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    Re: Mistral News thread

    Post  Austin on Sun Aug 15, 2010 4:04 am

    I think the decision to go for Mistral class ships was a political decision by Putin, it was also a decision that was more led by desire to introduce Western Management in Ship Building and Modular Ship building techniques , plus a desire to buy European ships to build friendly relations with countries in Europe who do not look at Russia from Cold War prism.

    I am certain a most cost effective and cheaper options were available from Soko or Russian Ship building yards if it was just a question of building ships.

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    Post  GarryB on Sun Aug 15, 2010 6:52 am

    I think the decision to go for Mistral class ships was a political decision by Putin, it was also a decision that was more led by desire to introduce Western Management in Ship Building and Modular Ship building techniques

    Currently the best managed and most efficent ship builders in the world are the South Koreans. I got that from Jonesy at the Keypub forum, and he should know.
    The Russians are getting a naval port built from scratch by South Korea with ship building facilities designed their way, so there is not really a huge reason to buy French.

    Based on my understanding of things the Russian Navy is not in a great state, but at least their C4I stuff seems to be better sorted with a system called Sigma or something that manages the undersea, sea surface, and air situation, much like AEGIS did in the 1980s. These systems cooperate with other ships to form a shared picture and allow orders to pass between ships, so in that sense they are miles ahead of the Russian Army in terms of C4I systems. Obviously the Army is moving forward, as is the Navy, but I wonder how easily this French system will integrate into the existing Russian system.

    Here is info about the South Korean shipyard built in Russia:
    http://www.russiadefence.net/russian-naval-forces-f4/new-shipyard-being-built-in-far-east-russia-t861.htm

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    Re: Mistral News thread

    Post  Austin on Sun Aug 15, 2010 7:02 pm

    GarryB wrote:Currently the best managed and most efficent ship builders in the world are the South Koreans. I got that from Jonesy at the Keypub forum, and he should know.
    The Russians are getting a naval port built from scratch by South Korea with ship building facilities designed their way, so there is not really a huge reason to buy French.

    The reason is both Strategic and ability to absorb modern ship building technique and management from West , no doubt South Korea are realy good and top out there but there is nothing wrong in assimilating the best from West and East and then improvise it for your own needs.

    I think this is more of Putin personal initiative with support from General Staff to build a bridge with friendly country in West ( france,germany,italy ) and develop defence relationship.

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    Post  GarryB on Mon Aug 16, 2010 2:33 am

    The amount of cooperation with France means that even if the South Korean ship was a better ship it might almost be worth buying the French ship anyway.
    Unfortunately I haven't really looked into the capabilities of this Korean ship so I really don't know whether it would be better suited or not.
    Vlad mentioned that the SK ship uses Thales tech, but if it has lots of US technology in it then that might be more of a problem.
    No disrespect meant at all Austin, but the whole point of this purchase is to gain proven tested vessels into service quickly... there is no point starting to look at other designs now, because an evaluation period would probably lead to a number of other options too and the time all this takes means an all Russian proposal might be possible so after 10-15 years of humming and thinking about it you end up wasting a lot of time and spending a lot of money and have not ships enter service at all.
    Seal the deal this year, get the ships into production ASAP and into service and then the Russian ship designers can start thinking about what they can do in 10 years time to give them a thorough upgrade and also perhaps integrate some of the design solutions on it into their own existing designs if they warrant it.
    As far as I know they are working on a new missile system to replace the Klinok (the naval TOR missile) with a missile with an active homing seeker, or maybe even a combined active radar and IIR seeker that can be a fire and forget system as this would greatly increase the systems capacity to engage multiple targets at once.
    Of course the units this vessel will carry will probably also include air defence vehicles, some of which could be parked on the deck to add to the defence, and of course such a vessel will never operate alone without support.
    It will most likely start out life with KASHTAN-M systems and probably MANPADS and perhaps a few cannon mounts in 23mm or 30mm. Knowing the Russian navy they might even have a few artillery rocket launchers like the A-22 140mm rocket launchers used to bombard landing areas. Of course its range is only about 4.5km so then again they might not because they probably don't want to deploy the ship that close to the conflict zone. If they are going to use those landing ships they might as well park the Mistrals well off shore away from land based artillery etc.

