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    Re: 2S35 Koalitsiya-SV 152mm

    Post  medo on Sun Apr 21, 2013 9:53 am

    I think Russians were impressed by French Caesar SPH and its strategic transportability. They are lighter than tracked ones and with that better for quick reaction forces and to airlift them on longer distance in shorter time.
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    Re: 2S35 Koalitsiya-SV 152mm

    Post  Regular on Sun Apr 21, 2013 4:41 pm

    Garry mentioned G6.. Just seen the video about it. Fire rate is enormous! What is fire rate of MSTA?
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    Re: 2S35 Koalitsiya-SV 152mm

    Post  Sujoy on Sun Apr 21, 2013 5:31 pm

    Rate of fire is currently pegged at 6-8 rounds per minute.
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    Re: 2S35 Koalitsiya-SV 152mm

    Post  Zivo on Mon Apr 22, 2013 2:21 am

    The Kord RWS on the turret looks compact. I wonder if that will be the standard 12.7mm arrangement.
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    Re: 2S35 Koalitsiya-SV 152mm

    Post  Zivo on Mon May 13, 2013 11:11 pm





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    Re: 2S35 Koalitsiya-SV 152mm

    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Tue May 14, 2013 3:37 pm

    Is this a single gun version of the koalitsia?
    BTW will the armata chassis be able to reach 60-70 km/h offroad like the Leclerc and leopard 2A6 or will it stay the pretty pathetic T-90 speed offroad speed level?

    Also if the gun launched ATGM had fire and forget capability I think that would be a massive improvement.
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    Is this a single gun version of the koalitsia?

    Post  TR1 on Tue May 14, 2013 10:35 pm

    That is Koalitsya yes.

    "BTW will the armata chassis be able to reach 60-70 km/h offroad like the Leclerc and leopard 2A6 or will it stay the pretty pathetic T-90 speed offroad speed level?"

    You just went full retard.
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    Re: 2S35 Koalitsiya-SV 152mm

    Post  AZZKIKR on Thu Oct 31, 2013 7:02 pm

    http://transural.egloos.com/256500

    Came across this, and what appears to be a mock-up of the Koalitsiya on what appears to be a very long chassis, 8 road wheels! Seems fine as it isn't front line though...but does anyone know whether it was shown in the RAE 2013?
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    Re: 2S35 Koalitsiya-SV 152mm

    Post  Zivo on Thu Oct 31, 2013 8:12 pm



    This one? I think it has 7 road wheels.

    It's not 195's hull, the profile of the glacis is wrong. It doesn't really look like KBTM's hull proposal either.
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    Re: 2S35 Koalitsiya-SV 152mm

    Post  TheArmenian on Thu Oct 31, 2013 10:37 pm

    Is the twin barreled Koalitsya project still alive?
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    Re: 2S35 Koalitsiya-SV 152mm

    Post  Zivo on Thu Oct 31, 2013 11:59 pm

    TheArmenian wrote:Is the twin barreled Koalitsya project still alive?
    Not sure. The naval version would make sense as weight isn't a requirement. The Army may keep it, but I think a single barrel version is more likely. That's just my opinion though.
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    Re: 2S35 Koalitsiya-SV 152mm

    Post  GarryB on Fri Nov 01, 2013 2:06 am

    The only reason for the reduction to one gun is to fit in cargo planes.

    By removing one barrel you also remove the dual feed autoloading system associated with that barrel which should make it rather smaller and lighter.

    Such concerns are not relevant to the naval models and indeed the fixed position models or models adapted to coastal defence.

    I know it was a very old question but:

    The Kord RWS on the turret looks compact. I wonder if that will be the standard 12.7mm arrangement.



    That would make sense... it needs to be remotely operated as the turret is unmanned so the chance of someone opening the hatch and loading more ammo is zero, so it needs all its ammo ready to fire, plus some way of clearing jams, in addition to sighting and aiming.


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    Re: 2S35 Koalitsiya-SV 152mm

    Post  SOC on Fri Nov 01, 2013 2:31 am

    Those things related to these things?



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    Re: 2S35 Koalitsiya-SV 152mm

    Post  TR1 on Fri Nov 01, 2013 2:40 am

    Those are early Koalition mock ups, but yes part of the research program.

    Though it sounds like for land use they are going with single barrel.
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    Re: 2S35 Koalitsiya-SV 152mm

    Post  GarryB on Fri Nov 01, 2013 4:27 am



    Naval.



    Top... 2S35.

    Actually looking at the Naval gun it is interesting because the dual feed loads shells on one side and propellent charges on the other unlike the tank autoloaders (125mm) that feed both...


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    Re: 2S35 Koalitsiya-SV 152mm

    Post  AZZKIKR on Fri Nov 01, 2013 4:23 pm

    http://transural.egloos.com/274731

    From this recent post, appears like the 2s35 might have an attached reloading vehicle, like the Swedish bv series?

    http://transural.egloos.com/274403

    Also, mounted prototype on ww2 vintage? O__O
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    Re: 2S35 Koalitsiya-SV 152mm

    Post  GarryB on Sat Nov 02, 2013 8:18 am

    The first link shows only a basic drawing of a support vehicle that looks rather like the support vehicle for the US M109 howitzer... as it is not in the diagram below that shows the vehicle in context of other support vehicles I suspect it is pure speculation.

