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    Re: Russian Strategic Nuclear Warheads: Numbers

    Post  Austin on Tue Jan 17, 2017 7:42 pm

    Summing up the 2016 strategic arms

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2358977.html

    Nearing the end of next year. Briefly about some results.

    As part of the Strategic Missile Forces. It conducted a large planned work. Conducted deployment, setting into service of new complexes. Yarsov has four versions with different letters and numbers - the two are in service, in two trials. In the Sarmat. Occurring problems are solved control, have been successfully test firing. Conducted successful trials throwing Barguzin. Frontier is ready for deployment. Vanguard alive. Unfortunately, there were emergency launches, but it is testing a new, and this is normal. The reasons are eliminated, measures are being taken. One of the tests - the same "mysterious explosion". Conducted a series of exercises and training, improve cooperation with air defense, PDSS and other subcontractors. Special wheeled chassis MZKT-79291 with the wheel formula 12x12 development of "Minsk Wheel Tractor Plant" (MZKT) (c) of "Minsk Wheel Tractor Plant"


    As part of the sailors. Worked through operation of Mace. Work is continuing on its deployment. Makeevtsy this year offered an alternative Bulava - a rocket with mass-dimensional characteristics similar to mace, but with increased power available and devoid of "shortcomings" of the Sineva in the start. It increases production of rockets Caliber plants operate around the clock. The task - ensuring massive naval cruise missiles. Zircon is underway testing until all successfully. The development of two new "minerals" has replaced the zirconium. One - of evolutionary development, the second - the revolutionary.

    The aircraft part. Work on upgrading the existing fleet of vehicles and the production of HSA for him. Created several promising cruise missiles, in addition to the X-101/102. We demonstrate the appearance of the PAK DA, work is underway to purge.

    Large works are in the field of hypersonic. There is a perfection of materials and technologies, as well as aspects of combat employment, the definition of the role and place of hypersonic weapons in weapons system. GEO create patterns of different classes with a ramjet engine, and with the other principles of acceleration.

    The big shift took place this year in terms of "exotic". Created and shown samples of weapons using the EMR, the laser radiation and a number of other principles. Several systems taken into service. Very much has been done in terms of EW - complexes of more than a dozen different applications. Currently, work is underway to assess their effectiveness in the interaction with the covers up their forces and means. Showed a special "interceptor drone." The tests will take place in the field at the beginning of next year.

    Ukrainian state long sought and finally achieved attention to themselves Strategic Forces.

    The United States is similar to trying to attract the attention of the forces and means of ITV. While they did not use against the United States, but the constant baseless accusations "of Russian hacking" might "wake up" and the integral part of our Armed Forces. If we introduced sanctions against us on spurious grounds, and then we can really start to engage in what we are accused.

    In general, the work is carried out intensively, a lot of work, the work of promising and interesting.

    Happy New Year! Peace in the New Year, kindness, intellect, fruitful work, the implementation of the conceived, happiness and health!


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    Summing up the 2016 strategic arms

    Post  Arrow on Tue Jan 17, 2017 9:48 pm

    Makeevtsy this year offered an alternative Bulava - a rocket with mass-dimensional characteristics similar to mace, but with increased power available and devoid of "shortcomings" of the Sineva in the start. It wrote:

    So Russia wants to replace Mace a new SLBM ?
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    Re: Russian Strategic Nuclear Warheads: Numbers

    Post  eehnie on Thu Feb 16, 2017 3:02 pm

    http://russianforces.org/current/

    Current status

    In January 2016 Russia was estimated to have 525 strategic launchers and about 1800 nuclear warheads. In its September 2015 New START data exchange Russia reported 526 deployed launchers with 1648 New START-accountable nuclear warheads.

    The Strategic Rocket Forces were estimated to have 299 operational missile systems that include missiles that can carry 902 warheads. These include 46 R-36M2 (SS-18) missiles, 30 UR-100NUTTH (SS-19) missiles, 72 road-mobile Topol (SS-25) systems, 60 silo-based and 18 road-mobile Topol-M (SS-27) systems, and 73 RS-24 missiles [SS-29]].

    [Strategic Rocket Forces...]

    The Russian strategic fleet includes 10 operational strategic missile submarines with SLBMs, whose missiles can carry 160 missiles with 704 nuclear warheads. Five operational Project 667BDRM submarines are based in the Northern Fleet. These submarines carry 80 R-29RM (SS-N-23) launchers. One Project 955 submarine with 16 Bulava SLBMs on board is also based in the Northern Fleet. The only remaining Pacific Fleet base hosts two 667BDR (Delta III) submarines, which carry 36 R-29R (SS-N-18) missiles and two Project 955 submarines with 32 Bulava SLBMs.

