a controversy in the recent past over alleged plagiarism after it was discovered that passages of his forthcoming book bear an uncanny resemblance to entries to the online encyclopaedia Wikipedia.

    Here is the link from Hindustan Aeronautics Limited . Indian Govt's flagship company for producing fighter aircrafts.


    http://www.hal-india.com/futureproducts/products.asp

    Scroll down . You will see for yourself that it is clearly stated that FGFA ( aka PAK FA / T 50 ) is being co developed with Russia's Sukhoi Design Bureau . As I said , India is NOT developing any 5th gen / stealth aircraft itself . The names PAK FA or FGFA or T 50 are used interchangeably .

    Now coming to your F 22 . It is an expensive model of blandness.Western, in particular American, weapons are treated as corporate crown jewels. Since they bring in profits to the companies, who often have politicians in their pocket, they are too big to fail even if they are ineffectual in war or outdated. This as we all know , except for you of course , is known as pork.

    Winslow T. Wheeler and Pierre M. Sprey are two of America's finest defense analyst . This is what they said to the Senate ( link below ) , since you are so fond of links .

    http://www.cdi.org/program/document.cfm?DocumentID=4527

    Stealth technology is not an American invention. The entire idea, concept and theory of stealth aircraft was fully developed in Russia years before the Americans came to know about it.

    The reason why Moscow did not go ahead with development of a stealth bomber was simply because IT WASN'T NEEDED. Russian plans to attack the continental United States involved strategic Tupolev-160 Blackjack bombers coming in over the North Pole and firing nuclear-tipped cruise missiles at American cities from international airspace.

    On the other hand, Russia’s cities are deep inside the territory of its vast Eurasian landmass. But more crucially the Soviet Union, which was obsessed with security because of the Nazi invasion, had deployed no less than 30,000 surface-to-air missiles to defend against invading aircraft and cruise missiles. Apparently ,nothing less than a stealth aircraft could penetrate these defences according to Western analysts ( and prospective Hollywood script writers like you ) .




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    Post  victor7 on Wed Apr 11, 2012 9:18 pm

    Below is the paragraph from the linked article of defensenews.com

    Now if this information is wrong then it is wrong..........I have no means to confirm or deny it.


    The Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA), formerly known as the Medium Combat Aircraft (MCA), is a twin-engined 5th generation stealth multirole fighter being developed by India. It will complement the HAL Tejas, the Sukhoi/HAL FGFA, the Sukhoi Su-30MKI and the as yet undecided MRCA in the Indian Air Force. The main purpose of this aircraft is to replace the aging SEPECAT Jaguar & Dassault Mirage 2000.
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    Post  victor7 on Wed Apr 11, 2012 9:50 pm

    Stealth technology is not an American invention. The entire idea, concept and theory of stealth aircraft was fully developed in Russia years before the Americans came to know about it.

    The basic concept of stealth i.e. reflection of radar waves away from the source was developed by Russian Peter Ufimtsev. However, his research was not welcomed for either defense or civilian uses. He felt disgraced and defected to the US.

    Folks from Lockheed and other companies read his papers and then joined together to develop Stealth B2 bomber and F-117.

    Russia still does not have a stealth plane to its name. Sad but true. Former USSR was the fountain of advanced research and knowledge and little Gorby and drunk Yeltsin destroyed that all easily.
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    Post  TR1 on Wed Apr 11, 2012 10:24 pm

    What isn't impressive Victor, is your child like obsession with F-22 detection range. Aviation is NUMBER ONE hinging on aerodynamics. Your comment regarding that, was.....much like this thread. Devoid of any sense.
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    Post  TR1 on Wed Apr 11, 2012 10:28 pm

    victor7 wrote:
    Stealth technology is not an American invention. The entire idea, concept and theory of stealth aircraft was fully developed in Russia years before the Americans came to know about it.

    The basic concept of stealth i.e. reflection of radar waves away from the source was developed by Russian Peter Ufimtsev. However, his research was not welcomed for either defense or civilian uses. He felt disgraced and defected to the US.

    Folks from Lockheed and other companies read his papers and then joined together to develop Stealth B2 bomber and F-117.

    Russia still does not have a stealth plane to its name. Sad but true. Former USSR was the fountain of advanced research and knowledge and little Gorby and drunk Yeltsin destroyed that all easily.

    Yfimtsev was invited to work in the US post 1990. Hardly a defection.

    The US still doesn't have a supersonic ASM missile to its name. Does that make it impossible for it to create one?

