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    Re: Mistral News thread

    Post  Russian Patriot on Sun Oct 04, 2009 7:45 pm

    Vladimir79 wrote:So does it cost $1 billion or $580 million, that makes a big difference to me.

    I know its weird about conflicting reports..


    but if we build 4 ships of the class then I am actually looking foward to the class as proven by this: Gen. Nikolai Makarov, the chief of the Russian General Staff, said in August that Russia had plans to buy three or four ships of the same class to be jointly built in Russia.

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    Post  IBRIS on Thu Oct 08, 2009 12:44 am

    This ship is anywhere from $650 million to $830 million




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    Re: Mistral News thread

    Post  Russian Patriot on Sun Nov 01, 2009 5:41 pm

    French warship to visit Russia in November
    RIA Novosti

    31/10/200918:04

    MOSCOW, October 31 (RIA Novosti) - A French warship will visit Russia in November, a top Russian Navy official said on Saturday.

    "In November, the Mistral helicopter carrier will arrive on a visit to St. Petersburg," said Oleg Burtsev, first deputy chief of the Navy Main Staff.

    Russia is seeking to buy a Mistral-class helicopter carrier, worth 400-500 million euros.

    Burtsev confirmed Moscow's plans to buy one Mistral-class warship and build another four under license.

    France said in mid-October it had decided to start official negotiations on the sale of a warship to Russia. Paris indicated it would formulate its terms and the further course of negotiations would depend on the response from Moscow. A final decision is expected in mid-November at the latest.

    The warship would be built at the STX shipyard in France in partnership with the French shipbuilder DCNS.

    French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner said on October 1 that France would sell Russia a warship if the two countries were able to reach an agreement. He did not elaborate on what kind of political accord or agreement was involved.

    Russian Deputy Defense Minister Vladimir Popovkin said on September 19 that in buying the ship Russia was seeking technology to boost its shipbuilding industry.

    He added that Russian shipbuilders strongly opposed the deal and that the government had yet to make a decision on whether Russia needs to build costly aircraft carriers.

    A Mistral-class ship is capable of transporting and deploying 16 helicopters, four landing barges, up to 70 vehicles including 13 battle tanks, and 450 soldiers. The vessel is equipped with a 69-bed hospital and can be used as an amphibious command ship.

    Gen. Nikolai Makarov, the chief of the Russian General Staff, said in August that Russia had plans to buy three or four ships of the same class to be jointly built in Russia.

    http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/news/2009/10/mil-091031-rianovosti03.htm

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    Estonia alarmed over Russia's intention to buy French warship !

    Post  Russian Patriot on Tue Nov 24, 2009 12:37 am

    Estonia alarmed over Russia's intention to buy French warship RIA Novosti

    22/11/200905:15

    TALLINN, November 22 (RIA Novosti) - Commander-in-Chief of the Estonian Defence Forces Ants Laaneots said if Russia buys a French Mistral amphibious assault ship, measures should be taken to ensure Estonian national security.

    "If the French finally sell it [the warship], we should consider security measures to be taken in case the navy is deployed in the Baltic Sea," Laaneots told Estonian television on Saturday.

    Estonian security analyst Eerik Niiles Kross said: "If Russia obtains such a modern and effective warship, which can carry a tank battalion, take aboard several hundreds of people and faultlessly control [its] operations... the possession of such an equipment will provide Russia with a considerable advantage, if it is deployed in the Baltic Sea."

    Russia is seeking to buy France's Mistral-class helicopter carrier worth 400-500 million euros (around $600-$750 mln). The ship will arrive on an official visit to St. Petersburg on November 23, and the Russian Navy and defense industry experts will be able to inspect it.

    Moscow is also planning to build another four helicopter carriers in Russia under French licensing.

    A Mistral-class ship is capable of transporting and deploying 16 helicopters, four landing barges, up to 70 vehicles, including 13 battle tanks, as well as 450 military personnel. The vessel is equipped with a 69-bed hospital and can be used as an amphibious command ship.

