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    Kremlin denies firing on Israeli warplane in Syria

    Post  Visc on Sat Apr 23, 2016 1:24 pm

    Kremlin denies firing on Israeli warplane in Syria

    The Spokesperson for the Kremlin, Dmitry Peskov, issued a statement on Friday, denying that the Russian forces opened fire on an Israeli warplane inside Syria.

    When asked about the reports from the Israeli media regarding the alleged confrontation, Peskov responded: “in this case, Israeli press reports are far from reality.”

    The Israeli publication, Yedioth Ahronoth, alleges that the Russian forces have fired at Israeli warplanes on a number of occasions this year; however, these reports are all speculation.

    According to Yedioth Ahronoth, Israeli President Reuven Rivlin brought up these allegations during his visit to Moscow on March 15th.

    At the time, Putin responded that he was unaware of the incidents, Yedioth said.

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    I hope that this is just a statement though!
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    Re: Russian Foreign Policy in the Middle East

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Sat Apr 23, 2016 2:21 pm

    Jesus, not this again, how many times have we caught Israeli Yellow Press (pun intended) red handed inventing third dimensions...
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    Re: Russian Foreign Policy in the Middle East

    Post  George1 on Mon May 30, 2016 3:14 pm

    Russia will return to Israel tank that Syrian troops captured in 1980

    "Israel at the end of the week received a notice that the Russian President Vladimir Putin agreed to the request by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on the return of the tank, which was handed over to the Syrians of the Russian army, and on display today at the Museum of Armored Forces," - said in a press statement Netanyahu service.

    is this just a matter of "moral satisfaction" for Israel??
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    Re: Russian Foreign Policy in the Middle East

    Post  George1 on Fri Jun 10, 2016 12:35 am

    Lavrov favors Russia-Israel ties

    Russia is ready to use its good relations with the Palestinians and the Israelis to end the stalemate in the Middle East settlement, says Lavrov

    MOSCOW, June 9 /TASS/. Russia’s relations with Israel are obtaining a stable positive quality, and the uncompromising struggle against terrorism contributes to the two countries’ rapprochement, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said on Thursday.

    He said that this week’s visit to Moscow of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu had shown that the relations between Russia and Israel were obtaining a stable new positive quality.

    "In addition to mutually deep affection of our peoples for each other and apart from mutually-beneficial interaction; the presence of economic and investment projects, a very close vision of the region’s problems and the realization, above all, of the need to wage uncompromising struggle against terrorism without any double standards makes our relations even closer," Lavrov stressed.

    "We are convinced that the Palestinian-Israeli settlement and the Arab-Israeli conflict in a broader sense would certainly help preventing young people in Arab countries to fall an easy prey to recruiters from the terrorist international," the Russian foreign minister stressed.

    He added that Russia was ready to use its good relations with the Palestinians and the Israelis to end the stalemate in the Middle East settlement but it will do that exclusively within the framework of the "quartet" of Middle East peace brokers.

    "Russia has trustful and very good relations with the Palestinians and the Israelis. We are ready to be maximum active in using this comparative advantage," Lavrov said.

    "As for who is and can be the main broker in the Palestinian-Israeli settlement, the ‘quartet’ comprising Russia, the United States, the European Union and the United Nations," the Russian foreign minister said.

    "Russia has trustful and very good relations with the Palestinians and the Israelis. We are ready to be maximum active in using this comparative advantage," Lavrov said.

    He added that Moscow would promote close interaction between the "quartet" and the League of Arab States (LAS), the author of the Arab peace initiative, which is extremely important for joint efforts.


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    Re: Russian Foreign Policy in the Middle East

    Post  George1 on Sun Sep 04, 2016 3:06 pm

    Putin says Russia interested in ongoing dialogue with Saudi Arabia

    "We believe, of course, no major issue in the region can be settled without Saudi Arabia," Putin said

    HANGZHOU /China/, September 4. /TASS/. Russia pays special attention to expanding of the diverse cooperation with Saudi Arabia, which is the biggest oil producer, and without which no major international problem could be settled, Russia’s President Vladimir Putin said during a meeting with successor of the Kingdom’s Crown Prince Mohammad bin Salman on sidelines of the G20 summit in China on Sunday.

