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    Re: Buk SAM system General Thread

    Post  GarryB on Mon Sep 21, 2015 11:39 am

    The new system will start to be delivered to the military air defense in late November 2015 and will be a system whose parameters are comparable with a new and expensive set of "Hero" in the long term development of the version of "Buk-M4", which is expected to reach the space frontier.

    Hero being S-350... so the new BUK whose parameters are comparable with the new and expensive S-350... the BUK-M4 will reach space...

    BUK-M3 and S-350 will use same type of missiles = 9M96xx

    No... BUK uses 9M317M missiles, not 9M96xx missiles.


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    Re: Buk SAM system General Thread

    Post  sepheronx on Mon Sep 21, 2015 1:37 pm

    Whats the point working on both systems then if the new Buks are going to have similar performance (overlapping) in terms of the S-300 series?
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    Re: Buk SAM system General Thread

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Mon Sep 21, 2015 3:10 pm

    sepheronx wrote:Whats the point working on both systems then if the new Buks are going to have similar performance (overlapping) in terms of the S-300 series?

    had same concerns pls check my earlier discussion with Flaming Smile I am still puzzled though Smile

    BTW yes Shtil with Buk-M3 missiles is nice add on for navy



    GarryB wrote:
    The new system will start to be delivered to the military air defense in late November 2015 and will be a system whose parameters are comparable with a new and expensive set of "Hero" in the long term development of the version of "Buk-M4", which is expected to reach the space frontier.

    Hero being S-350... so the new BUK whose parameters are comparable with the new and expensive S-350... the BUK-M4 will reach space...
    accidentally PGS hypersonic vehicles are gonnd fly on 50-70km ceiling...
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    Re: Buk SAM system General Thread

    Post  sepheronx on Mon Sep 21, 2015 4:17 pm

    Shtil defense system with these newer missiles would be leaps and bounds better than anything else is fielded. But not many ships in Rus navy are fielded with Shtil. Most are still using the arm launch systems of iglas or something else.
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    Re: Buk SAM system General Thread

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Mon Sep 21, 2015 6:38 pm

    sepheronx wrote:Shtil defense system with these newer missiles would be leaps and bounds better than anything else is fielded. But not many ships in Rus navy are fielded with Shtil. Most are still using the arm launch systems of iglas or something else.


    Shtil is using so far   Admiral Grigorovich class (6) and was to be installed on corvettes 22160 (12?) but nobody says this must be restricted only to those 2 classes.
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    Re: Buk SAM system General Thread

    Post  GarryB on Tue Sep 22, 2015 11:23 am

    Whats the point working on both systems then if the new Buks are going to have similar performance (overlapping) in terms of the S-300 series?

    Different branches with different requirements... why is the F-22 not carrier capable?

    BUK needs to be able to move with a land based army over fairly rough terrain... the track based systems are designed to enable that, and they will be designed to operate with tanks and armoured vehicles.

    In comparison the S-300 comes on a truck and has enormous radars that need to be set up... it simply can't operate from a short stop like the BUK can and does.

    accidentally PGS hypersonic vehicles are gonnd fly on 50-70km ceiling...

    Space is considered rather higher than 100km... most comments I read suggest 180km.

    But PGS wont be an enormous problem for tank units... more likely S-300VMV4 or later, plus S-500.



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    Re: Buk SAM system General Thread

    Post  George1 on Thu Dec 03, 2015 11:01 am

    Here says that 3 Buk-M2 were delivered this year

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1606666.html


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    Re: Buk SAM system General Thread

    Post  Viktor on Thu Dec 03, 2015 12:08 pm

    George1 wrote:Here says that 3 Buk-M2 were delivered this year

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1606666.html

    3 BUK-M2 REGIMENTS !
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    Re: Buk SAM system General Thread

    Post  George1 on Thu Dec 03, 2015 12:31 pm

    Viktor wrote:
    George1 wrote:Here says that 3 Buk-M2 were delivered this year

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1606666.html

    3 BUK-M2 REGIMENTS !

    so how many batteries?


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    Re: Buk SAM system General Thread

    Post  Viktor on Thu Dec 03, 2015 1:52 pm

    George1 wrote:
    Viktor wrote:
    George1 wrote:Here says that 3 Buk-M2 were delivered this year

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1606666.html

    3 BUK-M2 REGIMENTS !

    so how many batteries?

