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    Russian-Israel relations and the Middle East

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    Post  Werewolf Mon Jun 23, 2014 6:06 pm

    Democrap or Reptilian, they both are the same, they make promises that is what they are good in but still follow neocon liberalism BS that is endangering american interests and especially endangering everyone else, except Israel.
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    Post  par far Mon Dec 08, 2014 6:45 pm

    With the on going Syrian conflict, it has really driven a hedge between Russia and Israel relations. And now Russia saying that "mossad is training ISIL terriosts" and Asking why israelis bombed syria just recently. How will this affect Russian israeli relations?
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    Post  Werewolf Tue Dec 09, 2014 1:04 am

    Screw israel, it is an open secret that they are attacking since decades their neighbouring countries with terrorist attacks or with US help, they seek regional power which they can not have without US and NATO countries fighting wars for them. Russia knows this all along that Israel is main terrorist in Middle East that fights wars against independent government like Lybia,Syria and Iran. The problem are the zionazis and jew sympathizers in Russia that are forming the 5th column and giving russian money to Israel and trying to play a retarded game of Pseudo Friendship which they force upon russia despite Israel is a perennial threat to russia and russians due its politics and sect believes.
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    Post  GarryB Tue Dec 09, 2014 4:36 am

    I think you mean a wedge between Russia and Israel.

    They have never been best buddies... the UAVs the Russians bought and licence produced were obsolete models with the latest models not for sale.

    Otherwise there has not been that much cooperation between them...
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    Post  par far Mon Dec 22, 2014 10:30 pm

    What do you make of this? I don't know if it is just proganda or something else.

    http://www.ibtimes.co.in/russia-plans-war-israel-moscow-push-hezbollah-assad-regime-into-direct-confrontation-617923
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    Post  Zivo Mon Dec 22, 2014 11:00 pm

    The official who spoke on condition of anonymity told the WND...  Rolling Eyes

    It sounds like BS. Russia would benefit more by reconstructing Syria and Iraq, defeating ISIS, and building up the region into one coherent alliance. Then they can deal with Saudi Arabia and Israel.


    There's more appropriate sections of the forum to post this.
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    Post  George1 Tue Dec 23, 2014 2:19 am

    i think this thread belongs to middle east section Smile
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    Post  GarryB Tue Dec 23, 2014 6:13 am

    It is not really military related as such so I have moved it to the international politics section.

    Personally... without having read the article, I think it is just another western conspiracy theory about Putin... make him appear a puppet master and people might not notice all the strings lead to washington.
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    Post  max steel Sat Jun 06, 2015 11:20 am

    Russia, Israel to Jointly Develop Onboard Electronics for MS-21 Aircraft




    Russia’s KRET Concern and the Israeli defense company Elbit Systems Ltd will cooperate to develop the onboard electronic systems for the all-new Russian MS-21 (Yak-242) medium-range aircraft, the KRET press-office told RIA Novosti.
    Elbit Systems is Israel's largest private defense contractor and has designed and modernized a wide range of weapons and military equipment, including UAVs, avionics, radio-radar systems, and artillery and missile guidance systems.


    beware russia now russian airlines can be targeted by zions

    http://sputniknews.com/business/20150606/1023016241.html
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Sat Jun 06, 2015 9:25 pm

    max steel wrote: Russia, Israel to Jointly Develop Onboard Electronics for MS-21 Aircraft

         
     


    Russia’s KRET Concern and the Israeli defense company Elbit Systems Ltd will cooperate to develop the onboard electronic systems for the all-new Russian MS-21 (Yak-242) medium-range aircraft, the KRET press-office told RIA Novosti.
    Elbit Systems is Israel's largest private defense contractor and has designed and modernized a wide range of weapons and military equipment, including UAVs, avionics, radio-radar systems, and artillery and missile guidance systems.


     beware russia now russian airlines can be targeted by zions

    http://sputniknews.com/business/20150606/1023016241.html

    I'm almost certain that the targeted market for this isn't Russia, but most likely India.
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    Post  max steel Sat Jun 06, 2015 9:38 pm