    The Russian Navy is planning to deploy the Mistral-class warships in the Northern and Pacific fleets to conduct troop transport, peacekeeping and rescue missions. In addition, the helicopter carriers could be used effectively in anti-piracy operations, including off the Somali coast.

    Russian shipbuilders strongly oppose the deal and the government has yet to make a decision on whether Russia needs to build costly amphibious assault ships.

    http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/russia/2009/russia-091122-rianovosti01.htm

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    Re: Mistral News thread

    Post  Russian Patriot on Tue Nov 24, 2009 12:47 am

    French warship in arms deal arrives in St. Petersburg
    RIA Novosti

    23/11/200915:13

    France's Mistral helicopter carrier on Monday made a port call in St. Petersburg, a Russian Navy spokesman said.

    Russia is seeking to buy a Mistral-class amphibious assault ship, worth 400-500 million euros and the ship arrived in Russia's second city to be shown off to military personnel and the public.

    Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin will visit France on November 26-27, when a final decision on the purchase is expected to be made.

    A new warship could be built at the STX shipyard in France in partnership with the French shipbuilder DCNS.

    French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner said on October 1 that France would sell Russia a warship if the two countries were able to reach an agreement. He did not elaborate on what kind of political accord or agreement was involved.

    Russian Deputy Defense Minister Vladimir Popovkin said on September 19 Russia was seeking technology to boost its shipbuilding industry by buying the ship.

    He added that Russian shipbuilders strongly opposed the deal and that the government had yet to make a decision on whether Russia needs to build costly carriers.

    The Mistral-class ship is capable of transporting and deploying 16 helicopters, four landing barges, up to 70 vehicles including 13 battle tanks, and 450 soldiers. The vessel is equipped with a 69-bed hospital and can be used as an amphibious command ship.

    Gen. Nikolai Makarov, the chief of the Russian General Staff, said in August that Russia had plans to buy three or four ships of the same class to be jointly built in Russia.

    ST. PETERSBURG, November 23 (RIA Novosti)

    http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/russia/2009/russia-091123-rianovosti02.htm

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    Re: Mistral News thread

    Post  Sukhoi37_Terminator on Tue Nov 24, 2009 1:57 pm

    Turk1 wrote:Russian technology is so far behind the West, they don't have any choice but to buy Western. Look at the bright side, at least you won't have an obselete force.

    hey turk!
    don`t you have nothing better to do?
    over the last 5 centuries we have defeated your country every time!!!

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    Re: Mistral News thread

    Post  Vladimir79 on Thu Nov 26, 2009 4:04 am

    Putin will prepare purchase of French Helicopter

    Prime Minister of Russia Vladimir Putin during his visit to France, scheduled for November 27, 2009, to discuss the possibility of buying a French Helicopter type "Mistral". About this newspaper "Businessman" referring to the French military. However, the signing of a contract for the purchase of speech are not going to. Instead, be appointed responsible for the negotiations, perhaps the defense ministers of Russia and France.

    If negotiating the purchase of "Mistral" successful, Russia will be able to ship within two years after the signing of all necessary documents. In addition, Russia also plans to acquire a license to build four such ships. If the purchase of licenses to be agreed upon by France and Russia's parties, the construction of the ships will be able to do and the Baltic Shipyard Admiralty Shipyards, owned by the United Shipbuilding Corporation (USC).

    As the newspaper, no formal barriers to the sale of the ship Russia does not exist. Basically "Mistral" is equipped with a civilian technology, poses no military secrets of France, which makes the ship a means of delivery techniques and landing.

    Meanwhile, against the purchase of Helicopter serves the USC leadership. Top managers of corporations are confident that Russia would spend the money to build their own ships like the type.

    23 November 2009 Mistral arrived in St. Petersburg with a three-day technical visit, after which the Helicopter go to the joint military exercises with Russia on the Baltic Sea. In particular, it will be practiced landing of Russian commanders of Ka-52 "Alligator" on the deck of the ship. It is possible that the result of joint exercises could affect Russia's decision to purchase "Mistral".

    In the case of signing the contract, the construction of a new warship for Russia will be engaged in ship-building company STX France and DCNS. As expected, the ship will be based on civil standards and will be delivered without the weapons and radars. The amount of a possible transaction valued at 400 million euros. Russia plans to use the "Mistral" in the Northern and Pacific fleets.

