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    Re: Russia's enemy countries

    Post  TR1 on Sun Jul 22, 2012 3:20 am

    Things have been pretty good with Turkey as of "late", and ties continue growing.
    I think we can cross Turkey off the enemy country list now.

    Poland isn't an enemy either really, just eternally butthurt. >Very Happy

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    Post  flamming_python on Sun Jul 22, 2012 9:22 pm

    Yes the Imperial and following it, the Cold War period are now all over - and simply put Russia and Turkey have absolutely no reason to be enemies anymore. Both sides realise that they have a lot more to gain in terms of fulfilling their regional interests - if they co-operate with each other. It's true that Turkey opportunistically decided to side with the US, EU and Gulf Arabs in Syria.. but that was mostly because they were afraid of losing influence there when/if Assad falls. Now though, they are going to be left with even bigger problems as a result of this mess, and this could push them into closer partnership with Russia again.

    As for Poland - relations have improved, and on a people-to-people level there are very few problems, aside from some nationalists and football hooligans the average Pole and Russian make excellent drinking buddies, and all that malarky. The problem is though is that they are still a rival, or rather the pawn of a rival, and behind the improved fascades and so on - stands out Komorovski's comment a few months back, ahead of the Euro cup in Ukraine/Poland. When the scandal happened with Timoshenko, and many European leaders resolved not to show up at the games; the Polish president wasted no time pointing out that such actions would inevitably push the Ukraine back into the arms of Russia, and should be avoided. So no 20 questions needed in order to ascertain the true dynamics in this region - Poland views Russia as a threat and I suspect it will do until Russia simply gains absolute superiority. A Polish-Russian rivalry cannot last long, and never has - the balance of power is far too much to Russia's side; even considering their EU and US support.

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    Re: Russia's enemy countries

    Post  GarryB on Mon Jul 23, 2012 7:20 am

    Yes, I remember discussions about the US ABM system in Europe and the Polish leader of the time was basically saying that having this US system in their country would finally free them of the threat of Russia... in other words when they had US troops there Russia would never try anything... which is amusing to me... if Russia really was that way inclined they could easily have absorbed the 'stans back into some for of union with Russia at the head... at one time or another they all looked to Russia for leadership during the 1990s, and of course there was little standing in Russias way if it wanted regime change in Georgia on multiple occasions through the 1990s and more recently.

    The big bad land grabbing bear that wants to invade countries and take them over just doesn't exist... and in my mind... considering the countries that hold such fears like Poland and England and the US it is very hipocritcial to call Russians different... in fact the fact that Russia doesn't keep expanding and assimilating like the Borg actually does make them quite different from the Brits and the Americans... but in a good way.


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    Re: Russia's enemy countries

    Post  George1 on Mon Jul 23, 2012 10:54 pm

    Polish–Russian War
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    Wars fought between Poland (including the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth) and Russia (including the Soviet Union) include

    Name Results
    1 Kiev Expedition (1018), Polish victory
    2 Livonian War (1558–1583), Polish-Swedish-Dano-Norwegian victory
    3 Polish-Muscovite War (1605–1618), Polish victory
    4 Smolensk War (1632–1634), Polish victory
    5 Russo-Polish War (1654–1667), Russian victory
    6 War of the Polish Succession (1733–1735), Indeterminate
    7 Bar Confederation (1768–1776), Russian victory
    8 Polish–Russian War of 1792, Russian victory
    9 Kościuszko Uprising (1794), Russian victory
    10 November Uprising (1830–1831), Russian victory
    11 January Uprising (1863), Russian victory
    12 Polish–Soviet War (1919–1921), Polish victory
    13 Soviet invasion of Poland (1939), Russian (Soviet) victory

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    Re: Russia's enemy countries

    Post  George1 on Mon Jul 23, 2012 10:56 pm

    The Russo-Turkish wars were a series of wars fought between the Russian Empire and the Ottoman Empire during the 16th, 17th, 18th, 19th and 20th centuries. It was one of the longest conflicts in European history.