    Lol mag you want us indians to die for zions ? Btw indian airliners dont use russian planes . Mostly use Boeing , Airbus Sharklet and  Bombardier . Only Spicejet uses Bombardier rest use boeing or airbus . No russian sukhoi planes .
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    Post  sepheronx Sat Jun 06, 2015 9:42 pm

    max steel wrote:Lol mag you want us indians to die for zions ? Btw indian airliners dont use russian planes . Mostly use Boeing , Airbus Sharklet and  Bombardier . Only Spicejet uses Bombardier rest use boeing or airbus . No russian sukhoi planes .

    Not yet. Don't forget there were talks for it, and MS-21 is probably a direct competitor to SSJ-100 with rumors of India's interest in it. So that would indicate that MS-21 could be sold in India in future. I believe it was either MS-21 or SSJ-100 that they were even offering partial tech transfer and manufacturing in India. If they pulled this, they would essentially obtain the Indian market for it.
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    Post  max steel Sat Jun 06, 2015 9:51 pm

    I have never flown in a MS or  SSJ but i was satisfied with boeing and airbus sharklets . sharklet is fuel efficient civilian plane
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    Post  George1 Sat Sep 19, 2015 2:06 am


    Putin, Netanyahu to discuss Middle East situation — Kremlin

    Netanyahu’s office announced on Thursday the prime minister’s plans to visit Moscow next week to discuss with Putin "the deployment of Russian forces in Syria"

    SOCHI, September 18. /TASS/. Russian President Vladimir Putin will discuss with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu the situation in the Middle East next week, Kremlin aide Yuri Ushakov said on Friday.

    "This will be a businesslike sincere conversation of the two leaders," he told TASS.

    Ushakov said Putin and Netanyahu "meet quite often and have telephone conversations."

    Netanyahu’s office announced on Thursday the prime minister’s plans to visit Moscow next week to discuss with Putin "the deployment of Russian forces in Syria."

    Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov told journalists earlier on Friday that Russia will consider Syria’s request to send troops if Damascus asks for it, but it is hard to talk about hypothetically.

    Peskov also said that Turkish and Palestinian leaders Recep Tayyip Erdogan and Mahmoud Abbas could visit Moscow next week.
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    Post  George1 Thu Sep 24, 2015 1:49 pm

    Russia, Israel agree coordination of joint actions regarding Syria

    Certain agreements at the meeting of Putin and Netanyahu were achieved, Kremlin spokesman says

    MOSCOW, September 24. /TASS/. Russia and Israel have discussed the coordination of joint actions regarding Syria, Russian presidential spokesman has told reporters.

    "As far as channels of information exchanges and coordination of likely actions are concerned, this theme was discussed. Certain agreements at the meeting with Netanyahu were achieved," he stated.

    As he dwelt on the theme of Israeli media reports to the effect the meeting for the coordination of joint actions in Syria at the defense minister level might take place on October 5, he remarked that "the group’s meeting is a theme that concerns the Defence Ministry and all questions regarding the date and the very instance of such a meeting should be addressed there."

    Earlier, the Jerusalem Post said that Israel and Russia will set up a joint work group for coordinating actions regarding Syria.

    "The IDF and Russian military will set up a joint working group to coordinate their Syria-related activities in the aerial, naval, and electromagnetic arenas," the daily quoted a source on Monday.

    The chief of the Israeli army’s General Staff, Gadi Eisenkot, met with his Russian counterpart Valery Gerasimov in Moscow on Monday. Also, Eisenkot was present at Russian President Vladimir Putin’s meeting with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

    According to the Jerusalem Post "afterward, the two sides agreed to set up a joint working group led by the deputy chiefs of staff from each country; the first meeting will occur in two weeks, and the location will be decided in the coming days."

