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    Post  AMCXXL on Mon Sep 18, 2017 6:06 pm

    franco wrote:
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    franco wrote:Remember that the aircraft here at this base were the first ones produced and therefore could have more foreign parts plus design or manufacturing imperfections since corrected. Mind you I have read that the 10 built for a foreign buyer (Syria or Libya?) and then purchased by the VKS are considered garbage by the base and not used unless absolutely necessary. Not the best however you look at it.

    Considered garbage for what reason? Because crash caused by degraded quality export variant sounds very....disturbing to say at least.

    Cannot give you any more then that which I had read in the past.

    The question is that in USSR/Rusia, there are Design Bureaus (Sukhoi, Mikojan i Gurevich , Yakolev , beriev, etc...)
    And in the other part there are production plants (Manofacturers)
    When a Project of a Design Bureau is chosen by Ministry of Defence , one manofacturer can win a contract if the conditios are better

    In the case of Yak-130 , the Project was started by Sokol , that built 4 prototipes and a first serial batch for a contract of 12 Yakolev-130 , handed over between 2009 and 2011
    The first place used was in Lipestk , four airplanes Nº90 to Nº93. The other 8 airplanes have numbers 21 to 28
    One plane , Nº93 crashed in 2010 , other , Nº92 was sent to Akhtubinsk

    The Project changed of manofacturer , dont remember the reason , and in 2011 , IAPO received a contract for 55 airplanes , handed over between 2012 and 2014
    In 2012 , 783 UTsBP of Borisoglebsk , Vorónezh Oblast (former 209 UAB , former 1080 UATsPLS) received the first 15 aircraft form Ikrut (Nº31 to 45) , and also received the other 8 aircraft Nº21 to Nº28 , and the Nº29 (ex-90) and Nº30 (ex-91) built by Sokol, for complete the regiment with 25 airplanes at the begining of 2013

    I dont remember that these 12 airplanes built by Sokol are worst than the Yak-130 made by IAPO , simply are older, the project was less developed , and from other manofacturer
    In 2013 , Borisoglebsk received other 20 airplanes (Nº46 to Nº63) , totaling 45 , then the first 10 almost are not used, since with 32/36 airplanes is enough for 2/3 training squadrons
    Of these 45 , two have crashed (Nº32 and Nº49) and other 2 (Nº23 and Nº29) have been sent to University of Aeronautical Engineering of Vorónezh for test/trials , so remains 41 Yak-130 at 783 TsBP
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    Post  T-47 on Tue Sep 19, 2017 4:56 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:T-47, you raging at me?

    LOL
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    Post  miketheterrible on Tue Sep 19, 2017 11:24 pm

    T-47 wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:T-47, you raging at me?

    LOL

    ill put you down on your ass so quick, your head will spin. Ill have to call your mom to pick you up, take you home, and coddle you.

    King Kong ain't got shit on me.

    You know what? You can also add Kilo as your partner. Ill put both you bitches on ice.
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    Post  franco on Mon Sep 25, 2017 1:15 am

    What is wrong with the Yak-130?

    The Borisoglebsk aviation base continued to actively develop the practical skills of the flight crew for the operation of the Yak-130 combat training aircraft (UBC) and during the investigation of the reasons for the emergency landing of the aircraft in June of this year. In Borisoglebsk sky climbed aircraft, piloted by cadets, including those undergoing training in the branch of the Military Training and Research Center (VUNTS) of the Air Force "Air Force Academy. Professor NE Zhukovsky and Yuri Gagarin. " Yak-130, created by Irkut Corporation, are known to allow flight under the supervision of an instructor pilot, and are positioned as the first completely new aircraft created and built after the collapse of the Soviet Union in modern Russia.

    Despite the fact that the deployment of the Yak-130 was a long time ago, a series of emergency situations with these aircraft gives the experts (and directly to the military pilots) an opportunity to say that the aircraft is "damp". Moreover, the relative complexity of its piloting is noted. Complexity in comparison with the possibilities of piloting those training models (for training cadets) that were used before.

    Recall that in June 2017 in Borisoglebsk the crew of the Yak-130 aircraft managed to land the plane without the landing gear of the chassis. Yak was then run by the cadet of the Krasnodar branch of the VUNC VVA VVA Kirill Klevtsov and the pilot-instructor Mikhail Marchenko. The mastery of the crew allowed not to engage in emergency services, which at that time were on the airfield. The plane landed without the front rack - the machine itself received minor damage. The crew was not injured.

