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    Re: Yak-130: News

    Post  franco on Sat Sep 16, 2017 3:09 pm

    Another Yak-130 crash. First reported as a Yak-40.

    09/16 15:35 YAK-130 PLANE HAS CRASHED NEAR BORISOGLEBSK AIRFIELD, BOTH PILOTS ALIVE - RUSSIAN DEFENSE MINISTRY

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    Re: Yak-130: News

    Post  T-47 on Sat Sep 16, 2017 4:00 pm

    Looks like its time for a thorough investigation. Crash rate is becoming high. It'll loose serious export value.
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    Re: Yak-130: News

    Post  miketheterrible on Sun Sep 17, 2017 1:20 am

    T-47 wrote:Looks like its time for a thorough investigation. Crash rate is becoming high. It'll loose serious export value.

    That didn't happen for newly built F-16's that crash.  Or for that matter, any other jet. Previous two look like they can be repaired quite easily. If this one required ejection, then it is done for.

    Many of the Yak-130 are still using some Ukrainian components.  So it may not be a hard one to figure out.  But I like to know too what is happening. Landing gear before hand, which caused some damage. But this one may have been a fly by wire malfunction or engine.

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    Re: Yak-130: News

    Post  T-47 on Sun Sep 17, 2017 5:19 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:
    That didn't happen for newly built F-16's that crash.  Or for that matter, any other jet.  Previous two look like they can be repaired quite easily.  If this one required ejection, then it is done for.

    If you are a Murican "ally", you must accept what Murica will give you to eat. Russian case is different.

    Many of the Yak-130 are still using some Ukrainian components.

    *RAGE INTENSIFIES* angry angry angry

    But this one may have been a fly by wire malfunction or engine.

    Fly by wire? Bangladesh AF crash was for the same reason!
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    Re: Yak-130: News

    Post  franco on Sun Sep 17, 2017 5:46 pm

    Remember that the aircraft here at this base were the first ones produced and therefore could have more foreign parts plus design or manufacturing imperfections since corrected. Mind you I have read that the 10 built for a foreign buyer (Syria or Libya?) and then purchased by the VKS are considered garbage by the base and not used unless absolutely necessary. Not the best however you look at it.
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    Re: Yak-130: News

    Post  miketheterrible on Sun Sep 17, 2017 6:14 pm

    T-47, you raging at me? I don't make these decisions. Although, as Franco said, many more may be using more foreign components. Don't forget, this was a JV between Italy and Russia. Byproduct of the 90's. Since then it carried a lot of foreign components. Now? I don't know. I think all newer ones will have mostly to all Russian components but after 2018 or so (currently working on engines to replace Ukies). Which leads me to believe that is the reason why they haven't made any new purchases lately - waiting for replacement by import substitution. Till then, current Yak-130's, one still waiting delivery and the L-39 will have to suffice.
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    Re: Yak-130: News

    Post  AMCXXL on Sun Sep 17, 2017 7:17 pm

    Nº49 of 209 UAB , Borisoglebsk(Vorónezh Oblast)  crashed 16-sept-2017 , 40 Km south of the base , at Novonikolayevska "Volgograd" (Stalingrad) Oblast
    http://www.interfax.ru/russia/579333
    This is the third series Yak-130 lost , after the Nº32 of Borisoglebsk crashed 15-april-2014 and Nº93 of Lipestk crashed 25-sept-2010
    In all 3 cases the pilots ejected without any problem
    Also two planes , Nº43 of Borisoglebsk and Nº55 of Armavir, had an incident with the landing gear the same day (21-jun-2017)



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    Re: Yak-130: News

    Post  KiloGolf on Sun Sep 17, 2017 7:20 pm

    It's one thing to loose fighters and bombers and completely different to have faulty advanced trainers falling out of the sky. Russia needs to fix this pronto.
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    Re: Yak-130: News

    Post  Militarov on Sun Sep 17, 2017 9:35 pm

    franco wrote:Remember that the aircraft here at this base were the first ones produced and therefore could have more foreign parts plus design or manufacturing imperfections since corrected. Mind you I have read that the 10 built for a foreign buyer (Syria or Libya?) and then purchased by the VKS are considered garbage by the base and not used unless absolutely necessary. Not the best however you look at it.