    After the talks Netanyahu told Israeli media in a telephone interview that Israel and Russia had agreed to establish a coordination mechanism to prevent ‘misunderstandings, clashes’ between their forces in Syria.
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    Post  George1 Thu Mar 03, 2016 3:58 am

    Israel understands Russia’s actions in Syria — ambassador

    Israeli Ambassador to Russia Zvi Heifetz noted the importance of preventing "the possibility that Iran will sit on the Golan Heights"

    MOSCOW, March 1. /TASS/. Israel understands Russia’s actions in Syria, Israeli Ambassador to Russia Zvi Heifetz has said. According to him, Russia has made a substantial contribution to the ceasefire agreement in this country.

    "We understand Russia’s actions in Syria. However, it is very important for us to eventually prevent the possibility that Iran will sit on the Golan Heights, to prevent the possibility of Iran’s aggression from Syrian territory and to prevent the supplies of weapons to Iran through Syria," he said on Tuesday at a meeting with Federation Council speaker Valentina Matviyenko.

    The diplomat also commended Russia’s contribution to the ceasefire agreement in Syria. "This is a big contribution, and this should be appreciated," he said.


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    Post  JohninMK Sat Apr 16, 2016 12:24 am

    https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/israel-steps-back-from-fresh-uav-deals-with-russia-424269/

    15 April, 2016 BY: Arie Egozi Tel Aviv

    Washington has vetoed any further sales of Israeli-made unmanned air vehicles to Russia.

    For several months Russian companies have contacted Israeli manufacturers in an attempt to reach joint venture agreements. However after checking with the Israeli defence ministry about the potential of formalising any such pact, it became obvious the US administration would be very strongly opposed, and would veto any export license. Further discussions have been halted as a result.

    Moscow has previously purchased 10 Searcher 2 and 30 BirdEye-450 UAVs from Israel Aerospace Industries, with these having been partially assembled in a Russian plant. Some of the air vehicles – mainly of the former model, dubbed "Forpost" in national service – have been used by Russian forces in Syria.

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    Post  kvs Sat Apr 16, 2016 12:46 am

    JohninMK wrote:https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/israel-steps-back-from-fresh-uav-deals-with-russia-424269/

       15 April, 2016 BY: Arie Egozi Tel Aviv

    Washington has vetoed any further sales of Israeli-made unmanned air vehicles to Russia.

    For several months Russian companies have contacted Israeli manufacturers in an attempt to reach joint venture agreements. However after checking with the Israeli defence ministry about the potential of formalising any such pact, it became obvious the US administration would be very strongly opposed, and would veto any export license. Further discussions have been halted as a result.

    Moscow has previously purchased 10 Searcher 2 and 30 BirdEye-450 UAVs from Israel Aerospace Industries, with these having been partially assembled in a Russian plant. Some of the air vehicles – mainly of the former model, dubbed "Forpost" in national service – have been used by Russian forces in Syria.


    Good. More incentive for Russia to get its sh*t together to assemble these toys.

    Russia needs a purge of the monetarist 5th column that sabotages money on serious R&D and science. For example, the Skat project went nowhere
    because of no government money for it. Instead of importing every retarded idea from the west (e.g. monetarism, communism, fascism) and believing
    in it dogmatically, Russia needs to actually look and see what the precious west is doing. The US government spends a lot of taxpayer money on
    subsidizing R&D for corporations. There is no market mechanism to drive innovation. Common accounting practice classifies company R&D activity
    as a loss even though it generates revenue in the future. You can see the same process in the medical industry where the true innovation is funded
    by taxpayer money at universities while corporations blow billions on advertising and repackaging old products. The Russian government is retarded
    enough to believe that Russia defense companies are going to pay for all of the innovation.

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    Post  max steel Fri Apr 22, 2016 2:01 pm

    Russian forces in Syria fired on Israeli military aircraft


    That's what happens when you violate another nation's airspace without permission, especially during a conflict. attack

    Russian forces in Syria have fired at least twice on Israeli military aircraft, prompting Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to seek improved operational coordination with Moscow, Israel's top-selling newspaper said on Friday.

    The unsourced report in Yedioth Ahronoth gave no dates or locations for the incidents nor any indication Israeli planes were hit. Russia mounted its military intervention in Syria in September to shore Damascus up amid a now 5-year-old rebellion.