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    Post  Russian Patriot on Sat Aug 21, 2010 12:03 am


    France unfazed by Russian tender, Mistral talks ongoing
    RIA Novosti

    15:47 20/08/2010

    PARIS, August 20 (RIA Novosti) - Paris is continuing negotiations with Moscow on the purchase of a Mistral-class warship and is not concerned about Russia's decision to call a tender for the construction of two helicopter carriers, a spokeswoman for the French presidential administration said on Friday.

    "France has no cause for concern over the current developments and negotiations are ongoing," she said.

    Russia is holding talks with France on the purchase of Mistral-class warships on a 2+2 scheme whereby Russia will buy one or two French-built Mistrals and build another two under license at home.

    The presidential spokeswoman said the Elysee Palace would not comment on the possibility of France participating in the Russian tender.

    Earlier on Friday, Russian Defense Minister Serdyukov said the ministry had announced an international tender for the construction of two amphibious assault ships.

    He said the Mistral manufacturer could participate in the tender, which will take place in September.

    The results of the tender will be announced before the end of the year.

    On Thursday, business daily Kommersant said Russia's United Shipbuilding Corporation (USC) was set to bid with three shipyards including Zvezda Shipbuilding Company in the Russian Far East, St. Petersburg's Admiralteyskiye Verfi shipyard and the Yantar shipyard in Russia's Baltic exclave of Kaliningrad.

    At the end of August, a French delegation is expected to visit the Yantar shipyard to look into the possibility of building Mistral-class ships there.

    http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/russia/2010/russia-100820-rianovosti01.htm

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    Post  Vladimir79 on Sat Sep 04, 2010 10:38 am

    Maritime Defence: Russians still prefer the Mistral
    Defense Friday, September 3, 2010

    That should reassure employees of STX yard in Saint Nazaire. The Russian ambassador to France, Alexander Orlov, J. "quite likely" that his country buys helicopter carrier type Mistral in France.

    The diplomat has this confidence this afternoon on board the Russian nuclear cruiser Pyotr Velikiy, currently stop at Brest. The "intense negotiations" have been held since March. "This whole case should be closed before the end of the year."

    Two ships were built in Saint-Nazaire, two licensed in Russia. The Russian command would be good news for the Saint-Nazaire shipyard, the plan still very low load.

    Remains that, during August, Moscow launched an international tender for the acquisition of helicopter carriers. The announcement appeared to mean a questioning of the Russian preference for Mistral. The ambassador says he is not. " Given the amount of the market, the Russian legislation imposed upon us to launch a tender. This has been done. "

    However, the Russians do not want to buy an "empty shell". "There must necessarily transfer technology, said the ambassador. Today is the case in all arms contracts. "

    In support of its contention, the diplomat cited the example of the proposed sale of Rafale fighter jets from France to Brazil. Russia wants, too, enjoy a "privileged partnership".

    France holds the rope always even if other actors, such as Koreans, mingle in the game "We have historic links which often favor the choice of France", said the diplomat.

    http://www.ouest-france.fr/ofdernmin_-Defense-maritime-les-Russes-preferent-toujours-le-Mistral_42314-1497834-pere-bre_filDMA.Htm

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    Re: Mistral News thread

    Post  Austin on Sat Sep 04, 2010 10:50 am

    Purchasing the Mistral is an expensive mistake , they would be rather invest the ~ $3 billion deal in their Frigate/Destroyer program and in submarines.

    I am not sure there is any thing great about Mistral other then its french and expensive.

