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    Re: Yak-130: News

    Post  franco on Sat Sep 16, 2017 3:09 pm

    Another Yak-130 crash. First reported as a Yak-40.

    09/16 15:35 YAK-130 PLANE HAS CRASHED NEAR BORISOGLEBSK AIRFIELD, BOTH PILOTS ALIVE - RUSSIAN DEFENSE MINISTRY

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    Re: Yak-130: News

    Post  T-47 on Sat Sep 16, 2017 4:00 pm

    Looks like its time for a thorough investigation. Crash rate is becoming high. It'll loose serious export value.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Sun Sep 17, 2017 1:20 am

    T-47 wrote:Looks like its time for a thorough investigation. Crash rate is becoming high. It'll loose serious export value.

    That didn't happen for newly built F-16's that crash.  Or for that matter, any other jet. Previous two look like they can be repaired quite easily. If this one required ejection, then it is done for.

    Many of the Yak-130 are still using some Ukrainian components.  So it may not be a hard one to figure out.  But I like to know too what is happening. Landing gear before hand, which caused some damage. But this one may have been a fly by wire malfunction or engine.

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    Post  T-47 on Sun Sep 17, 2017 5:19 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:
    That didn't happen for newly built F-16's that crash.  Or for that matter, any other jet.  Previous two look like they can be repaired quite easily.  If this one required ejection, then it is done for.

    If you are a Murican "ally", you must accept what Murica will give you to eat. Russian case is different.

    Many of the Yak-130 are still using some Ukrainian components.

    *RAGE INTENSIFIES* angry angry angry

    But this one may have been a fly by wire malfunction or engine.

    Fly by wire? Bangladesh AF crash was for the same reason!
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    Re: Yak-130: News

    Post  franco on Sun Sep 17, 2017 5:46 pm

    Remember that the aircraft here at this base were the first ones produced and therefore could have more foreign parts plus design or manufacturing imperfections since corrected. Mind you I have read that the 10 built for a foreign buyer (Syria or Libya?) and then purchased by the VKS are considered garbage by the base and not used unless absolutely necessary. Not the best however you look at it.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Sun Sep 17, 2017 6:14 pm

    T-47, you raging at me? I don't make these decisions. Although, as Franco said, many more may be using more foreign components. Don't forget, this was a JV between Italy and Russia. Byproduct of the 90's. Since then it carried a lot of foreign components. Now? I don't know. I think all newer ones will have mostly to all Russian components but after 2018 or so (currently working on engines to replace Ukies). Which leads me to believe that is the reason why they haven't made any new purchases lately - waiting for replacement by import substitution. Till then, current Yak-130's, one still waiting delivery and the L-39 will have to suffice.
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    Re: Yak-130: News

    Post  AMCXXL on Sun Sep 17, 2017 7:17 pm

    Nº49 of 209 UAB , Borisoglebsk(Vorónezh Oblast)  crashed 16-sept-2017 , 40 Km south of the base , at Novonikolayevska "Volgograd" (Stalingrad) Oblast
    http://www.interfax.ru/russia/579333
    This is the third series Yak-130 lost , after the Nº32 of Borisoglebsk crashed 15-april-2014 and Nº93 of Lipestk crashed 25-sept-2010
    In all 3 cases the pilots ejected without any problem
    Also two planes , Nº43 of Borisoglebsk and Nº55 of Armavir, had an incident with the landing gear the same day (21-jun-2017)



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    Post  KiloGolf on Sun Sep 17, 2017 7:20 pm

    It's one thing to loose fighters and bombers and completely different to have faulty advanced trainers falling out of the sky. Russia needs to fix this pronto.
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    Post  Militarov on Sun Sep 17, 2017 9:35 pm

    franco wrote:Remember that the aircraft here at this base were the first ones produced and therefore could have more foreign parts plus design or manufacturing imperfections since corrected. Mind you I have read that the 10 built for a foreign buyer (Syria or Libya?) and then purchased by the VKS are considered garbage by the base and not used unless absolutely necessary. Not the best however you look at it.

