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    Re: Yak-130: News

    Post  GarryB on Sun Mar 18, 2018 6:01 am

    For those who are saying to make the Yak-130 a real fighter, here is Something interesting about its radar. I don't know if it was already discussed in this thread already but I put it anyway.

    Actually one of the cheapest ways of making the Yak-130 into a fighter would be a Sapsan like targeting pod on the belly and the AWACS aircraft they are developing for their new carriers...

    the targeting pod can detect air targets in the IR, for the use of R-73/74 and also R-27T and R-27ET air to air missiles, plus the AWACS platform can search 360 degrees from mms above the ground to high altitude to hand target information to the Yak-130 so they can use that information to launch R-77 and even R-37M missiles... the AWACS aircraft can provide course correction updates to the missiles on their way to the target, so the Yak-130 can disengage or fire IR guided missiles too...

    This would make all Yak-130s reasonably capable fighters as they can already manouver rather well and use modern short range high off boresight AAMs, and at long range they can use most heavy Russian missiles with radar support.

    In a capable armed force like Russia they could even rely on data from the air defence network... ie S-300, S-350, S-400, S-500 batteries for target data... but AWACs support would be more efficient and easier... the only thing is that they would need upgrades in terms of self defence ESM suites...

    By the time a new smaller AWACS aircraft is developed of course they might also have a small 5th gen fighter too... which would also tick all the boxes though the Yak-130 would be cheaper in peace time and during war, it would not be as survivable during war.
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    Re: Yak-130: News

    Post  George1 on Mon Jun 04, 2018 12:27 am

    At least 3x Yak-130 VKS training aircrafts with numbers "21", "24" and "30" are under repair at the JSC "121 aircraft repair plant" (Kubinka, Moscow region).

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3226750.html
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    Re: Yak-130: News

    Post  George1 on Mon Jun 18, 2018 6:13 pm

    VKS Russia received four more aircraft Yak-130



    According to the spotter, June 16, 2018 from Irkutsk with an intermediate landing at Tolmachevo (Novosibirsk) and Shagol (Chelyabinsk) airports, four new combat training aircraft Yak-130 were delivered to the service station. The planes built by the Irkutsk Aviation Plant (IAZ) of PJSC "Irkut Corporation" have supposedly red side numbers in the range from "30" to "34" (alleged serial numbers from 1408 to 1411) and were flown in Irkutsk in the fall of 2017, but they were transferred to the VCS only now.

    Recall that the transfer of aircraft Yak-130 VCS of Russia was not carried out with the IAZ from the end of July 2017 and was resumed only in March 2018, when the VC received four aircraft built in 2017 with the alleged serial numbers from 1404 to 1407 (red side plates "05 "," 06 "," 07 "and" 08 "). Now VKS got the last four Yak-130 aircraft of the 2017 program. Presumably, the suspension of the transfer of vehicles in 2017 was due to ongoing upgrades of this type of aircraft after two flight accidents with the Yak-130 VKS on the same day took place on June 21, 2017.

    These eight Yak-130 aircraft were built by the IAZ in 2017 as part of a contract for the supply of Russian military aeronautical equipment to the end of 2018, 30 Yak-130 aircraft, signed by the Russian Defense Ministry in April 2016. The first ten Yak-130 aircraft under this contract (cars with red onboard numbers from "40" to "49" - serial numbers from 1308 to 1317) were transferred to the VCS in October-December 2016 and entered the training base in Armavir ( Krasnodar Territory), which provides training for the restored Krasnodar Higher Military Aviation School of Aviation (KVVAUL) named after AK Serov. In May-July 2017, six more Yak-130 aircraft of the 2017 program with red onboard numbers "50", "100", "01", "02", "03" and "04" were sent to Armavir (serial numbers, 1319, 1320, 1318, 1401, 1402, 1403, respectively), and four aircraft, transferred in March 2018, also arrived there.

    The destination of the four aircraft overtaken on June 16, 2018 is unknown. With the transfer of the Yak-130 aircraft to Russia, the total number of serial vehicles of this type delivered to the Ministry of Defense of Russia reached 103 units. Of these, the first 12 series were built at the JSC "Nizhny Novgorod Aviation Plant" Sokol ", and 91 more in Irkutsk. Thus, with the transfer of four Yak-130 aircraft flying on June 16, it crossed the symbolic boundary of 100 aircraft delivered to the Russian Defense Ministry.