    September 16 this year another Yak-130 Borisoglebsk Training Aviation Center was wrecked, falling in a field of sunflowers a few kilometers from the airport - on the border of the Voronezh and Volgograd regions. The plane, according to news agencies, was administered by the senior course cadet of the branch of the Air Force Academy of the Russian Air Force Ivan Klimenko and experienced instructor - Major Sergei Zavoloka. Major Zavoloka is not just an experienced pilot, he is one of the representatives of the aerobatic team "Wings of Tauris", which performs flights on the Yak-130. Officially, the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation at the moment does not confirm information that these servicemen were in the cab of the UBC.
    Both catapulted pilots were sent to the hospital in shock. Serious physical injuries cadet and officer of the Russian Air Force did not receive.

    At the moment Yak-130, masterly planted at Borisoglebsk airfield with the unreachable landing gear in June of this year, passes through repair procedures. The plane, fallen on September 16, is not subject to recovery. After falling to the ground a fire broke out, and what was left of the aircraft was also heavily burned.

    Military equipment and representatives of the enterprise-manufacturer assess the technical details, which became the cause of the failure in the work of the bow pillar when landing the aircraft. Specialists of Nizhny Novgorod company "Gidromash", which is engaged in the production of aircraft racks for the Yak-130, conduct their technological studies to determine the causes of the incident.

    It should be noted that in the conduct of a qualitative and transparent investigation, the management of "Gidromash" is interested not less than the command of the Russian Air Force. The fact is that it is Hydromash that produces the main chassis supports, for example, for the newest Russian passenger airliner MS-21, which is attracted to the attention not only of the Russian public, but also of the public foreign. After all, the MS-21 may well (and should) enter the international market. And about the contracts for its acquisition speak now. The company can not afford to suffer reputational damage, given that it demonstrated its developments at the Le Bourget salon in France with presentation statements about the high reliability of the systems.

    According to some reports, the absence of the front rack Yak-130 could be associated with the ingress of moisture into hydraulic systems. On the question of where in the hydraulics was "superfluous" moisture, experts suggest that water falls during the "storage" of the aircraft. The argument is this: problems, perhaps, would not have been if the aircraft of this design were stored in special waterproof hangars.

    But it's not just the chassis racks that matter. Official results of the investigation of the causes of the fall of the Yak-130 near Borisoglebsky are not yet available. At the same time, in numerous news reports with references to the representatives of the flying community (from among those who sat at the helm of the Yak-130) it is reported that these machines have problems, unfortunately, and without racks. And enough of them even against the background of constant monitoring of the technical condition of the manufacturers.

    In 2017, 133 Yak-130 combat training aircraft were produced in Russia, of which the same aerobatic group "Wings of Tauris" was formed at the time.
    At the Borisoglebsk airbase, aircraft allow the annual training of dozens of cadets of senior courses at the Air Force Academy. And now, after two incidents in three months, this preparation is called into question. And you need to answer this question without trying to hide the problem under the cloth.

    In fact, the Yak-130 is intended to replace the Czechoslovak Elki - so affectionately the pilots call the training aircraft L-29 and L-39, which for decades were the main UBC of the countries of the Warsaw Treaty Organization. Yak-130 surpasses the latest versions of "Elek" both in radio electronic "stuffing" and in maneuverability in the air. This is understandable - the plane is modern, and it embodies the latest achievements of the defense industry. That's only until the problem with how these latest achievements are embodied, and how they are generally able to master cadets with regard to the requirements for security.

    From L-29 and L-39, which pilots themselves are often called "flying desks" ("flying classes") because of the ease of control and high reliability, the Yak-130 differs for the better in terms of these parameters. Manufacturers will obviously have to make efforts to ensure that the problems with the reliability of the Yak-130 have been resolved and that there are no questions to the technical parameters of the aircraft for the flight crew and potential customers.

    But the questions arise not only in young cadets, but also in experienced pilots. If there was a problem with one of the engines (such a working version is considered), then why did not the second engine "burn"? If the problem is not related to the engines, then with what then? And if you blame again for all the moisture that falls "not where it should go," then the question arises about the overall reliability of aviation equipment under the Yak-130 brand - is the plane really so "gentle" that without maintenance in special hangars can give unpredictable failures in different blocks and nodes?
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    Post  miketheterrible on Mon Sep 25, 2017 1:23 am

    Guarantee that Yakovlev mixed with Sokol will be working tirelessly to solve this issue. i imagine Engine was one of the issues. These are Ukie engines. As for moisture damage, well, that may happen and they will have no choice but to fix that. It sucks that these happen, but when newer type of planes crash, well, it usually gives insight to the manufacturer and designer to fix the issues that caused it. Thank goodness no one died.
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    Post  franco on Mon Oct 09, 2017 5:15 pm

    Another 4 Yak-130 ready for delivery to Armavir.

    http://function.mil.ru/news_page/country/more.htm?id=12145238@egNews
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    Post  d_taddei2 on Wed Nov 01, 2017 8:50 pm

    Not so much new news but nice little article on low cost fighters. Yak-130 gets a mention.