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    Post  Vladimir79 on Sat Sep 04, 2010 10:15 pm

    It is more like $2 billion. Considering we have never used an aircraft carrier in combat operations, yet used LPDs just two years ago... what is more useful? We won't buy it without ToT, and that includes the combat management system and radar. Only place we can hope to get that is France.

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    Post  GarryB on Sun Sep 05, 2010 3:19 am

    To be honest I think Russia could use both.

    They are totally different types of vessels (helicopter landing craft and aircraft carriers).

    The amount of money the Russian navy will be spending you really need to protect that investment. The best way to protect ships and subs is with aircraft... fast, can deliver long range blows quickly, flexible, and of course extend your vision so that a surprise attack is less likely.

    The best way to sink ships is with airpower, and the best way to stop airpower is with airpower.

    The Mistrals represent a practically global reach for Russias naval infantry, now that can be for military use or for other purposes. Disaster relief with a large carrier that is filled with transport helos and trucks and pallets of aide instead of attack helos and tanks makes it very flexible.
    I am sure the Russians could have done a lot of good in Myanmar during the aftermath of the cyclone that hit it in 2008. Such disaster relief work is made easier with lots of helos... Russia sending two Mistrals would have made a huge difference and might have resulted in a few purchases of military equipment by Myanmar, and also likely closer ties... not to mention lots of people could have been saved.

    For Russia having a global reach is important when making allies and in trade relations. It is not all about bullying, it is more about reassurance.

    It is the reason the British were able to use force to take back the Falkland islands... if Argentina had waited 5 years the British government probably would have scrapped all their carriers or sold them to Australia.

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    Re: Mistral News thread

    Post  Austin on Sun Sep 05, 2010 7:09 am

    Vladimir79 wrote:It is more like $2 billion. Considering we have never used an aircraft carrier in combat operations, yet used LPDs just two years ago... what is more useful? We won't buy it without ToT, and that includes the combat management system and radar. Only place we can hope to get that is France.

    Each Mistral costs ~ 700 million dollar so its like ~ 2.8 billion dollar.

    And the TOT is all a myth , they are not going to sell any technology for CMS or Radar.The Western Electronics , CMC , Engine Managements etc takes many billion dollars to develop and they cannot sell these stuff.At best Russia can license produce some component if its economically feasible to do so.

    Mistral will certainly come with western CMS, Radar ,IPMS, Engine ....Which means Russian will have to depend on France all through out its life cycle for maintenance,spares and support. Which will make Mistral operating cost higher through out its life.

    What Russian shipbuilder can certainly learn from Western yard through this deal is Western Ship Building Technique and Western Style Management , besides train manpower in doing this but a very expensive way to achieve it.

    All in All a bad military deal , the only reason why they could have gone for this is purely political decision from Highest Level in a move to improve relations with Russias few friends in Europe.

    A better option would have been for Russian Shipbuilder to design a LPD if required with Western Consulting Assistance with Russian CMS , Engine , Electronics,Weapons,Radars etc and then engage Western/French builders on consulting basis to help them in developing their weak areas and engage them in learning Shipbuilding Technique and management on need to known basis.

    This way its cheaper then building a Western Design in Western Yard and weak areas can be improved by engaging Western SY on consulting basis and Russia can included as many home built components and electronics


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    Re: Mistral News thread

    Post  GarryB on Mon Sep 06, 2010 3:28 am

    The Soviets got a licence to produce the Rolls Royce Nene and the RR Derwent engines in 1945. I don't recall the Soviets becoming dependant on the British for jet engines.

    The simple matter is that the Russians are a bit out of touch, so getting a new system to work on will stimulate their own talents and capacities and allow them to continue development themselves.
    The Russians have their own needs and wants and these will be different from the needs and wants of NATO, which is what Mistral was developed for (as well as French Interests).
    Just because Russia buys French Mistrals does not mean that they will be dependant on France.