    [Strategic fleet...]

    The Russian strategic aviation consists of 66 bombers that carry an estimated 200 long-range cruise missiles and bombs. The bombers are 11 Tu-160 (Blackjack) and 55 Tu-95MS (Bear H). The bombers can carry various modifications of the Kh-55 (AS-15) and Kh-101 cruise missiles and gravity bombs.

    [Strategic aviation...]

    In November 2015 Russia launched the first satellite of the new-generation early-warning system, EKS. The satellite is currently undergoing tests.

    [Early warning and defense...]

    [January 12, 2016]

    I would expect Russia move their silo-bassed SS-27 to mobile platforms.

    Also I would expect Russia to include armoured cabins for all their mobile platforms. It would help in the scorting and it would mean an important modernization, increasing by the right way the modernization rates on strategic forces.
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    Re: Russian Strategic Nuclear Warheads: Numbers

    Post  GarryB on Fri Feb 17, 2017 3:17 am

    Silos are expensive but generally require a direct hit to defeat.

    Once you have built them they are a rather effective and secure way of having ready to launch missiles.

    A few batteries of SAMs nearby can be used to defend from conventional or first strike attack so they are pretty safe too... they should be able to launch the missiles before any successful attack can take them out.


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    Re: Russian Strategic Nuclear Warheads: Numbers

    Post  eridan on Sat Mar 11, 2017 1:54 pm

    Is there an alternative source to numbers of Russian nuclear arsenal, other than FAS or new START treaty numbers?

    More precisely, is there a source mentioning number of non-deployed ICBM and SLBM, as well as number of non-deployed warheads FOR ICBM and SLBM?

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    Re: Russian Strategic Nuclear Warheads: Numbers

    Post  franco on Sat Mar 11, 2017 3:03 pm

    eridan wrote:Is there an alternative source to numbers of Russian nuclear arsenal, other than FAS or new START treaty numbers?

    More precisely, is there a source mentioning number of non-deployed ICBM and SLBM, as well as number of non-deployed warheads FOR ICBM and SLBM?


    Are you talking about these numbers?


    New START September 2016 numbers

    The U.S. State Department released aggregate New START numbers from the 1 September 2016 data exchange. Russia declared 1796 deployed warheads, 508 deployed launchers, and 847 total launchers. In March 2016 the numbers were 1735, 521, and 856 respectively.

    The U.S. numbers in September 2016 were 1367 warheads, 681 deployed and 848 total launchers (1481, 741, and 878 in March 2016).


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    Re: Russian Strategic Nuclear Warheads: Numbers

    Post  eridan on Sat Mar 11, 2017 3:49 pm

    I am talking about source different from new START treaty. As one can see, those numbers are for deployed missiles and warheads only. FAS does offer some idea about non deployed warheads, but with inadequate detail, as one can't deduce number of ballistic missile warheads from other strategic warheads (warheads to be deployed via strategic bombers).

    Furthermore, there is no info on number of non-active icbm/slbm. Surely there must be some that are stored someplace, even if not used for some years now.
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    Re: Russian Strategic Nuclear Warheads: Numbers

    Post  franco on Sat Mar 11, 2017 4:32 pm

    FAS does offer some idea about non deployed warheads, but with inadequate detail, as one can't deduce number of ballistic missile warheads from other strategic warheads (warheads to be deployed via strategic bombers).
    I don't know of any and the FAS is pretty much the only group offering detailed estimates. That treaty nor any other doesn't requires the total number of nuclear warheads to be released and the countries involved don't seem to be interested in sharing.  

    Furthermore, there is no info on number of non-active icbm/slbm. Surely there must be some that are stored someplace, even if not used for some years now.
    That information is released with the Start figures in the "508 deployed launchers, and 847 total launchers".

    NOTES:
    - For the purpose of the START treaty, an active strategic bomber counts as one deployed launcher and one deployed warhead. One in reserve would count as one total launcher and 0 deployed warheads.
    - Apparently another particularity is the SS19 has to be kept unfueled and unarmed due to the volatility of it's fuel. So they would be counted in with the total launchers but not deployed launchers and with 0 deployed warheads. Or so I have read.
    - Another rumor which may have some credibility is that a mobile Yars may carry only 3 warheads as opposed to the silo Yars carrying 4 warheads.

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    Re: Russian Strategic Nuclear Warheads: Numbers

    Post  eridan on Sun Mar 12, 2017 12:31 am

    Thanks for pointing out the 847 total launchers. Somehow i forgot about that figure. But on second thought, 847 minus 508 deployed launchers should mean 340 more are in storage of some sort.