    "We are paying special attention to expanding of the diverse and mutually beneficial cooperation with Saudi Arabia," Putin said. "This is also true about our bilateral relations, meaning we are biggest oil producing countries."

    "We believe, of course, no major issue in the region can be settled without Saudi Arabia," he said.

    The Russian leader stressed it is very important for Russia to support ongoing contact with Saudi Arabia.


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    Re: Russian Foreign Policy in the Middle East

    Post  George1 on Tue Oct 04, 2016 8:33 am

    Russian MP says Moscow may push antiterrorist war in Middle East to end

    A Russian lawmaker says after the US decision to suspend contacts on Syria, Russia can take the issue into own hands and push the antiterrorist war to an end

    MOSCOW, October 4. /TASS/. Russia may push the antiterrorist war in the Middle East through to an end after the latest informational provocations and official statements from the U.S., First Deputy Speaker of the State Duma, Ivan Melnikov told TASS on Monday.

    "After the recent informational provocations and official statements from the U.S. we can untie our own hands and push the antiterrorist war in the Middle East through to an end," said Melnikov, who is one of the top decision-makers in the Communist Party of the Russian Federation (CPRF). He voiced the confidence this would meet the interests of Russia, Europe and the rationally thinking Americans in an equal measure.

    "Otherwise this was spread much broader than today," he said.

    Melnikov recalled that the military operation of the Russian Aerospace Force against the terrorist organization had been very efficacious.

    "We suspended it and took up the peace process quite conscientiously, as we expected mutual understanding with the so-called allies in struggle with terrorism," he said.

    "Yet time has shown the U.S. is playing a double game as regards Russia," Melnikov said. "To suit its interest, the U.S. supports directly or indirectly the forces that seed destruction, bloodshed and chaos. It wants to protect from destruction the big numbers of terrorists and keep them up."

    All of this has become very apparent now, he said.

    Earlier on Monday, the chief of the U.S. Department of State press service, John Kirby, said the U.S. was suspending the use of bilateral channels with Russia that had been established to help serve the ceasefire in Syria.

    He also said the U.S. was revoking the personnel that was supposed to take up in the setting-up of a join executive center.


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    Re: Russian Foreign Policy in the Middle East

    Post  George1 on Sun Oct 16, 2016 11:48 pm

    This is a CIA old report from 80s about USSR's goals in Middle East and its relations with various states.
    Although its from a foreign perspective it is interesting to compare the background of USSR/Russia relations with M.East states from the past to present.

    https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/DOC_0000499549.pdf

    Russian policy defines 3 areas

    1. Middle East the non-arab countries of Iran and Turkey
    2. Near East the countries of Levant, Iraq, Egypt and Arabian Peninsula and
    3. North Afircan countries of Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia and Libya

    Soviet Policy goals were:
    1. Blocking any US-sponsored Arab-Israeli peace settlement that leaves Moscow out and optimally, regaining a voice in the peace process
    2. Unifying the Arabs into a pro-Soviet front ending the isolation of USSR's allied states of Syria, S.Yemen and Libya
    3. Stemming the drift of Algeria and Iraq towards on lesser dependence with Soviet Union and to closer ties with the US
    4. Expanding influence in Egypt and Iran. Two important regional targets
    5. Eroding Turkey's security ties with the United States

    Lets compare that goals then with today's background
    1. Russia is part of Middle East quartet. The group was established in in 2002, as a result of the escalating conflict in the Middle East.
    2. Russia's allied states today can be considered Syria and Iran after 90s. Libya is lost and Yemen is in unstable situation years now
    3. Algeria and Iraq have made big arms deals with Russia today and have much more dependence for arms on Russia than on US. From the other hand the have close economic relations with USA.
    4. This goal has been almost fully achieved, since Iran is a Russian ally in region and Egypt has moved to closer ties with Moscow last years after General Sisi takeover of power. Economic deals, arms deals, joint military exercises have balanced previous decades of US influence
    5. Turkeys security ties are eroding to US because of Erdogan's policies and not because of Russia'a actions. We will see how this will be evoluted

