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    Post  flamming_python Thu Jan 15, 2015 1:45 pm

    Kyo wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:
    kvs wrote:Testament to the failure of Russian-French relations.

    Russia should not yield to any pressure, the Ukrainian authorities must not be allowed to cement their power.

    To France, Germany, others.. this will not be acceptable. They thought they had pulled of a fair accompli in the Ukraine. When they didn't, they thought they could pressure Russia. But if Russia is unyielding to pressure - they will continue to lose money; in the Ukraine from having to support the decaying economy, from the food ban, from Russia's rouble devaluation which translates to less Russian tourists and demand for goods, etc... their positions on the Russian market are eroding month by month.
    The situation is even more acute in the Baltic states, which depended on Russian tourism, agricultural export to Russia and transit to Russia - all 3 of which are plummeting.
    South-Eastern Europe too.. Bulgaria has been robbed of its nuclear plant deal, its transit fees for the gas.. Bulgaria, Hungary and others together have been robbed of the chance for cheap gas supplies.

    Russia on the other hand is decreasing its dependence on Europe, and by so doing increasing ties with friendly countries in the Middle East, former USSR, North Africa, South America & Asia; who are providing an increasing share of agricultural produce and other products, and are becoming more attractive tourist destinations.
    Russia is also helping its own businesses. Russian agriculture, more than anyone else, is having a whale of a time; although they are wary on increasing production as they don't know how long the ban on European/American produce will be kept. Domestic producers in general - have suddenly become all the more cheaper compared to their foreign counterparts. People are turning more to domestically-produced goods. Russia is taking advantage of the crisis, to fund and boost domestic production and businesses.
    Russia is weaving off the dollar, off the VISA/Mastercard payment system, off reliance on loans in Western banks, off North American and London stock exchanges.. who looses from this? In the short-term Russia, but in the long-term the West is cutting itself out of a market completely, and perhaps other countries will follow suit.

    Couldn't agree more. Don't think I'm sufficiently  proficient in French, but I think it's fait accompli and not fair accompli. Maybe a typing error.

    It is fait accompli indeed, a 'done deal'; just made a typo.
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    Post  Kyo Thu Jan 15, 2015 3:08 pm

    George1 wrote:Russian Defense Minister Says Ready to Sue France Over Mistral Delivery

    Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said that if Mistral contract is not fulfilled, Russia could file a court case against France within six months.

    MOSCOW, January 15 (Sputnik) – Moscow could file a court case against Paris within six months over the latter's nonfulfillment of a contract to deliver the first Mistral-class helicopter carrier to Russia on time, Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said Thursday.

    "If the contract isn't fulfilled, then naturally a suit will be filed. The first part [before filing the suit] was already done in January, that is a [request for] an explanation, then why [the contract was not fulfilled] is the next, and that will take between three and six months," Shoigu told RIA Novosti.

    Earlier this week, a high-ranking Russian military source told RIA Novosti that the Defense Ministry did not intend to take any action regarding the matter before February.

    On Tuesday, an official from Defense Ministry's Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation stated that an official inquiry had been sent from Moscow to Paris. The case will either be taken to court or France will be given more time; both possibilities would require France to write an explanation of the situation at hand.

    In 2011, a $1.5 billion dollar contract was made for the delivery of two Mistral-class assault ships between Russian state-run arms exporter Rosoboronexport and French shipbuilder DCNS. French President Francois Hollande announced the suspension of the delivery of the first ship, due November 14, 2014. Hollande cited Russia's alleged role in Ukrainian conflict as the reason for suspension.

    According to Russian experts, Paris could face penalties as high as $10 billion if it fails to fulfill its contractual obligations.

    Russia closing in...
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    Post  par far Thu Jan 15, 2015 7:14 pm

    George1 wrote:Russian Defense Minister Says Ready to Sue France Over Mistral Delivery

    Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said that if Mistral contract is not fulfilled, Russia could file a court case against France within six months.

    MOSCOW, January 15 (Sputnik) – Moscow could file a court case against Paris within six months over the latter's nonfulfillment of a contract to deliver the first Mistral-class helicopter carrier to Russia on time, Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said Thursday.

    "If the contract isn't fulfilled, then naturally a suit will be filed. The first part [before filing the suit] was already done in January, that is a [request for] an explanation, then why [the contract was not fulfilled] is the next, and that will take between three and six months," Shoigu told RIA Novosti.

    Earlier this week, a high-ranking Russian military source told RIA Novosti that the Defense Ministry did not intend to take any action regarding the matter before February.

    On Tuesday, an official from Defense Ministry's Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation stated that an official inquiry had been sent from Moscow to Paris. The case will either be taken to court or France will be given more time; both possibilities would require France to write an explanation of the situation at hand.

