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    Re: 2S35 Koalitsiya-SV 152mm

    Post  Militarov on Thu Nov 30, 2017 3:37 am

    KomissarBojanchev wrote:
    GarryB wrote:The tracked  Coalition will likely replace 2S3 Acacias first and likely MSTA last if at all.

    The 2S3 has a gun range of about 18km while MSTA shoots to about 24-28km from memory.

    Coalition is supposed to be able to reach 70km with standard ammo with a CEP of 10m in all weathers day and night.

    AFAIK the standard ammo has a guidance package attached that is part of the fuse that includes a GLONASS module and fins to control flight.

    So the Kolatsiya will be the world's first SPG that carries guided ammo by default?

    What about guided HEAT shells that could individually hit tanks?

    I wouldnt go that far and say it will be carried by default. Also 70km range is supposed to be with new shells that have gas generator, range with baseline ammunition is supposed to be about 40km.

    More likely OF45 and similar shells will be used in decades to come still, as they are cheap and still exist in fairly big quantities.

    HEAT in indirect fire would be quite weird, and guidance kits are not that precise to hit a tank on 60km range especially not GPS/Glonass guided variants. Standard HE rounds are more than enough to deal with tanks, as long as they fall near enough Smile
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    Re: 2S35 Koalitsiya-SV 152mm

    Post  The-thing-next-door on Thu Nov 30, 2017 7:24 am

    Militarov wrote:
    The-thing-next-door wrote:I have heard "the kaolitsiya is going to replace the MSTA" but that makes no sense as the MSTA is still way better than a lousy m109 and disposing of the Akatsiya is a waste of time.

    Russia should build up its artillery so it can rapidly level cities if needed.

    Coalition will replace MSTA on a long run, short term no.  

    M109A7 is quite good actually, tho i am in general not fan of M109s as baseline design at all.

    Seems good to me no like crew will suffocate when the gun breach opens. It has a fume extractor right.



    Anyway I agree with Gary the MSTA is probably going to go when all the Akatsiyas are gone and this will most likely only be in the 2040s at the earliest.
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    Re: 2S35 Koalitsiya-SV 152mm

    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Dec 06, 2017 10:30 pm


    Some new boxes on the turret:

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    Re: 2S35 Koalitsiya-SV 152mm

    Post  Militarov on Wed Dec 06, 2017 10:57 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Some new boxes on the turret:


    I suppose radar measuring shell speed to enhance use of fuses.
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    Re: 2S35 Koalitsiya-SV 152mm

    Post  eehnie on Thu Dec 07, 2017 6:10 am

    robognus wrote:

    To remember:

    2S21 Msta-K

    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/2%D0%A121



    Also to remember its success in the Russian Armed Forces.
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    Re: 2S35 Koalitsiya-SV 152mm

    Post  Militarov on Thu Dec 07, 2017 5:03 pm

    eehnie wrote:
    robognus wrote:

    To remember:

    2S21 Msta-K

    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/2%D0%A121



    Also to remember its success in the Russian Armed Forces.

    Yugoslavia did it before it was cool.

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    Re: 2S35 Koalitsiya-SV 152mm

    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Dec 07, 2017 5:50 pm

    Militarov wrote:.............

    Yugoslavia did it before it was cool.


    We did everything before it was cool. It's kinda spooky actually... lol1
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    Re: 2S35 Koalitsiya-SV 152mm

    Post  The-thing-next-door on Thu Dec 07, 2017 9:13 pm

    The truck mounted Koalitsiya is a Bereg replacement as the navy clearly feels that the Bereg is inadiquate for the role of inefective coastal defence.
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    Re: 2S35 Koalitsiya-SV 152mm

    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Dec 07, 2017 9:23 pm

    The-thing-next-door wrote:The truck mounted Koalitsiya is a Bereg replacement as the navy clearly feels that the Bereg is inadiquate for the role of inefective coastal defence.