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    Re: Russian Foreign Policy in the Middle East

    Post  RedJasmin on Sun Oct 23, 2016 2:21 am

    George1 wrote:This is a CIA old report from 80s about USSR's goals in Middle East and its relations with various states.
    Although its from a foreign perspective it is interesting to compare the background of USSR/Russia relations with M.East states from the past to present.

    https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/DOC_0000499549.pdf

    Russian policy defines 3 areas

    1. Middle East the non-arab countries of Iran and Turkey
    2. Near East the countries of Levant, Iraq, Egypt and Arabian Peninsula and
    3. North Afircan countries of Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia and Libya

    Soviet Policy goals were:
    1. Blocking any US-sponsored Arab-Israeli peace settlement that leaves Moscow out and optimally, regaining a voice in the peace process
    2. Unifying the Arabs into a pro-Soviet front ending the isolation of USSR's allied states of Syria, S.Yemen and Libya
    3. Stemming the drift of Algeria and Iraq towards on lesser dependence with Soviet Union and to closer ties with the US
    4. Expanding influence in Egypt and Iran. Two important regional targets
    5. Eroding Turkey's security ties with the United States

    Lets compare that goals then with today's background
    1. Russia is part of Middle East quartet. The group was established in in 2002, as a result of the escalating conflict in the Middle East.
    2. Russia's allied states today can be considered Syria and Iran after 90s. Libya is lost and Yemen is in unstable situation years now
    3. Algeria and Iraq have made big arms deals with Russia today and have much more dependence for arms on Russia than on US. From the other hand the have close economic relations with USA.
    4. This goal has been almost fully achieved, since Iran is a Russian ally in region and Egypt has moved to closer ties with Moscow last years after General Sisi takeover of power. Economic deals, arms deals, joint military exercises have balanced previous decades of US influence
    5. Turkeys security ties are eroding to US because of Erdogan's policies and not because of Russia'a actions. We will see how this will be evoluted

    Very interesting. Considering today's background, I think some positives and negatives to be taken on board from the current situation.

    1. The quartet is effectively dead, as any Palestinian peace deal looks miles away. I think Russia's efforts here would be best spent trying to get Hamas and Fatah to present a united front, and providing meaningful economic development assistance, so that in the event of a settlement in the future, Russia could have a new ally based on genuine historical ties and support. It's an investment in the future.

    2. Aiding civilians in Yemen to preserve a valuable ally could be helpful here. Russian interests would be strengthened considerably by having the goodwill of the population, and would be a strong gesture. More robustly, Russia could support the Houthi government factions with defensive weaponry and general logistical equipment (i.e. anti-aircraft weapons to resist Saudi airstrikes, APCs etc). Russia really does need to regain some traction Yemen.

    3. This has been some of the most positive developments of the last few years. Especially with Algeria, Russia needs to work hard to both broaden and deepen this progress into general economic and geo-political alliance. A strategic ally in the Western Mediterranean would be a significant step forward. Russia's energy sector expertise could be really utilised here to great mutual benefit.

    4. Iran is now a solid ally, but Egypt needs careful diplomacy to really make an impact. I'd be cautious to celebrate too early.

    5. For Russia, Turkey is the best news she's had in a long time. Keep at the good work at loosing friends and alienating people, Erdogan... Sometimes, your enemies really do just start hitting themselves repeatedly in the face while you just sit there and watch. Now is one of those times.

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    Re: Russian Foreign Policy in the Middle East

    Post  George1 on Sun Nov 13, 2016 12:39 pm

    Medvedev arrives in Jericho for Russian-Palestinian talks

    JERICHO, November 11. /TASS/. Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev has arrived in the city Jericho. Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas greeted the Russian premier and members of the delegation. The Russian-Palestinian talks have started.

