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    Re: 2S35 Koalitsiya-SV 152mm

    Post  hoom on Sat Dec 15, 2018 2:31 pm

    Well yeah I guess if its light enough for a Mi-17 that'd be worthy, MSTA-B is 7ton so that would be a pretty huge weight saving.

    For anything else there will be the tracked and (heavy) wheeled versions.
    Which will be considerably more costly/lower in number & more of a problem to lose.
    Cheap & cheerful light truck version can get really high mobility at pretty low cost.
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    Re: 2S35 Koalitsiya-SV 152mm

    Post  Hole on Sat Dec 15, 2018 6:40 pm



    This is exactly like the systems in your pics. It has just greater range, more ammo and at least the same level of mobility.

    For low level combats there are/will be this systems:


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    Re: 2S35 Koalitsiya-SV 152mm

    Post  Hole on Sat Dec 15, 2018 6:42 pm

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    Re: 2S35 Koalitsiya-SV 152mm

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sat Dec 15, 2018 8:03 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    hoom wrote:Personally I'd rather they develop a light truck mount.

    Something like this

    or

    is not much heavier than a conventional mount but able to shoot & scoot much more rapidly.

    The whole point is that you can sling it with a Mi-17 or something up an elevation. Invaluable for mountain brigades and divisions.

    Or attach it to some trucks or tracked vehicles, or even horses - and tow it to somewhere less accessible for heavier, self-propelled artillery vehicles

    From the description it sounds like an analogue of the US M777

    Given that the max load for a Mi-17 sling is 4.5 tons; they'll have to make sure that this Koalitsiya towed-gun weighs no more than that. Probably a good bit less actually; if they want to carry it into higher altitudes as well as the crew and supporting equipment in the same chopper.

    They can just fly the main gun, a crank-jack on wheels, and the ammo with a trailer separately.

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    Re: 2S35 Koalitsiya-SV 152mm

    Post  hoom Yesterday at 5:53 am

    This is exactly like the systems in your pics. It has just greater range, more ammo and at least the same level of mobility.
    Well yeah it is actually lighter than I was remembering.
    The turret & jacks for 360deg (?!) firing makes it quite a bit more expensive & heavier than it could be.
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    Re: 2S35 Koalitsiya-SV 152mm

    Post  GarryB Yesterday at 9:45 am

    Personally I'd rather they develop a light truck mount.

    It will be their standard 152mm gun artillery vehicle, so there will be an Armata version, and a Kurganets version and a Boomerang version...

    They will need a towed model for places trucks and light vehicles cannot go.

    is not much heavier than a conventional mount but able to shoot & scoot much more rapidly.

    An armoured vehicle would be able to shoot and scoot better than any towed model... half way up a mountain firing from mountain top to mountain side 10-20km away is what it will be used for, so moving rapidly after firing is unlikely... it will normally be near a base it is defending...

    If they want mobile fire power.... Ka-52 with Hermes missiles...

    Given that the max load for a Mi-17 sling is 4.5 tons; they'll have to make sure that this Koalitsiya towed-gun weighs no more than that. Probably a good bit less actually; if they want to carry it into higher altitudes as well as the crew and supporting equipment in the same chopper.

    The Mi-38 is supposed to manage 6 or 7 tons I think with an external sling...

    Either way you will need another helo for ammo and crew anyway... and some light vehicle to move it around if needed.


    Which will be considerably more costly/lower in number & more of a problem to lose.
    Cheap & cheerful light truck version can get really high mobility at pretty low cost.

    If it is operating in an armata division it makes sense for it to be armata based etc etc.

    This is exactly like the systems in your pics. It has just greater range, more ammo and at least the same level of mobility.

    True, but the article we are talking about is a towed model...

    They can just fly the main gun, a crank-jack on wheels, and the ammo with a trailer separately.

    Weapons of this size means more than one helo will be needed unless you go for Mi-26s... and even then it makes sense to split the load into gun, ammo and crew, and towing vehicle to allow the weapon to be moved around easily.

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