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3240806.html
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    Re: Yak-130: News

    Post  d_taddei2 on Sat Jun 30, 2018 1:18 pm

    I still say and think that Yak need to get the combat yak-130 on the market ASAP. There missing out on potential market. The yak -130 fills the market between the super tucano and the mig-29M2. The super tucano fills the turbo prop market nicely and does the job well. Many airforces are looking for a light fighter that is cheaper to run and buy than mig-29M2 and Su-30 etc african and south American countries are looking for such aircraft and it has potential to be used as a cheaper patrol aircraft in countries that use more expensive aircraft. It's far cheaper to patrol using yak -130 than heavier expensive aircraft saves flying hours on your more expensive aircraft carrying out routine patrols don't get wrong those pilots still need flying hours in heavier aircraft but could be used as cost saving.

    I think possibly a version of the yak -130 with slightly more powerful engines taking it up to speeds of 800mph could be an option as well.

    Anyway I see a market for a combat model but not sure why they are taking so long it can easily be done with equipment already available pods etc
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    Re: Yak-130: News

    Post  Isos on Sat Jun 30, 2018 2:15 pm

    d_taddei2 wrote:I still say and think that Yak need to get the combat yak-130 on the market ASAP. There missing out on potential market. The yak -130 fills the market between the super tucano and the mig-29M2. The super tucano fills the turbo prop market nicely and does the job well. Many airforces are looking for a light fighter that is cheaper to run and buy than mig-29M2 and Su-30 etc african and south American countries are looking for such aircraft and it has potential to be used as a cheaper patrol aircraft in countries that use more expensive aircraft. It's far cheaper to patrol using yak -130 than heavier expensive aircraft saves flying hours on your more expensive aircraft carrying out routine patrols don't get wrong those pilots still need flying hours in heavier aircraft but could be used as cost saving.

    I think possibly a version of the yak -130 with slightly more powerful engines taking it up to speeds of 800mph could be an option as well.

    Anyway I see a market for a combat model but not sure why they are taking so long it can easily be done with equipment already available pods etc

    It is already combat capable. They also have a version with armour, better radar and 30mm gun called yak 131 according to wiki for su-25 replacement. No one is really interested by that I think.

    Su-25 modernization are good enough for attack role. A yak 130 doesn't bring anything more than su-25.
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    Re: Yak-130: News

    Post  Hole on Sat Jun 30, 2018 4:34 pm

    Belarus is using it as light fighter-bomber.

    Yak-130 got no armor. Which is not good in the CAS role.
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    Re: Yak-130: News

    Post  Isos on Sat Jun 30, 2018 4:51 pm

    Hole wrote:Belarus is using it as light fighter-bomber.

    Yak-130 got no armor. Which is not good in the CAS role.

    They are offering a version with armour.
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    Re: Yak-130: News

    Post  d_taddei2 on Sat Jun 30, 2018 8:40 pm

    In the past I've mentioned it was able to be a light fighter and I was shot down and told no version existed.

    The yak -130 was never a serious replacement for su-25. A cheap light fighter yes but nothing more than that.

    I was led to believe Belarus and Bangladesh would used armed versions but then I was told no combat version has been made.
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    Re: Yak-130: News

    Post  Militarov on Sat Jun 30, 2018 11:27 pm

    Isos wrote:
    Hole wrote:Belarus is using it as light fighter-bomber.

    Yak-130 got no armor. Which is not good in the CAS role.

    They are offering a version with armour.

    Never went further from proposal actually.
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    Re: Yak-130: News

    Post  Isos on Sun Jul 01, 2018 12:01 am

    Militarov wrote:
    Isos wrote:
    Hole wrote:Belarus is using it as light fighter-bomber.

    Yak-130 got no armor. Which is not good in the CAS role.

    They are offering a version with armour.

    Never went further from proposal actually.

    No one ordered it then why build them ? If a country ordered 50 of them tomorrow they would build them quickly. Armour and more powerfull engines for a trainer aircraft is easy to do.

    They don't have money to spend for everything they invent. They have the idea and know that it is possible to do. Russian army chosed the su-25 modernization over an armed yak so no need to build it. Unless someone order it and there are lot of countries operating yak-130 so they could end up buying armoured yak 130 for low intensity conflicts that are happening more than conventional ones these days.
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    Re: Yak-130: News

    Post  Militarov on Sun Jul 01, 2018 2:17 am

    Isos wrote:

    No one ordered it then why build them ? If a country ordered 50 of them tomorrow they would build them quickly. Armour and more powerfull engines for a trainer aircraft is easy to do.