    No, it was designed as SPG for new light brigades
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    Re: 2S35 Koalitsiya-SV 152mm

    Post  franco on Thu Dec 07, 2017 9:30 pm

    I think you are both right... sort of Wink
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    Re: 2S35 Koalitsiya-SV 152mm

    Post  eehnie on Thu Dec 07, 2017 9:33 pm

    The-thing-next-door wrote:The truck mounted Koalitsiya is a Bereg replacement as the navy clearly feels that the Bereg is inadiquate for the role of inefective coastal defence.

    What would make wrong the 2S35 (on the armata platform) as replacement of the A-222 Bereg?

    It need to be something important in order to introduce in fact a new platform.
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    Re: 2S35 Koalitsiya-SV 152mm

    Post  eehnie on Thu Dec 07, 2017 9:40 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    The-thing-next-door wrote:The truck mounted Koalitsiya is a Bereg replacement as the navy clearly feels that the Bereg is inadiquate for the role of inefective coastal defence.

    No, it was designed as SPG for new light brigades

    What makes light this truck?

    To note that the A-222 Bereg is over 43 tons. This will not be lighter.

    Where this weapon is necessary likely a light brigade makes little sense. Where this weapon is necessary is likely to see Armata Brigades.
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    Re: 2S35 Koalitsiya-SV 152mm

    Post  ZoA on Thu Dec 07, 2017 10:01 pm

    Anyone heard or read any info if Russians are adapting their artillery for use against slow moving UAV. If Koalitsiya comes with radar that can track said UAV simply adding programmable time fuse to standard HE shell can create very cheap and effective way to deal with reconnaissance or attack UAV loitering at heights up to 10 km, or even more.

    Also to save cost I think Russia should not equip all Koalitsiya vehicles with radar, stick it to 1 vehicle per battery and telemetry can be transited to other vehicles no problem.
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    Re: 2S35 Koalitsiya-SV 152mm

    Post  Militarov on Thu Dec 07, 2017 10:35 pm

    eehnie wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    The-thing-next-door wrote:The truck mounted Koalitsiya is a Bereg replacement as the navy clearly feels that the Bereg is inadiquate for the role of inefective coastal defence.

    No, it was designed as SPG for new light brigades

    What makes light this truck?

    To note that the A-222 Bereg is over 43 tons. This will not be lighter.

    Where this weapon is necessary likely a light brigade makes little sense. Where this weapon is necessary is likely to see Armata Brigades.

    Now i wonder if you actually ever went to the school of any kind. There is term for an example... "light tank" which isnt light at all at about fkn 30 tons. Take term "light" lightly...no pun intended.

    Light brigades are wheeled. This is wheeled... which somehow points toward fact that it will be used in dominantly wheeled future units. While tracked Coalition will be in other units dominantly equiped with tracked platforms. Not sure how confusing can it be.
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    Re: 2S35 Koalitsiya-SV 152mm

    Post  eehnie on Thu Dec 07, 2017 10:55 pm

    Militarov wrote:
    eehnie wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    The-thing-next-door wrote:The truck mounted Koalitsiya is a Bereg replacement as the navy clearly feels that the Bereg is inadiquate for the role of inefective coastal defence.

    No, it was designed as SPG for new light brigades

    What makes light this truck?

    To note that the A-222 Bereg is over 43 tons. This will not be lighter.

    Where this weapon is necessary likely a light brigade makes little sense. Where this weapon is necessary is likely to see Armata Brigades.

    Now i wonder if you actually ever went to the school of any kind. There is term for an example... "light tank" which isnt light at all at about fkn 30 tons. Take term "light" lightly...no pun intended.

    Light brigades are wheeled. This is wheeled... which somehow points toward fact that it will be used in dominantly wheeled future units. While tracked Coalition will be in other units dominantly equiped with tracked platforms. Not sure how confusing can it be.

    You mean light brigades like the future Russian BMD-4M brigades? Wheeled?

    Your comment is as ridiculous as it sounds.
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    Re: 2S35 Koalitsiya-SV 152mm

    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Dec 07, 2017 11:10 pm

    eehnie wrote:..............

    You mean light brigades like the future Russian BMD-4M brigades? Wheeled?

    Your comment is as ridiculous as it sounds.

    Just how retarded are you really?