    RCS studies are well documented in post Soviet Russia, ignoring that is silly.
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    Post  Corrosion on Wed Apr 11, 2012 11:53 pm

    Sujoy wrote:
    The limited optical visibility, of the PAK FA is largely attributed to the use of metamaterials and so-called “e-camouflage” in the more recent versions of the PAK FA. The negative refraction index of metamaterials makes them an ideal means for camouflaging military targets, as they cannot be discovered by radio reconnaissance equipment within a certain range of frequencies. Using this technology, on-board cameras record everything surrounding the aircraft, in real time mode. Supercomputers and metamaterials allow the cameras to project the image on to the aircraft’s surface, making it invisible.
    Do you any more info on this? This is the first time I am hearing that any such tech is being developed for PAK-FA.

    BTW, AMCA project exists. Which will be a medium sized "Stealth" fighter. You can argue, as its progress is unknown but there is certainly a plan to make one.
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    Post  victor7 on Thu Apr 12, 2012 1:23 am

    Do you any more info on this? This is the first time I am hearing that any such tech is being developed for PAK-FA.

    Do your own research before taking any facts posted by the gentleman......he tends to twist the facts a little. Once I saw on TV that Japanese scientist had developed an invisibility cloak where on a square panel one side had cameras and other side had screens. The backside cameras fed the picture to the front side screen and thus making the object invisible to common human eye. Do not know if such techs are in advanced stages now, the TV show was like 2-3 years ago.


    BTW, AMCA project exists. Which will be a medium sized "Stealth" fighter. You can argue, as its progress is unknown but there is certainly a plan to make one.

    Thanks for the confirmation. It does make sense. Indians spent $10-12B on Rafael with full technology transfer agreement. Plus they are working with Russia for PakFa. So with two huge tech inputs, why not work on a project of own and come up with something even in the decent category.
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    Post  Corrosion on Thu Apr 12, 2012 9:37 am

    victor7 wrote:Once I saw on TV that Japanese scientist had developed an invisibility cloak where on a square panel one side had cameras and other side had screens. The backside cameras fed the picture to the front side screen and thus making the object invisible to common human eye. Do not know if such techs are in advanced stages now, the TV show was like 2-3 years ago.
    It is definitely possible from a technical point of view. It can be easily done in a lab setting. In fact you can do it in your home with some success if you have a good 42" border-less screen, a good video camera and a innovative TV stand/mount.
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    Post  Sujoy on Thu Apr 12, 2012 9:44 am

    Corrosion wrote:
    Sujoy wrote:
    The limited optical visibility, of the PAK FA is largely attributed to the use of metamaterials and so-called “e-camouflage” in the more recent versions of the PAK FA. The negative refraction index of metamaterials makes them an ideal means for camouflaging military targets, as they cannot be discovered by radio reconnaissance equipment within a certain range of frequencies. Using this technology, on-board cameras record everything surrounding the aircraft, in real time mode. Supercomputers and metamaterials allow the cameras to project the image on to the aircraft’s surface, making it invisible.
    Do you any more info on this? This is the first time I am hearing that any such tech is being developed for PAK-FA.



    BTW, AMCA project exists. Which will be a medium sized "Stealth" fighter. You can argue, as its progress is unknown but there is certainly a plan to make one.


    Yes, I do . I am not playing it by the ear. Do you read Russian .In case you do try this link

    http://www.arms-expo.ru/

    Search using the key words ПАК ФА or T 50 .You will find an article written by distinguished Russian defense analyst Olga Vasilieva . In case you do not read Russian an English translation is available here

    http://ezli007.blogspot.in/2011_09_07_archive.html

    Russia prepares a separate report for most countries . I had found this article on Russia's India report as well . I will NEVER rely on Western sources to get my information about Russia , India , China , rest of Asia. There reporting about Russia and Asia is inevitably sub standard . Designed Primarily for the consumption of lunatics like Victor7.

    The AMCA idea was conceived by a former Indian President . At that time India had not even entered into a discussion with Russia to co produce the PAK FA . In an interview to a leading Indian defense magazine (link below) the Air Chief clearly states that Su-30MKI, Light Combat Aircraft, Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft and Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft will be the mainstay of the IAF .

    http://www.dsalert.org/aerospace-power-in-india/289-exclusive-interview-of-chief-of-air-staff

    I can discuss this at length . However , that would be the start of another troll question like - "Is Russia safe from F 22" .
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    Post  Corrosion on Thu Apr 12, 2012 10:58 am

    Thanks for links
    Sujoy wrote:I will NEVER rely on Western sources to get my information about Russia , India , China , rest of Asia. There reporting about Russia and Asia is inevitably sub standard .
    I do agree about this.

    The AMCA idea was conceived by a former Indian President . At that time India had not even entered into a discussion with Russia to co produce the PAK FA . In an interview to a leading Indian defense magazine (link below) the Air Chief clearly states that Su-30MKI, Light Combat Aircraft, Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft and Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft will be the mainstay of the IAF .

    http://www.dsalert.org/aerospace-power-in-india/289-exclusive-interview-of-chief-of-air-staff
    Sujoy, why would they display its models and brochures at Aero India 2011...if it was a dead project.
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    Post  Sujoy on Thu Apr 12, 2012 11:55 am

    @ Corrosion

    Here is the link from HAL where they talk about their products including forthcoming ones

    http://www.hal-india.com/futureproducts/products.asp

    You will notice that there is no mention of any AMCA / MCA what ever.