    In 2011, a $1.5 billion dollar contract was made for the delivery of two Mistral-class assault ships between Russian state-run arms exporter Rosoboronexport and French shipbuilder DCNS. French President Francois Hollande announced the suspension of the delivery of the first ship, due November 14, 2014. Hollande cited Russia's alleged role in Ukrainian conflict as the reason for suspension.

    According to Russian experts, Paris could face penalties as high as $10 billion if it fails to fulfill its contractual obligations
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    Screw the French ships and get the $10 billion, we can build our own ships.
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    Post  Viktor Thu Jan 15, 2015 8:19 pm

    par far wrote:Screw the French ships and get the $10 billion, we can build our own ships.

    And 10 bin $ for Su-30 instead of Rafale Very Happy
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    Post  zidzu Fri Jan 16, 2015 6:54 am

    Viktor wrote:
    par far wrote:Screw the French ships and get the $10 billion, we can build our own ships.

    And 10 bin $ for Su-30 instead of Rafale Very Happy

    Russia should put pressure on India to cancel the dassault rafale deal, And any other country that might hopping to buy military equipment from France such as Egypt who is willing to buy Gowind-class corvette form France Russia should offer the Steregushchy-class corvette for Egypt with better weapons with much better price
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    Post  GarryB Fri Jan 16, 2015 10:14 am

    No, Russia should not provoke the French... dumb as they are there is a potential for future cooperation with different French leaders.

    The facts are that the French have until the end of January to deliver the first Mistral class ship under the signed contract, so they haven't broken any agreement yet.

    When February comes however and there is no delivered vessel, then Russia needs to decide what to do... and I think it is quite within their rights to sue.

    The way the French leadership are talking however I suspect it will be delivered as their talk is softening.

    Russia would not be a real friend to India or Egypt if it started pressuring those countries on their purchases of military hardware... just because the French and US use such pressures does not make it right for Russia to play that dirty game. Egypt and India have chosen French products... Russia should not get upset about that.
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    Post  collegeboy16 Fri Jan 16, 2015 11:28 am

    GarryB wrote:No, Russia should not provoke the French... dumb as they are there is a potential for future cooperation with different French leaders.

    The facts are that the French have until the end of January to deliver the first Mistral class ship under the signed contract, so they haven't broken any agreement yet.

    When February comes however and there is no delivered vessel, then Russia needs to decide what to do... and I think it is quite within their rights to sue.

    The way the French leadership are talking however I suspect it will be delivered as their talk is softening.

    Russia would not be a real friend to India or Egypt if it started pressuring those countries on their purchases of military hardware... just because the French and US use such pressures does not make it right for Russia to play that dirty game. Egypt and India have chosen French products... Russia should not get upset about that.
    x2, but from time to time russia has to play ball too.
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    Post  flamming_python Fri Jan 16, 2015 12:11 pm

    Russia should not pressure India or anyone else - I'm quite sure they'll just give Russia the middle finger anyway if it starts acting like the US.

    A better strategy would be to promote more co-operation with those countries. Entice them to buy cheaper, better Russian stuff than overpriced Rafaels or yesterday's tech from old US stocks. Believe me, the contracts will come. A lot of it now is just a result of India wanting to do anything to diversify, and also some cheap propaganda about 'West is best', propogated especially by some paid-off bloggers and interest groups.

    Some US hardware is very good, so I can understand something like the Apache purchase, that's all well and good. The C-130Js that India is buying though? By no means is it a bad aircraft, but still the deal is the ripoff of the century; India could have gotten some An-70s or Il-476s for a fraction of the price; and in terms of the An-70 at least it's the best in its class bar none.
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    Post  zidzu Fri Jan 16, 2015 1:07 pm

    GarryB wrote:No, Russia should not provoke the French... dumb as they are there is a potential for future cooperation with different French leaders.

    The facts are that the French have until the end of January to deliver the first Mistral class ship under the signed contract, so they haven't broken any agreement yet.

    When February comes however and there is no delivered vessel, then Russia needs to decide what to do... and I think it is quite within their rights to sue.

    The way the French leadership are talking however I suspect it will be delivered as their talk is softening.

    Russia would not be a real friend to India or Egypt if it started pressuring those countries on their purchases of military hardware... just because the French and US use such pressures does not make it right for Russia to play that dirty game. Egypt and India have chosen French products... Russia should not get upset about that.