    Tell your assisted living nurse to scan the paper you got from the doctor and upload it please, because I'm genuinely curious.

    Light brigades as in when compared to heavy (tracked) ones. Meaning they use wheels. Wheeled vehicles are lighter than tracked ones.

    Moron...
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    Re: 2S35 Koalitsiya-SV 152mm

    Post  Militarov on Thu Dec 07, 2017 11:13 pm

    eehnie wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    eehnie wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    The-thing-next-door wrote:The truck mounted Koalitsiya is a Bereg replacement as the navy clearly feels that the Bereg is inadiquate for the role of inefective coastal defence.

    No, it was designed as SPG for new light brigades

    What makes light this truck?

    To note that the A-222 Bereg is over 43 tons. This will not be lighter.

    Where this weapon is necessary likely a light brigade makes little sense. Where this weapon is necessary is likely to see Armata Brigades.

    Now i wonder if you actually ever went to the school of any kind. There is term for an example... "light tank" which isnt light at all at about fkn 30 tons. Take term "light" lightly...no pun intended.

    Light brigades are wheeled. This is wheeled... which somehow points toward fact that it will be used in dominantly wheeled future units. While tracked Coalition will be in other units dominantly equiped with tracked platforms. Not sure how confusing can it be.

    You mean light brigades like the future Russian BMD-4M brigades? Wheeled?

    Your comment is as ridiculous as it sounds.

    Where did you get info that light brigades will be BMD-4 based? Because you would be the first source of such information ever for me Suspect

    Light brigades will be formed from wheeled platforms like Boomerang, Typhoons, Tigrs, Scropions etc.

    BMD-4s platforms are VDV exclusive as of now.
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    Re: 2S35 Koalitsiya-SV 152mm

    Post  Militarov on Thu Dec 07, 2017 11:14 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    eehnie wrote:..............

    You mean light brigades like the future Russian BMD-4M brigades? Wheeled?

    Your comment is as ridiculous as it sounds.

    Just how retarded are you really?

    Tell your assisted living nurse to scan the paper you got from the doctor and upload it please, because I'm genuinely curious.

    Light brigades as in when compared to heavy (tracked) ones. Meaning they use wheels. Wheeled vehicles are lighter than tracked ones.

    Moron...

    Things this guy writes sometimes are... amusing at best.
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    Re: 2S35 Koalitsiya-SV 152mm

    Post  Militarov on Thu Dec 07, 2017 11:15 pm

    ZoA wrote:Anyone heard or read any info if Russians are adapting their artillery for use against slow moving UAV. If Koalitsiya comes with radar that can track said UAV simply adding programmable time fuse to standard HE shell can create very cheap and effective way to deal with reconnaissance or attack UAV loitering at heights up to 10 km, or even more.

    Also to save cost I think Russia should not equip all Koalitsiya vehicles with radar, stick it to 1 vehicle per battery and telemetry can be transited to other vehicles no problem.

    Not sure about such ability, but its alot cheaper to build such system around airburst grenade launcher for an example.
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    Re: 2S35 Koalitsiya-SV 152mm

    Post  GarryB on Fri Dec 08, 2017 2:24 am

    The Aneit system is used on the tanks to create air burst 125mm shells... I don't see why they could not do the same with the larger calibre 152mm rounds...

    Perhaps even a command detonation system could be used where the round has a small receiver in its tail and the shell is fired and the two large antenna arrays track the outgoing shell and the target and when they are close enough a command is sent to detonate the round.

    The alternative is an expensive and very accurate time piece inside the shell used to count down the flight time to an intercept point with the target...

    The problem is very high levels of accuracy is needed, which usually makes them more expensive than something simpler.

    And a command detonation system means when the actual round gets close enough if can be detonate, meaning if the target alters its course the round can still be detonated at its closest intercept position.

    It also means in a complete miss scenario the fuse can disable so the round does not explode, which reduces its risk to damage something else.


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    Re: 2S35 Koalitsiya-SV 152mm

    Post  eehnie on Fri Dec 08, 2017 3:55 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    eehnie wrote:..............

