hi garry whats the general view of the upgraded T-72 in terms to western modern systems, as some people have on other forums that its still an old tank and that modern western stuff would still easily destroy them,
The use of the term 'easily' shows ignorance. Several models of T-72 had very heavy armour... they weren't called super dolly partons for nothing.
Adding new ERA along will likely make them invulnerable to most western main gun ammo... does someone still think they are easy to defeat?
The fact of the matter is that the purpose of the upgrade is largely to deal with communication and control as well as the ability to use new longer ammo and the addition of new night and all weather optics.
With these upgrades the only advantage the T-80s had was power to weight ratio, which is pretty good anyway on the T-72s because they are not very heavy.
I argued the fact it was cheaper to upgrade T-72's than to buy newer tanks, and that the upgrades brought them upto a decent standard of a modern tank capability.
With new battle management hardware and software the upgraded vehicles can now practise net centric operations and with the new thermals they will be able to see through smoke and dust and train at night and in bad weather.
Within the next ten years they will move to a next generation of system that will include tanks with the armour of a BMP or less, but also the armata MBT with much better armour.
its makes sense to buy a fully upgraded T-72 than a T-90, of course a T-90 is better but we all cant have the best equipment when a budget has to be considered.
A difficult question.
The upgraded T-90 would certainly be more expensive, but it would also be better protected so even with a limited budget I would still save up for a fleet of all T-90s unless you want thousands of tanks.
Certainly a mixed fleet of upgraded T-72s and T-90s might make sense in the short term... perhaps take some T-80s with a Black Eagle upgrade to begin with and then when they are worn out buy some T-90s (by then they will be cheaper and likely more capable).
(and got the thread back on topic).
A way to invest in the Ukraine would be to get the Russians to apply their black eagle autoloader upgrade to their T-80s and then put a new Ukrainian diesel engine in them to reduce operational costs.
A change of calibre to 120mm would keep NATO compatibility too.