    I actually think Russia should/could push harder in this market selling it as cheap multi role aircraft. But it would also be useful for Russia and other air forces other than trainer. Russia could use it for routine patrol (including martime ) they can easily be armed and it's far cheaper to operate and they wouldn't be using up valuable flying hours of more expensive aircraft. Just a thought lol.

    http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20140903-low-cost-fighter-jets-take-off
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    Post  folkdrop on Wed Dec 27, 2017 5:39 pm

    December 27, 2017

    -- All the 4 pilots rescued

    -- Search and rescue operations still on

    -- Crashed around 6:30pm in Maheshkhali

    -- Lost connection with Radar around 6:15pm

    Two training aircrafts of Bangladesh Air Force (BAF) crashed in Maheshkhali upazila of Cox’s Bazar this evening, ISPR said.
    Inter Service Public Relations Directorate (ISPR) Director Lt Col Rashidul Hasan told The Daily Star two BAF training aircrafts -- Yak 130 – with four crew members crashed around 6:30pm.

    All the four pilots who were inside the aircrafts have been rescued, ISPR said. The identities of the pilots and their physical condition could not be known immediately.

    One of the aircrafts crashed in Palpara area under Maheshkhali Sadar union and another in Jaliapara area under Chhoto Maheshkhali union, said Sadhan Kumar Mahanta, manager of Cox’s Bazar Airport.

    The aircrafts lost connection with Radar around 6:15pm, ISPR Director Lt Col Rashidul Hasan said earlier.

    Officer-in-Charge of Maheshkhali Police Station Prodip Kumar Das, who was on the spot, told The Daily Star that he saw two parts of an aircraft blazing in two separate places.

    Search and rescue operations are going on till filing the report around 10:15pm, reports our Cox’s Bazar staff correspondent.
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    Post  Cheetah on Wed Dec 27, 2017 5:58 pm

    folkdrop wrote:Two training aircrafts of Bangladesh Air Force crashed in Maheshkhali upazila of Cox’s Bazar this evening.

    A mid-air collision, mayhaps?
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    Post  folkdrop on Thu Dec 28, 2017 3:55 am

    Cheetah wrote:
    folkdrop wrote:Two training aircrafts of Bangladesh Air Force crashed in Maheshkhali upazila of Cox’s Bazar this evening.

    A mid-air collision, mayhaps?

    Yes! So far It looks like either pilot or traffic control error which only can be confirmed after investigation. Albeit the BAF's last YAK 130 crash found a problem in its wire system and Russia already have paid for that plane. Now BAF left with 13 YAK 130 from its original 16 fleet.



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    Post  Vladimir79 on Thu Dec 28, 2017 8:07 pm

    For 2017 we have lost 4 aircraft and two crash landings for a total of 6 write offs. censored cry cry
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    Post  Isos on Fri Jan 05, 2018 10:23 pm

    For those who are saying to make the Yak-130 a real fighter, here is Something interesting about its radar. I don't know if it was already discussed in this thread already but I put it anyway.


    http://www.deagel.com/Sensor-Systems/Osa_a001865001.aspx

    Description: The Osa is an X-band multi-function radar system designed to provide air-to-air and air-to-surface operation modes. The Osa radar system provides guidance for active and semi-active air-to-air missiles and air-to-surface guided munitions. In the air-to-air mode, it can detect an airborne target featuring a five square meters radar cross section (RCS) at a maximum range of 85 kilometers. Simultaneously, it can track eight targets and engage four of them. In the air-to-surface mode, the radar system provides target range finding, ground mapping, moving target indication (MTI) and can track two targets.