    Separately, Israel's Channel 10 TV said a Russian warplane approached an Israeli warplane off the Mediterranean coast of Syria last week but that there was no contact between them.

    An Israeli military spokesman declined comment. Netanyahu's office and the Russian embassy in Israel did not immediately respond.

    Israel, which has repeatedly bombed Syria to foil suspected arms handovers to Lebanese Hezbollah guerrillas, was quick to set up an operational hotline with Moscow designed to avoid accidentally trading fire with Russian interventionary forces.

    Visiting Moscow on Thursday, Netanyahu told Russian President Vladimir Putin in televised remarks: "I came here with one main goal - to strengthen the security coordination between us so as to avoid mishaps, misunderstandings and unnecessary confrontations."

    In an apparent allusion to Syria, Putin said: "I think there are understandable reasons for these intensive contacts (with Israel), given the complicated situation in the region."

    According to Yedioth, the reported Russian fire on Israeli planes was first raised with Putin by Israeli President Reuven Rivlin, who visited Moscow on March 15. At the time, Putin responded that he was unaware of the incidents, Yedioth said.
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    Post  Visc Sat Apr 23, 2016 2:24 pm

    Kremlin denies firing on Israeli warplane in Syria

    The Spokesperson for the Kremlin, Dmitry Peskov, issued a statement on Friday, denying that the Russian forces opened fire on an Israeli warplane inside Syria.

    When asked about the reports from the Israeli media regarding the alleged confrontation, Peskov responded: “in this case, Israeli press reports are far from reality.”

    The Israeli publication, Yedioth Ahronoth, alleges that the Russian forces have fired at Israeli warplanes on a number of occasions this year; however, these reports are all speculation.

    According to Yedioth Ahronoth, Israeli President Reuven Rivlin brought up these allegations during his visit to Moscow on March 15th.

    At the time, Putin responded that he was unaware of the incidents, Yedioth said.

    Source

    I hope that this is just a statement though!
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    Post  KoTeMoRe Sat Apr 23, 2016 3:21 pm

    Jesus, not this again, how many times have we caught Israeli Yellow Press (pun intended) red handed inventing third dimensions...
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    Post  George1 Mon May 30, 2016 4:14 pm

    Russia will return to Israel tank that Syrian troops captured in 1980

    "Israel at the end of the week received a notice that the Russian President Vladimir Putin agreed to the request by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on the return of the tank, which was handed over to the Syrians of the Russian army, and on display today at the Museum of Armored Forces," - said in a press statement Netanyahu service.

    is this just a matter of "moral satisfaction" for Israel??
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    Post  George1 Fri Jun 10, 2016 1:35 am

    Lavrov favors Russia-Israel ties

    Russia is ready to use its good relations with the Palestinians and the Israelis to end the stalemate in the Middle East settlement, says Lavrov

    MOSCOW, June 9 /TASS/. Russia’s relations with Israel are obtaining a stable positive quality, and the uncompromising struggle against terrorism contributes to the two countries’ rapprochement, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said on Thursday.

    He said that this week’s visit to Moscow of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu had shown that the relations between Russia and Israel were obtaining a stable new positive quality.

    "In addition to mutually deep affection of our peoples for each other and apart from mutually-beneficial interaction; the presence of economic and investment projects, a very close vision of the region’s problems and the realization, above all, of the need to wage uncompromising struggle against terrorism without any double standards makes our relations even closer," Lavrov stressed.

    "We are convinced that the Palestinian-Israeli settlement and the Arab-Israeli conflict in a broader sense would certainly help preventing young people in Arab countries to fall an easy prey to recruiters from the terrorist international," the Russian foreign minister stressed.

    He added that Russia was ready to use its good relations with the Palestinians and the Israelis to end the stalemate in the Middle East settlement but it will do that exclusively within the framework of the "quartet" of Middle East peace brokers.

    "Russia has trustful and very good relations with the Palestinians and the Israelis. We are ready to be maximum active in using this comparative advantage," Lavrov said.