    I have seen trucks with ammo on board that will most likely be used when sustained fire operations are needed.

    This is the support/logistics vehicle:



    Regarding the chassis for the towed model test I suspect that old WWII 203 mount was probably available for a quick test.

    For short range mobility it would be a very useful base offering excellent short range mobility (they had their own motors and could be driven short distances without vehicle support when needed).



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    Re: 2S35 Koalitsiya-SV 152mm

    Post  AZZKIKR on Sat Nov 02, 2013 2:03 pm

    Well, I meant the 2nd pair of threads though, and in the link one can see what appears to be a gun mantlet rather the a gun shield, as seen from its curvature..so perhaps trying to test the recoil and elevation?
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    Re: 2S35 Koalitsiya-SV 152mm

    Post  GarryB on Sat Nov 02, 2013 10:43 pm

    One of the features of the new guns will be rapidly firing shells with different propellent loads at different angles so that they all arrive on target at once... maximising their effect.

    From an artillery point of view the faster you can get your shells on target the better because in about 10-15 seconds from the first impact most of the enemy forces will have dived for cover and will be much more difficult to kill or injure.

    This means that if you can get 8 rounds to impact the target almost at once from one gun vehicle then a battery can fire and then be on the move... all the shells will arrive almost at once maximising their effect on target but the firing unit will be on the move before any counter battery fire can be directed at them.

    The reloading vehicle would most likely be waiting at the position they intend to move to to have a quick reload before firing and quickly moving off again.


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    Re: 2S35 Koalitsiya-SV 152mm

    Post  Viktor on Sun Dec 08, 2013 5:04 pm

    Interesting new article about Coalition-SV from warfiles.ru Very Happy 


    Russian self-propelled gun of the XXI century "Coalition-SV" will be the best in the world

    - Fundamentally - uninhabited BO, automatic loading, automatic guidance.
    - Some compare the "coalition" with the U.S. "Crusader", in fact, they are very similar? Many similarities in the concept?
    - The concept is similar, the implementation is different. We have done some things differently and more efficiently.
    - At the time of writing we develop missiles with guidance on GLONASS, do you think, will find their place if such weapons in our artillery?
    - Required. We practiced (tested) different types of weapons, systems of correction and guidance. Including - autonomous satellite-guided correction module, mounted on the head instead of conventional munitions fuze combined unit plus satellite radioballistichesky, ammunition homing fingerprinting goals, etc.
    - How important in modern conditions the firing range?
    - Range of fire - not an end in itself. It is important to have a range of real fire, sufficient to solve problems in all types of combat. Artillery brigade-level - it is 25-30 km. That is, given the removal of firing positions from the front edge, SAU should shoot for 40-45 km.
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    Re: 2S35 Koalitsiya-SV 152mm

    Post  Zivo on Wed Feb 19, 2014 8:00 pm



    Coalition on the Armata chassis.
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    Re: 2S35 Koalitsiya-SV 152mm

    Post  TR1 on Wed Feb 19, 2014 9:02 pm

    Gur Khan claims it will be on T-90 chassis.

    Guess we will see soon.

    I really want to see more detail of that Kamaz reloading truck.
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    Re: 2S35 Koalitsiya-SV 152mm

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Wed Feb 19, 2014 9:23 pm

    TR1 wrote:Gur Khan claims it will be on T-90 chassis.

    Guess we will see soon.

    I really want to see more detail of that Kamaz reloading truck.

    T-90 chassis? I thought the T-90 was on a T-72 chassis? May'be there'll be a technology demonstrator version for arms trade shows where the top half will be the Coalition that you would find on a Armata chassis, and the bottom half will be on a T-72 chassis until the Armata chassis is ready for display. May'be the Coalition on a T-72 chassis will be an export model for poorer countries.
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    Re: 2S35 Koalitsiya-SV 152mm

    Post  Zivo on Wed Feb 19, 2014 9:51 pm

    There was a video some time ago, it's either in the news thread or the video thread here. Anyways, it highlighted some new equipment, one of which was Coalition's completed turret.

    We know for a fact there's at least one functioning Coalition turret, yet we don't know how far along the Armata chassis is. IIRC, there's supposed to be three Armata's which were built for testing. Since Coalition is digital, any chassis could be used for testing and the turret could be controlled using a laptop outside the vehicle. With a limited amount of Armata's available, it doesn't make sense to waste them when a T-90 chassis could do the same for the testing phase.

    It's likely that at least one of the completed Armatas will have to undergo endurance testing, so that only leaves two hulls for the developers of the subsystems to play around with.
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    Re: 2S35 Koalitsiya-SV 152mm

    Post  TR1 on Wed Feb 19, 2014 10:49 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    TR1 wrote:Gur Khan claims it will be on T-90 chassis.

    Guess we will see soon.

    I really want to see more detail of that Kamaz reloading truck.

    T-90 chassis? I thought the T-90 was on a T-72 chassis? May'be there'll be a technology demonstrator version for arms trade shows where the top half will be the Coalition that you would find on a Armata chassis, and the bottom half will be on a T-72 chassis until the Armata chassis is ready for display. May'be the Coalition on a T-72 chassis will be an export model for poorer countries.

    T-90 hull is a close T-72 offshoot, but the chassis has many differences. Even in dimensions.

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