    The Osa and Kopyo radar systems can be integrated on the Yak-130 light attack/advanced trainer aircraft.

    http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/yak_130/

    The Yak-130 is fitted with the 8GHz to 12.5GHz Osa or Oca (Wasp) radar developed by NIIP Zhukovsky. The radar has the capacity to track eight airborne targets simultaneously, simultaneously engage four targets at all angles and simultaneously track two ground targets. The detection range against 5m² cross section targets is 40km in the rear direction and 85km in the forward direction. The lock-on range for operation in automatic tracking mode is 65km.

    The radar, which has adaptive waveforms and sidelobes, has a surface mapping mode which includes image freezing and zooming on areas of interest.

    An alternative radar fit is the Kopyo (Spear) radar. The aircraft can also be fitted with a podded Platan (Palm Tree) infrared search and track targeting system.

    And Something found on wikipedia about a zhuk radar mounted on a pod and that can fit on trainer fighters:

    Zhuk-AU/AUE[edit]

    On-board radar system with active phased array antenna, made with the same technology as Zhuk-AM, standardized for installation on different types of aircraft including drones. Can also be installed/carried in pods.

    Zhuk-AU/AUE comes in following versions.

    FGA 51.1 - A forward-looking "X" band AESA radar

    FGA 51.2 - A side-looking "X" band AESA radar

    FGA 51.3 - A side-looking "P" band AESA radar
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    Post  kopyo-21 on Sat Jan 06, 2018 8:32 am

    Actually, the Osa and Osa-1 are pesa radar developed by NIIP for small fighters like Mig-21 and Mig-29ub modernization and now offered for Yak-130. In 2012, Phazotrol said they was developing FK-130 radar for Yak-120, supposed to start fly-testing in 2013. Not sure about its status now.
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    Post  George1 on Fri Mar 16, 2018 8:53 am

    Four new Yak-130 transferred to the Russian Air Force

    Spotters report that on March 14, 2018, four new training aircraft Yak-130 delivered to the service station flew from Irkutsk with an intermediate landing at Tolmachevo (Novosibirsk) and Shagol (Chelyabinsk) airports. Aircraft built by the Irkutsk Aviation Plant (IAZ) of PJSC "Irkut Corporation" have red side numbers "05", "06", "07" and "08" (alleged serial numbers from 1404 to 1407) and were flown in Irkutsk in the summer and in the fall of 2017, however, the transfer of the Yak-130 aircraft was not carried out from the end of July 2017 and only resumed now, presumably, this was due to ongoing upgrades of this type of aircraft after two flight accidents from the Yak-130 VKS to one day of June 21, 2017.

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    Four new Yak-130 combat trainer aircraft built by Irkutsk Aircraft Corporation Irkut Corporation (the red side numbers "05", "06", "07" and "08", the alleged serial numbers from 1404 to 1407) during an intermediate landing in Tolmachevo (Novosibirsk), 03/03/2018 (с) Andrey Neiman / vk.com/sibspotting


    These four aircraft were built by the IAZ in the framework of the contract for the supply of VKS of Russia until the end of 2018, 30 Yak-130 aircraft, signed by the Russian Defense Ministry in April 2016. The first ten Yak-130 aircraft under this contract (cars with red onboard numbers from "40" to "49" - serial numbers from 1308 to 1317) were transferred to the VKS in October-December 2016 and entered the 200th training aviation base in Armavir (Krasnodar Territory), which provides training for the re-established Krasnodar Higher Military Aviation School of Aviation (KVVAUL) named after AK Serov. In May-July 2017, six more Yak-130 aircraft of the 2017 program with red onboard numbers "50", "100", "01", "02", "03" and "04" were sent to Armavir (serial numbers, respectively, 1319, 1320, 1318, 1401, 1402, 1403).

    Although from June to November 2017, eight more Yak-130s were dispatched to the IAZ for VKS of Russia (serial numbers from 1404 to 1411), but none of them were delivered and until recently all these boards remained in Irkutsk. Now the first four of these aircraft have been transferred to the VKS. At the same time, as reported, on March 14, 2018 the aircraft with the onboard number "07 red" was delayed in Novosibirsk, apparently due to technical maladjustment.

    Aircraft, apparently, will be part of the same 200th training aviation base in Armavir. With the transfer of the Yak-130 aircraft to Russia, the total number of serial vehicles of this type delivered to the Russian Ministry of Defense has reached 99 units - of which the 12 first two series were built at the JSC "Nizhny Novgorod Aviation Plant" Sokol ", and another 87 - in Irkutsk aircraft factory.

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    Post  GarryB on Sun Mar 18, 2018 6:01 am

    For those who are saying to make the Yak-130 a real fighter, here is Something interesting about its radar. I don't know if it was already discussed in this thread already but I put it anyway.