    DRDO has been continuously criticized by CAG and media for not being able to meet the requirements of the Armed Forces. Nowhere is this more evident than in the design and development of Ballistic missiles .

    Therefore to silence criticism and to justify the billions of dollars that Govt of India showers on them thay came up with a mock model of the AMCA in the Aero India show. Did they put a timeline as to when this will be included in the IAF . No, coz even they do not know that . Obviously , if they say 25-30 yrs from now we will need a 6th gen aircraft and this is one of those maybe we will still accept it albeit with a spoon of salt .
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    Post  victor7 on Thu Apr 12, 2012 5:49 pm

    It is definitely possible from a technical point of view. It can be easily done in a lab setting. In fact you can do it in your home with some success if you have a good 42" border-less screen, a good video camera and a innovative TV stand/mount.

    That was then and this is now..........some where I read that 'bending photons so that light gets hidden'.......I just did a google on it and found this link

    http://gajitz.com/space-time-invisibility-cloak-bends-light-to-hide-objects/

    "A space-time cloak would be made of “metamaterials” (man-made materials with extraordinary properties) that would effectively hide photons from the human eye to conceal objects without cluing in watchers. The cloak would do this by basically accelerating the photons closer to the viewer while slowing photons behind the object or event that is to be concealed. The cloak would create a gap in space-time which would hide whatever needs to be hidden."
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    Post  gloriousfatherland on Thu Apr 12, 2012 8:53 pm

    TR1 wrote:What isn't impressive Victor, is your child like obsession with F-22 detection range. Aviation is NUMBER ONE hinging on aerodynamics. Your comment regarding that, was.....much like this thread. Devoid of any sense.

    Something for Victor
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    Post  gloriousfatherland on Thu Apr 12, 2012 9:05 pm

    victor7 wrote:
    It is definitely possible from a technical point of view. It can be easily done in a lab setting. In fact you can do it in your home with some success if you have a good 42" border-less screen, a good video camera and a innovative TV stand/mount.

    That was then and this is now..........some where I read that 'bending photons so that light gets hidden'.......I just did a google on it and found this link

    http://gajitz.com/space-time-invisibility-cloak-bends-light-to-hide-objects/

    "A space-time cloak would be made of “metamaterials” (man-made materials with extraordinary properties) that would effectively hide photons from the human eye to conceal objects without cluing in watchers. The cloak would do this by basically accelerating the photons closer to the viewer while slowing photons behind the object or event that is to be concealed. The cloak would create a gap in space-time which would hide whatever needs to be hidden."

    These scientists need to go on some prozac...Photon is still a theory.... Light like electromagnetic radiation have to type of behaviours, particulate nature and wave nature...This photon stuff they are concieveing will not work for all frequencies of light and would also be dependent the threshold frequencies of the "metamaterials". For my understanding of electromagnetic radition and photons, photoelectrics etc, this is theoritical and cannot be applied in the real world since the totally ideal conditions required for this to work doesn't exist. Infact do we even see photons? No....so whats their point? I think these boys watched too much starwars....Creat a gap in space time means you will be in so other dimension...I didn't know we could stop time ?
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    Post  Corrosion on Thu Apr 12, 2012 10:44 pm

    Sujoy wrote:
    Here is the link from HAL where they talk about their products including forthcoming ones

    http://www.hal-india.com/futureproducts/products.asp

    You will notice that there is no mention of any AMCA / MCA what ever.
    That HAL website is missing some other things as well. Where is MMRCA project? Sure they mention Mirage upgrade but no MMRCA?

    DRDO has been continuously criticized by CAG and media for not being able to meet the requirements of the Armed Forces. Nowhere is this more evident than in the design and development of Ballistic missiles .
    Which department in India hasn't been criticized by CAG, which is fine BTW. Regarding media, they are joke mostly but do have a few good days. Twisted Evil
    I am somewhat satisfied as far as development of Ballistic missiles go. There have been issues with production quality control. You have to agree Indian R & D budgets are quite low, which don't help either.