    Helicopter "Mistral" can be used to transport troops and cargo, as well as for the landing. Standard displacement of ships of type "Mistral" is 16,5 thousand tons, and full - 21,3 thousand tons. The ship is capable of speeds up to 18.8 knots, and range of his voyage of 19,8 thousand miles (31,8 thousand kilometers). "Mistral" can carry 16 heavy or 35 light helicopters. On arms of the French Navy are already two such ships. Currently under construction is one.

    http://www.lenta.ru/news/2009/11/25/mistral/

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    Re: Mistral News thread

    Post  Viktor on Thu Nov 26, 2009 9:46 am

    As we suspected Ka-32/52/60 will be based upon it.

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    Russia yet to decide on French warship deal - Putin!

    Post  Russian Patriot on Fri Nov 27, 2009 10:10 pm

    Russia yet to decide on French warship deal - Putin
    RIA Novosti

    27/11/200917:53

    RAMBOUILLET, November 27 (RIA Novosti) - Russia has yet to make a final decision on whether to buy a Mistral-class helicopter carrier from France, Prime Minister Vladimir Putin said on Friday.

    "No decision has yet been made on the purchase of a Mistral," he said.

    Asked whether he could guarantee the warships in question would not be used against Georgia, Putin said it was up to Russia to decide where or how to use its own weapons.

    Responding to the same question, French Prime Minister Francois Fillon said Mistral ships "mainly perform logistic functions."

    "We are currently in the final stages of negotiations with the Russian government," he said.

    Russia is seeking to buy one of the amphibious assault ships, worth 400-500 million euros, and the Mistral ship arrived in St. Petersburg on Monday to be shown off to military personnel and the public.

    A new warship could be built at the civil STX shipyard in France in partnership with the French naval shipbuilder DCNS.

    French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner said on October 1 that France would sell Russia a warship if the two countries were able to reach an agreement. He did not elaborate on what kind of political accord or agreement was involved.

    Russian Deputy Defense Minister Vladimir Popovkin said in late September that Russia was seeking technology to boost its shipbuilding industry by buying the ship.

    He added that Russian shipbuilders strongly opposed the deal.

    A Mistral-class ship is capable of transporting and deploying 16 helicopters, four landing barges, up to 70 vehicles including 13 battle tanks, and 450 soldiers. The vessel is equipped with a 69-bed hospital and can be used as an amphibious command ship.

    Gen. Nikolai Makarov, the chief of the Russian General Staff, said in August that Russia had plans to buy three or four ships of the same class to be jointly built in Russia.

    http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/russia/2009/russia-091127-rianovosti02.htm

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    Re: Mistral News thread

    Post  Russian Patriot on Mon Nov 30, 2009 11:59 pm

    What kind of ship do the Russian naval infantry need?

    RIA Novosti

    17:54 30/11/2009 MOSCOW. (RIA Novosti military commentator Ilya Kramnik) - November 27 is Russian Marines Day, which has been celebrated since 1996 in commemoration of the establishment of the first regiment of marines formed under a decree by Peter the Great on November 27, 1705.

    The first units designated for boarding and landing operations were formed in Russia in the 17th century - such a unit was stationed on the Oryol, the first Russian warship, which was built during the reign of Tsar Alexei Mikhailovich. Later, during the reign of Peter the Great, the Preobrazhensky and Semenovsky regiments of the Russian army were used as naval infantry during the Azov campaigns. And in 1705, when the Baltic Fleet was formed, the issue of establishing a permanent marine division was raised and resolved.

    In three centuries of history, the Russian naval infantry have distinguished themselves in a number of battles and military engagements - from skirmishes with Swedes during the Great Northern War to the Five Day War in August 2008.

    Today, there are five brigades of the Russian marines and a significant number of separate battalions and companies, including special operations units. The marines' main mission, as before, is conducting shore combat via amphibious landings, but now under contemporary conditions, this mission has been expanded significantly beyond its initial scope.

