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    George1
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    Re: Russian Foreign Policy in the Middle East

    Post  George1 on Tue Oct 04, 2016 8:33 am

    Russian MP says Moscow may push antiterrorist war in Middle East to end

    A Russian lawmaker says after the US decision to suspend contacts on Syria, Russia can take the issue into own hands and push the antiterrorist war to an end

    MOSCOW, October 4. /TASS/. Russia may push the antiterrorist war in the Middle East through to an end after the latest informational provocations and official statements from the U.S., First Deputy Speaker of the State Duma, Ivan Melnikov told TASS on Monday.

    "After the recent informational provocations and official statements from the U.S. we can untie our own hands and push the antiterrorist war in the Middle East through to an end," said Melnikov, who is one of the top decision-makers in the Communist Party of the Russian Federation (CPRF). He voiced the confidence this would meet the interests of Russia, Europe and the rationally thinking Americans in an equal measure.

    "Otherwise this was spread much broader than today," he said.

    Melnikov recalled that the military operation of the Russian Aerospace Force against the terrorist organization had been very efficacious.

    "We suspended it and took up the peace process quite conscientiously, as we expected mutual understanding with the so-called allies in struggle with terrorism," he said.

    "Yet time has shown the U.S. is playing a double game as regards Russia," Melnikov said. "To suit its interest, the U.S. supports directly or indirectly the forces that seed destruction, bloodshed and chaos. It wants to protect from destruction the big numbers of terrorists and keep them up."

    All of this has become very apparent now, he said.

    Earlier on Monday, the chief of the U.S. Department of State press service, John Kirby, said the U.S. was suspending the use of bilateral channels with Russia that had been established to help serve the ceasefire in Syria.

    He also said the U.S. was revoking the personnel that was supposed to take up in the setting-up of a join executive center.


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    Re: Russian Foreign Policy in the Middle East

    Post  George1 on Sun Oct 16, 2016 11:48 pm

    This is a CIA old report from 80s about USSR's goals in Middle East and its relations with various states.
    Although its from a foreign perspective it is interesting to compare the background of USSR/Russia relations with M.East states from the past to present.

    https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/DOC_0000499549.pdf

    Russian policy defines 3 areas

    1. Middle East the non-arab countries of Iran and Turkey
    2. Near East the countries of Levant, Iraq, Egypt and Arabian Peninsula and
    3. North Afircan countries of Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia and Libya

    Soviet Policy goals were:
    1. Blocking any US-sponsored Arab-Israeli peace settlement that leaves Moscow out and optimally, regaining a voice in the peace process
    2. Unifying the Arabs into a pro-Soviet front ending the isolation of USSR's allied states of Syria, S.Yemen and Libya
    3. Stemming the drift of Algeria and Iraq towards on lesser dependence with Soviet Union and to closer ties with the US
    4. Expanding influence in Egypt and Iran. Two important regional targets
    5. Eroding Turkey's security ties with the United States

    Lets compare that goals then with today's background
    1. Russia is part of Middle East quartet. The group was established in in 2002, as a result of the escalating conflict in the Middle East.
    2. Russia's allied states today can be considered Syria and Iran after 90s. Libya is lost and Yemen is in unstable situation years now
    3. Algeria and Iraq have made big arms deals with Russia today and have much more dependence for arms on Russia than on US. From the other hand the have close economic relations with USA.
    4. This goal has been almost fully achieved, since Iran is a Russian ally in region and Egypt has moved to closer ties with Moscow last years after General Sisi takeover of power. Economic deals, arms deals, joint military exercises have balanced previous decades of US influence
    5. Turkeys security ties are eroding to US because of Erdogan's policies and not because of Russia'a actions. We will see how this will be evoluted


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    Re: Russian Foreign Policy in the Middle East

    Post  RedJasmin on Sun Oct 23, 2016 2:21 am

    George1 wrote:This is a CIA old report from 80s about USSR's goals in Middle East and its relations with various states.
    Although its from a foreign perspective it is interesting to compare the background of USSR/Russia relations with M.East states from the past to present.