    Somewhere from 2 till 6 (3 most likely).
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    Re: Buk SAM system General Thread

    Post  sepheronx on Thu Dec 03, 2015 2:37 pm

    So why the M2 when M3 is now available?
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    Re: Buk SAM system General Thread

    Post  TheArmenian on Thu Dec 03, 2015 2:54 pm

    sepheronx wrote:So why the M2 when M3 is now available?

    M3 will be available next year. Meanwhile the factory needs to produce and this batch is probably the last of the M2s.

    The M2 is a good modern system that will be used to train the future M3 crews. Later on, it can be exported or donated to a friendly country.
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    Re: Buk SAM system General Thread

    Post  Militarov on Thu Dec 03, 2015 3:46 pm

    sepheronx wrote:Whats the point working on both systems then if the new Buks are going to have similar performance (overlapping) in terms of the S-300 series?

    Somewhat like tanks in USSR. "Buk" shall be more capable, compliex and more expencive system, S350 shall be cheaper and easier to field in numbers system aimed at direct replacement of early S300 models.
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    Re: Buk SAM system General Thread

    Post  sepheronx on Thu Dec 03, 2015 4:54 pm

    Maybe so. I thought Buk systems were supposed to be cheaper.  Buk M3 sounds very promising too.
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    Re: Buk SAM system General Thread

    Post  George1 on Thu Dec 03, 2015 5:15 pm

    Militarov wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:Whats the point working on both systems then if the new Buks are going to have similar performance (overlapping) in terms of the S-300 series?

    Somewhat like tanks in USSR. "Buk" shall be more capable, compliex and more expencive system, S350 shall be cheaper and easier to field in numbers system aimed at direct replacement of early S300 models.

    Buk systems are for Ground Forces, S350 for Aerospace Forces


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    Re: Buk SAM system General Thread

    Post  TheArmenian on Thu Dec 03, 2015 5:18 pm

    George1 wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:Whats the point working on both systems then if the new Buks are going to have similar performance (overlapping) in terms of the S-300 series?

    Somewhat like tanks in USSR. "Buk" shall be more capable, compliex and more expencive system, S350 shall be cheaper and easier to field in numbers system aimed at direct replacement of early S300 models.

    Buk systems are for Ground Forces, S350 for Aerospace Forces

    Most probably yes.
    But I won't be surprised if it does not end up exactly like that.
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    Re: Buk SAM system General Thread

    Post  Militarov on Thu Dec 03, 2015 5:22 pm

    George1 wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:Whats the point working on both systems then if the new Buks are going to have similar performance (overlapping) in terms of the S-300 series?

    Somewhat like tanks in USSR. "Buk" shall be more capable, compliex and more expencive system, S350 shall be cheaper and easier to field in numbers system aimed at direct replacement of early S300 models.

    Buk systems are for Ground Forces, S350 for Aerospace Forces

    That is main idea yeah. Coz Aerospace will already field late S300 models and S400 so their medium range systems S350 will be "workhorse" in medium range and will requie significiant numbers. For ground forces Buk will be best they have.
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    Re: Buk SAM system General Thread

    Post  George1 on Fri Dec 11, 2015 2:45 pm

    Russian army to get first set of Buk-M3 air defense system in 2016 — defense minister

    MOSCOW, December 11. /TASS/. The Russian Armed forces will receive in 2016 the first set of the newest air defense missile system Buk-M3, Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu said on Friday. Read also US test launches anti-ballistic missile over Pacific as part of its European Shield plans Russia puts several S-400 air defense systems on combat duty in north-western region Russia, US move along same track to build up smart weapons potentials Russia successfully tests new cruise missile launch system for strategic bombers US claims Russia tests missile threatening Europe, Northeast Asia "For the general purpose forces: the task is to supply to the Army two brigade sets of the Iskander-M missile system and Tornado-S multiple launch rocket system (MLRS) each, as well as one brigade set of the Buk-M3 air defense missile system," the minister said at the Defense Ministry’s collegium meeting devoted to the results of the outgoing year.