    What kinds of missions do the Russian naval infantry perform today? Apart from their main missions, which remain amphibious assault, marine units can be used in peacekeeping operations, taking on pirates, special operations in local conflicts in remote theaters of war and in escorting ships with highly valuable cargo and so on.

    To perform these missions, the naval infantry use various types of landing craft, armor, helicopters and other hardware, which generally do not differ from those of the land forces.

    There is currently much discussion in Russia about improving the navy's combat capabilities and specifically those of the marines by purchasing Mistral-class amphibious assault ships from France and building a series of such ships at Russian shipyards.

    On November 23, the Mistral itself arrived for a friendly visit to St. Petersburg, where a large number of Russian naval officers and experts experienced its capabilities and features first hand. On November 27, the Mistral departed for exercises with the Baltic Fleet, during which it was to execute deck landings using Russian helicopters, including Ka-52s.

    The assessment of the ship was to a great degree based on the results of these exercises, but naval experts were already able to make some conclusions after visiting the ship.

    In the opinion of military expert Mikhail Barabanov, the editor-in-chief of Moscow Defense Brief magazine, who personally inspected the ship, the Mistral is a "considered and balanced ship design that meets specific French requirements - an expeditionary ship for prolonged operations in remote waters, including use as a command ship, with minimal requirements for its own 'tactical component.'"

    The ship's designation is determined by its design - to keep costs down, it was built with commercial technology, with significantly lower requirements for durability and is reminiscent of a civilian cruise ship. The Mistral's weaponry is limited to two short-range missile launchers, two 30mm anti-aircraft guns and four heavy machine guns. Consequently, the ship needs a strong escort.

    The Mistral's landing potential is not extensive primarily because of its high standards of crew and troop comfort, which are based on the requirements of prolonged deployment.

    Nevertheless, the Mistral does have considerable capabilities for use as a command ship, floating hospital, base for peacekeeping operations and to provide aid in emergency situations.

    In general, the Mistral design would require extensive modification for Russian Navy use. It would need to provide for the deployment of Russian-made helicopters and to have its landing and air defense capabilities increased, taking into account the high probability that the ship would be used in serious armed conflicts (as compared with the French Navy's the missions).

    Considering the number of likely modifications to the design and their cost, the feasibility of purchasing Mistral-class vessels arises. There are several other ship designs of a similar class and a number of shipbuilding companies that are capable of rapidly adapting an existing design to specific requirements.

    We must not forget about the Russian Project 11780 universal amphibious assault ship design developed by the Nevsky Planning and Design Bureau in the 1980s. It stands to reason that this design is not ready for immediate production and would need extensive updating, but as distinct from the Mistral, this battleship was developed using more strict durability standards and consequently is capable of performing a wider range of operations if properly equipped.
    All in all, it may be advisable to hold a tender among leading foreign and domestic firms with the goal of identifying the project most appropriate for Russian conditions, with subsequent joint modification and implementation. In this regard, cooperation with foreign shipbuilders may be useful for the Russian industry, which would be able to increase its efficiency by making operational universal amphibious assault ships for the navy.

    The opinions expressed in this article are the author's and do not necessarily represent those of RIA Novosti.

    http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/russia/2009/russia-091130-rianovosti03.htm

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    Re: Mistral News thread

    Post  Vladimir79 on Wed Dec 02, 2009 1:02 pm

    Check these out guys...Ka-52 landing on Mistral!!




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    Re: Mistral News thread

    Post  sepheronx on Sun Dec 06, 2009 1:41 am

    Question: Can the KA-52 be equiped with Anti-ship missiles now? Or would it need an avionics upgrade in order to use them?

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    Post  Vladimir79 on Sun Dec 06, 2009 2:42 am

    Not really. None of our Helixes even have that capability. I suppose you could fit a couple Urans on it but it would require completely new fire control, uplinks, and nav-search radar. It isn't worth it since this is supposed to be a ground attack and spec ops bird.

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    Post  sepheronx on Sun Dec 06, 2009 8:35 am

    Vladimir79 wrote:Not really. None of our Helixes even have that capability. I suppose you could fit a couple Urans on it but it would require completely new fire control, uplinks, and nav-search radar. It isn't worth it since this is supposed to be a ground attack and spec ops bird.

