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    Re: 2S35 Koalitsiya-SV 152mm

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Wed Feb 19, 2014 9:23 pm

    TR1 wrote:Gur Khan claims it will be on T-90 chassis.

    Guess we will see soon.

    I really want to see more detail of that Kamaz reloading truck.

    T-90 chassis? I thought the T-90 was on a T-72 chassis? May'be there'll be a technology demonstrator version for arms trade shows where the top half will be the Coalition that you would find on a Armata chassis, and the bottom half will be on a T-72 chassis until the Armata chassis is ready for display. May'be the Coalition on a T-72 chassis will be an export model for poorer countries.
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    Re: 2S35 Koalitsiya-SV 152mm

    Post  Zivo on Wed Feb 19, 2014 9:51 pm

    There was a video some time ago, it's either in the news thread or the video thread here. Anyways, it highlighted some new equipment, one of which was Coalition's completed turret.

    We know for a fact there's at least one functioning Coalition turret, yet we don't know how far along the Armata chassis is. IIRC, there's supposed to be three Armata's which were built for testing. Since Coalition is digital, any chassis could be used for testing and the turret could be controlled using a laptop outside the vehicle. With a limited amount of Armata's available, it doesn't make sense to waste them when a T-90 chassis could do the same for the testing phase.

    It's likely that at least one of the completed Armatas will have to undergo endurance testing, so that only leaves two hulls for the developers of the subsystems to play around with.
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    Re: 2S35 Koalitsiya-SV 152mm

    Post  TR1 on Wed Feb 19, 2014 10:49 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    TR1 wrote:Gur Khan claims it will be on T-90 chassis.

    Guess we will see soon.

    I really want to see more detail of that Kamaz reloading truck.

    T-90 chassis? I thought the T-90 was on a T-72 chassis? May'be there'll be a technology demonstrator version for arms trade shows where the top half will be the Coalition that you would find on a Armata chassis, and the bottom half will be on a T-72 chassis until the Armata chassis is ready for display. May'be the Coalition on a T-72 chassis will be an export model for poorer countries.

    T-90 hull is a close T-72 offshoot, but the chassis has many differences. Even in dimensions.
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    Re: 2S35 Koalitsiya-SV 152mm

    Post  GarryB on Thu Feb 20, 2014 6:15 am

    Gur Khan claims it will be on T-90 chassis.

    Guess we will see soon.

    May'be the Coalition on a T-72 chassis will be an export model for poorer countries.

    I agree with Zivo... they might test the turret on a T-90 chassis but the Koalition turret is unmanned so operationally it would need an Armata chassis or a custom designed wheeled platform that has room for the entire crew outside the turret to operate the vehicle.

    For export the wheeled version would probably be much cheaper and more mobile on roads, which would probably make it more popular for export.


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    Re: 2S35 Koalitsiya-SV 152mm

    Post  flamming_python on Thu Feb 20, 2014 8:21 am

    How are they gonna fit this hulk of a turret onto the Kurganets-25 that's my question.
    Will be top-heavy as fk.

    And for the wheeled brigades? I'm guessing no unified chassis so they're going to use the Kamaz-mounted version of it.
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    Re: 2S35 Koalitsiya-SV 152mm

    Post  GarryB on Thu Feb 20, 2014 9:47 am

    Perhaps with a Kurganets model they might mount the gun externally on the rear like the 2S9 and 2S5?

    Or perhaps the wheeled models are for the two medium brigade types and the light brigade will make do with 120mm gun/mortars.

    It would also be possible that the tube and rocket artillery are taken out of the brigade structure and added or removed when needed as separate units when required... a bit like an old machine gun platoon.

    Remember the wheeled units will likely form the same basis (ie chassis, engine, gears, transmission, etc) with a new truck family too and that truck family could be used with those wheeled brigades without adding too much to the brigades logistic tail.


