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    Post  T-47 on Fri May 11, 2018 5:35 pm

    par far wrote:
    This is very hard to do for Russia, if Russia does more military cooperation with Iran than more sanctions will come on Russia. I think the Iranians will turn to China for military cooperation, China is one country that the US cannot sanction without hurting itself. Iran needs about $15-$20 billion in arms and I think 90% of that money goes to China.

    Why are you still expecting US won't do any further sanctions and stuffs against Russia anymore? Even if Russia just sit idle and start growing up their own economy, society, industry and army US will invent something from other universe and blame it on Russia and put sanctions or something. Remember Skripal case??
    It's better Russia-Iran both take the chance they have now. It's not just about buying-selling arms, it's about developing a cooperation.

    PS: Tronald Dump will try to sanction China as well, if he feels like it! Do you really think he knows what he is doing? xD
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    Post  Isos on Fri May 11, 2018 6:27 pm

    The attack on the pantsir reminds me the video where we see SAA soldiers in the middle of a battle on the front not covered doing nothing and being hit by an ATGM.

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    Post  crod on Sat May 12, 2018 12:47 am

    PS: Tronald Dump will try to sanction China as well, if he feels like it! Do you really think he knows what he is doing? xD[/quote]

    The Europeans are formulating counter sanctions against US, i suspect that there might (or perhaps not) be some behind doors discussions with China (as a partner on the deal) on this too for co-ordination purposes; Russia will not be privvy to them however due lack of appetite of anything Russian in Europe presently.
    The sledge hammer approach might be all swell on Capitol Hill but it rarely works, diplomacy more often than not is the winner, Trump will eventually learn this.
    The deal will remain though, 1) EU dont want to lose the billions in trade deals beacuse of the mad hatter across the Atlantic, 2) because Iran is all but fully compliant and 3) the Europeans know this is israels bidding.
    Iran should full steam look to china for their needs asap including military assistance. It should offer China a presence by way of a naval port, I am sure Beijing would find that offer most agreeable.
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    Post  George1 on Thu Oct 25, 2018 8:54 pm

    MOSCOW, October 24./TASS/. Russian President Vladimir Putin said on Wednesday that he did not know at the moment whether he would be able to take part in a conference on Libya, due in Italy’s Palermo on November 12-13, but pledged that Russia would be represented there at a very high level.

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    Post  George1 on Mon Mar 25, 2019 11:56 pm

    Recognizing Israel’s sovereignty over Golan Heights doesn’t change Moscow’s stance

    Moscow earlier said that the Golan Heights were Syria’s territory and US' statement on recognizing it as part of Israel demonstrated the disregard for int'l law and UNSC resolutions

    MOSCOW, March 25. /TASS/. The signing of a proclamation recognizing Israel’s sovereignty over the Golan Heights by US President Donald Trump does not change Russia’s official stance on the issue, Russian Presidential Envoy for the Middle East and Africa and Deputy Foreign Minister Mikhail Bogdanov told TASS on Monday.

    "Nothing has changed, either before or after. Our principled stance and assessments have been provided on the Russian Foreign Ministry’s website," he stressed.

    The Russian Foreign Ministry earlier said that the Golan Heights were Syria’s territory, and Washington’s statement on recognizing the Golan Heights as part of Israel showed the United States’ disregard for international law and UN Security Council resolutions.

    Trump signed the proclamation earlier on Monday during talks with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. Along with Syria and other countries of the Arab and Muslim world, Russia and some key European countries, including Germany and France, spoke out against such unilateral steps.

    The Golan Heights, which had belonged to Syria since 1944, were seized by Israel during the 1967 Six-Day War. In 1981, the Israeli parliament passed a law unilaterally declaring sovereignty over the Golan Heights. The UN Security Council declared the annexation null and void in its Resolution 497 on December 17, 1981.


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    Post  starman on Wed Apr 03, 2019 3:50 pm

    With regard to Jerusalem, the Palestinians and Golan, Trump has tilted toward Israel like no other president. It's an awful testament to the power of the zionist lobby here. But the US is so isolated on this issue, in the Mideast and internationally. The zionist lobby is paving the way for a future disaster--for the region, the US and ultimately itself.
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    Post  George1 on Wed Jul 24, 2019 1:19 am

    Russian Foreign Ministry calls for establishing Gulf security organization
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    Post  nomadski on Tue Sep 17, 2019 8:42 am

    So what of this Russian foreign policy of offering to sell SHORAD to Saudi, to protect oil from Yemen attack? I said before, that Russia wins, because it offers a better deal than the Yanks. This means it plays by different rules.