    Then incase the ship is in danger from another ship, what will they use in order to take down the threat? Would the mistral be equipped with antiship missiles?

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    Post  Vladimir79 on Sun Dec 06, 2009 10:52 am

    sepheronx wrote:

    Then incase the ship is in danger from another ship, what will they use in order to take down the threat? Would the mistral be equipped with antiship missiles?

    Mistral would never operate alone. She would be accompanied by a Kirov BCG and or Slava CG. SSGNs would be around for more firepower I am sure. As more carriers come avialable, they would provide air cover. These ships are supposed to become mobile command centres thanks to their digital control networks.

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    Re: Mistral News thread

    Post  Vladimir79 on Tue Dec 08, 2009 7:03 pm

    Russia to decide on buying Mistral warship by yearend - military

    Russia will decide by the end of 2009 whether to purchase a Mistral class amphibious assault ship from France, the chief of Russia's General Staff said on Tuesday.

    The Russian military earlier announced it was considering buying one of the Mistral class ships, worth 400-500 million euros (around $600-$750 mln), and potentially build three or four vessels of the same class in partnership with the French naval shipbuilder DCNS.

    "We will make a final decision on the Mistral purchase by the end of this year," Gen. Nikolai Makarov said at a news conference.

    A Mistral-class ship is capable of transporting and deploying 16 helicopters, four landing barges, up to 70 vehicles including 13 battle tanks, and 900 soldiers. The vessel is equipped with a 69-bed hospital and can be used as an amphibious command ship.

    Many Russian military and industry experts have questioned the financial and military sense of the purchase.

    Russia's current weapons procurement program through 2015 does not envision construction or purchases of large combat ships, so the possible acquisition of a French Mistral class ship is most likely to happen under the new program for the years up to 2020, which is still under development.

    NIZHNY TAGIL (Urals), December 8 (RIA Novosti)

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    Re: Mistral News thread

    Post  Russian Patriot on Wed Dec 09, 2009 11:11 pm

    Russian Navy questions whether it needs French warship

    RIA Novosti

    09/12/200917:40

    MOSCOW, December 9 (RIA Novosti) - The Russian Navy is continuing discussions on whether to purchase a French warship, the Russian Defense Ministry said on Wednesday.

    The chief of the General Staff said on Tuesday that Russia would decide by the end of 2009 whether to purchase a Mistral class amphibious assault ship from France.

    "Specialists at different levels are currently studying the Mistral's specifications, as well as infrastructural and basing requirements for this class of warship," a ministry official told RIA Novosti.

    He said training operation, service and maintenance personnel following the ship's integration into the Russian Navy would demand extra attention.

    He also said that a final decision should be based on "a thorough assessment of the effectiveness of [French] technology in the framework of domestic shipbuilding program."

    Deputy Prime Minister Igor Sechin said in late November that Russia could build its own helicopter carrier on a par with the French Mistral-class warship, and that the Defense Ministry could contract the United Shipbuilding Corporation to build it.

    The Russian military earlier announced that it was considering buying one of the Mistral-class ships, worth 400-500 million euros (around $600-$750 mln), and potentially building three or four vessels of the same class in partnership with the French naval shipbuilder DCNS.

    A Mistral-class ship is capable of transporting and deploying 16 helicopters, four landing barges, up to 70 vehicles including 13 battle tanks, and 450 soldiers. The vessel is equipped with a 69-bed hospital and can be used as an amphibious command ship.

    Many Russian military and industry experts have questioned the financial and military sense of the purchase.

    Russia's current arms procurement program through 2015 does not provide for construction or purchases of large warships, so the acquisition of a French warship is more likely under a new program, through 2020, which has yet to be developed.



    http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/russia/2009/russia-091209-rianovosti02.htm

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    Post  Serbia Forever 2 on Wed Dec 09, 2009 11:23 pm

    I don't think Russia should buy this ship. Russia should use the money on it's air force or air defense. Navy should be the last focus. Or build their own ship, givening jobs to it's people, besides Russis makes better ships than France.