    The Russian Navy has already mentioned an interest in high altitude aerostats for operating radars in the upper atmosphere for surveillance... there is no reason why they couldn't develop such a system to operate from the rear of a Mistral for example.
    It is a helo carrier but there is no reason why they couldn't operate a high altitude UAV from it either for AEW use or for many other uses.
    They are not part of NATO and are not bound by France as to what they can do with these ships. During an upgrade they might decide to make them nuclear powered to extend their deployment capability, they might replace much of the western electronics with newer Russian stuff in 15 years time.
    A big ship has a much longer life than a smaller vessel.

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    Post  Russian Patriot on Sat Sep 18, 2010 2:27 am


    Russian helicopter carrier tender to be announced 'in near future'

    RIA Novosti

    09:58 17/09/2010 MOSCOW, September 17 (RIA Novosti) - A tender for the construction and purchase of helicopter carriers for the Russian Navy will be announced in the next few weeks, a highly placed source in the military industrial complex said on Friday.

    Russian Defense Minister Anatoly Serdyukov said on August 20 the ministry was preparing to announce an international tender for the construction of two amphibious assault ships and that the results of the tender would be announced before the end of the year.

    "A tender for the purchase of Mistral type helicopter carriers is set to be announced in the nearest future. This is likely to happen at the end of September or at the beginning of October," the official said.

    He said specialists from the military industrial complex were preparing the necessary documents with the assistance of international lawyers.

    Earlier Serdyukov said that both Russian and foreign companies, as well as the Mistral manufacturer itself, would participate in the tender.

    Meanwhile, Paris is continuing negotiations with Moscow on the purchase of a Mistral-class warship on a 2+2 scheme whereby Russia will buy one or two French-built Mistrals and build another two under license at home.

    The Mistral class ship is capable of transporting and deploying 16 helicopters, four landing barges, up to 70 armored vehicles including 13 battle tanks, and 450 personnel.

    http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/russia/2010/russia-100917-rianovosti02.htm

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    Post  Russian Patriot on Fri Oct 15, 2010 2:00 am


    Russia could buy helicopter carriers by yearend - military chief
    RIA Novosti

    16:52 14/10/2010

    MOSCOW, October 14 (RIA Novosti) - Russia could sign a contract on the purchase of multipurpose helicopter carriers by the end of 2010, the chief of Russia's Armed Forces General Staff said on Thursday.

    Russia is expected to hold an international tender on the construction of helicopter carriers for its Navy in the near future.

    "Whoever is going to offer a better ship, shorter construction time frame and cheaper price, will be the winner [of the tender]. The contract could be signed by the end of this year," Gen. Nikolai Makarov said.

    Makarov added that France, the Netherlands and Spain will be invited to participate in the tender. They will compete with Russia's United Shipbuilding Company.

    Experts believe that a French Mistral class amphibious assault ship is most likely to win the tender.

    Moscow has been in talks with Paris on the purchase of a Mistral class warship on a 2+2 scheme whereby Russia will buy one or two French-built Mistrals and build another two under license domestically.

    The Mistral class ship is capable of transporting and deploying 16 helicopters, four landing barges, up to 70 armored vehicles including 13 battle tanks, and 450 personnel.

    http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/russia/2010/russia-101014-rianovosti03.htm

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    Post  Vladimir79 on Thu Oct 21, 2010 7:19 am

    Nobody is able to prevent the acquisition of Russia UDC type "Mistral" - N. Makarov

    BELGRADE, October 20. (ITAR-TASS). Nobody is able to prevent the acquisition of Russian amphibious assault ship (UDC) of the "Mistral", said Chief of General Staff of Russian Armed Forces Nikolai Makarov.

    Asked about the fact that some foreign governments are now actively trying to prevent the implementation of the deal, he said that Russia has a clear position on this matter.

    "Each country is free to do as she pleases, but we have Russia and France, have very definite commitment to each other.