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    Re: 2S35 Koalitsiya-SV 152mm

    Post  collegeboy16 on Thu Feb 20, 2014 11:16 am

    Maybe they could modify the turret like the archer turret. Remove a lot of the extra magazines in the bustle, reduce the turret ring to a minimum etc.
    Edit: tho the hull has been discussed before- imo this is the best design for armata chassis. The front looks very Abrams-ish
    tho its still massively thicker and protrudes into a nice vertical slab more like turret armor.
    Also I see thick track sponsons- possibly precluding use of composite armor there too. It doesnt look like it covers the lower part of the
    hull but if you think about it the crew are sitting on reclining chairs that would prolly be raised along with the hull floor too for mine protection.
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    Coalition on the Armata chassis.

    Post  Zivo on Thu Feb 20, 2014 8:55 pm

    The design is very close to Object 195. The lineage is apparent.



    Keep in  mind that the MBT, BMPT, etc. will also have add on armor kits. ERA on the front and sides, heavier skirts, the works.
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    Re: 2S35 Koalitsiya-SV 152mm

    Post  Viktor on Tue Jun 17, 2014 4:03 pm

    Lots of great news.

    Russia’s state-of-the-art heavy armaments (the Armata tank platform and the Koalitsiya (Coalition) self-propelled artillery system) will be presented to the public for the first time at the Victory Day Parade in Moscow on May 9, 2015


    Work to build first batches of promising heavy combat platforms are proceeding ahead of schedule

    Siyenko said all characteristics of new systems outlined in the Russian Defense Ministry’s requirement specification have been confirmed during tests

    The tank will have a remote-controlled gun (unmanned turret) with all-digital control, and the crew will operate it from an isolated armored capsule.
    The self-propelled artillery system 2S35 Koalitsiya-SV (Coalition) has two 152-mm barrels; the export modification will have a 155-mm caliber barrel

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    Re: 2S35 Koalitsiya-SV 152mm

    Post  Asf on Tue Jun 17, 2014 4:33 pm

    The self-propelled artillery system 2S35 Koalitsiya-SV (Coalition) has two 152-mm barrels
    Strange. They seemed to reject twin-barrel version
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    Re: 2S35 Koalitsiya-SV 152mm

    Post  Viktor on Tue Jun 17, 2014 4:44 pm

    Asf wrote:
    The self-propelled artillery system 2S35 Koalitsiya-SV (Coalition) has two 152-mm barrels
    Strange. They seemed to reject twin-barrel version

    Could be journalist typo or could be that one gun version is meant for export will see, but Im hoping to see two barrels Coalition -SV
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    Re: 2S35 Koalitsiya-SV 152mm

    Post  collegeboy16 on Tue Jun 17, 2014 4:52 pm

    Asf wrote:Strange. They seemed to reject twin-barrel version
    twin barrels is awesome- you halve the vehicles needed for a barrage or you deliver twice the fun in a barrage.

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    Re: 2S35 Koalitsiya-SV 152mm

    Post  Asf on Tue Jun 17, 2014 5:20 pm

    twin barrels is awesome- you halve the vehicles needed for a barrage or you deliver twice the fun in a barrage.
    It's like a gillette blades - they will upgrade a gun with additional barrel each year  Smile 
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    Re: 2S35 Koalitsiya-SV 152mm

    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Tue Jun 17, 2014 10:58 pm

    Asf wrote:
    The self-propelled artillery system 2S35 Koalitsiya-SV (Coalition) has two 152-mm barrels
    Strange. They seemed to reject twin-barrel version

    I knew some forums had rejected it, but I never saw anything to the effect that they had.

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    Re: 2S35 Koalitsiya-SV 152mm

    Post  Asf on Wed Jun 18, 2014 1:32 pm

    I knew some forums had rejected it, but I never saw anything to the effect that they had.
    I know only rumors too
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    2S35 Koalitsiya-SV (Coalition) has two 152-mm barrels

    Post  GarryB on Thu Jun 19, 2014 1:44 am

    The information I remember reading suggested they reduced the number of guns to one to make the turret slightly smaller so it would fit on air transport.

    Both guns in official line drawings had twin belt feed ammo supplies... presumably to allow different types of ammo to be fired at the flick of a switch.

    Note the Koalition turret is unmanned too.

    The dual feed picture is from the naval version which was developed together with the army version to reduce development costs... an excellent development on its own.

    I knew some forums had rejected it, but I never saw anything to the effect that they had.