    Oh and Turck, Russia is not worse than West in every sector. Only some in navel sector. Russia overall though is the most powerful country on earth! russia

    Also it's building five new aircraft carriers! How many is Turkey building?

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    Post  Russian Patriot on Wed Dec 09, 2009 11:28 pm

    Serbia Forever 2 wrote:I don't think Russia should buy this ship. Russia should use the money on it's air force or air defense. Navy should be the last focus. Or build their own ship, givening jobs to it's people, besides Russis makes better ships than France.

    Oh and Turck, Russia is not worse than West in every sector. Only some in navel sector. Russia overall though is the most powerful country on earth! russia

    Also it's building five new aircraft carriers! How many is Turkey building?

    Serbia, I wouldn't start this dialouge with Turk , its useless! Save your time!

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    Post  Russian Patriot on Tue Jan 26, 2010 1:34 am

    Moscow could hold tender for helicopter carrier - source
    RIA Novosti
    22/12/200914:49
    MOSCOW, December 22 (RIA Novosti) - Russia could soon call a tender to buy a Mistral-class helicopter carrier, a defense industry source said on Tuesday.

    He said "companies from several countries" would participate in the tender, mentioning specifically France, The Netherlands, and Spain.

    He also said consultations were ongoing with France on the possible sale of a French warship.

    "The Russian side reiterated its position that it needs not just one warship but technology to enable it to build such ships at Russian shipyards," he said.

    He said consultations would continue not only with France but also with a number of other countries that had the relevant technology.

    The chief of the General Staff earlier said that Russia would decide by the end of 2009 whether to purchase a Mistral-class amphibious assault ship from France.

    The Defense Ministry has said a final decision should be based on "a thorough assessment of the effectiveness of [French] technology in the framework of domestic shipbuilding program."

    Industry officials have said it is "senseless and wrong" to speak of buying weapon systems for the Navy without obtaining appropriate advanced technology for their subsequent production in Russia.

    Deputy Prime Minister Igor Sechin said in late November that Russia could build its own helicopter carrier on a par with the French Mistral-class warship, and that the Defense Ministry could contract the United Shipbuilding Corporation to build it.

    The Russian military earlier announced that it was considering buying one of the Mistral-class ships, worth 400-500 million euros (around $600-$750 mln), and potentially building three or four vessels of the same class in partnership with the French naval shipbuilder DCNS.

    A Mistral-class ship is capable of transporting and deploying 16 helicopters, four landing barges, up to 70 vehicles including 13 battle tanks, and 450 soldiers. The vessel is equipped with a 69-bed hospital and can be used as an amphibious command ship.

    Many Russian military and industry experts have questioned the financial and military sense of the purchase.

    Russia's current arms procurement program through 2015 does not provide for construction or purchases of large warships, so the acquisition of a French warship is more likely under a new program, through 2020, which has yet to be developed.



    http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/russia/2009/russia-091222-rianovosti04.htm

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    Re: Mistral News thread

    Post  Russian Patriot on Tue Feb 09, 2010 1:33 am

    France approves sale of Mistral warship to Russia

    RIA Novosti

    08/02/201018:33

    PARIS/MOSCOW, February 8 (RIA Novosti) - France has agreed to sell Russia a Mistral-class amphibious assault ship and received an order to build another three, Radio France Internationale reported Monday.

    "It's no longer one command ship, but four," Jacques de Lajugie, head of international sales at the French Defense Ministry, was quoted as saying.

    He added, however, that the new order was being examined "on a technical level" and needed to be "vetted at a political level."

    Originally it was thought Russia would buy one of the vessels and build up to four more under license.

    Moscow has yet to officially confirm the agreement.

    The radio station said the report coincided with the Defense Ministry's announcement earlier on Monday that French arms sales reached 7.95 billion euros in 2009, 21% higher than 2008.

    Russian industry officials have said it would be "senseless and wrong" to speak of buying weapon systems for the Navy without obtaining appropriate advanced technology for their subsequent production in Russia.