    They don't have money to spend for everything they invent.    They have the idea and know that it is possible to do. Russian army chosed the su-25 modernization over an armed yak so no need to build it. Unless someone order it and there are lot of countries operating yak-130 so they could end up buying armoured yak 130 for low intensity conflicts that are happening more than conventional ones these days.

    They never "offered it", they wanted to build it, noone wanted it. And its not just slapping an armor on your Lada, it goes abit different in aviation i am afraid. Would take couple of years for something like that to pass all the testing.

    And by "many" you mean 5 xD

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    Re: Yak-130: News

    Post  hoom on Sun Jul 01, 2018 3:42 am

    I think there are 2 separate things being conflated here:
    My understanding Yak-130 is capable of working as a 'light fighter' as is ie can carry bombs & rockets, even short range AAMs.
    Russia isn't employing it in that role though, just as a trainer.

    There was a project to produce an armored version as an Su-25 replacement (Su-25s are made in Georgia) but was cancelled because it wasn't able to provide enough protection (the unarmored Yak-130 already has lower weapon load & doesn't have a built-in gun).


    Side point: BMPD had a kinda weird article yesterday suggesting the Mig-AT (original competitor to Yak-130) might be in consideration for production
    apparently as a cheaper to operate (somehow despite being same size as Yak-130) intermediate trainer https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3255479.html
    Edit: I see already being discussed in other thread
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    Re: Yak-130: News

    Post  d_taddei2 on Sun Jul 01, 2018 9:59 am

    Isos wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    Isos wrote:
    Hole wrote:Belarus is using it as light fighter-bomber.

    Yak-130 got no armor. Which is not good in the CAS role.

    They are offering a version with armour.

    Never went further from proposal actually.

    No one ordered it then why build them ? If a country ordered 50 of them tomorrow they would build them quickly. Armour and more powerfull engines for a trainer aircraft is easy to do.

    They don't have money to spend for everything they invent.    They have the idea and know that it is possible to do. Russian army chosed the su-25 modernization over an armed yak so no need to build it. Unless someone order it and there are lot of countries operating yak-130 so they could end up buying armoured yak 130 for low intensity conflicts that are happening more than conventional ones these days.


    You can't order or even showcase a piece equipment without first designing it. It's clearly a market that is being missed. And I never suggested Russia to purchase. If you take terminator for example they designed and built it showcased it and received orders however in that scenario Russia in the end end up buying some.

    It doesn't take much to bring it to level that will interest foreign buyers and I am sure yak wouldn't say no to sales considering once Russian order has been fulfilled there not going to get much sizeable orders for trainers from other customers so best to look at other options.
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    Re: Yak-130: News

    Post  medo on Sun Jul 01, 2018 10:00 am

    Yak-130 as it is now, is excellent advanced trainer for air force academies and together with unguided bombs and rockets Yak-130 use R-73 air to air missiles and KAB-500Kr TV guided bombs and this is more than enough for academy trainer. When RuAF will have enough of them in academies, than they should buy cca 100 combat capable Yak-130 twin seater with more powerful engine, radar Osa or Kopyo in the nose instead of SOLT-25, we see now in prototype, build inside RWR L-150 Pastel and chaff and flare launchers and new data link communications. They could as well integrate T220 targeting pod. Those combat Yak-130 should not be used in combat, but they should be used for combat units pilots training and to bring as much flying hours as possible. Big SU-30SM, Su-34, Su-35 and Su-57 are big and expensive. Pilots need to fly needed flying hours on them every year, but the rest of flying hours they could do in combat Yak-130, which could simulate all combat situations together with working in data link network. Every military district should have one regiment of them for their combat pilots. Ground simulators are not the same as flying hours.
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    Re: Yak-130: News

    Post  AMCXXL on Sun Jul 29, 2018 5:29 pm

    https://vonsolovey.livejournal.com/122319.html

    Last 27th July , three Yak-130 Nº31 (1409) Nº35 (1413) and Nº36 (1414) took off from the plant of Irkutsk towards the West.

    At the begining of the year was received the last batch of the planning of 2017 (Nº05, 06 , 07 , 08) completing the 10 planes of last year

    In June was received the first batch of 4, belonging to the 2018 plan (Nº30-1408 , Nº32-1410, Nº33-1411 , Nº34-1412), and now other three Yak-130, so the last batch Will have 3 more airplanes, to receive the supply planned for 2018, of 10 units.