    The fact that MSTA is a good gun already is likely a part of the problem, but joint development with the Navy suggests lots of investment and likely new technology went into these vehicles... I doubt they would cancel it outright unless it was a real dog.


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    Re: 2S35 Koalitsiya-SV 152mm

    Post  akd on Fri Aug 22, 2014 10:56 pm

    Said to be photo of 2S35 Koalitsiya-SV

    http://sd.uploads.ru/H29yn.jpg

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    Re: 2S35 Koalitsiya-SV 152mm

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    Re: 2S35 Koalitsiya-SV 152mm

    Post  Zivo on Sat Aug 23, 2014 9:40 pm

    akd wrote:Said to be photo of 2S35 Koalitsiya-SV

    http://sd.uploads.ru/H29yn.jpg

    Looks like Koalition to me.

    It's kind of a strange framed photograph to have hanging up somewhere, due to the odd off-center position of the subject. The obvious censorship by cropping disappoints me.  Neutral
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    Re: 2S35 Koalitsiya-SV 152mm

    Post  Werewolf on Sat Aug 23, 2014 9:46 pm

    Zivo wrote:
    akd wrote:Said to be photo of 2S35 Koalitsiya-SV

    http://sd.uploads.ru/H29yn.jpg

    Looks like Koalition to me.

    It's kind of a strange framed photograph to have hanging up somewhere, due to the odd off-center position of the subject. The obvious censorship by cropping disappoints me.  Neutral

    That is a Panasonic TV, not a photograph.
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    Re: 2S35 Koalitsiya-SV 152mm

    Post  Zivo on Sat Aug 23, 2014 11:36 pm

    Werewolf wrote:
    Zivo wrote:
    akd wrote:Said to be photo of 2S35 Koalitsiya-SV

    http://sd.uploads.ru/H29yn.jpg

    Looks like Koalition to me.

    It's kind of a strange framed photograph to have hanging up somewhere, due to the odd off-center position of the subject. The obvious censorship by cropping disappoints me.  Neutral

    That is a Panasonic TV, not a photograph.

    The gaudy gold trim threw me off. Russians  Rolling Eyes
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    Any news on the chassis use for Koalition?

    Post  TR1 on Thu Oct 02, 2014 9:09 am

    Any news on the chassis use for Koalition?

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    Re: 2S35 Koalitsiya-SV 152mm

    Post  Asf on Thu Oct 02, 2014 9:17 am

    Any news on the chassis use for Koalition?

    Won't Koalition be on a unified platforms? I thought it isn't a question. Koalition is actually a weapon module, we've only partly involved in one of the chassis design (electrical part of the chassis design).
    Personally, I can't say is it reasonable to put Koatilition on, say, expensive Armata chassis. It is known one of the Koalition variant (for future light and/or medium brigades most likely) will be on Kamaz chassis, for example:


    KAMAZ now is 'unified' platform too as it seems all army trucks tends to be KAMAZ now. There can be cheaper 'Armata' chassis for numerous engineering vehicles, for example, which could be  used for artillery chassis as well.


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    Re: 2S35 Koalitsiya-SV 152mm

    Post  TR1 on Thu Oct 02, 2014 9:42 am

    Yes of course, but so far the glimpses of Koalition have seemed to indicate a modified T-90 chassis.
    Was wondering if there is any movement towards the new chassis being delivered to Burevestnik for modification.


    i think the KAMAZ chassis is a terrible idea personally.


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    Re: 2S35 Koalitsiya-SV 152mm

    Post  Asf on Thu Oct 02, 2014 9:48 am

    a modified T-90 chassis.

    That would broke the idea of unified platforms, imho.


    Was wondering if there is any movement towards the new chassis being delivered to Burevestnik for modification.

    What do you mean? I think made it many times during design process, but we are not envolved in it, as we are side contractors working on initial data given.


    i think the KAMAZ chassis is a terrible idea personally.

    Test will show (or have arleady shown). Kamaz chassis have some benefits, e.g. weight, cost, repairability. It's like a towed gun, which shouldn't be dismounted before firing (reducing preparing time). 'Light' units always did have towed artillery (for example, many BTR-counted motor rifle divisions usually had several battalions of towed 122 mm and 152 mm howizers)

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