    Deputy Prime Minister Igor Sechin said in late November that Russia could build its own helicopter carrier on a par with the Mistral-class warship, and that the Defense Ministry could contract the United Shipbuilding Corporation to build it.

    The Russian military earlier announced that it was considering buying one of the Mistral-class ships, worth 400-500 million euros (around $600-$750 million), and potentially building three or four vessels of the same class in partnership with the French naval shipbuilder DCNS.

    A Mistral-class ship is capable of transporting and deploying 16 helicopters, four landing barges, up to 70 vehicles including 13 battle tanks, and 450 soldiers. The vessel is equipped with a 69-bed hospital and can be used as an amphibious command ship.

    Many Russian military and industry experts have questioned the financial and military sense of the purchase.

    Russia's current arms procurement program through 2015 does not provide for construction or purchases of large warships, so the acquisition of the French warship is more likely under a new program, through 2020, which has yet to be finalized.

    http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/russia/2010/russia-100208-rianovosti01.htm

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    Post  Russian Patriot on Fri Feb 12, 2010 12:44 am

    Russia still weighing Mistral warship options - security chief

    RIA Novosti

    09/02/201016:45

    MOSCOW, February 9 (RIA Novosti) - The Russian leadership is still considering whether to buy a Mistral-class amphibious assault ship from France or to build a similar ship domestically, Russia's top security official said Tuesday.

    France said on Monday it had agreed to sell Russia a Mistral-class warship, worth 400-500 million euros (around $600-$750 million), despite concerns of some of Russia's former Soviet bloc allies, including those now in NATO, that the sale could threaten regional security.

    "We could build a ship of this class on our own, but this will take time, or we could buy it abroad, but it will cost a lot of money," Secretary of Russia's Security Council Nikolai Patrushev said at a news conference in RIA Novosti.

    "It would be premature to speculate now about which decision will be adopted, but both of them should be studied," Patrushev said.

    A source close to the Kremlin said on Tuesday the decision on Mistral would be taken on the highest political level in the near future, possibly before the visit of Russian President Dmitry Medvedev to France at the beginning of March.

    A Mistral-class ship is capable of transporting and deploying 16 helicopters, four landing barges, up to 70 vehicles including 13 battle tanks, and 450 soldiers. The vessel is equipped with a 69-bed hospital and can be used as an amphibious command ship.

    Despite strong opposition in the Russian defense industry, the military has insisted Russia needed Mistral-class warships to modernize its aging fleet of combat surface ships.

    "If a positive decision is taken, the first vessels of this class will be deployed in Russia Far East to strengthen the Pacific Fleet which has suffered the most in the 1990s due to the lack of funds for ship repairs," a Russian military source told RIA Novosti on Tuesday.

    The military has also said a Mistral-class warship would have allowed the Russian Navy to conduct a more efficient operation in the Black Sea during the Russia-Georgia war.

    However, some military experts say Russia has no need for such a vessel, and many believe that Russia simply wants to gain access to advanced naval technology that could be used in potential future conflicts with NATO and its allies.

    If the deal goes through, it would be the first sale of a major piece of military equipment by a NATO member to Russia.

    http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/russia/2010/russia-100209-rianovosti02.htm

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    Re: Mistral News thread

    Post  Russian Patriot on Fri Feb 12, 2010 12:46 am

    French president defends sale of Mistral warship to Russia

    RIA Novosti

    09/02/201012:47

    MOSCOW, February 9 (RIA Novosti) - French President Nicolas Sarkozy has defended his decision to allow the sale of a Mistral-class amphibious assault ship to Russia by saying it would not threaten regional security, the Daily Herald reported.

    The potential sale has alarmed some of Russia's former Soviet bloc allies, including those now in NATO, especially after the Russia-Georgia conflict over South Ossetia in August 2008.

    Sarkozy told U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates at a brief meeting on Monday that in his opinion the sale did not pose a military problem because Russia should be treated as a real partner.

    "One cannot expect Russia to behave as a partner if we don't treat it as one," Sarkozy said.