    Considered garbage for what reason? Because crash caused by degraded quality export variant sounds very....disturbing to say at least.
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    Re: Yak-130: News

    Post  franco on Sun Sep 17, 2017 10:19 pm

    Militarov wrote:
    franco wrote:Remember that the aircraft here at this base were the first ones produced and therefore could have more foreign parts plus design or manufacturing imperfections since corrected. Mind you I have read that the 10 built for a foreign buyer (Syria or Libya?) and then purchased by the VKS are considered garbage by the base and not used unless absolutely necessary. Not the best however you look at it.

    Considered garbage for what reason? Because crash caused by degraded quality export variant sounds very....disturbing to say at least.

    Cannot give you any more then that which I had read in the past.
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    Post  AMCXXL on Mon Sep 18, 2017 6:06 pm

    franco wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    franco wrote:Remember that the aircraft here at this base were the first ones produced and therefore could have more foreign parts plus design or manufacturing imperfections since corrected. Mind you I have read that the 10 built for a foreign buyer (Syria or Libya?) and then purchased by the VKS are considered garbage by the base and not used unless absolutely necessary. Not the best however you look at it.

    Considered garbage for what reason? Because crash caused by degraded quality export variant sounds very....disturbing to say at least.

    Cannot give you any more then that which I had read in the past.

    The question is that in USSR/Rusia, there are Design Bureaus (Sukhoi, Mikojan i Gurevich , Yakolev , beriev, etc...)
    And in the other part there are production plants (Manofacturers)
    When a Project of a Design Bureau is chosen by Ministry of Defence , one manofacturer can win a contract if the conditios are better

    In the case of Yak-130 , the Project was started by Sokol , that built 4 prototipes and a first serial batch for a contract of 12 Yakolev-130 , handed over between 2009 and 2011
    The first place used was in Lipestk , four airplanes Nº90 to Nº93. The other 8 airplanes have numbers 21 to 28
    One plane , Nº93 crashed in 2010 , other , Nº92 was sent to Akhtubinsk

    The Project changed of manofacturer , dont remember the reason , and in 2011 , IAPO received a contract for 55 airplanes , handed over between 2012 and 2014
    In 2012 , 783 UTsBP of Borisoglebsk , Vorónezh Oblast (former 209 UAB , former 1080 UATsPLS) received the first 15 aircraft form Ikrut (Nº31 to 45) , and also received the other 8 aircraft Nº21 to Nº28 , and the Nº29 (ex-90) and Nº30 (ex-91) built by Sokol, for complete the regiment with 25 airplanes at the begining of 2013

    I dont remember that these 12 airplanes built by Sokol are worst than the Yak-130 made by IAPO , simply are older, the project was less developed , and from other manofacturer
    In 2013 , Borisoglebsk received other 20 airplanes (Nº46 to Nº63) , totaling 45 , then the first 10 almost are not used, since with 32/36 airplanes is enough for 2/3 training squadrons
    Of these 45 , two have crashed (Nº32 and Nº49) and other 2 (Nº23 and Nº29) have been sent to University of Aeronautical Engineering of Vorónezh for test/trials , so remains 41 Yak-130 at 783 TsBP

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    Post  T-47 Yesterday at 4:56 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:T-47, you raging at me?

    LOL
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    Post  KiloGolf Yesterday at 9:40 pm

    T-47 wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:T-47, you raging at me?

    LOL

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    Post  miketheterrible Yesterday at 11:24 pm

    T-47 wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:T-47, you raging at me?

    LOL

    ill put you down on your ass so quick, your head will spin. Ill have to call your mom to pick you up, take you home, and coddle you.

    King Kong ain't got shit on me.

    You know what? You can also add Kilo as your partner. Ill put both you bitches on ice.

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    Post  T-47 Today at 5:05 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:
    T-47 wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:T-47, you raging at me?

    LOL

    ill put you down on your ass so quick, your head will spin. Ill have to call your mom to pick you up, take you home, and coddle you.

    King Kong ain't got shit on me.

    You know what? You can also add Kilo as your partner. Ill put both you bitches on ice.

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