    List of conflicts
    Name Results
    1 Russo-Turkish War (1568–1570) Russian victory
    2 Russo-Turkish War (1571–1574) First phase, Ottoman victory Second phase, Russian victory
    3 Russo-Turkish War (1676–1681) Ottoman victory
    4 Russo-Turkish War (1686–1700) Russian victory
    5 Russo-Turkish War (1710–1711) Ottoman victory
    6 Russo-Austrian-Turkish War (1735–1739) Draw at Russian front, Austrian defeat
    7 Russo-Turkish War (1768–1774) Russian victory
    8 Russo-Turkish War (1787–1792) Russian victory
    9 Russo-Turkish War (1806–1812) Russian victory
    10 Russo-Turkish War (1828–1829) Russian victory
    11 Crimean War (1853–1856) British, French, and Ottoman victory
    12 Russo-Turkish War (1877–1878) Russian victory
    13 World War I: Caucasus Campaign (1914–1918) Collapse of both empires

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    Post  George1 on Tue Jul 24, 2012 12:30 am

    China
    1929 Sino–Soviet conflict Victory
    1934 Soviet invasion of Xinjiang Victory
    1969 Sino–Soviet border conflict Indecisive

    Empire of Japan
    1904-05 Russo-Japanese War Defeat
    1932-39 Soviet–Japanese Border Wars Victory
    1945 Soviet–Japanese War Victory

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    Re: Russia's enemy countries

    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Mon Aug 13, 2012 8:00 pm

    Well the Scandinavian, baltic countries are as antirussian as it can get. Georgia is very butthurt now so we can get them easily in the list. We can include Romania, Moldova(although theyre in CIS)and the west slavic nations. All the countries i mentioned are the some of the most notorious buttlickers the USA has. Oh and I forgot our Bulgarian US puppet government. In south America it appears that Russia has little or none enemies. in Asia Its most likely the philipenes and south Korea.

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    Post  flamming_python on Mon Aug 13, 2012 9:32 pm

    KomissarBojanchev wrote:Well the Scandinavian, baltic countries are as antirussian as it can get. Georgia is very butthurt now so we can get them easily in the list. We can include Romania, Moldova(although theyre in CIS)and the west slavic nations. All the countries i mentioned are the some of the most notorious buttlickers the USA has. Oh and I forgot our Bulgarian US puppet government. In south America it appears that Russia has little or none enemies. in Asia Its most likely the philipenes and south Korea.

    Scandinavia; well Norway has quite warm relations and we are co-operating nicely in Arctic resource exploitation. They are a NATO member but that hasn't stopped us chumming up with France or Italy so..

    Finland is neutral. Just neutral, although economically and socially orientated to the West, and in case of a crisis militarily too. But it's smart enough to not try to start any crap or support any anti-Russian initiatives either; the last thing it needs is problems. So we won't get any problems from that direction.

    Sweden is the real problem. They are taking charge of Baltic affairs, have been pursuing an anti-Russian grouping with Poland earlier on and have recently been dropping freedom bears on Belarus. Well I'm no fan of Lukashenko so whatever I suppose - but still; they're a thoroughly anti-Russian country.

    Georgia who cares.

    Moldova has a puppet government that plays nice with Moscow in protecting Russian business interests there, but otherwise pretty much does what Romania and the EU tell it to do.

    Romania is a potential trouble-maker. Best to keep an eye on them; anti-Russian sentiment in their society, territorial claims on Moldova, and a somewhat nationalist leadership that rarely fails to be unfriendly to Russia either. But for now at least they have a quite rational leadership that isn't going to risk war with Russia over Moldova or anything else. And they have their own problems aplenty right now besides.

    Bulgaria - you guys are just like 'take it or leave it' Smile I honestly don't think anyone in Bulgaria including the government seriously cares about East-West rivalry or fears Russia or anything. Bulgaria just wants economic development and is willing to do business with the highest-bidder.

    West Slav states; Czech Republic and Slovakia are small countries with little influence or power. Like with Georgia it doesn't really matter if they are anti-Russian or not. I do believe though that they are both fairly pragmatic; Slovakia has made some arms purchases from Russia and the Czechs never fail to 'remember' their Russian-language knowledge when visiting Moscow to do business or actively encouraging rich Russians to come and invest in Prague or Czech industry.

    Poland is a country that is ever at odds with Russia; but there is a considerable part of their society that prefers partnership with Russia to some degree. The problem is with their uneducated, religious nationalists who can't manage a brain cell between them. Their political class is more or less anti-Russian but understands well the benefits of business with Russia.