    Medvedev and Abbas are due to sign a number of bilateral agreements during their meeting. "New bilateral documents are planned to be signed on the sidelines of my visit to Palestine," Medvedev said in his article for the Palestinian media. "An even more favorable atmosphere is being created for joint onward progress, bilateral investment, cooperation in industry, agriculture, trade and culture."

    The Russian prime minister said that Russia and Palestine "pay special attention" to strengthening economic cooperation, that develops despite "unfavorable factors related to a complicated military and political situation, as well as regional instability."


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    Re: Russian Foreign Policy in the Middle East

    Post  nomadski on Wed Jan 04, 2017 8:18 pm

    Why did the non capitalist road to development fail Iin Afghanistan ? Here it is important to correctly identify the actual stage in social and human development . No matter how much you shout at Afghan to unite . By ideology or loudspeaker . They can not practically make a move in that direction . They can not form a nation . Since there is lack of economic development . And lack of an important class . The national bourgeoisie . So clothes do not make a man . The long term solution for the region is economic development . Investment in a directed and intelligent way . In diverse communities . That enable the melding together . Formation of national identity . The yanks only want to promote the narrow interests of a few multinationals . So for them economic development runs counter to their interests . Choosing instead to promote rule by the few . Who can be bribed cheaply . Hence no effort by them to invest in Afghanistan . The way Russians can succeed . Is to correctly identify the stage of national development . And help it along . By investment . Once they build the man . He will afford to wear the right clothes .
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    Re: Russian Foreign Policy in the Middle East

    Post  GarryB on Fri Jan 06, 2017 4:33 am

    I tend to agree... so many Afghans probably can't remember what peace is, let alone law and order.

    When you have nothing then you have nothing to lose.
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    Re: Russian Foreign Policy in the Middle East

    Post  nomadski on Fri Jan 06, 2017 5:18 pm

    Well said . It is difficult sometimes to overcome one's own political or ideological or ethnic biases . But material ownership allows a new level of politics . We may rightly feel bad about some aspect of another man's culture or politics . But by economic stiching or sewing together to create industrial sites or zones that use local raw materials and labour and produce goods locally . Then we build nations . Once the door is closed to the house . And thieves can not get in . Then a family can form and children feel safe . But again the husband could be beating his wife ! But that is a lesser of the evils . And a job for a marriage councillor !

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    Re: Russian Foreign Policy in the Middle East

    Post  GarryB on Sat Jan 07, 2017 10:16 am

    Once you have peace and stability then you can properly educate.

    Even so called civilised sophisticated and liberated western women put up with domestic abuse... because he is sorry and he actually loves me really and he said he wont do it again...

    Sometimes people make mistakes and think they have to keep living with those mistakes rather than changing their situation.

    The west is wrong... there is no one path of civilisation and the west is certainly not the peak of evolution.

    Personally I think people are too full of their rights and not respectful of their responsibilities.

    I think the justice system in the west is broken... it is about winning and losing... it should be about justice for the victim and the guilty.

    A lawyer who gets a guilty person off should be disbarred.

    We forget that when nation building however... they must all be reproductions in our image... Britain did that with its colonies 2 hundred years ago and its colonies continue... like Australia in New Guinea and Indonesia... and the US everywhere.
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    Re: Russian Foreign Policy in the Middle East

    Post  nomadski on Sat Jan 07, 2017 1:34 pm


    It is a little difficult to find the way forward . Different ideas all have predictive elements . Monotheistic religions talk of an eternal battle of good versus evil . Ending in a cataclysmic event . When all evil is eradicated . Social thinkers predict a world free of exploitation . Others predict a world of wealth and plenty . I predict the collapse of human civilization . Different people have different ideas . And these ideas change . As do their political ideas . Different people come to power .