    Russia earlier announced that it was considering buying one of the Mistral-class ships, worth 400-500 million euros (around $600-$750 million), and potentially building three or four vessels of the same class in partnership with the French naval shipbuilder DCNS.

    A Mistral-class ship is capable of transporting and deploying 16 helicopters, four landing barges, up to 70 vehicles including 13 battle tanks, and 450 soldiers. The vessel is equipped with a 69-bed hospital and can be used as an amphibious command ship.

    The Russian military has claimed that a Mistral-class warship would have allowed the Russian Navy to conduct a more efficient operation in the Black Sea during the Russia-Georgia war.

    However, many experts believe that Russia simply wants to gain access to advanced naval technology that could be used in the future in potential conflicts with NATO and its allies.

    French Defense Minister Herve Morin said on Monday it was time to turn the page on Cold War-era antagonisms with Russia and start a new relationship with Moscow through new exchanges.

    If the deal goes through, it would be the first sale of a major piece of military equipment by a NATO member to Russia.

    http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/news/2010/02/mil-100209-rianovosti02.htm

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    Re: Mistral News thread

    Post  Russian Patriot on Thu Feb 18, 2010 10:42 pm

    France expects Russian decision soon on buying Mistral warship

    RIA Novosti

    18/02/201012:09

    NEW DELHI, February 18 (RIA Novosti) - French naval shipbuilder DCNS said on Thursday it expected to receive a final answer from Russia soon on buying a Mistral-class helicopter carrier.

    "The company is interested in cooperation with Russia. Now we are waiting only for a political decision. We believe we'll receive an answer from Moscow soon," Benoit de la Bigne, a DCNS executive, said.

    The Russian military earlier announced that it was considering buying one of the Mistral-class amphibious assault ships, worth 400-500 million euros (around $540-$675 mln), and potentially building three or four vessels of the same class in partnership with the French naval shipbuilder DCNS.

    A Mistral-class ship is capable of transporting and deploying 16 helicopters, four landing barges, up to 70 vehicles including 13 battle tanks, and 450 soldiers. The vessel is equipped with a 69-bed hospital and can be used as an amphibious command ship.

    Many Russian military and industry experts have questioned the financial and military sense of the purchase.

    Russia's current arms procurement program through 2015 does not provide for the construction or purchases of large warships, so the acquisition of a French warship is more likely under a new program, through 2020, which has yet to be developed.

    The executive also said that India was displaying interest as well in buying a Mistral-class warship.

    http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/russia/2010/russia-100218-rianovosti02.htm

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    Re: Mistral News thread

    Post  Russian Patriot on Sat Feb 27, 2010 11:59 pm

    Russia to use Mistral-class carrier as command ship - source

    RIA Novosti

    26/02/201013:24

    MOSCOW, February 26 (RIA Novosti) - If Moscow buys a Mistral-class helicopter carrier from France, it will be used principally as an amphibious command ship, a Russian Defense Ministry source said on Friday.

    The official said the Mistral was basically a "force projection" command ship for various task groups or combined-arms forces operating at sea.

    He stressed that from the Russian Navy's perspective, the ship's capability for amphibious assault operations is an important but not principal function.

    The Russian military earlier announced that it was considering buying one of the Mistral-class amphibious assault ships, worth 400-500 million euros (around $540-$675 million), and potentially building three or four vessels of the same class in partnership with the French naval shipbuilder DCNS. The French government has approved the sale but Russia has not yet made a final decision.

    There are concerns that Russia could use the warship for amphibious assault operations against Georgia, and the Russian military has said such a vessel would have allowed the Russian Navy to conduct a more efficient operation in the Black Sea during the August 2008 Russia-Georgia war

    Speaking in London on February 18, Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili criticized the French authorities for approving the possible sale to Russia.

    A Mistral-class ship is capable of transporting and deploying 16 helicopters, four landing barges, up to 70 armored vehicles including 13 battle tanks, and 450 personnel.

    Many Russian military and industry experts have questioned the financial and military sense of the purchase, and some believe that Russia simply wants to gain access to advanced naval technology that could be used in the future in potential conflicts with NATO and its allies.

    http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/russia/2010/russia-100226-rianovosti04.htm

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