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    Post  IronsightSniper on Thu Oct 21, 2010 11:53 am

    Interesting to note Russia and France's relations at a high, maybe we'll see a war in 2014...

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    Post  Vladimir79 on Tue Oct 26, 2010 9:14 am

    RIA Novosti reporting that the winner will be selected at Euronaval in France.

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    Post  Austin on Tue Oct 26, 2010 11:10 am

    France ready to deliver helicopter carrier with transfer of technologies

    France's shipbuilder DCNS announced on Tuesday it is ready to deliver Mistral class helicopter carriers to Russia with built-in domestic navigation technologies.

    "There are no restrictions [in the transfer of technology]," DCNS Director Pierre Legros told RIA Novosti.

    The technology is French-made, a spokesman for the French Navy, Hugues du Plessis d'Argentre, said.

    Russia and France are currently in talks on a so-called 2+2 scheme, whereby Russia will buy one or two French-built Mistrals and build another two at home. The contract is expected to be inked before the end of the year.

    Legros said he did not rule out that Russia could build four Mistrals.

    He added that the French-built Mistrals under the contract will be different from their domestic analogues.

    They will have thicker take-off decks and firmer hulls so as to avoid breakage when navigating through ice.

    The winner of a Russian tender to deliver the Mistrals will be announced after November 4, Legros added.

    "We are ready to receive the contract from November 4... and complete construction in 36 months," he said.

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    Post  Austin on Mon Nov 29, 2010 2:57 pm

    Wikileaks shows Gates opposed Mistral deal with Russia

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    The United States also leaned hard on France to refrain from sale of a French helicopter carrier to Russia, Wikileaks reported.

    According to a secret cable posted on the whistleblowing website, U.S. Secretary of Defense Robert Gates held a meeting with then French Foreign Minister Herve Morin in February in Paris, where they discussed the possible sale of a Mistral-class helicopter carrier to Russia.

    Gates, an expert on the Soviet Union and a former CIA chief, “raised US concerns over the sale of a Mistral-class helicopter carrier to Russia as sending a mixed signal to both Russia and our Central and East European Allies.”

    Minister Morin told Gates he understood the U.S. concerns, but argued that “this single ship would not make any difference with respect to Russian capabilities, as Russia's naval production ability was severely degraded.”

    Gates also described Russia to Morin in blunt terms, saying that “Russian democracy has disappeared and the government was an oligarchy run by the security services.”

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    Post  GarryB on Tue Nov 30, 2010 4:56 am

    Gates is clearly an expert on the Soviet Union shame he is still stuck in the cold war.

    Gates also described Russia to Morin in blunt terms, saying that “Russian democracy has disappeared and the government was an oligarchy run by the security services.”

    The irony is that he could be talking about the US.US democracy has disappeared ad the government is under the control of big business and is run by the banking system like goldman sachs. They own the media and their enormous contributions to the only two political parties in the US means it doesn't matter which party has control of any part of the US government the policies seem very much the same.


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    Post  Russian Patriot on Thu Dec 09, 2010 9:36 pm


    France hopes to complete Mistral deal with Russia soon
    RIA Novosti

    03:23 08/12/2010

    PARIS, December 8 (RIA Novosti) - The French government hopes to complete a deal to sell two Mistral helicopter carriers to Russia soon, a French government spokesman said.

    Russia's United Shipbuilding Corporation (USC) and France's shipbuilder DCNS signed an agreement last month to form a consortium, in a move that may bring the pending helicopter carrier deal closer to completion. The consortium is the most likely winner of a Russian tender to build two Mistral-class helicopter carriers.

    "The negotiations are underway, they are making good progress and we are optimistic," the spokesman said. "I think both sides are determined to pursue the goals set by Presidents Dmitry Medvedev and Nicolas Sarkozy in March."

    The French official added that no decisions on Mistral are expected to be made during French Prime Minister Francois Fillon's visit to Moscow on Wednesday.