    https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/DOC_0000499549.pdf

    Russian policy defines 3 areas

    1. Middle East the non-arab countries of Iran and Turkey
    2. Near East the countries of Levant, Iraq, Egypt and Arabian Peninsula and
    3. North Afircan countries of Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia and Libya

    Soviet Policy goals were:
    1. Blocking any US-sponsored Arab-Israeli peace settlement that leaves Moscow out and optimally, regaining a voice in the peace process
    2. Unifying the Arabs into a pro-Soviet front ending the isolation of USSR's allied states of Syria, S.Yemen and Libya
    3. Stemming the drift of Algeria and Iraq towards on lesser dependence with Soviet Union and to closer ties with the US
    4. Expanding influence in Egypt and Iran. Two important regional targets
    5. Eroding Turkey's security ties with the United States

    Lets compare that goals then with today's background
    1. Russia is part of Middle East quartet. The group was established in in 2002, as a result of the escalating conflict in the Middle East.
    2. Russia's allied states today can be considered Syria and Iran after 90s. Libya is lost and Yemen is in unstable situation years now
    3. Algeria and Iraq have made big arms deals with Russia today and have much more dependence for arms on Russia than on US. From the other hand the have close economic relations with USA.
    4. This goal has been almost fully achieved, since Iran is a Russian ally in region and Egypt has moved to closer ties with Moscow last years after General Sisi takeover of power. Economic deals, arms deals, joint military exercises have balanced previous decades of US influence
    5. Turkeys security ties are eroding to US because of Erdogan's policies and not because of Russia'a actions. We will see how this will be evoluted

    Very interesting. Considering today's background, I think some positives and negatives to be taken on board from the current situation.

    1. The quartet is effectively dead, as any Palestinian peace deal looks miles away. I think Russia's efforts here would be best spent trying to get Hamas and Fatah to present a united front, and providing meaningful economic development assistance, so that in the event of a settlement in the future, Russia could have a new ally based on genuine historical ties and support. It's an investment in the future.

    2. Aiding civilians in Yemen to preserve a valuable ally could be helpful here. Russian interests would be strengthened considerably by having the goodwill of the population, and would be a strong gesture. More robustly, Russia could support the Houthi government factions with defensive weaponry and general logistical equipment (i.e. anti-aircraft weapons to resist Saudi airstrikes, APCs etc). Russia really does need to regain some traction Yemen.

    3. This has been some of the most positive developments of the last few years. Especially with Algeria, Russia needs to work hard to both broaden and deepen this progress into general economic and geo-political alliance. A strategic ally in the Western Mediterranean would be a significant step forward. Russia's energy sector expertise could be really utilised here to great mutual benefit.

    4. Iran is now a solid ally, but Egypt needs careful diplomacy to really make an impact. I'd be cautious to celebrate too early.

    5. For Russia, Turkey is the best news she's had in a long time. Keep at the good work at loosing friends and alienating people, Erdogan... Sometimes, your enemies really do just start hitting themselves repeatedly in the face while you just sit there and watch. Now is one of those times.


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    Re: Russian Foreign Policy in the Middle East

    Post  George1 on Sun Nov 13, 2016 12:39 pm

    Medvedev arrives in Jericho for Russian-Palestinian talks

    JERICHO, November 11. /TASS/. Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev has arrived in the city Jericho. Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas greeted the Russian premier and members of the delegation. The Russian-Palestinian talks have started.

    Medvedev and Abbas are due to sign a number of bilateral agreements during their meeting. "New bilateral documents are planned to be signed on the sidelines of my visit to Palestine," Medvedev said in his article for the Palestinian media. "An even more favorable atmosphere is being created for joint onward progress, bilateral investment, cooperation in industry, agriculture, trade and culture."

    The Russian prime minister said that Russia and Palestine "pay special attention" to strengthening economic cooperation, that develops despite "unfavorable factors related to a complicated military and political situation, as well as regional instability."