    Did they put a timeline as to when this will be included in the IAF . No, coz even they do not know that .
    Even if they put a time line on that who is going to take them seriously anyway? Very Happy

    Obviously , if they say 25-30 yrs from now we will need a 6th gen aircraft and this is one of those maybe we will still accept it albeit with a spoon of salt .
    Frankly speaking this generation classification is pretty useless. And we will be operating Mig-21 versions upto 2017. Nothing wrong even if AMCA comes in after 20 years IMO. And look at this news BTW

    Plans for Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft Source: http://www.hindu.com/2010/11/21/stories/2010112165812200.htm
    The government released Rs. 100 crore last month to the Bangalore-based Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA), which will spearhead the project, to prepare feasibility studies in 18 months. The ADA is an autonomous organisation under the Ministry of Defence.
    The entire project would cost $ 2 billion.
    $ 2 bil for AMCA project? For some reason I can already feel it is going to be over budget, unless heavy inputs are used from FGFA project. I am pretty confident a prototype of AMCA will fly sometime in next decade, if things keep on moving smoothly. How successful it will be is different question.



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    Post  Corrosion on Thu Apr 12, 2012 10:54 pm

    gloriousfatherland, I agree somewhat with your post. What works in theory doesn't mean will work in real world.

    Over-Engineering can have bad side effects. Look at F-22 Twisted Evil
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    Post  victor7 on Thu Apr 12, 2012 11:04 pm

    The video mentions that first F-117 was produced in 1982. That time Reagan was in power and a dozen of F-117 could have penetrated any airspace and launched initial strike. But that time US had no BMDs and were working on them in the form of Star Wars. By end of 80s, it was all over but one mistake was made. Instead of following Chinese model, Russia tried to change the course by 180 degrees and rest is history.

    I have heard that Torsion Field Theory and Research was also given away cheaply by Russia to the west.

    Btw, the above video proved that in 1980s-90s while aerodynamics was important but stealth proved to be more valuable. However, with now Russia soon fielding Pakfa, the aerodynamic features will hold equal value.

    Btw, US soon coming up with stealth ship for the Navy, cost $7B a piece. Touch this darling with your missiles and you have destroyed nearly two aircraft carriers.

    http://stratrisks.com/geostrat/5476
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    Post  GarryB on Fri Apr 13, 2012 7:21 am

    The backside cameras fed the picture to the front side screen and thus making the object invisible to common human eye. Do not know if such techs are in advanced stages now, the TV show was like 2-3 years ago.

    You have to keep in mind that it doesn't need to be perfect like a Klingon cloaking device, or a predators cloaking device... just generating a rough colour pattern matching roughly the colours behind the target would be enough to make it hard to see and hard to identify.

    I will NEVER rely on Western sources to get my information about Russia , India , China , rest of Asia. There reporting about Russia and Asia is inevitably sub standard

    It is a sad reflection of the western news media but I agree... and I don't blame all the reporters... most of the ones that live in the east and actually understand the Russians/Indians/Chinese etc don't file crap reports, but the editors don't want to hear anything positive from these regions, and the management have an agenda that must be met.

    Sujoy, why would they display its models and brochures at Aero India 2011...if it was a dead project.

    Perhaps a bit like the Mig Skat... if a foreign country had approached Mig and said they will fund development... say China or Iran or even India then despite the lack of interest from the Russian military, the chance that the program would be fully funded means it would go ahead.

    Without funding Mig has to decide whether to invest its tight funds into a program that no one might be interested in, or shelve it... in other words they are going to shelve it.

    The cloak would create a gap in space-time which would hide whatever needs to be hidden."

    If we could bend space time then it wouldn't take months or years to reach other planets... we really don't understand what spacetime is made of let alone being in a position to distort spacetime... apart from the obvious putting lead into a very big pile. (Matter distorts spacetime).

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    Post  victor7 on Fri Apr 13, 2012 7:28 pm

    Btw, with quantum computing just around the corner, be ready for many more inventions that are mind boggling. Quantum computing can right away give rise to robots that function with advanced features. Lots of DNA based medical research will also become available.
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    Post  GarryB on Sat Apr 14, 2012 7:12 am

    In the 1950s nuclear power was new and most people thought that in the 1980s we'd have bases on the moon and commercial aircraft that can fly at mach 8 and lasers and everything would be nuclear powered.

    The future is actually very hard to predict... for all we know some idiot might invent a nanobot robot that can replicate it self and destroys brain cells that wipes out all life on planet earth.

    Those same people today write computer viruses for fun...
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    Post  victor7 on Tue Apr 17, 2012 2:46 am

    Btw, how is the radar capabilities of S-300 different from those of S-400.

    S-300: Detects stealth at 150 NM and 15-20 NM in jamming environment
    S-400: Detects stealth at 400 NM and 60 NM in jamming environment

    Similarly, S-500 would have ranges like 3000 NM.

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    Post  GarryB on Tue Apr 17, 2012 1:22 pm

    You do realise the Russians have the R-27P and R-27EP in operational service and have had for decades?

    That is distinct from the R-27R and R-27ER SARH models which are even older.

    The P models use passive radar homing and guide towards two main types of targets... aircraft guiding SARH missiles which requires a continuous beam, or aircraft using a jammer.

    The R-27EP has a range of over 100kms and is totally passive.

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