    Question remains whether bombers are included in the 508 figure. Logic would suggest yes, due to definition of new START treaty and how it handles bombers. So, 508 deployed minus 70 or so bombers would mean around 440 deployed icbm and slbm.

    Now, START doesn't go into details on those but FAS does guesstimate their numbers. Their figures don't mesh with START though. They say 316 ICBM and 176 SLBM (alongside 68 bombers). That's 482 without bombers or 550 with bombers.

    Since FAS does only guesstimate though, and for some reason they guesstimated the number of deployed slbm simply as number of total subs times number of missiles per sub. That's almost certainly not a good guesstimate, as all other slbm users have less missiles than total number of sub silos due to fact that it's impossible to have all ssbn operational at once.

    So it does seem plausible to me that deployed slbm number is less than 176. If 508 total figure is used, then 316 icbm and 68 bombers would yield some 124 slbm deployed. Which seems like a reasonable figure, little over two thirds of total fleet potential.

    And then, out of remaining undeployed 340 or so launcher missiles, great majority (almost 300?) should then be old ICBMs.
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    Re: Russian Strategic Nuclear Warheads: Numbers

    Post  franco on Sun Mar 12, 2017 1:23 am

    This is the Russian site if you are not familiar. His numbers don't jive either but explains his breakdown.

    http://russianforces.org/

    IMO the active bomber total is high, probably no more then 50 or so.
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    Re: Russian Strategic Nuclear Warheads: Numbers

    Post  GarryB on Sun Mar 12, 2017 3:10 am

    - Apparently another particularity is the SS19 has to be kept unfueled and unarmed due to the volatility of it's fuel. So they would be counted in with the total launchers but not deployed launchers and with 0 deployed warheads.

    Where did this silly information come from?

    The stilletto has a storage period of something like 20 odd years... are you trying to suggest they kept them with no fuel and no warhead on board and fuelled and armed them before launch...

    How could they even do that in a missile launch silo?

    The only Russian missiles I know of that require fuelling before use are the Kh-22M anti ship missiles, and space launch vehicles with cryogenic fuels that cannot be stored in the missile.

    Amusing for you to suggest that a missile in service at one time in the hundreds would need to be fuelled and armed before it could be launched... that is just crazy... only the first Soviet ICBMs had that problem with their cryogenic components like the R-7.


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    Re: Russian Strategic Nuclear Warheads: Numbers

    Post  franco on Sun Mar 12, 2017 3:22 am

    GarryB wrote:
    - Apparently another particularity is the SS19 has to be kept unfueled and unarmed due to the volatility of it's fuel. So they would be counted in with the total launchers but not deployed launchers and with 0 deployed warheads.

    Where did this silly information come from?

    The stilletto has a storage period of something like 20 odd years... are you trying to suggest they kept them with no fuel and no warhead on board and fuelled and armed them before launch...

    How could they even do that in a missile launch silo?

    The only Russian missiles I know of that require fuelling before use are the Kh-22M anti ship missiles, and space launch vehicles with cryogenic fuels that cannot be stored in the missile.

    Amusing for you to suggest that a missile in service at one time in the hundreds would need to be fuelled and armed before it could be launched... that is just crazy... only the first Soviet ICBMs had that problem with their cryogenic components like the R-7.

    Bro, I just report it. Don't make it up!

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    Re: Russian Strategic Nuclear Warheads: Numbers

    Post  eridan on Sun Mar 12, 2017 1:54 pm

    Thanks for the link, Franco!

    Just to be sure, current active SSBN force features 3 Boreys (It used to be spelled Borei when romanized. What happened?), 6 Delta IVs and 3 Delta III?

    As for fueling missiles like Stiletto, as far as I know *ALL* liquid fueled ICBM are normally kept inside silos without fuel. They get fueled only for exercise and when there's perception of immediate threat. Once fueled, that fuel degrades over time so they can't be held in such a prepared mode for long. AFAIK, initially in the cold war that used to be just days, but by the end of cold war liquid fueled missiles could be kept fueled inside silos for a few weeks and still perform within allowable limits.
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    Re: Russian Strategic Nuclear Warheads: Numbers

    Post  franco on Sun Mar 12, 2017 2:26 pm

    Active would be 3 Borei, 5 Delta IV's and 2 Delta III's. One each Delta III and IV are in refit (dry dock) plus the Typhoon (used as a test vessel) could be rearmed, so those would count against the total launchers.
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    Re: Russian Strategic Nuclear Warheads: Numbers

    Post  Isos on Sun Mar 12, 2017 7:00 pm

    franco wrote:Active would be 3 Borei, 5 Delta IV's and 2 Delta III's. One each Delta III and IV are in refit (dry dock) plus the Typhoon (used as a test vessel) could be rearmed, so those would count against the total launchers.