    You mean light brigades like the future Russian BMD-4M brigades? Wheeled?

    Your comment is as ridiculous as it sounds.

    Just how retarded are you really?

    Tell your assisted living nurse to scan the paper you got from the doctor and upload it please, because I'm genuinely curious.

    Light brigades as in when compared to heavy (tracked) ones. Meaning they use wheels. Wheeled vehicles are lighter than tracked ones.

    Moron...

    So you mean SS-29 (wheeled) brigades are light with vehicles over 100 tons when armed...

    So you mean the BMD-4M (tracked) brigades will be "heavy" with vehicles around 15 tons...

    So you mean the Boomerang vehicles (wheeled) with around 25 tons are lighter than the BMD-4M (tracked) vehicles with around 15 tons...

    So pretty... brainless people always remain the same. Your unfortunate mother did not good work giving you a brain, and there is nothing she can do to improve it at this point.
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    Re: 2S35 Koalitsiya-SV 152mm

    Post  eehnie on Fri Dec 08, 2017 4:08 am

    Militarov wrote:
    eehnie wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    eehnie wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    The-thing-next-door wrote:The truck mounted Koalitsiya is a Bereg replacement as the navy clearly feels that the Bereg is inadiquate for the role of inefective coastal defence.

    No, it was designed as SPG for new light brigades

    What makes light this truck?

    To note that the A-222 Bereg is over 43 tons. This will not be lighter.

    Where this weapon is necessary likely a light brigade makes little sense. Where this weapon is necessary is likely to see Armata Brigades.

    Now i wonder if you actually ever went to the school of any kind. There is term for an example... "light tank" which isnt light at all at about fkn 30 tons. Take term "light" lightly...no pun intended.

    Light brigades are wheeled. This is wheeled... which somehow points toward fact that it will be used in dominantly wheeled future units. While tracked Coalition will be in other units dominantly equiped with tracked platforms. Not sure how confusing can it be.

    You mean light brigades like the future Russian BMD-4M brigades? Wheeled?

    Your comment is as ridiculous as it sounds.

    Where did you get info that light brigades will be BMD-4 based? Because you would be the first source of such information ever for me  Suspect

    Light brigades will be formed from wheeled platforms like Boomerang, Typhoons, Tigrs, Scropions etc.

    BMD-4s platforms are VDV exclusive as of now.

    I said not that light brigades will be all of BMD-4M.

    I said that it will be light brigades of BMD-4M. The brigades of BMD-4M will be light and will be tracked.

    Your previous comment was a joke. You was talking about "light tanks" to say in the next sentence that light is wheeled. All the "light tanks" that you know are wheeled? Because most of them are also tracked (PT-76,...).

    As always you was trying to posture as the smarter in the room, but as alwyas you failed.
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    Re: 2S35 Koalitsiya-SV 152mm

    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Dec 08, 2017 4:39 am

    eehnie wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    eehnie wrote:..............


    So you mean SS-29 (wheeled) brigades are light with vehicles over 100 tons when armed...

    So you mean the BMD-4M (tracked) brigades will be "heavy" with vehicles around 15 tons...

    So you mean the Boomerang vehicles (wheeled) with around 25 tons are lighter than the BMD-4M (tracked) vehicles with around 15 tons...
    ........


    BMD-4 is not Army vehicle you braindead degenerate moron, it's airborne vehicle for paratroopers.

    How epically retarded can human being possibly get? You are setting new medical benchmarks.

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    Re: 2S35 Koalitsiya-SV 152mm

    Post  Militarov on Fri Dec 08, 2017 4:49 am

    eehnie wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    eehnie wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    eehnie wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    The-thing-next-door wrote:The truck mounted Koalitsiya is a Bereg replacement as the navy clearly feels that the Bereg is inadiquate for the role of inefective coastal defence.

    No, it was designed as SPG for new light brigades

    What makes light this truck?

    To note that the A-222 Bereg is over 43 tons. This will not be lighter.

    Where this weapon is necessary likely a light brigade makes little sense. Where this weapon is necessary is likely to see Armata Brigades.