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    Re: Buk SAM system General Thread

    Post  George1 on Sat Dec 26, 2015 10:59 pm

    New cutting-edge missile designed to Buk-M3 air defense systems — Russian defense ministry

    MOSCOW, December 26. /TASS/. A new cutting-edge missile has been created for the Buk-M3 medium-range air defense missile system, Lieutenant General Alexander Leonov, the commander of Russia’s air defense troops, told the Russian News Service on Saturday.
    "The self-propelled system’s transport and firing boxes are designed to hold six missiles. Missiles are more compact but are more precise and capable of flying longer distances. So, it can be called a new unique missile capable of efficiently hitting air targets," he said.
    He said the capacity of the new missile system had been boosted by 1.5 times as it is capable of holding six missiles instead of four.
    Earlier, a source in Russia’s defense ministry told TASS the Buk-M3 missile systems would be included into the Russia army’ inventory before the end of 2016 and would arrive to the army starting from 2016.
    The Buk-M3 system is superior to the S-300 air defense missile system by a number of characteristics, including the kill probability. The Buk-M3 system has a range of 70 kilometers (43.5 miles), which is 25 kilometers (15.5 miles) more compared to previous versions of the Buk antiaircraft missile system.
    The Buk-M3 has a maximum firing altitude of 35 kilometers (21.7 miles).

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    Re: Buk SAM system General Thread

    Post  Viktor on Thu Jan 07, 2016 1:53 am

    Hopefully .... whole brigade of BUK-M3 Laughing Laughing Laughing thumbsup

    "Buk-M3" against ATACMS: why Russian missiles exceed the American complex (PHOTO)

    This year, the Ground Forces should take to equip the first brigade sets of anti-aircraft missile system of medium-range "Buk-M3."
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    Re: Buk SAM system General Thread

    Post  George1 on Sun Jan 10, 2016 9:59 am

    Aircraft Killer: New Russian Buk-M3 SAM System to Enter Service Soon

    In 2016 the Russian Armed Forces are about to receive a new and deadly addition to their arsenal – Buk-M3 surface-to-air missile system (NATO reporting name: SA-17 Grizzly).

    The new type of missile used by the launcher is more compact than the ordnance used by its predecessors, allowing Buk-M3 to carry a payload of six instead of four missiles. At the same time, the new missile outclasses previous models in terms of its technical characteristics: it can destroy any type of airborne target in existence, can be used against naval and ground targets, and is extremely resistant to electronic countermeasures.

    The Buk-M3 carries its payload in launch containers instead of positioning missiles on external rails. This new feature significantly reduces the time between shots as the launcher no longer has to rotate and elevate the missiles in the direction of a new target: the rockets are launched vertically and adjust their trajectory midair.

    The new radar employed by the Buk-M3 allows it to detect airborne flying at extremely low altitudes (5 meters and higher), and increases the maximum destruction range of the weapon to 70 kilometers. The tele-thermal imaging target designator used by the launcher allows it to detect and track targets regardless of the time of day and weather conditions.

    According to Zvezda TV channel, a division of Buk-M3 can simultaneously track and engage up to 36 targets, with the probability of hitting a target with one missile reaching a 0.9999 percent certainty. The weapon system can also intercept and destroy airborne targets flying at a speed of 3 kilometers per second (for example, the speed of a missile fired by a US-made MGM-140 ATACMS surface-to-air missile launcher doesn’t exceed 1.5 kilometers per hour).

    The first Buk-M3 divisions are expected to enter service this year as part of the ongoing general rearmament program, and will provide a considerable boost to Russia’s already formidable anti-air capabilities.

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/russia/20160109/1032883553/buk-new-anti-aircraft-weapon.html#ixzz3wpX3xk7K


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    Re: Buk SAM system General Thread

    Post  GarryB on Sun Jan 10, 2016 12:30 pm

    Oops... I suspect they meant a 0.9999 probability of a kill, which is of course 99.99%, and I suspect they also meant ATCMs travels at 1.5km/s rather than 1.5km/h...

    Should be interesting to see the May day parade this year... I hope there are a few new revelations...


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    Re: Buk SAM system General Thread

    Post  Militarov on Sun Jan 10, 2016 5:19 pm

    (for example, the speed of a missile fired by a US-made MGM-140 ATACMS surface-to-air missile launcher doesn’t exceed 1.5 kilometers per hour).

    What O.o
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    Re: Buk SAM system General Thread

    Post  max steel on Sun Jan 10, 2016 5:38 pm

    can BUK-M2-SAM intercept ATACMS ?
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    Re: Buk SAM system General Thread

    Post  Militarov on Sun Jan 10, 2016 6:10 pm

    max steel wrote:can BUK-M2-SAM intercept ATACMS ?

    I dont see why not, its not "real" balistic missile so it shouldnt be much of an issue to be engaged with medium range SAM.

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