    The last Typhoon was used for the testing of bulava. Now they have Boreis for operting and testing this missile. Si it is no more in service and will probably finish like the others ? Moreover, its crew is probably the best of the russian navy, they will be send on the next Borei-M and wont train another for operatin the typhoon.
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    Re: Russian Strategic Nuclear Warheads: Numbers

    Post  max steel on Sun Mar 12, 2017 8:35 pm

    franco wrote:

    Bro, I just report it. Don't make it up!



    Don't take Pavel Podvig words seriously.
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    Re: Russian Strategic Nuclear Warheads: Numbers

    Post  franco on Sun Mar 12, 2017 11:57 pm

    max steel wrote:
    franco wrote:

    Bro, I just report it. Don't make it up!



    Don't take Pavel Podvig words seriously.

    I have also seen it from other sources too. Sometimes it is unfueled but armed, sometimes fueled but unarmed. Sometimes unfueled and unarmed. So I actually don't know, but am suspicious that they are both fueled and armed after all that. And back to my original statement, I used the "apparently" due to this. Very Happy
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    Re: Russian Strategic Nuclear Warheads: Numbers

    Post  GarryB on Mon Mar 13, 2017 8:04 am

    Well that is just bollocks.

    They are called storable liquid fuels for a reason.

    More importantly if they can't be stored inside the rockets where do they store the fuel and why can they store the fuel long term outside the missiles and not inside the missiles?

    More importantly bus motors are all liquid fuelled so they can be turned on and off and throttled when needed... so even solid fuelled missiles will have at least one liquid stage... these are usually sealed units on most ICBMs that have them... so why can Bus stage liquid propellent motors store liquid fuels and other liquid propellent motors need to be fuelled at the last moment.

    More importantly of the 4-5 personnel controlling an ICBM silo field... which one puts warheads on each missile and which one pumps the fuel and how many days do you think that would take to prepare an SS-19 field for launch.

    The R-7 took 24 hours to prepare for launch but that was because it used cryogenic components and at the time 24 hours was plenty of time to get revenge...

    Missiles developed since then are rather faster.

    Anyway... to quote Sean (SOC):

    In order to overcome the weaknesses of the R-7, namely the limited alert time and the poor survivability of a weapon exposed on a fixed launch pad, the Soviet Union began to explore both storable fuels and silo basing. In 1956 Yangel was given the order to begin design work on an ICBM using storable liquid fuel.

    From: http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-RVSN-Analysis.html

    Or here:
    The most common hypergolic fuels, hydrazine, monomethylhydrazine and unsymmetrical dimethylhydrazine, and oxidizer, nitrogen tetroxide, are all liquid at ordinary temperatures and pressures. They are therefore sometimes called storable liquid propellants. They are suitable for use in spacecraft missions lasting many years. The cryogenity of liquid hydrogen and liquid oxygen limits their practical use to space launch vehicles where they need to be stored only briefly.

    Can be stored for years...


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    Re: Russian Strategic Nuclear Warheads: Numbers

    Post  franco on Mon Mar 13, 2017 9:20 pm

    I'm not sure what one should use as a rebuttal to bollocks considering I had to look it up. And what exactly trumps a bollocks? Just because I'm curious. confused
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    Re: Russian Strategic Nuclear Warheads: Numbers

    Post  GarryB on Mon Mar 13, 2017 11:41 pm

    Very simply an SLBM attack on Soviet ICBM fields would have given them approximately 5 minutes to launch... which includes time to actually make the decision to launch a full retaliation strike, or in the case of an error to do nothing... there would be no time to mount warheads or pump fuel into missiles...

    Stilleto was considered one of their best missiles are you trying to say it was useless?

    That is why I am suggesting your information is bollocks... or if you prefer... bullshit.


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    Re: Russian Strategic Nuclear Warheads: Numbers

    Post  franco on Tue Mar 14, 2017 12:19 am

    Very Happy

    I actually don't know, just reporting what I have read. If I had read it from just from one source, wouldn't have thought twice about it but now am suspicious. I do agree that it doesn't make a lot of sense to have a system that cannot be put into use in a very short time.

    By the way, the correct answer to what trumps a bollock.... is a Donald Rolling Eyes


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    Re: Russian Strategic Nuclear Warheads: Numbers

    Post  George1 on Mon Apr 03, 2017 11:07 pm

    New START March 2017 numbers

    https://www.state.gov/t/avc/newstart/269406.htm


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