    Russia and France are currently in talks on a 2+2 scheme, whereby Russia will buy one or two French-built Mistrals and build another two at home. The contract is expected to be inked before the end of the year.

    http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/russia/2010/russia-101208-rianovosti05.htm

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    Post  Russian Patriot on Fri Dec 17, 2010 2:55 am


    Mistral deal seals Russia-France special relationship
    RIA Novosti

    20:17 15/12/2010 RIA Novosti military commentator Ilya Kramnik - The general purpose Mistral-class amphibious assault ship (LHA) has been officially declared the winner of a tender held by Russia's Defense Ministry, Chief of the General Staff Nikolai Makarov told reporters. No one expected any other result - the purchase of this Mistral-class LHA, licensed to be built in Russia, is more of a political move, part of the special Russia-France relationship, than it is a defense technology decision.

    Long history

    The issue of purchasing a Mistral-class LHA was first raised early in 2009. In fall 2010, the Defense Ministry opened a tender for just such a ship. Initially, the ministry planned to acquire one Mistral-class ship and then, with French assistance, to build three more at Russian yards under license. The final terms of this future contract are not being revealed as yet, but it is known that France put a different proposal on the table - two ships to be built at French yards and two in Russia.

    The contract will be a definite landmark on the global arms market. First, because of its price - building four ships is set to cost over 1.5 billion euros, and, secondly, because Russia has, until now, been avoiding such large foreign military purchases, only sourcing components and technologies abroad.

    One of the main reasons why the ministry turned to overseas suppliers is, many experts hold, the far from ideal condition of Russia's shipbuilding research, development and production sector, which, following the collapse seen in the 1990s and early 2000s, does not have the capacity to design and build ships in the required quantities on a fast turnaround. This situation can and must be remedied, but this remedy will take a long time, while time is the very thing that Russia's aging fleet lacks.

    The overwhelming majority of ships in service are to be written off in the next 10 to 15 years, while the lead time for a new ship is no less than 10 years.

    In some cases, Russia already has new projects for the construction of lead ships and is planning to launch series production. In this instance, however, Russia does not have a ready-made project for a ship of this class - Project 11780 was drawn up 25 years ago, has aged badly and is desperately in need of renovation. If this decision is made now, the earliest the navy will receive a lead ship will be 2020, while if the contract is concluded before yearend, a French ship could join the fleet as early as 2014. By 2020, one or two Russian-built ships would also be available.

    Where will the Mistral serve?

    It looks likely that the first ships of this class will be supplied to the Pacific fleet. The Defense Ministry also mentioned such plans, and reliable sources suggest that the basic infrastructure for these ships is under preparation in the Far East.

    The deployment of this kind of vessel to the Pacific has every justification. The Asia-Pacific Region is increasingly becoming the focus of attention for the world's leading countries. It is the center of interests for such key players as Russia, the United States, China, Japan and India, because it concentrates the world's fastest developing economies and almost half the planet's population.

    Clearly, naval theaters of operation, above all near Africa and South East Asia, will only gain in importance over the next few years as maritime trade, shelf development and fisheries all expand. The significance of oceans adjoining Russia is also set to increase - especially in the Far East, where the economic potential of local waters and shelf exists in close proximity with inter-governmental disputes - primarily over the Korean peninsula and regarding the Kuril Islands.

    Stationed near the Kurils, a Mistral and similar ships could serve as a mobile base, providing effective support for troops stationed on remote islands. The equipment carried by a Mistral-class vessel can provide effective guidance to a disparate array of forces, even including ground units.

    In addition, a Mistral-class ship can, like other ships in the same class, fulfill a wide range of other duties: from anti-piracy operations to search-and-rescue missions. A squadron of warships led by an LHA is capable of engaging in a low intensity localized conflict by landing troops and supporting them from the sea and air.