    With these three planes, the numbrer of Yak-130 manofactured for Russian Air Force adds a total of 106, of the 109 contracted, then only 3 planes remain to complete the total ammount ordered.
    Soon , it will be necessary another new contract  to continue the supply of aircraft Yak-130

    Of the 109 contracted, the first 12 (Serial 0101 to 0202) was manofactured by Sokol-Nizhny Nóvgorod (Serial 1001 until 1417) are being made at Irkutsk under tree contracts (55+12+30), the last for 30 airplanes in 3 years (2016 to 2018).

    Of the 106 delivered, 4 was lost in accidents, so 102 remaining in the airforce.




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    Re: Yak-130: News

    Post  Vladimir79 on Sun Jul 29, 2018 9:09 pm

    The crash rate of this aircraft over the last year or so is very disturbing. It could be suffering from a flight control problem.
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    Re: Yak-130: News

    Post  kvs on Sun Jul 29, 2018 9:46 pm

    Vladimir79 wrote:The crash rate of this aircraft over the last year or so is very disturbing.  It could be suffering from a flight control problem.  

    Its shape is not very aerodynamic so flight control would be an issue.
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    Re: Yak-130: News

    Post  Isos on Sun Jul 29, 2018 10:20 pm

    kvs wrote:
    Vladimir79 wrote:The crash rate of this aircraft over the last year or so is very disturbing.  It could be suffering from a flight control problem.  

    Its shape is not very aerodynamic so flight control would be an issue.    

    Or young pilots. After all it's a training aurcraft. They are not experienced with flying jets in combat mode. Speed can decrease rapidly and they can lose control.

    Do we know what happened for the 4 crashes ?
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    Re: Yak-130: News

    Post  eehnie on Sun Jul 29, 2018 10:31 pm

    It is necessary to take into account that not only trained pilots are unexperienced. Also trainer pilots have still limited experience with the Yak-130, and the machine is more powerful than previous trainer aircrafts allowing new training options.
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    Re: Yak-130: News

    Post  franco on Mon Jul 30, 2018 2:13 am

    It is obviously an Advanced trainer with need for more basic training aircraft. Not sure if the Yak-152 can cover or if two models are needed.
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    Re: Yak-130: News

    Post  Vladimir79 on Mon Jul 30, 2018 2:26 am

    Isos wrote:

    Or young pilots. After all it's a training aurcraft. They are not experienced with flying jets in combat mode. Speed can decrease rapidly and they can lose control.

    Do we know what happened for the 4 crashes ?

    It is a two seat trainer that comes with an instructor seat, the trainees do not fly alone. It is something like 7 lost aircraft since 2017 with most of them having poor flight handling at low speeds. It is not good for an Advanced Jet Trainer.
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    Re: Yak-130: News

    Post  George1 on Mon Jul 30, 2018 3:12 am

    do we have any info on next contract for Yak-130s?
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    Re: Yak-130: News

    Post  eehnie on Mon Jul 30, 2018 3:30 am

    Vladimir79 wrote:
    Isos wrote:

    Or young pilots. After all it's a training aurcraft. They are not experienced with flying jets in combat mode. Speed can decrease rapidly and they can lose control.

    Do we know what happened for the 4 crashes ?

    It is a two seat trainer that comes with an instructor seat, the trainees do not fly alone.  It is something like 7 lost aircraft since 2017 with most of them having poor flight handling at low speeds.  It is not good for an Advanced Jet Trainer.  

    The concentration of loses in a period of time habitually is not a sign of technical mistakes. If I remember well there are not loses previous to 2017.

    The high rate of loses of the units purchased by Bangladesh is surely caused by local factors, which tend to be human factors.

    The rate of loses in Russia is very different, and still surely not caused in all the cases by technical failures or mistakes. As commented also the instructors have still limited experience with the aircraft.
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    Re: Yak-130: News

    Post  Isos on Mon Jul 30, 2018 7:43 am

    franco wrote:It is obviously an Advanced trainer with need for more basic training aircraft. Not sure if the Yak-152 can cover or if two models are needed.

    They said they want to buy mig trainer jets.
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    Re: Yak-130: News

    Post  eehnie on Mon Jul 30, 2018 10:10 am

    Isos wrote:
    franco wrote:It is obviously an Advanced trainer with need for more basic training aircraft. Not sure if the Yak-152 can cover or if two models are needed.

    They said they want to buy mig trainer jets.

    Not exactly.

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