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    Re: The T-80s future in the Russian Army

    Post  GarryB on Sun Oct 05, 2014 9:40 am

    Anything burning in a tank is a signal to get out... by separating the ammo in a turret bustle, you reduce heat and flame and smoke in the crew compartment so it is easier and safer for the crew to get out before the HEAT and HE rounds start exploding.


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    Re: The T-80s future in the Russian Army

    Post  Asf on Mon Oct 06, 2014 1:32 pm

    On the T-64 and T-80 the ammo is stored lying down horizontally under armour plate but the propellent stubs are stored vertically

    Both of them are actually stored under the turret, so turret penetrations aren't that dangerous:


    If turret is penetrated and there is an open fire in the crew compartment that means tank have been hit and 2/3 of the crew is already dead or dying. In other cases I don't see how propelland can be ignited. Side hits are dangerous for both T-72 and T-80

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    Re: The T-80s future in the Russian Army

    Post  Werewolf on Mon Oct 06, 2014 9:19 pm

    Asf wrote:
    On the T-64 and T-80 the ammo is stored lying down horizontally under armour plate but the propellent stubs are stored vertically

    Both of them are actually stored under the turret, so turret penetrations aren't that dangerous:


    If turret is penetrated and there is an open fire in the crew compartment that means tank have been hit and 2/3 of the crew is already dead or dying. In other cases I don't see how propelland can be ignited. Side hits are dangerous for both T-72 and T-80

    Turret hits are not dangerous and will most probably harm or kill the crew anyway and side hits are dangerous to every existing tank and every other tank will "pop" like popcorn if you hit the ammunition stored in the hull.

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    Re: The T-80s future in the Russian Army

    Post  George1 on Thu Nov 27, 2014 4:50 pm

    This is a recent video of T-80s training in russian army. It seems the tanks hasnt been withdrawn


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    Re: The T-80s future in the Russian Army

    Post  George1 on Sat Jan 31, 2015 3:30 pm

    This is an old article from August 2014. Some T-80BVs are being overhauled at 61th repair plant despite their withdrawal

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/951444.html




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    Re: The T-80s future in the Russian Army

    Post  George1 on Sat Jan 31, 2015 3:34 pm

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    Re: The T-80s future in the Russian Army

    Post  sepheronx on Sat Jan 31, 2015 4:04 pm

    Well, the T-80's probably fair better than the T-72B and at current, having them in reserve of even in use is not a bad idea. Although, commonality is needed and eventually they will need to get rid of these tanks.

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    Re: The T-80s future in the Russian Army

    Post  Kyo on Sat Jan 31, 2015 7:06 pm

    What about T-80U? Heard they're operational only within a special regiment within Russian Army, apart from Korea.

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    Post  TR1 on Sat Jan 31, 2015 8:48 pm

    Kyo wrote:What about T-80U? Heard they're operational only within a special regiment within Russian Army, apart from Korea.

    Those pics above ARE T-80U, used by the Kantemerovka.

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    Post  Werewolf on Sat Jan 31, 2015 8:50 pm

    I always wondered what is in the small storage boxes on the left turret side where each number is writen on?

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    Post  Pugnax on Sun Feb 01, 2015 1:00 am

    Side penetrations make any current MBT vulnerable.When Nato went into Yugoslavia the Challenger crews were warned that there were WW2 88mm AA guns present and they would go through side armour with or without skirts.

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    Post  Werewolf on Sun Feb 01, 2015 1:02 am

    Pugnax wrote:Side penetrations make any current MBT vulnerable.When Nato went into Yugoslavia the Challenger crews were warned that there were WW2 88mm AA guns present and they would go through side armour with or without skirts.

    Skirts make no difference for such weapons, side armor is as thin as paper especially for any HEAT weapon even for PG-7 warheads with only 290-320mm RHAe, only ERA can decrease or stop such weapons, which most tanks don't have right now in service.

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    Re: The T-80s future in the Russian Army

    Post  Mike E on Sun Feb 01, 2015 1:03 am

    From what I've heard a lot of MBT's have well spaced side armor that amounts to ~400-500 RHAe.

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    Post  Werewolf on Sun Feb 01, 2015 1:13 am

    Mike E wrote:From what I've heard a lot of MBT's have well spaced side armor that amounts to ~400-500 RHAe.

    Of turrets, the hull is as thin as less than 150mm RHAe counting the strength of RHA steel of side hull, the space between sideskirts and hull that also is used as "space armor" and the sideskirts strength and effeciency itself. Even with russian K5 and hull strength which has the biggest protection of all current MBT goes not beyond 350mm RHAe.




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    Re: The T-80s future in the Russian Army

    Post  Mike E on Sun Feb 01, 2015 1:16 am

    Werewolf wrote:
    Mike E wrote:From what I've heard a lot of MBT's have well spaced side armor that amounts to ~400-500 RHAe.