    In fact Russia is dedicating considerable resources to mending fences with Poland. Patriarch Kirill is scheduled to stop by there sometime in the next few months. I'm going to make quite a prediction here - I wager that as Poland begins to feel more secure with itself, and less paranoid of a military invasion from Russia - it's elite will be more and more tempted to launch a political and economic partnership with Russia along Old European lines; as Schroder, Chirac, Berlusconi, etc... all did in their time. Assuming there are no major incidents or tensions, this may come to the fore over the next 5-10 years.

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    Re: Russia's enemy countries

    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Sun Aug 26, 2012 8:30 pm

    Thanks for the relief. the baltic countries hardly have an impresive military, I heard Latvia and Estonia dont even have an airforce or navy and dont support a fully functioning army. For now they can only deploy some volunteer militia so thankfully they can rant about russia all they want but cant do anything much if they piss off russia enough that it escalates into an armed conflict Twisted Evil
    This leaves lithuania the only baltic state that has a half descent military(apparently they werent afraid to be generous with georgia and give them some weapons for their little incursion in ossetia) So it seems sweden will have to almost singlehandedly support her allies in case they they screw up with russia. Their airforce isnt that impressive and large. Although they constantly sing praises about the capabilities about their gripen the truth is that it isnt any better than the Su-27 or Mig-29M and the Su-35 or Mig-35 surpass it plus the VVS has larger numbers of fighters plus they have a heavy bomber fleet,something sweden lacks. Swedens navy's best ship, the visby class corvettes although impresssive isnt any better than the stereguschy and its only advantage to the udaloys and sovremenny destroyers is stealth. Army-the CV-90 isnt any better than the BMP-3 and is pretty much on par with the BMP-2. The strv-122 is slightly superior than the T-90 but that doesnt make much difference because the russians will have a larger number of tanks and will have far superior CAS. The leo2A4 inferior while the strv-103 more of a specialised tank destroyer.

    So a combination of numbers better airforce and navy will make war with russia unsustainable and unwinable so we have no fear from these russophobes cheers

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    Re: Russia's enemy countries

    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Sun Aug 26, 2012 11:13 pm

    However I'm worried if moldova influenced by romania starts a georgian style attack on transnistria. Probably the only way to get the the invaders out would be using the VDV and start an air campaign.

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    Re: Russia's enemy countries

    Post  GarryB on Mon Aug 27, 2012 12:06 am

    So a combination of numbers better airforce and navy will make war with russia unsustainable and unwinable so we have no fear from these russophobes

    Even a country as Russophobic as the UK realises Russia has money to spend.

    Hopefully as time goes on these people will realise you don't have to like or trust the people you do business with and when you do business there is no gun to your head... if you benefit then sign the contract, of you don't then don't sign.

    Russia just wants to buy and sell and make money and improve its situation... the same as anyone else.

    Fear that everyone wants to take over the world is silly, the west controls the worlds banking and financial system as we have seen where the US keeps its excellent credit rating despite being in the Sht because all the credit rating agencies are American and don't want to get bombed or invaded... or most likely lynched.

    If any neutral country has someone to fear it is the west which seems to be able to ignore international law and do as it pleases... the world court is in Europe, not Russia.


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    Re: Russia's enemy countries

    Post  ricky123 on Tue Aug 28, 2012 10:34 am

    GarryB wrote:
    So a combination of numbers better airforce and navy will make war with russia unsustainable and unwinable so we have no fear from these russophobes



    Fear that everyone wants to take over the world is silly, the west controls the worlds banking and financial system as we have seen where the US keeps its excellent credit rating despite being in the Sht because all the credit rating agencies are American and don't want to get bombed or invaded... or most likely lynched.


    i have heard Brics countries are making thier own bank now , and with more then 40% of the world population in brics i think that would be successfull

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    Post  GarryB on Wed Aug 29, 2012 5:30 am

    The International monetary fund IMF, and World bank were tools of the richest countries in the west.

    Poor countries of interest were given loans for things they either didn't need or couldn't afford, so once they had borrowed money the west had control and could demand changes in that country like changes in mining rules or other legislation it had no business interfering with.

    They were tools of control.

    Hopefully the BRICSA bank will just help poorer countries improve their infrastructure and economies and grow and become stronger. Without the strings attached.


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    Re: Russia's enemy countries

    Post  Austin on Wed Jul 17, 2013 11:13 am

    The country most hostile to Russia in World space is US .....though I wont label it as enemy but most like strategic competitor.

    In Europe its UK that has hostile attitude towards Russia.