    Now i wonder if you actually ever went to the school of any kind. There is term for an example... "light tank" which isnt light at all at about fkn 30 tons. Take term "light" lightly...no pun intended.

    Light brigades are wheeled. This is wheeled... which somehow points toward fact that it will be used in dominantly wheeled future units. While tracked Coalition will be in other units dominantly equiped with tracked platforms. Not sure how confusing can it be.

    You mean light brigades like the future Russian BMD-4M brigades? Wheeled?

    Your comment is as ridiculous as it sounds.

    Where did you get info that light brigades will be BMD-4 based? Because you would be the first source of such information ever for me  Suspect

    Light brigades will be formed from wheeled platforms like Boomerang, Typhoons, Tigrs, Scropions etc.

    BMD-4s platforms are VDV exclusive as of now.

    I said not that light brigades will be all of BMD-4M.

    I said that it will be light brigades of BMD-4M. The brigades of BMD-4M will be light and will be tracked.

    Your previous comment was a joke. You was talking about "light tanks"  to say in the next sentence that light is wheeled. All the "light tanks" that you know are wheeled? Because most of them are also tracked (PT-76,...).

    As always you was trying to posture as the smarter in the room, but as alwyas you failed.

    First of all... we are not talking about some imaginary light brigades, but the reorganisation of the armed forces that Russia is planning to undergo, which will include splitting brigades into light, medium and heavy. Light will include almost entirely wheeled platforms (Boomerang, BTR-82A, Typhoon, Tigr-M etc) , medium will be based on mostly medium weight tracked platforms (Kurganec, BMP-2, BMP-3 etc), heavy brigades will be based on heavy tracked platforms (T-15, T-14, T-90 etc).

    Now.. what exactly you are failing to see ffor some reason is that wheeled Coalition is to be attached to light brigades as their SPG obviously. I have no clue what is so confusing to you here. MSTA-B, and Coalition on tracked platform will be kept in heavy brigades so they can follow up with rest of the units.

    BMD-4M wont be in Armys light brigades as that is not role it was made for, it will as always serve in VDV, which fyi is separate branch.

    Son, i mocked your litterate understanding of term "light". There is also light aircraft carrier that has displacement of 30.000t, is that more clear for you now? "Light", does not have to mean its fkn light. Are you using google translate to read the posts or what?

    Idea behind "light" brigade for it is to be whole wheeled, to cost less, to have great road mobility, reduced operating costs.. do you understand now? Light, like Stryker brigades US formed.

    PT-76 was more of an amphibious fire support vehicle, it was tank as much as i am Queen of England to be honest, but it was a designs limitation. On other hand, M551 Sheridan, PL-01, FV101 Scorpion, MMWT.. and list goes on, for about 50 more designs though last 60 years.

    Yea... i am really stupid. thumbsup
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    Re: 2S35 Koalitsiya-SV 152mm

    Post  Militarov on Fri Dec 08, 2017 4:51 am

    eehnie wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    eehnie wrote:..............

    You mean light brigades like the future Russian BMD-4M brigades? Wheeled?

    Your comment is as ridiculous as it sounds.

    Just how retarded are you really?

    Tell your assisted living nurse to scan the paper you got from the doctor and upload it please, because I'm genuinely +curious.

    Light brigades as in when compared to heavy (tracked) ones. Meaning they use wheels. Wheeled vehicles are lighter than tracked ones.

    Moron...

    So you mean SS-29 (wheeled) brigades are light with vehicles over 100 tons when armed...

    So you mean the BMD-4M (tracked) brigades will be "heavy" with vehicles around 15 tons...

    So you mean the Boomerang vehicles (wheeled) with around 25 tons are lighter than the BMD-4M (tracked) vehicles with around 15 tons...

    So pretty... brainless people always remain the same. Your unfortunate mother did not good work giving you a brain, and there is nothing she can do to improve it at this point.

    SS-29 is not part of the Army, it goes under Strategic Missile Troops, that for starters.

    Second.. you are aware that for an example light briagdes can have truck based engineering vehicles that are like 30+ tons?

    You are totally failing to understand what light brigade means man, i am.. like... pwnd

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