    In this modern world . Today's friends can turn into tomorrow's foes . But how does this affect or should affect a considered and logical stand in foreign policy . How should one act in peace and war ? This assumes that human society is separate from natural law . And it can create it's own laws . Or have it's own ideas .

    I tend to think that the world exists within natural laws . That govern not only the atoms . But human society as well . But I think that we have not yet discovered these laws . And understood them properly . Despite theories by evolutionists and creationists . And since we do not live in accordance with natural laws . We face extinction . Perhaps our big brains , instead of being an evolutionary spike . Is in fact an evolutionary dead end . Like the big antlers of giant deer . That lead to it's demise . In fact creationist thinkers attribute our expulsion from paradise , to having knowledge . Or a big brain . So the two seem to be in agreement !

    So in nature there are no harmful relationships . Although humans wrongly attribute their actions to animals .or they anthromorphize them . So in this way we have to maintain beneficial relationships . This may have more to do with our instincts than our intellect . That reduces and abstracts the real world .

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    Re: Russian Foreign Policy in the Middle East

    Post  George1 on Wed Feb 08, 2017 5:23 pm

    The growth of Russian influence in the Mediterranean

    According to French newsletter «TTU» in the article «Méditerranée: le« grand remplacement »», with the rapidity that distinguishes the Russian foreign policy, as well as using the Syrian model Moscow enjoys a strategic vacuum, which was formed in Libya because of the procrastination of European diplomacy as well as the uncertainty of foreign policy of US President Trump project administration. Russia also uses and the void created by Western diplomats in Egypt. Moscow systematically promotes its shape, strengthening cooperation in the field of security and defense with the countries of the region.

    In Egypt, after the signing of major contracts for the purchase of arms in 2015 of 5 billion euros and the modernization of the local defense industry companies, Russia is negotiating on granting of Egyptian military bases, primarily naval and air base at Sidi Barrani. This convergence has continued in the diplomatic dimension: the common views of Russian President Vladimir Putin and Egyptian President Abdel Fattah El-Sisi on the Syrian issue (in countering Riyadh) and Libyan cases (in support of Marshal Khalifa Haftar).

    Russian support of Marshal Haftar, which was discussed during the "meeting of the sea", against the government of national unity, expressed in the ongoing negotiations for the purchase of arms worth about 1.5 billion euros (combat aircraft, tanks, air defense systems), as well as proposals for reform of the Libyan army. As a reciprocal gesture Moscow is in talks to obtain naval bases, which will give Russian Fleet parking lot, bred west than its Syrian and Egyptian bases.

    "Pearl Necklace", which will allow the Russian fleet to ensure a permanent presence in the Mediterranean, while the US Navy also did not leave the water. In political terms, Moscow is pushing marshal Khalifa Haftar for a meeting with Libyan Prime Minister Fayez al-Sarrayem in Cairo.

    With Algeria, which is an important customer of the Russian defense industry, and the time has come to strengthen the security arrangements. In Morocco, with which Moscow has signed several agreements in the field of security in the past year, particularly with regard to the fight against terrorism, are showing interest in Russian bombers and submarines. Upon its return to the Middle East, Russia is prepared to stay a long time in the Mediterranean region.

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    Re: Russian Foreign Policy in the Middle East

    Post  starman on Sun Feb 12, 2017 12:06 pm

    George1 wrote:
    In Egypt, after the signing of major contracts for the purchase of arms in 2015 of 5 billion euros and the modernization of the local defense industry companies, Russia is negotiating on granting of Egyptian military bases, primarily naval and air base at Sidi Barrani.

    Has Egypt expressed interest in the T-50 or Armata?


    Russian support of Marshal Haftar, which was discussed during the "meeting of the sea", against the government of national unity, expressed in the ongoing negotiations for the purchase of arms worth about 1.5 billion euros (combat aircraft, tanks, air defense systems), as well as proposals for reform of the Libyan army.

