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    Re: Buk SAM system General Thread

    Post  Austin on Thu Jul 26, 2012 5:39 pm

    BUK-M3 can engage target with a maximum speed of 3000 m/sec

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    Re: Buk SAM system General Thread

    Post  GarryB on Fri Jul 27, 2012 2:23 am

    The Soviets and Russians have a history of choosing solutions that work but are simple and cheap.

    A SAM battery might have a range of targets and threats which can mean that a choice of guidance makes sense in terms of the overall effectiveness of the system.

    It is certainly possible for ARH missiles to be used together with SARH missiles, and under some conditions using an ARH in a SARH mode makes sense too as the enormous radar on a TEL is going be more sophisticated and capable and have better ECCM capability against certain targets than the little radar set in the nose of a missile.

    Having said that the investment in radar technology and its miniaturisation along with mass production can reduce the costs of ARH seekers to the point where there is not that much difference in actual price and in situations where ARH will get a kill and SARH wont then it becomes a case where the slightly more expensive option actually works out cheaper.

    The focus of course is that at the end of the day you have the best tool for the job, but also that you have a tool that is cheap enough so that all your workers have enough tools for the worst possible work day imaginable...


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    Re: Buk SAM system General Thread

    Post  George1 on Wed Jul 10, 2013 12:20 am

    do we have any Buk-M3 deliveries?

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    Re: Buk SAM system General Thread

    Post  Viktor on Wed Aug 21, 2013 11:41 am

    New models of BUK-M2 with 6 missiles. Interesting thing is that missiles are now stored in tubes.




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    Re: Buk SAM system General Thread

    Post  TheArmenian on Wed Aug 21, 2013 11:48 am

    Nice find Viktor.
    Are you sure its M2 and not M3?

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    Re: Buk SAM system General Thread

    Post  Viktor on Wed Aug 21, 2013 12:02 pm

    TheArmenian wrote:Nice find Viktor.
    Are you sure its M2 and not M3?
    Im not sure. But based on what I saw, I think this could be further modernization of BUK-M2 with perhaps technology from BUK-M3.
    As I remember, models of BUK-M3 have more missiles per TELAR.

    Yup 12 missiles per TELAR: Here is the picture.


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    Re: Buk SAM system General Thread

    Post  TheArmenian on Wed Aug 21, 2013 12:06 pm

    Thanks.
    I hope MAKS-2013 will clarify things. But, I am afraid (as per previous shows) it will raise more questions than provide answers.
    We will see.

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    Re: Buk SAM system General Thread

    Post  Viktor on Wed Aug 21, 2013 12:07 pm

    Pictures from BUK-M2 simulator







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    Re: Buk SAM system General Thread

    Post  medo on Wed Aug 21, 2013 5:02 pm

    So Buk-M2 will be able to use new missiles from Buk-M3? they will improve its capabilities in range and in number of targets as there will be more missiles on launchers.

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    Re: Buk SAM system General Thread

    Post  Viktor on Wed Aug 21, 2013 8:40 pm

    medo wrote:So Buk-M2 will be able to use new missiles from Buk-M3? they will improve its capabilities in range and in number of targets as there will be more missiles on launchers.
    We have seen the same thing with BUK-M1-2, where BUK-M1 was  modernized with the BUK-M2 missiles and was renamed BUK-M1-2 Very Happy 

    BUK missile system is excellent base for all sorts of modernizations as technology advances and that is what is making it so dangerous.

    Imagine hundereds of BUKs in Russian inventory (which is 5 minute system and one of the most mobile AD systems in the world) suddenly modernized with active guidance, longer ranged

    missiles on a TELAR that now has more target guidance channels and is much better integrated within new command structure with new Baikal-1ME ASU. All of the sudden western defense

    planers will wake up in horror only to realize they have one more extremely dangerous air defense system to count on just as they thought several years back from now that BUK missile

    system will take its honourable place at the dump yard of the history Very Happy

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    Re: Buk SAM system General Thread

    Post  GarryB on Thu Aug 22, 2013 4:02 am

    I suspect the new tube will likely be the same as the new tube for the naval shtil-1, so they can just make one missile for existing and new Buk batteries and also for new and upgraded Shtil systems.

    The new tubes will protect the missiles from damage and better allow for stacking on launchers.


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    Re: Buk SAM system General Thread

    Post  Viktor on Sat Aug 24, 2013 5:32 am

    Its new version of BUK-M2

    In Moscow, presented a new version of the self-propelled SAM firing units for Buk-M2

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    Re: Buk SAM system General Thread

    Post  TheArmenian on Sat Aug 24, 2013 11:36 am

    Thanks for the clarification Viktor.

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    Re: Buk SAM system General Thread

    Post  mack8 on Sun Aug 25, 2013 1:21 am

    Hopefully this MAKS will clarify if the missiles are the 9M317 or the 9M317M ( which i suspect because of the tubes, but i might be wrong). And looking at the little there is on Buk-M3, man i'm looking forward to it, 12 ready to fire missiles! It appears it will be arranged the same as a Buk-M2 with missiles and radar on a common rotating assembly, is that right ?