    Not Mistral alone

    The Mistral's value lies not so much in the ship itself as in the technology involved both in its construction and in upgrading Russia's shipbuilding by adopting new processes, equipment, etc. In this context, the clauses of the contract specifying the nature of French assistance take on particular weight. This assistance is described in some considerable detail, down to the precise number of workers and engineers to undergo training in France and the improvements to be made at shipyards selected to construct the Russian LHA.

    According to the available information, St. Petersburg's Baltiisky Zavod (Baltic Shipyard) will build ships under French license. The Sevmash shipyard in Severodvinsk is overstretched as it is, and Russia has no other shipyards with the capacity to build ships of this size and displacement.

    The purchase of a Mistral-class LHA seals the future of Baltiisky Zavod. It is clear that the construction of a series of LHAs rules out the relocation of the yard from Vasilyevsky Island to the other bank of the Neva River at least in the next ten years. In the long term, this issue is likely to be solved by upgrading.
    The views expressed in this article are the author's and do not necessarily represent those of RIA Novosti.

    http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/news/2010/12/mil-101215-rianovosti04.htm

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    Post  Vladimir79 on Fri Dec 17, 2010 1:03 pm

    Take a virtual tour of Mistral BPC... pretty cool

    http://jdb.marine.defense.gouv.fr/SERVEUR/index.html

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    Post  Vladimir79 on Fri Dec 24, 2010 10:58 am

    French DCNS to supply Russia four UDC

    MOSCOW, Dec. 23. (ARMS-TASS). French shipbuilding association DCNS, producing a series of ships "Mistral," concluded the agreement with Russia on the delivery of four amphibious assault ships (UDC). This was reported by Dow Jones, "referring to the publication in the French newspaper La Tribune."

    The contract is estimated at 2 billion euros, said the newspaper citing a source close to the negotiations, and another source in the French embassy in Moscow.

    Two of the four helicopter will be built in France, others - in St. Petersburg, leads the PRIME-TASS data "Tribune."

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    Looks like France got exactly what they wanted.

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    Post  GarryB on Sat Dec 25, 2010 3:32 am

    And Russia has got what it needed too.

    These vessels... although they are called helicopter carriers would actually form the command core of a battle group use to secure islands like the Kuril Islands.

    The investment in them shows the Russians will defend a naval attack in the Pacific whether it comes from China or Japan.

    At the end of the day the main focus was getting these vessels into service quickly and this is what is happening. Any follow on class will not be needed for some time but when they are needed the quality of ship building in Russia should have improved to the point where external sources are not even considered.

    Not going to happen over night, but this is a step in the right direction.


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    Post  Russian Patriot on Tue Dec 28, 2010 9:58 pm


    Lithuanian defense minister says Russian-French warship deal 'mistake'

    RIA Novosti

    04:56 28/12/2010

    VILNIUS, December 28 (RIA Novosti) - Lithuanian National Defense Minister Rasa Jukneviciene said France's decision to build Mistral-class helicopter carriers jointly with Russia was 'a mistake.'

    A consortium comprising French DCNS and Russia's United Shipbuilding Corporation (USC) won a tender last week to build amphibious assault ships for Russia. At the initial stage, two Mistral-class helicopter carriers will be built jointly by France and Russia with another two to be constructed later in Russia.

    "I think this is a mistake. I assess [the situation] mainly from the political point of view, not from the military one. It's clear that two ships are unable to cause a serious shift in the balance of forces in this region, but it sets up a precedent when a member state of NATO and the EU sells offensive weapons to a third country," she said.

    Russia has been in talks with France on the purchase of Mistral-class warships on a 2+2 scheme whereby Russia will buy one or two French-built Mistrals and build another two under license at home.

    A Mistral-class ship is capable of transporting and deploying 16 helicopters, four landing vessels, up to 70 armored vehicles including 13 battle tanks, and 450 personnel.

    The Russian military has said it plans to use Mistral ships in its Northern and Pacific fleets.

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