    Point taken
    It’s just the waiting game then
    Regarding the price of the aircraft's (west & Russian)
    Russian can make very good aircraft for the fraction of the price of a western aircraft they should put this in to civilian aircrafts
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    Post  GarryB Sat Jan 17, 2015 11:07 am

    Some US hardware is very good, so I can understand something like the Apache purchase, that's all well and good. The C-130Js that India is buying though? By no means is it a bad aircraft, but still the deal is the ripoff of the century; India could have gotten some An-70s or Il-476s for a fraction of the price; and in terms of the An-70 at least it's the best in its class bar none.

    Some american stuff is very very good, but if you are looking for rip off of the century... the French with their 174 million dollar per plane Rafale is tricky to beat, but the US manages it with the 500 million per aircraft C-17.

    Half a trillion dollars for a transport... you could probably get 4 An-124s for that....

    Russian can make very good aircraft for the fraction of the price of a western aircraft they should put this in to civilian aircrafts

    In the past the problem has been that there is no ready market for Russian civilian aircraft... I mean without an eastern block to buy them they don't enter service in large numbers so anyone taking a risk to buy one is really taking a risk.

    With Russian military purchases and investment however the risk is greatly reduced, so for example the Russian military investing in the Il-112 and Il-114... digitising and upgrading the designs costs a lot of money no airline would spend, but with the military spending that money the product is greatly improved and support guaranteed plus the added bonus that in the future ex military pilots able to fly them will be available to hire and maintainence people with actual experience on the aircraft will also become available over time.

    IN that sense military purchases subsidise the civilian aircraft... just like in the west... buying 1,000 Boeings as inflight refuelling aircraft makes them cheaper for civilian sales... and reduces the risk you might get lumped with a plane no one else uses so any problems come out of your wallet. All makes it more attractive to civilian operators and foreign military users.
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    Post  par far Sun Jan 18, 2015 11:16 pm

    The French aircraft is heading towards Middle East, let's say that they start something in Syria and Russia hits them back, what happens then?
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    Post  zidzu Mon Jan 19, 2015 6:00 am

    par far wrote:The French aircraft is heading towards Middle East, let's say that they start something in Syria and Russia hits them back, what happens then?

    Coalition against ISIS already bombing in Syria which includes France
    Beside Russia docent have a Love for the Syrian government or for the Assad to start a war with France
    Syria is about keeping west occupied in Middle East for Russia, and its working
    Questions is can the French Dassault Rafale jet fighter avoided Russian anti aircraft missiles ( BUk & S-300) which already in Syria but according to Russian they dint provide the full  S-300  missile systems to the Syrians
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    Post  Kyo Mon Jan 19, 2015 1:29 pm

    Back to business:

    Russia step-by-step closing in on target
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    Post  Kyo Sun Jan 25, 2015 6:17 pm

    Russia has paid about 1 bln euro for Mistrals: Russian defense ministry
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    Post  runaway Tue Feb 03, 2015 1:33 pm

    Kyo wrote:Russia has paid about 1 bln euro for Mistrals: Russian defense ministry


    No news yet about filing a lawsuit against France for failure to deliver the ships according to contract. And with the intensified war in eastern ukraine, its highly unlikey that the French will change their mind anytime soon.
    Seems the Mistrals will be rusting away at quayside, because as someone wrote earlier, the ships are half russian property.

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    Post  Werewolf Tue Feb 03, 2015 1:38 pm

    runaway wrote:
    Kyo wrote:Russia has paid about 1 bln euro for Mistrals: Russian defense ministry


    No news yet about filing a lawsuit against France for failure to deliver the ships according to contract. And with the intensified war in eastern ukraine, its highly unlikey that the French will change their mind anytime soon.
    Seems the Mistrals will be rusting away at quayside, because as someone wrote earlier, the ships are half russian property.


    Marie Le Pen will change the France mind quickly and hopefully shit on rest of EU along on German vassal slaves in this puddle regime here.
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    Post  zidzu Tue Feb 10, 2015 6:31 am

    Werewolf wrote:
    runaway wrote:
    Kyo wrote:Russia has paid about 1 bln euro for Mistrals: Russian defense ministry


    No news yet about filing a lawsuit against France for failure to deliver the ships according to contract. And with the intensified war in eastern ukraine, its highly unlikey that the French will change their mind anytime soon.
    Seems the Mistrals will be rusting away at quayside, because as someone wrote earlier, the ships are half russian property.


    Marie Le Pen will change the France mind quickly and hopefully shit on rest of EU along on German vassal slaves in this puddle regime here.