    So Haftar or Hifter, has the money of eastern Libya? Russia-Libya and Russia-Egypt relations are beginning to resemble, or revert to, those of the cold war.
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    Re: Russian Foreign Policy in the Middle East

    Post  George1 on Fri Mar 03, 2017 11:46 am

    Russia mediates in the rapprochement between Jordan and Syria

    According to French newsletter «Intelligence online» in the material «Comment Amman consolidate son rapprochement avec Damas», initiating the rapprochement with Moscow, Jordan's King Abdullah II with the help of their Russian interlocutors develops new channels of communication with the Syrian regime of Bashar Assad. To justify this new convergence used the rhetoric of fighting "Islamic state", and it goes with the Kremlin's blessing, and the acquiescence of the White House. Abdullah II became the first head of state, who paid a visit to the United States under the new president Donald Trump.

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    Re: Russian Foreign Policy in the Middle East

    Post  nomadski on Sun Mar 05, 2017 10:45 am

    Why do humans do wrong to each other ? Is it that they are sinful from birth ? Or misguided throughout life ? Or that their propensity to do wrong is accentuated by circumstance ? Are some humans sinless from birth ? Their souls uncorruptable through life , by circumstance ? Or that all humans exist in relative cognitive dissonance . Circumstance then alleviating this condition . I believe the latter .

    Circumstances of the industrial revolution in Europe . Led Europeans and their dissendents into the false narrative of their supremacy in the world against all other races . They will try to maintain this advantageous position at any cost . Discarding the reality of the changing world . The British for instance will spend billions on nuclear weapons . While at home their people lack basic medical care , food and housing . Abroad they still support absolute rulers , dictators , who will act against the interests of local people . Against their democratic rights . Against national development . Independence .

    This includes national defence . They will not allow industrial growth . National defence industries . As the proverb goes " give a man a fish and you feed him for a day . Teach him how to fish and you feed him for life " . That is where Russia and China and Iran can overtake and exceed them . By encouraging national development . Selling weapons is not the solution for these nations . Making weapons is better solution . Why should all these countries not make the means to defend themselves ? So that they can be truly independent of western imperialism ?
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    Re: Russian Foreign Policy in the Middle East

    Post  George1 on Mon Mar 27, 2017 11:10 am

    Difficulties between Russia and Israel on the Syrian issue

    According to the publication "Le Reliance russo-israelien a l'epreuve de l'Iran" in the French bulletin "Intelligence online", following the example of the leaders of the Persian Gulf countries, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu wants to create a Shiite axis next to his country. During a meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin on March 9, 2017, the Israeli Prime Minister asked for Russia's intervention in the situation around the Golan Heights, where Iranian detachments of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps are active. At the same time, the Iranians, with the help of local media, made it clear that they are creating combat cells in the area. Military intelligence of Israel wants to expand the channels of communication with the Main Intelligence Directorate of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Russia, and first of all on the issue of the movement of Iranian troops and units of the Hezbollah movement in this border region.

    Moscow did not show interest in allowing any action on these issues. Moreover, a few days later, on March 16, Israel carried out an attack from the air of Syrian territory without informing Russia. Moreover, this operation was carried out despite the existence of a secret agreement "on the reduction of conflict" between the air forces of the two countries, which is aimed at avoiding clashes between Russian and Israeli planes in Syria.

    A very difficult rapprochement between Russia and Israel on the Syrian dossier occurs after the Russian authorities began taking measures to make it difficult for Hezbollah to have a presence on Syrian territory. Recently, the Russian president promised Turkey to stop support in Syria formations that were created and supplied by the Guard Corps of the Islamic Revolution.

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    Re: Russian Foreign Policy in the Middle East

    Post  starman on Sun Jun 11, 2017 9:14 pm

    George1 wrote:
    A very difficult rapprochement between Russia and Israel on the Syrian dossier occurs after the Russian authorities began taking measures to make it difficult for Hezbollah to have a presence on Syrian territory.

    Why? Where would Assad be without Hez? Didn't they just help regain Aleppo for him?