    Actually one of the cheapest ways of making the Yak-130 into a fighter would be a Sapsan like targeting pod on the belly and the AWACS aircraft they are developing for their new carriers...

    the targeting pod can detect air targets in the IR, for the use of R-73/74 and also R-27T and R-27ET air to air missiles, plus the AWACS platform can search 360 degrees from mms above the ground to high altitude to hand target information to the Yak-130 so they can use that information to launch R-77 and even R-37M missiles... the AWACS aircraft can provide course correction updates to the missiles on their way to the target, so the Yak-130 can disengage or fire IR guided missiles too...

    This would make all Yak-130s reasonably capable fighters as they can already manouver rather well and use modern short range high off boresight AAMs, and at long range they can use most heavy Russian missiles with radar support.

    In a capable armed force like Russia they could even rely on data from the air defence network... ie S-300, S-350, S-400, S-500 batteries for target data... but AWACs support would be more efficient and easier... the only thing is that they would need upgrades in terms of self defence ESM suites...

    By the time a new smaller AWACS aircraft is developed of course they might also have a small 5th gen fighter too... which would also tick all the boxes though the Yak-130 would be cheaper in peace time and during war, it would not be as survivable during war.
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    Post  George1 on Mon Jun 04, 2018 12:27 am

    At least 3x Yak-130 VKS training aircrafts with numbers "21", "24" and "30" are under repair at the JSC "121 aircraft repair plant" (Kubinka, Moscow region).

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    Post  George1 on Mon Jun 18, 2018 6:13 pm

    VKS Russia received four more aircraft Yak-130

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    According to the spotter, June 16, 2018 from Irkutsk with an intermediate landing at Tolmachevo (Novosibirsk) and Shagol (Chelyabinsk) airports, four new combat training aircraft Yak-130 were delivered to the service station. The planes built by the Irkutsk Aviation Plant (IAZ) of PJSC "Irkut Corporation" have supposedly red side numbers in the range from "30" to "34" (alleged serial numbers from 1408 to 1411) and were flown in Irkutsk in the fall of 2017, but they were transferred to the VCS only now.

    Recall that the transfer of aircraft Yak-130 VCS of Russia was not carried out with the IAZ from the end of July 2017 and was resumed only in March 2018, when the VC received four aircraft built in 2017 with the alleged serial numbers from 1404 to 1407 (red side plates "05 "," 06 "," 07 "and" 08 "). Now VKS got the last four Yak-130 aircraft of the 2017 program. Presumably, the suspension of the transfer of vehicles in 2017 was due to ongoing upgrades of this type of aircraft after two flight accidents with the Yak-130 VKS on the same day took place on June 21, 2017.

    These eight Yak-130 aircraft were built by the IAZ in 2017 as part of a contract for the supply of Russian military aeronautical equipment to the end of 2018, 30 Yak-130 aircraft, signed by the Russian Defense Ministry in April 2016. The first ten Yak-130 aircraft under this contract (cars with red onboard numbers from "40" to "49" - serial numbers from 1308 to 1317) were transferred to the VCS in October-December 2016 and entered the training base in Armavir ( Krasnodar Territory), which provides training for the restored Krasnodar Higher Military Aviation School of Aviation (KVVAUL) named after AK Serov. In May-July 2017, six more Yak-130 aircraft of the 2017 program with red onboard numbers "50", "100", "01", "02", "03" and "04" were sent to Armavir (serial numbers, 1319, 1320, 1318, 1401, 1402, 1403, respectively), and four aircraft, transferred in March 2018, also arrived there.

    The destination of the four aircraft overtaken on June 16, 2018 is unknown. With the transfer of the Yak-130 aircraft to Russia, the total number of serial vehicles of this type delivered to the Ministry of Defense of Russia reached 103 units. Of these, the first 12 series were built at the JSC "Nizhny Novgorod Aviation Plant" Sokol ", and 91 more in Irkutsk. Thus, with the transfer of four Yak-130 aircraft flying on June 16, it crossed the symbolic boundary of 100 aircraft delivered to the Russian Defense Ministry.

