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    Militarov

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    Re: 2S35 Koalitsiya-SV 152mm

    Post  Militarov on Fri Dec 08, 2017 4:58 am

    eehnie wrote:And where is the MT-LB (tracked) in your pretty analysys? Embarassed Embarassed

    Medium brigades and Arctic brigades, and possibly as auxilary platform in some other structures.
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    Re: 2S35 Koalitsiya-SV 152mm

    Post  eehnie on Fri Dec 08, 2017 5:01 am

    Militarov wrote:
    eehnie wrote:And where is the MT-LB (tracked) in your pretty analysys? Embarassed Embarassed

    Medium brigades and Arctic brigades, and possibly as auxilary platform in some other structures.

    Medium brigades, lol, do you remember that the MT-LB is ligther than the BTR-70 and the BTR-80? Embarassed Embarassed

    And where are the BMD-1/2 (tracked and lighter still than the MT-LB) in your pretty analysis? Embarassed Embarassed
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    Re: 2S35 Koalitsiya-SV 152mm

    Post  Militarov on Fri Dec 08, 2017 5:09 am

    eehnie wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    eehnie wrote:And where is the MT-LB (tracked) in your pretty analysys? Embarassed Embarassed

    Medium brigades and Arctic brigades, and possibly as auxilary platform in some other structures.

    Medium brigades, lol, do you remember that the MT-LB is ligther than the BTR-70 and the BTR-80? Embarassed Embarassed

    And where are the BMD-1/2 (tracked and lighter still than the MT-LB) in your pretty analysis? Embarassed Embarassed

    BMD-1s are gone. BMD-2s are still in VDV son... not in the Army...

    And you still do not get what light brigade means... lol1
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    Re: 2S35 Koalitsiya-SV 152mm

    Post  eehnie on Fri Dec 08, 2017 5:45 am

    Militarov wrote:
    eehnie wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    eehnie wrote:And where is the MT-LB (tracked) in your pretty analysys? Embarassed Embarassed

    Medium brigades and Arctic brigades, and possibly as auxilary platform in some other structures.

    Medium brigades, lol, do you remember that the MT-LB is ligther than the BTR-70 and the BTR-80? Embarassed Embarassed

    And where are the BMD-1/2 (tracked and lighter still than the MT-LB) in your pretty analysis? Embarassed Embarassed

    BMD-1s are gone. BMD-2s are still in VDV son... not in the Army...

    And you still do not get what light brigade means... lol1

    Ah... your theories are only for the Army... and I would bet are only for the Army of the US. If the MT-LB fits well for the artic is thanks to its light weight plus big contact surface.

    Your pretty theory about "light brigades" and "medium brigades" does not agree with the reality and is not able to include all the cases. This is your problem. In a few words is a shit of theory. Your problems to assume that in the reality there are light tracked brigades are absurd. This is the first thing that you seems to understand not. Embarassed Embarassed

    Second thing that you are not understanding. Talk us about the artillery used today in the light wheeled brigades please, without forget to mention the 2S21 Msta-K Embarassed Embarassed
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    Re: 2S35 Koalitsiya-SV 152mm

    Post  GarryB on Fri Dec 08, 2017 9:25 am

    People... please calm down and lets cut the personal insults.

    The Russian Army is in the process of introducing four new families of vehicles.

    The armata is a heavy tracked vehicle, the Kurganets is a medium tracked vehicle, the boomerang is a medium wheeled vehicle and the Typhoon is a light wheeled vehicle.

    A wheeled artillery platform is highly mobile in places with good roads and would operate much better with a wheeled force than with a tracked force... a wheeled force is not likely to go where wheels are not suitable. A tracked force on the other hand might end up travelling in places where wheels don't work that well... you want your artillery to be mobile.

    This wheeled model of artillery is probably too powerful and heavy to operate with a light wheeled force, but if such a force needs artillery attached to it then wheeled forces would work better than tracked forces would.

    I would suspect however that if a medium force equipped with Boomerangs needed artillery support then I really can't see the enormous turret of a Koalition being fitted onto a Boomerang chassis, so this truck based model would be the ideal second choice.

    For an Armata brigade there is the tracked model with the armata chassis so all components will already be carried by the logistics tail, so it would be easier to support.
    If the wheeled Koalition operated with Armata or Kurganets brigades they would have to support the vehicles with lots of spare tires that likely no other vehicle in the brigade needs.

    A wheeled artillery vehicle has most of the mobility of a tracked vehicle but does not have the cost of track layers and their maintenance and support.



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    Re: 2S35 Koalitsiya-SV 152mm

    Post  GarryB on Sat Dec 09, 2017 9:26 am

    I have deleted a few posts on this thread that clearly had nothing to do with the topic.

    If you would like to take a one week break from this forum by all means continue to abuse each other and post it on this thread.

    You have been warned.


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