    Considered garbage for what reason? Because crash caused by degraded quality export variant sounds very....disturbing to say at least.
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    Re: Yak-130: News

    Post  franco on Sun Sep 17, 2017 10:19 pm

    Militarov wrote:
    franco wrote:Remember that the aircraft here at this base were the first ones produced and therefore could have more foreign parts plus design or manufacturing imperfections since corrected. Mind you I have read that the 10 built for a foreign buyer (Syria or Libya?) and then purchased by the VKS are considered garbage by the base and not used unless absolutely necessary. Not the best however you look at it.

    Considered garbage for what reason? Because crash caused by degraded quality export variant sounds very....disturbing to say at least.

    Cannot give you any more then that which I had read in the past.
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    Re: Yak-130: News

    Post  AMCXXL on Mon Sep 18, 2017 6:06 pm

    franco wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    franco wrote:Remember that the aircraft here at this base were the first ones produced and therefore could have more foreign parts plus design or manufacturing imperfections since corrected. Mind you I have read that the 10 built for a foreign buyer (Syria or Libya?) and then purchased by the VKS are considered garbage by the base and not used unless absolutely necessary. Not the best however you look at it.

    Considered garbage for what reason? Because crash caused by degraded quality export variant sounds very....disturbing to say at least.

    Cannot give you any more then that which I had read in the past.

    The question is that in USSR/Rusia, there are Design Bureaus (Sukhoi, Mikojan i Gurevich , Yakolev , beriev, etc...)
    And in the other part there are production plants (Manofacturers)
    When a Project of a Design Bureau is chosen by Ministry of Defence , one manofacturer can win a contract if the conditios are better

    In the case of Yak-130 , the Project was started by Sokol , that built 4 prototipes and a first serial batch for a contract of 12 Yakolev-130 , handed over between 2009 and 2011
    The first place used was in Lipestk , four airplanes Nº90 to Nº93. The other 8 airplanes have numbers 21 to 28
    One plane , Nº93 crashed in 2010 , other , Nº92 was sent to Akhtubinsk

    The Project changed of manofacturer , dont remember the reason , and in 2011 , IAPO received a contract for 55 airplanes , handed over between 2012 and 2014
    In 2012 , 783 UTsBP of Borisoglebsk , Vorónezh Oblast (former 209 UAB , former 1080 UATsPLS) received the first 15 aircraft form Ikrut (Nº31 to 45) , and also received the other 8 aircraft Nº21 to Nº28 , and the Nº29 (ex-90) and Nº30 (ex-91) built by Sokol, for complete the regiment with 25 airplanes at the begining of 2013

    I dont remember that these 12 airplanes built by Sokol are worst than the Yak-130 made by IAPO , simply are older, the project was less developed , and from other manofacturer
    In 2013 , Borisoglebsk received other 20 airplanes (Nº46 to Nº63) , totaling 45 , then the first 10 almost are not used, since with 32/36 airplanes is enough for 2/3 training squadrons
    Of these 45 , two have crashed (Nº32 and Nº49) and other 2 (Nº23 and Nº29) have been sent to University of Aeronautical Engineering of Vorónezh for test/trials , so remains 41 Yak-130 at 783 TsBP

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    Re: Yak-130: News

    Post  T-47 on Tue Sep 19, 2017 4:56 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:T-47, you raging at me?

    LOL
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    Re: Yak-130: News

    Post  KiloGolf on Tue Sep 19, 2017 9:40 pm

    T-47 wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:T-47, you raging at me?

    LOL

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    Re: Yak-130: News

    Post  miketheterrible on Tue Sep 19, 2017 11:24 pm

    T-47 wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:T-47, you raging at me?

    LOL

    ill put you down on your ass so quick, your head will spin. Ill have to call your mom to pick you up, take you home, and coddle you.