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    Post  d_taddei2 on Sat Jun 30, 2018 1:18 pm

    I still say and think that Yak need to get the combat yak-130 on the market ASAP. There missing out on potential market. The yak -130 fills the market between the super tucano and the mig-29M2. The super tucano fills the turbo prop market nicely and does the job well. Many airforces are looking for a light fighter that is cheaper to run and buy than mig-29M2 and Su-30 etc african and south American countries are looking for such aircraft and it has potential to be used as a cheaper patrol aircraft in countries that use more expensive aircraft. It's far cheaper to patrol using yak -130 than heavier expensive aircraft saves flying hours on your more expensive aircraft carrying out routine patrols don't get wrong those pilots still need flying hours in heavier aircraft but could be used as cost saving.

    I think possibly a version of the yak -130 with slightly more powerful engines taking it up to speeds of 800mph could be an option as well.

    Anyway I see a market for a combat model but not sure why they are taking so long it can easily be done with equipment already available pods etc
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    Post  Isos on Sat Jun 30, 2018 2:15 pm

    d_taddei2 wrote:I still say and think that Yak need to get the combat yak-130 on the market ASAP. There missing out on potential market. The yak -130 fills the market between the super tucano and the mig-29M2. The super tucano fills the turbo prop market nicely and does the job well. Many airforces are looking for a light fighter that is cheaper to run and buy than mig-29M2 and Su-30 etc african and south American countries are looking for such aircraft and it has potential to be used as a cheaper patrol aircraft in countries that use more expensive aircraft. It's far cheaper to patrol using yak -130 than heavier expensive aircraft saves flying hours on your more expensive aircraft carrying out routine patrols don't get wrong those pilots still need flying hours in heavier aircraft but could be used as cost saving.

    I think possibly a version of the yak -130 with slightly more powerful engines taking it up to speeds of 800mph could be an option as well.

    Anyway I see a market for a combat model but not sure why they are taking so long it can easily be done with equipment already available pods etc

    It is already combat capable. They also have a version with armour, better radar and 30mm gun called yak 131 according to wiki for su-25 replacement. No one is really interested by that I think.

    Su-25 modernization are good enough for attack role. A yak 130 doesn't bring anything more than su-25.
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    Post  Hole on Sat Jun 30, 2018 4:34 pm

    Belarus is using it as light fighter-bomber.

    Yak-130 got no armor. Which is not good in the CAS role.
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    Post  Isos on Sat Jun 30, 2018 4:51 pm

    Hole wrote:Belarus is using it as light fighter-bomber.

    Yak-130 got no armor. Which is not good in the CAS role.

    They are offering a version with armour.
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    Post  d_taddei2 on Sat Jun 30, 2018 8:40 pm

    In the past I've mentioned it was able to be a light fighter and I was shot down and told no version existed.

    The yak -130 was never a serious replacement for su-25. A cheap light fighter yes but nothing more than that.

    I was led to believe Belarus and Bangladesh would used armed versions but then I was told no combat version has been made.
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    Post  Guest on Sat Jun 30, 2018 11:27 pm

    Isos wrote:
    Hole wrote:Belarus is using it as light fighter-bomber.

    Yak-130 got no armor. Which is not good in the CAS role.

    They are offering a version with armour.

    Never went further from proposal actually.
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    Post  Isos on Sun Jul 01, 2018 12:01 am

    Militarov wrote:
    Isos wrote:
    Hole wrote:Belarus is using it as light fighter-bomber.

    Yak-130 got no armor. Which is not good in the CAS role.

    They are offering a version with armour.

    Never went further from proposal actually.

    No one ordered it then why build them ? If a country ordered 50 of them tomorrow they would build them quickly. Armour and more powerfull engines for a trainer aircraft is easy to do.

    They don't have money to spend for everything they invent. They have the idea and know that it is possible to do. Russian army chosed the su-25 modernization over an armed yak so no need to build it. Unless someone order it and there are lot of countries operating yak-130 so they could end up buying armoured yak 130 for low intensity conflicts that are happening more than conventional ones these days.
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    Post  Guest on Sun Jul 01, 2018 2:17 am

    Isos wrote:

    No one ordered it then why build them ? If a country ordered 50 of them tomorrow they would build them quickly. Armour and more powerfull engines for a trainer aircraft is easy to do.

    They don't have money to spend for everything they invent.    They have the idea and know that it is possible to do. Russian army chosed the su-25 modernization over an armed yak so no need to build it. Unless someone order it and there are lot of countries operating yak-130 so they could end up buying armoured yak 130 for low intensity conflicts that are happening more than conventional ones these days.

    They never "offered it", they wanted to build it, noone wanted it. And its not just slapping an armor on your Lada, it goes abit different in aviation i am afraid. Would take couple of years for something like that to pass all the testing.

    And by "many" you mean 5 xD

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