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    Re: Russian Foreign Policy in the Middle East

    Post  nomadski on Wed Jan 04, 2017 8:18 pm

    Why did the non capitalist road to development fail Iin Afghanistan ? Here it is important to correctly identify the actual stage in social and human development . No matter how much you shout at Afghan to unite . By ideology or loudspeaker . They can not practically make a move in that direction . They can not form a nation . Since there is lack of economic development . And lack of an important class . The national bourgeoisie . So clothes do not make a man . The long term solution for the region is economic development . Investment in a directed and intelligent way . In diverse communities . That enable the melding together . Formation of national identity . The yanks only want to promote the narrow interests of a few multinationals . So for them economic development runs counter to their interests . Choosing instead to promote rule by the few . Who can be bribed cheaply . Hence no effort by them to invest in Afghanistan . The way Russians can succeed . Is to correctly identify the stage of national development . And help it along . By investment . Once they build the man . He will afford to wear the right clothes .

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    Re: Russian Foreign Policy in the Middle East

    Post  GarryB on Fri Jan 06, 2017 4:33 am

    I tend to agree... so many Afghans probably can't remember what peace is, let alone law and order.

    When you have nothing then you have nothing to lose.


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    Re: Russian Foreign Policy in the Middle East

    Post  nomadski on Fri Jan 06, 2017 5:18 pm

    Well said . It is difficult sometimes to overcome one's own political or ideological or ethnic biases . But material ownership allows a new level of politics . We may rightly feel bad about some aspect of another man's culture or politics . But by economic stiching or sewing together to create industrial sites or zones that use local raw materials and labour and produce goods locally . Then we build nations . Once the door is closed to the house . And thieves can not get in . Then a family can form and children feel safe . But again the husband could be beating his wife ! But that is a lesser of the evils . And a job for a marriage councillor !


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    Re: Russian Foreign Policy in the Middle East

    Post  GarryB on Sat Jan 07, 2017 10:16 am

    Once you have peace and stability then you can properly educate.

    Even so called civilised sophisticated and liberated western women put up with domestic abuse... because he is sorry and he actually loves me really and he said he wont do it again...

    Sometimes people make mistakes and think they have to keep living with those mistakes rather than changing their situation.

    The west is wrong... there is no one path of civilisation and the west is certainly not the peak of evolution.

    Personally I think people are too full of their rights and not respectful of their responsibilities.

    I think the justice system in the west is broken... it is about winning and losing... it should be about justice for the victim and the guilty.

    A lawyer who gets a guilty person off should be disbarred.

    We forget that when nation building however... they must all be reproductions in our image... Britain did that with its colonies 2 hundred years ago and its colonies continue... like Australia in New Guinea and Indonesia... and the US everywhere.


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    Re: Russian Foreign Policy in the Middle East

    Post  nomadski on Sat Jan 07, 2017 1:34 pm


    It is a little difficult to find the way forward . Different ideas all have predictive elements . Monotheistic religions talk of an eternal battle of good versus evil . Ending in a cataclysmic event . When all evil is eradicated . Social thinkers predict a world free of exploitation . Others predict a world of wealth and plenty . I predict the collapse of human civilization . Different people have different ideas . And these ideas change . As do their political ideas . Different people come to power .

    In this modern world . Today's friends can turn into tomorrow's foes . But how does this affect or should affect a considered and logical stand in foreign policy . How should one act in peace and war ? This assumes that human society is separate from natural law . And it can create it's own laws . Or have it's own ideas .

    I tend to think that the world exists within natural laws . That govern not only the atoms . But human society as well . But I think that we have not yet discovered these laws . And understood them properly . Despite theories by evolutionists and creationists . And since we do not live in accordance with natural laws . We face extinction . Perhaps our big brains , instead of being an evolutionary spike . Is in fact an evolutionary dead end . Like the big antlers of giant deer . That lead to it's demise . In fact creationist thinkers attribute our expulsion from paradise , to having knowledge . Or a big brain . So the two seem to be in agreement !

    So in nature there are no harmful relationships . Although humans wrongly attribute their actions to animals .or they anthromorphize them . So in this way we have to maintain beneficial relationships . This may have more to do with our instincts than our intellect . That reduces and abstracts the real world .


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