    If nicolas sarkozy win  the next  election most probally he will deliver the two mistral class ship to russia
    http://rt.com/news/230283-sarkozy-crimea-russia-blamed/
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    Post  Werewolf Tue Feb 10, 2015 8:34 am

    zidzu wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:
    runaway wrote:
    Kyo wrote:Russia has paid about 1 bln euro for Mistrals: Russian defense ministry


    No news yet about filing a lawsuit against France for failure to deliver the ships according to contract. And with the intensified war in eastern ukraine, its highly unlikey that the French will change their mind anytime soon.
    Seems the Mistrals will be rusting away at quayside, because as someone wrote earlier, the ships are half russian property.


    Marie Le Pen will change the France mind quickly and hopefully shit on rest of EU along on German vassal slaves in this puddle regime here.

    If nicolas sarkozy win  the next  election most probally he will deliver the two mistral class ship to russia
    http://rt.com/news/230283-sarkozy-crimea-russia-blamed/

    I've no trust in this spine-less crook.
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    Post  higurashihougi Tue Feb 10, 2015 10:02 am

    Werewolf wrote:I've no trust in this spine-less crook.

    It is just a tactic to gain vote and popular support, no more no less. And I don't know whether Le Pen has enough power to do what she promise.
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    Post  Werewolf Tue Feb 10, 2015 11:09 am

    higurashihougi wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:I've no trust in this spine-less crook.

    It is just a tactic to gain vote and popular support, no more no less. And I don't know whether Le Pen has enough power to do what she promise.

    She won't have much power but enough to make a statement to the rest of the slaves in europe untill this degenerated idiots actually look down and see their hands and feet in chains all connected to US.
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    Post  flamming_python Tue Feb 10, 2015 12:06 pm

    Time for Russia stop whining and start suing.

    What better way is there to change someone's mind, than to show them that there will be consenquences to their actions.

    Of course, that might make them dig in and be more stubborn too, but then Russia wouldn't have lost anything anyway, and can reclaim the money it paid and get compensated too.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Tue Feb 10, 2015 2:18 pm

    Werewolf wrote:
    zidzu wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:
    runaway wrote:
    Kyo wrote:Russia has paid about 1 bln euro for Mistrals: Russian defense ministry


    No news yet about filing a lawsuit against France for failure to deliver the ships according to contract. And with the intensified war in eastern ukraine, its highly unlikey that the French will change their mind anytime soon.
    Seems the Mistrals will be rusting away at quayside, because as someone wrote earlier, the ships are half russian property.


    Marie Le Pen will change the France mind quickly and hopefully shit on rest of EU along on German vassal slaves in this puddle regime here.

    If nicolas sarkozy win  the next  election most probally he will deliver the two mistral class ship to russia
    http://rt.com/news/230283-sarkozy-crimea-russia-blamed/

    I've no trust in this spine-less crook.

    It's crazy that people are defending Sarkozy, the guy advocates nuclear sharing in Europe which no other country is the target of outside of Russia, and the step-father of his half-brother, is none other than the deceased Frank Wisner Sr. of the CIA, who headed up the despicable Clandestine Operations branch of the CIA, probably the most corrupt of all the branches of the CIA.
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    Post  Kyo Thu Feb 12, 2015 8:18 pm

    Mistral deal still on hold despite new Minsk agreement: Fabius

    France's penalty may amount to around 3 bn euros if Paris fails to deliver
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    Post  kvs Thu Feb 12, 2015 11:51 pm

    This sanctions on Russia for "meddling" in Ukraine BS is epically Orwellian.

    Consider the history of the USA in the South and South-West. The US expanded its territory at the expense of Mexico
    by supporting local "squatters" as in the case of Texas. Remember the Alamo!

    Well, the Donbas is populated by 8 million ethnic Russians. So excuse Russia for supporting its own like America did back
    in the day. And Russia is not even talking about annexing the Donbas, just having the rights of the locals respected. I thought
    the EU was all about such regional devolution and respected for ethnic and linguistic rights. Clearly, I am sadly mistaken.
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    Post  zidzu Fri Feb 13, 2015 5:01 am

    kvs wrote:This sanctions on Russia for "meddling" in Ukraine BS is epically Orwellian.  

    Consider the history of the USA in the South and South-West.   The US expanded its territory at the expense of Mexico
    by supporting local "squatters" as in the case of Texas.   Remember the Alamo!

    Well, the Donbas is populated by 8 million ethnic Russians.   So excuse Russia for supporting its own like America did back
    in the day.   And Russia is not even talking about annexing the Donbas, just having the rights of the locals respected.  I thought
    the EU was all about such regional devolution and respected for ethnic and linguistic rights.   Clearly, I am sadly mistaken.

    Second Mistral-class helicopter carrier’s also ready for delivery
    If the French don’t full fill the agreement with in next six months they are nothing but thief’s stilling Russia money

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