    King Kong ain't got shit on me.

    You know what? You can also add Kilo as your partner. Ill put both you bitches on ice.

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    Post  T-47 on Wed Sep 20, 2017 5:05 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:
    T-47 wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:T-47, you raging at me?

    LOL

    ill put you down on your ass so quick, your head will spin. Ill have to call your mom to pick you up, take you home, and coddle you.

    King Kong ain't got shit on me.

    You know what? You can also add Kilo as your partner. Ill put both you bitches on ice.

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    Post  miketheterrible on Thu Sep 21, 2017 12:58 am

    I will admit, this was fun.
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    Re: Yak-130: News

    Post  GarryB on Sat Sep 23, 2017 6:43 am

    I rather suspect his anger was directed at the Ukraine... screwing things up again for Russia.... ditching them is the best thing the Ukrainians ever did for Russia.


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    Re: Yak-130: News

    Post  franco on Mon Sep 25, 2017 1:15 am

    What is wrong with the Yak-130?

    The Borisoglebsk aviation base continued to actively develop the practical skills of the flight crew for the operation of the Yak-130 combat training aircraft (UBC) and during the investigation of the reasons for the emergency landing of the aircraft in June of this year. In Borisoglebsk sky climbed aircraft, piloted by cadets, including those undergoing training in the branch of the Military Training and Research Center (VUNTS) of the Air Force "Air Force Academy. Professor NE Zhukovsky and Yuri Gagarin. " Yak-130, created by Irkut Corporation, are known to allow flight under the supervision of an instructor pilot, and are positioned as the first completely new aircraft created and built after the collapse of the Soviet Union in modern Russia.

    Despite the fact that the deployment of the Yak-130 was a long time ago, a series of emergency situations with these aircraft gives the experts (and directly to the military pilots) an opportunity to say that the aircraft is "damp". Moreover, the relative complexity of its piloting is noted. Complexity in comparison with the possibilities of piloting those training models (for training cadets) that were used before.

    Recall that in June 2017 in Borisoglebsk the crew of the Yak-130 aircraft managed to land the plane without the landing gear of the chassis. Yak was then run by the cadet of the Krasnodar branch of the VUNC VVA VVA Kirill Klevtsov and the pilot-instructor Mikhail Marchenko. The mastery of the crew allowed not to engage in emergency services, which at that time were on the airfield. The plane landed without the front rack - the machine itself received minor damage. The crew was not injured.

    September 16 this year another Yak-130 Borisoglebsk Training Aviation Center was wrecked, falling in a field of sunflowers a few kilometers from the airport - on the border of the Voronezh and Volgograd regions. The plane, according to news agencies, was administered by the senior course cadet of the branch of the Air Force Academy of the Russian Air Force Ivan Klimenko and experienced instructor - Major Sergei Zavoloka. Major Zavoloka is not just an experienced pilot, he is one of the representatives of the aerobatic team "Wings of Tauris", which performs flights on the Yak-130. Officially, the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation at the moment does not confirm information that these servicemen were in the cab of the UBC.
    Both catapulted pilots were sent to the hospital in shock. Serious physical injuries cadet and officer of the Russian Air Force did not receive.

    At the moment Yak-130, masterly planted at Borisoglebsk airfield with the unreachable landing gear in June of this year, passes through repair procedures. The plane, fallen on September 16, is not subject to recovery. After falling to the ground a fire broke out, and what was left of the aircraft was also heavily burned.

    Military equipment and representatives of the enterprise-manufacturer assess the technical details, which became the cause of the failure in the work of the bow pillar when landing the aircraft. Specialists of Nizhny Novgorod company "Gidromash", which is engaged in the production of aircraft racks for the Yak-130, conduct their technological studies to determine the causes of the incident.