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    Re: Russian Foreign Policy in the Middle East

    Post  yavar on Thu Nov 02, 2017 11:53 am



    Russia Chief Staff Gen Gerasimov met Iran chief Staff Gen Bagheri, Tehran باقری با ژنرال گراسیموف

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    constitution and political process in Syria

    Post  nomadski on Thu Nov 23, 2017 10:12 pm

    Are any of the world's democracies truly representational of their populations ? I believe that a parliament should be like a mirror to society . That the law should guarantee this . Irrespective of the existence of the number or type of political parties . In case of single party states , then this party being national in character , must include all citizens by religion and ethnicity and economic class or profession . This I think is the system operational in Syria now .

    A transition to multi-party democracy can happen , even if these new political parties are regional . However the membership and constituents they present to parliament must be a mirror or reflective of the regions they operate in . So a political party that operates in northern Syria , may have to have a percentage of kurd and turkoman members for parliament . And these must also reflect by their profession , the economic make up of the area . They may therefore have to be mostly farmers with a small percentage of workers etc.

    In this way the big mirror of parliament is made up of several smaller mirrors put together by political parties This system is more suited to countries that are decentralised and not homogeneous . However for countries that are more developed and homogeneous . Then national parties are possible and better . But still to maintain proportionality , the ingredients of these parties must be reflective of the population .

    The best system , I think is one based on economic class . You need about four political parties . All national . Representing each class by numbers . But you can still insure that these parties are themselves representational along religious and ethnic lines . Here the supremacy is economics . The most immediate concern for most and the nation .

    I don't think that there are any perfect or ideal democracies in the world today . The British parliament for example has a very high percentage of property developers among it's ranks ( traders ) . And few or no workers !

    Political parties that are exclusive by ideology or religion or ethnicity and operate in an area , can not possibly represent the entire population . And therefore other political parties that can represent them , must operate in these regions . No individual should be left with no representation . Also no individual can be a member of two different political parties .

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    It's high time to take Russia-Iran military cooperation to the next level!

    Post  T-47 on Thu May 10, 2018 6:10 pm

    It's high time to take Russia-Iran military cooperation to the next level! One way or another Saudi-Israeli alliance will attack them from strong US backing and arming. Better start preparing. Don't count on Europe. They are still pussies, they have no gut to ignore order from US.

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    Re: Russian Foreign Policy in the Middle East

    Post  par far on Thu May 10, 2018 6:57 pm

    T-47 wrote:It's high time to take Russia-Iran military cooperation to the next level! One way or another Saudi-Israeli alliance will attack them from strong US backing and arming. Better start preparing. Don't count on Europe. They are still pussies, they have no gut to ignore order from US.


    This is very hard to do for Russia, if Russia does more military cooperation with Iran than more sanctions will come on Russia. I think the Iranians will turn to China for military cooperation, China is one country that the US cannot sanction without hurting itself. Iran needs about $15-$20 billion in arms and I think 90% of that money goes to China.
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    Re: Russian Foreign Policy in the Middle East

    Post  GarryB on Fri May 11, 2018 4:10 am

    Russia is in a position where it actually benefits from being pushed away by the US, and by the look of it the EU is not going to tear up the nuclear deal with Iran, so how can the US sanction Russia and not the EU and China?

    Sorry... my mistake... why cloud the situation with common sense. of course the US can sanction Russia and not the EU or China...

    The point is that there is more potential for trade between Iran and Russia than there is between Russia and the US, and a more stable future between Iran and Russia, so why would Russia waste time with the US?

    Of course perhaps this was the plan all along... the current setup means Iran is tied to no nuke weapons with the remaining agreement with everyone except the US, but the US gets to put its sanctions in place again... presumably locking up all the Iranian money they are pinching, and restricting the Iranian economy, but getting Iran to agree to the other members of the pact that they will not develop nuclear weapons...

    In such a situation I would say the better option for Iran is to demand a new agreement, because they are keeping their end of the bargain but with the US out the other side of the bargain is not the same...

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