    China and Russia are strategic allies and so is India and Russia.

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    Post  Sujoy on Wed Jul 17, 2013 12:56 pm

    Canada is an enemy of Russia . While the US does pose a threat it's the US sidekicks like Canada, UK , Australia who pose the maximum danger because they attack Russia indirectly . Australia is far away from Russia so it can do limited damage . The UK intends to break away from the EU so it's importance for Washington is reducing .

    Canada remains a US henchman . Their PM has a personal dislike for Putin .

    http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/06/16/harper-rules-out-arming-syrian-rebels-blasts-putin-for-supporting-thugs-of-assad-regime/

    http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/after-harper-s-comments-putin-cast-as-pariah-at-g8-summit-1.1328939

    Canada is claiming large parts of the Arctic that falls on the Russian side .

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2009/02/27/f-arctic-sovereignty.html

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    Post  Viktor on Wed Jul 17, 2013 3:11 pm

    @Sujoy

    That Canadian clown is just blabbing but he can do no harm. He has no military no nothing. US is the real power behind all anti-Russian sentiment.

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    Post  As Sa'iqa on Wed Jul 17, 2013 3:16 pm

    China (potentially in the future)

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    Post  Regular on Wed Jul 17, 2013 5:19 pm

    China doesn't look like an enemy now, not sure about future, they are unpredictable.
    European countries are hardly enemies too.
    I would say terrorists are the todays enemies that Russia face everyday and US would be geopolitical, but still not an open one.
    Russia has more than enough to fend of any potential threats and I'm sure few countries would like to have an enemy like Russia.

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    Post  sepheronx on Wed Jul 17, 2013 5:44 pm

    China has too much in terms of investments in Russia, as well as huge cooperation in various sectors (not to mention the fact that China buys its oil/gas from Russia). With the little to gain and large amounts to lose if it came to a conflict, would just be devastating and stupid.

    US isn't a foe in the sense of where there would be an open conflict, but more or less using Russia as a boogieman (as they have for so long already) in order to push their own agendas on others, to get into conflicts in other regions, and to continue to blow money into a massive black whole also known as the MiC.

    As Regular said, so far it is Islamic Terrorism that is Russia's biggest enemy. Actually, majority of the worlds Biggest enemy is religious fundamentalism. Unfortunately, many nations rather have their heads in the sand about that specific issue, and just pinpoint each other out as some sort of threat, rather than looking at the elephant in the room.

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    Post  TR1 on Wed Jul 17, 2013 9:30 pm

    Georgia.



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    Post  ahmedfire on Thu Jul 18, 2013 1:27 am

    Who are Russia's enemies?

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    Post  Serbia Forever on Fri Jul 19, 2013 5:19 am

    I would say these are "enemies" of Russia:

    Georgia
    USA
    Saudi Arabia
    UK

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    Post  Regular on Fri Jul 19, 2013 10:00 am

    Update your knowledge, Georgia is hardly an enemy, look at the size of a country first of all. Their government changed after elections, they established ties with Russia again and they have their own enemies to deal with in their own country (Saakashvilli junta that still has power). Small country with big problems.
    Saudi Arabia? Care to elaborate?

    UK is rather distant country and not the most powerful one in EU. Russia already has more significant friend as Germany, not to mention good relations with France and Italy. UK and their stance is unimportant, they are enemy to Russia as mosquito is to an elephant.

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    Post  GarryB on Fri Jul 19, 2013 11:10 am

    Georgia
    USA
    Saudi Arabia
    UK

    I would agree in the sense that these countries populations are generally hostile to Russia, though as Regular points out... the removal of the clown whose best magic trick is to make ties disappear has changed the situation with Georgia... relations should improve quite a bit there.


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    Post  Regular on Fri Jul 19, 2013 12:43 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    Georgia
    USA
    Saudi Arabia
    UK

    I would agree in the sense that these countries populations are generally hostile to Russia, though as Regular points out... the removal of the clown whose best magic trick is to make ties disappear has changed the situation with Georgia... relations should improve quite a bit there.

    Well Georgian population isn't anti-russian, there is almost 800000 of them living in Russia, if You watch Russian TV there loads of show men from Georgia. There is political griecance but not blind hate. Russian tourists still go to Georgia for a visit like nothing happened, but I've they are nor allowed to enter from Abkhazia or South Ossetia.

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