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    Re: Buk SAM system General Thread

    Post  Viktor on Tue Sep 03, 2013 10:23 pm

    mack8 wrote:Hopefully this MAKS will clarify if the missiles are the 9M317 or the 9M317M ( which i suspect because of the tubes, but i might be wrong). And looking at the little there is on Buk-M3, man i'm looking forward to it, 12 ready to fire missiles! It appears it will be arranged the same as a Buk-M2 with missiles and radar on a common rotating assembly, is that right ?
    So far we have only this. Missiles 9M317ME. System identify as BUK-M3 by Said is most likely wrong.



    http://saidpvo.livejournal.com/207029.html

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    Re: Buk SAM system General Thread

    Post  mack8 on Tue Sep 03, 2013 11:00 pm

    Interestingly the TELAR has 6 road wheels on each side while the model shown few posts above has 7. If this is not Buk-M3, then it's perhaps Buk-M2-3?

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    Re: Buk SAM system General Thread

    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Fri Sep 06, 2013 3:15 am

    Viktor wrote:New models of BUK-M2 with 6 missiles. Interesting thing is that missiles are now stored in tubes.



    How about it being the Mysk missile system which was a follow-on to Ural (AKA Buk-M2)?

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    Re: Buk SAM system General Thread

    Post  Rpg type 7v on Sat Sep 14, 2013 1:11 pm

    good ,finnaly they have come to some senses , this tubes could be from naval version -- shtil ,which is in tubes and already has 50km range which is good enough for medium sam.
    so just from there 1 unified system and savings. and with 6 missiles compared to 4 that is better.
    i think this missiles are hot launched. with arh and ir homing it would be hell of a system.
    what i still think is bad and lacking is the vehicle where there is no improvement, where is 3 faced AESA!! and better irst package with more cameras and with better coverage , the search radar could que aesa into designated area od the sky where is could use lpi mode all the way from the start to the succesfull intercept.

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    Re: Buk SAM system General Thread

    Post  GarryB on Sun Sep 15, 2013 11:47 am

    This system is an evolution of the KUB system, where experience showed in the Middle East that when the central radar vehicle is destroyed each of the transporter erector vehicles becomes vulnerable to even F-16s with dumb bombs as they had no way to guide their missiles themselves.

    In BUK each TEL vehicle has a guidance radar so it can guide missiles to targets using either radar or optical guidance which means the battery can't be taken out with a single HARM... especially when each vehicle can shoot down HARMs as well as aircraft and ballistic missiles.

    Each battery will have 6-8 launch vehicles which means with each vehicle pointing its missiles in a different direction that 360 degree coverage can be achieved without multi face radar antenna on each vehicle.

    Unification of missile design should allow cost savings, but also means they could have different variants too... for a wheeled battery operating with a medium wheeled unit they could attach a truck based vehicle TELAR with rather more launch tubes, or they could indeed develop a trailer with its own TEL for towing behind tracked and wheeled BUK systems.

    It doesn't need an AESA radar to cue missiles to specific areas without emitting lots of radar energy. It could get target information from the IADS from other platforms without turning on its own radar and launch its own missiles to an intercept point where the missiles will go live and start looking for targets itself with ARH or IIR seekers... or a combination seeker.


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    Re: Buk SAM system General Thread

    Post  Rpg type 7v on Thu Oct 03, 2013 10:43 pm

    more radars working in lpi mode and datalinking is a much safer and better option . nad thats even more redundancy. this new version is dissapointing in many respects like i already pointed out.

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    Re: Buk SAM system General Thread

    Post  GarryB on Fri Oct 04, 2013 9:47 am

    This system is part of the mobile IADS of the Army that moves with the Army. It doesn't operate on its own and will get target data from other platforms/sources so it could operate without emitting any radar radiation at all... ie not LPI... No probability intercept... NPI... because it is just receiving target data.


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    Re: Buk SAM system General Thread

    Post  xeno on Thu Oct 24, 2013 6:06 pm



    Russian people are so unbelievable, they have kept secret for so long, which can be leaked so easily by some souvenirs.
    First colour photo of a real Buk M3. Actually a very awesome photo.

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    Re: Buk SAM system General Thread

    Post  TR1 on Thu Oct 24, 2013 8:47 pm

    Why even keep that a secret is my question.


    Good find.

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    Re: Buk SAM system General Thread

    Post  flamming_python on Thu Oct 24, 2013 9:27 pm

    Bwahaha, hell of a slip-up
    Nice catch, someone had a good eye and paid attention to details

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    Re: Buk SAM system General Thread

    Post  GarryB on Fri Oct 25, 2013 9:48 am

    Has implications about rate of fire and performance of the land units that receive it I guess.

    Also implications about rate of production of the systems and how quickly the upgrade can be deployed.


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