    "As for who is and can be the main broker in the Palestinian-Israeli settlement, the ‘quartet’ comprising Russia, the United States, the European Union and the United Nations," the Russian foreign minister said.

    "Russia has trustful and very good relations with the Palestinians and the Israelis. We are ready to be maximum active in using this comparative advantage," Lavrov said.

    He added that Moscow would promote close interaction between the "quartet" and the League of Arab States (LAS), the author of the Arab peace initiative, which is extremely important for joint efforts.


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    Post  George1 Tue Oct 04, 2016 9:33 am

    Russian MP says Moscow may push antiterrorist war in Middle East to end

    A Russian lawmaker says after the US decision to suspend contacts on Syria, Russia can take the issue into own hands and push the antiterrorist war to an end

    MOSCOW, October 4. /TASS/. Russia may push the antiterrorist war in the Middle East through to an end after the latest informational provocations and official statements from the U.S., First Deputy Speaker of the State Duma, Ivan Melnikov told TASS on Monday.

    "After the recent informational provocations and official statements from the U.S. we can untie our own hands and push the antiterrorist war in the Middle East through to an end," said Melnikov, who is one of the top decision-makers in the Communist Party of the Russian Federation (CPRF). He voiced the confidence this would meet the interests of Russia, Europe and the rationally thinking Americans in an equal measure.

    "Otherwise this was spread much broader than today," he said.

    Melnikov recalled that the military operation of the Russian Aerospace Force against the terrorist organization had been very efficacious.

    "We suspended it and took up the peace process quite conscientiously, as we expected mutual understanding with the so-called allies in struggle with terrorism," he said.

    "Yet time has shown the U.S. is playing a double game as regards Russia," Melnikov said. "To suit its interest, the U.S. supports directly or indirectly the forces that seed destruction, bloodshed and chaos. It wants to protect from destruction the big numbers of terrorists and keep them up."

    All of this has become very apparent now, he said.

    Earlier on Monday, the chief of the U.S. Department of State press service, John Kirby, said the U.S. was suspending the use of bilateral channels with Russia that had been established to help serve the ceasefire in Syria.

    He also said the U.S. was revoking the personnel that was supposed to take up in the setting-up of a join executive center.


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    Post  George1 Mon Oct 17, 2016 12:48 am

    This is a CIA old report from 80s about USSR's goals in Middle East and its relations with various states.
    Although its from a foreign perspective it is interesting to compare the background of USSR/Russia relations with M.East states from the past to present.

    https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/DOC_0000499549.pdf

    Russian policy defines 3 areas

    1. Middle East the non-arab countries of Iran and Turkey
    2. Near East the countries of Levant, Iraq, Egypt and Arabian Peninsula and
    3. North Afircan countries of Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia and Libya

    Soviet Policy goals were:
    1. Blocking any US-sponsored Arab-Israeli peace settlement that leaves Moscow out and optimally, regaining a voice in the peace process
    2. Unifying the Arabs into a pro-Soviet front ending the isolation of USSR's allied states of Syria, S.Yemen and Libya
    3. Stemming the drift of Algeria and Iraq towards on lesser dependence with Soviet Union and to closer ties with the US
    4. Expanding influence in Egypt and Iran. Two important regional targets
    5. Eroding Turkey's security ties with the United States

    Lets compare that goals then with today's background
    1. Russia is part of Middle East quartet. The group was established in in 2002, as a result of the escalating conflict in the Middle East.
    2. Russia's allied states today can be considered Syria and Iran after 90s. Libya is lost and Yemen is in unstable situation years now
    3. Algeria and Iraq have made big arms deals with Russia today and have much more dependence for arms on Russia than on US. From the other hand the have close economic relations with USA.
    4. This goal has been almost fully achieved, since Iran is a Russian ally in region and Egypt has moved to closer ties with Moscow last years after General Sisi takeover of power. Economic deals, arms deals, joint military exercises have balanced previous decades of US influence
    5. Turkeys security ties are eroding to US because of Erdogan's policies and not because of Russia'a actions. We will see how this will be evoluted

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