    It should be noted that in the conduct of a qualitative and transparent investigation, the management of "Gidromash" is interested not less than the command of the Russian Air Force. The fact is that it is Hydromash that produces the main chassis supports, for example, for the newest Russian passenger airliner MS-21, which is attracted to the attention not only of the Russian public, but also of the public foreign. After all, the MS-21 may well (and should) enter the international market. And about the contracts for its acquisition speak now. The company can not afford to suffer reputational damage, given that it demonstrated its developments at the Le Bourget salon in France with presentation statements about the high reliability of the systems.

    According to some reports, the absence of the front rack Yak-130 could be associated with the ingress of moisture into hydraulic systems. On the question of where in the hydraulics was "superfluous" moisture, experts suggest that water falls during the "storage" of the aircraft. The argument is this: problems, perhaps, would not have been if the aircraft of this design were stored in special waterproof hangars.

    But it's not just the chassis racks that matter. Official results of the investigation of the causes of the fall of the Yak-130 near Borisoglebsky are not yet available. At the same time, in numerous news reports with references to the representatives of the flying community (from among those who sat at the helm of the Yak-130) it is reported that these machines have problems, unfortunately, and without racks. And enough of them even against the background of constant monitoring of the technical condition of the manufacturers.

    In 2017, 133 Yak-130 combat training aircraft were produced in Russia, of which the same aerobatic group "Wings of Tauris" was formed at the time.
    At the Borisoglebsk airbase, aircraft allow the annual training of dozens of cadets of senior courses at the Air Force Academy. And now, after two incidents in three months, this preparation is called into question. And you need to answer this question without trying to hide the problem under the cloth.

    In fact, the Yak-130 is intended to replace the Czechoslovak Elki - so affectionately the pilots call the training aircraft L-29 and L-39, which for decades were the main UBC of the countries of the Warsaw Treaty Organization. Yak-130 surpasses the latest versions of "Elek" both in radio electronic "stuffing" and in maneuverability in the air. This is understandable - the plane is modern, and it embodies the latest achievements of the defense industry. That's only until the problem with how these latest achievements are embodied, and how they are generally able to master cadets with regard to the requirements for security.

    From L-29 and L-39, which pilots themselves are often called "flying desks" ("flying classes") because of the ease of control and high reliability, the Yak-130 differs for the better in terms of these parameters. Manufacturers will obviously have to make efforts to ensure that the problems with the reliability of the Yak-130 have been resolved and that there are no questions to the technical parameters of the aircraft for the flight crew and potential customers.

    But the questions arise not only in young cadets, but also in experienced pilots. If there was a problem with one of the engines (such a working version is considered), then why did not the second engine "burn"? If the problem is not related to the engines, then with what then? And if you blame again for all the moisture that falls "not where it should go," then the question arises about the overall reliability of aviation equipment under the Yak-130 brand - is the plane really so "gentle" that without maintenance in special hangars can give unpredictable failures in different blocks and nodes?
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    Re: Yak-130: News

    Post  miketheterrible on Mon Sep 25, 2017 1:23 am

    Guarantee that Yakovlev mixed with Sokol will be working tirelessly to solve this issue. i imagine Engine was one of the issues. These are Ukie engines. As for moisture damage, well, that may happen and they will have no choice but to fix that. It sucks that these happen, but when newer type of planes crash, well, it usually gives insight to the manufacturer and designer to fix the issues that caused it. Thank goodness no one died.
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    Re: Yak-130: News

    Post  franco on Mon Oct 09, 2017 5:15 pm

    Another 4 Yak-130 ready for delivery to Armavir.

    http://function.mil.ru/news_page/country/more.htm?id=12145238@egNews
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    Re: Yak-130: News

    Post  d_taddei2 on Wed Nov 01, 2017 8:50 pm

    Not so much new news but nice little article on low cost fighters. Yak-130 gets a mention.

    I actually think Russia should/could push harder in this market selling it as cheap multi role aircraft. But it would also be useful for Russia and other air forces other than trainer. Russia could use it for routine patrol (including martime ) they can easily be armed and it's far cheaper to operate and they wouldn't be using up valuable flying hours of more expensive aircraft. Just a thought lol.

    http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20140903-low-cost-fighter-jets-take-off

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