    Of turrets, the hull is as thin as less than 150mm RHAe counting the strength of RHA steel of side hull, the space between sideskirts and hull that also is used as "space armor" and the sideskirts strength and effeciency itself. Even with russian K5 and hull strength which has the biggest protection of all current MBT goes not beyond 350mm RHAe.



    Well then... I heard that the Leo 2 had 500 RHAe side armor but they must of been simple fanboys.

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    Post  TR1 on Sun Feb 01, 2015 1:24 am

    Mike E wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:
    Mike E wrote:From what I've heard a lot of MBT's have well spaced side armor that amounts to ~400-500 RHAe.

    Of turrets, the hull is as thin as less than 150mm RHAe counting the strength of RHA steel of side hull, the space between sideskirts and hull that also is used as "space armor" and the sideskirts strength and effeciency itself. Even with russian K5 and hull strength which has the biggest protection of all current MBT goes not beyond 350mm RHAe.



    Well then... I heard that the Leo 2 had 500 RHAe side armor but they must of been simple fanboys.

    Not from the side lol.

    Maybe with skirts + at an angle: that is the round comes from at a large angle relative to the side.

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    Re: The T-80s future in the Russian Army

    Post  Werewolf on Sun Feb 01, 2015 1:29 am

    Well then... I heard that the Leo 2 had 500 RHAe side armor but they must of been simple fanboys.

    Not from the side lol.

    Maybe with skirts + at an angle: that is the round comes from at a large angle relative to the side.

    Well like on all tanks the forward part of the side hull indeed has higher protection than the rest of the sidehull but it is around only a 1/5th probably even less towads 1/3th of the fuselage that has some better protection, near tank drivers location, but no where near 500 mm RHAe, that is far to high, especially for tanks like Leo2 that have no ERA standardized.

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    Re: The T-80s future in the Russian Army

    Post  Mike E on Sun Feb 01, 2015 2:08 am

    It was an A7 discussion because supposedly it had upgraded side armor or something like that.

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    Re: The T-80s future in the Russian Army

    Post  TR1 on Sun Feb 01, 2015 2:24 am

    Mike E wrote:It was an A7 discussion because supposedly it had upgraded side armor or something like that.

    If you put on a thick skirt, and the shell comes in at an angle, sure, 500mm effective protection is possible.

    No magic here, just a serious weight+ size penalty.

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    Re: The T-80s future in the Russian Army

    Post  OminousSpudd on Wed Feb 11, 2015 2:15 am



    4th Kantemirovskaya tank division training exercises.

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    Re: The T-80s future in the Russian Army

    Post  eehnie on Fri May 15, 2015 1:39 pm

    I do not see a reason to keep the T-80 in active service, but at same time I do not see a reason to scrappe them. For me it is right for Russia to keep them in the reserve, as first option to send to war.

    Even being in my hand, I would replace the T-72s in the War of Donbas by T-80s, since the firsts proved to be an option for higher level conflicts, and the late has still some damage in its reputation from previous campaigns. Note that I consider not the War in Donbass as a low level war.

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    Re: The T-80s future in the Russian Army

    Post  George1 on Fri May 15, 2015 8:59 pm

    eehnie wrote:I do not see a reason to keep the T-80 in active service, but at same time I do not see a reason to scrappe them. For me it is right for Russia to keep them in the reserve, as first option to send to war.

    Even being in my hand, I would replace the T-72s in the War of Donbas by T-80s, since the firsts proved to be an option for higher level conflicts, and the late has still some damage in its reputation from previous campaigns. Note that I consider not the War in Donbass as a low level war.

    sale them could also be an option

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    Post  d_taddei2 on Thu Oct 29, 2015 1:40 am

    i personally think Russia would be better to keep T-72 in reserve as they have already produced many upgrades for them as well various variants
    i.e Tos-1, BMPT, etc. And then they could sell the T-80 in upgraded form. Countries that currently stock them may want more if the price is right, and other countries looking to replace older tanks would be ideal to approach them yet again if the price was right, it seems pointless in putting all these back into storage when they have about 7-8,000 T-72 in reserve,

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    Re: The T-80s future in the Russian Army

    Post  Mike E on Thu Oct 29, 2015 4:20 am

    There's really not a whole lot that can be done. Only so many of the T-80's Russia has are truly exportible, and a lot of its' support has dwindled. Keeping good condition models in storage and reserve makes sense until they can be scrapped or possibly sold off.

    The problem with the T-80, is logistics. It costs a lot of money to fuel and maintain, and the only countries that would want it, are countries that basically couldn't support it. In fact, those kind of countries are more interesting in the T-72/90.

    In any case, by 2025-2030, Russia's reserves will be made up of hundreds or thousands of T-72B3's, the 100 or so T-90's, and a few left over T-80UE's. Can't wait to see T-14 delivered.

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