    The worst trap to fall into, after the diminishment of socialist ideology, is to pay into the ideology of national chauvinism. This has the effect of driving policy by immediate economic aims. It destroys the external environment, where long term national interests are truly met. It creates contradictions in policy. It is like a man with two friends who are themselves at war. And then takes sides with one against another. Such a man will not gain two friends, but will gain two enemies.

    The sale of defensive equipment seems innocent enough. But this time this defensive capability will directly and immediately increase offensive capability. Since Saudi are engaged in offensive war. So what is the solution? Should Russia not sell defensive equipment? And just leave the Yanks to further allow the prolongation of  this offensive war and polarisation of society, with aim of establishing their monopoly?

    This does not sound to be good policy either. Therefore in order not to fall into contradictions and alienate our friends and potential friends alike, foreign policy should not be allowed to be dictated by immediate economic gain or advantage. But should have a strong political element. One where long term national interests are secured by offering the world a better deal.

    In my view, Russia should offer SHORAD and other equipment to Saudi, and guarantee for them freedom from attack by Yemen also, if the Saudi agree to stop bombing campaign in Yemen. This is a better offer than the yank endless war for the Arabs and everyone else. The way to gain, is not by helping two friends fight. But to help them not to.
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Wed Sep 18, 2019 3:41 am

    Apparently Shoigu and Lavrov do not agree with Putin soft talk with Netanyahu.

    http://johnhelmer.net/putin-endorses-netanyahu-for-re-election-shoigu-and-lavrov-react/#more-21339
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    Post  nomadski on Wed Sep 18, 2019 11:01 am

    How to think about this problem? With an English proverb. A bird in the hand is better than two in the Bush! This depends on how many hands you have and how many you need to hold the bird firmly. And how many hands you have or need to go for the other birds in the Bush. It also depends on what type of Birds you have or need. If you have only two hands, and you have to let go of the bird you hold, to try to capture the other two birds in Bush, then it does not sound too good. As the proverb says.

    The other way to look at this, is this unconditionality. In psychiatry it allows for unconditional positive regard for a mental patient. Since they can not be responsible for their actions. But for most psychiatric patients there exists behavioural elements. And so does CBT treatment.


    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_behavioral_therapy


    https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog/hide-and-seek/201703/is-bird-in-the-hand-worth-two-in-the-bush%3famp

    So that I don't end up contradicting myself, political opportunism and economic short termism, is only of benefit in the short term. With destructive influences long term. Yet leaving immediate interests entirely for the promise of future gain, does not lead to prosperity. Therefore the persuit of short term goals, must always takes place with a realistic possibility of bringing long term gains and never at the expense of loosing long term gains.
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    Post  GarryB Yesterday at 11:16 pm

    The attack on the pantsir reminds me the video where we see SAA soldiers in the middle of a battle on the front not covered doing nothing and being hit by an ATGM.

    That comes down to one of the simple facts of war... the best chance for a win is when the enemy doesn't know they are being attacked until they are dead.

    The Red Baron had a set of rules for murdering enemy pilots and one of them was basically to not let your enemy know they are under attack until you are sure of a kill... ie don't start firing at him with tracer rounds at long range.... wait until you are sure every round will hit before you start firing.

    Worked on British and French fighters for two world wars, so of course it will work on tanks and other vehicles anywhere too.

    How to think about this problem? With an English proverb. A bird in the hand is better than two in the Bush! This depends on how many hands you have and how many you need to hold the bird firmly. And how many hands you have or need to go for the other birds in the Bush. It also depends on what type of Birds you have or need. If you have only two hands, and you have to let go of the bird you hold, to try to capture the other two birds in Bush, then it does not sound too good. As the proverb says.

    No. What the proverb means is that if you have got one thing, then that is better than the potential of getting two things but not actually having either.

    It is like the story of the dog with a bone walking across a bridge over water... it looks down and sees another dog with another bone and thinks if it can take that dogs bone it will have two bones... so it barks as loud and aggressively as it can and drops the bone it has, but the dog in the water barks too and its bone disappears as well so instead of one bone, or two bones... it ends up with no bones... and while barking at that damn dog in the water for the rest of the day... it still ends up with no bone.

    They are proverbs about risk and greed.

    Don't give up what you have for the chance of something that might seem better if you could end up with neither or nothing.

    I will win it all back next throw is the call of the lost gambler.

    The next throw might be the winner, but the chances are much greater that it will just be more debt and problems for the problem gambler.

    People love to hear those stories of the winners, but for every winner there are thousands of losers whose lost money makes up the prizes for the winners and the profit margin for the house... it is only the house that wins.

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