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    Re: Yak-130: News

    Post  Militarov on Fri Dec 04, 2015 8:57 pm

    franco wrote:
    George1 wrote:4 new Yak-130 delivered, "74", "75", "76" and "78"

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1608319.html

    Total number of production vehicles of this type are set by the Ministry of Defense of Russia reached 75 units
    Currently, as part of 209th aviation training base Borisoglebsk are 42 Yak-130 and in Armavir number of aircraft Yak-130 will reach 28.

    First order was 12 + 55 second order + 10 options = 77 aircraft. Two were lost in accidents and the VSK now has 75, sounds like the training version orders are complete??
    There are still the orders of 12 for the Demo squadron and 10 for Naval Aviation in work.
    There should be more orders to come, one would think.

    Generally speaking Russia would need probably close to 300 advanced trainers taking in count size of airforce in general, maybe even more in future. Its common practice to send pilots to advanced trainers to keep them in shape to reduce costs. US operates around 1000 of varios types of advanced and "mid" trainers for an example.

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    Re: Yak-130: News

    Post  franco on Wed Dec 23, 2015 1:28 am

    4 more Yak-130's to Armavir bring total to 32 and delivered aircraft to 79;

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1641586.html

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    Re: Yak-130: News

    Post  Militarov on Wed Feb 10, 2016 12:59 am



    Air defence exercise of new Belorussian Yak 130s

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    Re: Yak-130: News

    Post  Militarov on Sat Feb 20, 2016 8:36 am

    "Laos Air Force interested in acquiring Yak-130 Russian-made aircraft. Double function jet training and combat vehicles will be used for pilot training and combat missions. The correspondent “Lenta” at the Singapore Airshow 2016 Airshow said a source in the defense industry.

    “Laos interested in this machine, it makes it relatively inexpensive to close a failure, formed after the failure of their MiG-21 aircraft, derived from the Soviet Union in 1970”, – said the interlocutor “Lenta”. The source said that Laos could receive 16-20 aircraft, the contract will include supply of additional equipment, weapons and spare parts, as well as the organization of training of pilots and technicians. Currently, the Air Force of Laos are registered about 25 MiG-21 fighters, but the vast majority of them are airworthy.

    The Yakovlev Yak-130 (NATO reporting name: Mitten) is a subsonic two-seat advanced jet trainer/light attack aircraft or lead-in fighter trainer originally developed by Yakovlev and Aermacchi. Development of the plane began in 1991 and the maiden flight was conducted on 25 April 1996. In 2002, it won a Russian government tender for training aircraft and in 2009 the aircraft entered service with the Russian Air Force. As an advanced training aircraft, the Yak-130 is able to replicate the characteristics of several 4+ generation fighters as well as the fifth-generation Sukhoi PAK FA. It can also perform light-attack and reconnaissance duties, carrying a combat load of 3,000 kg."


    Source: http://defence-blog.com/news/laos-interested-in-yak-130-light-attack-aircraft.html

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    Post  d_taddei2 on Sun Feb 21, 2016 9:01 pm

    Militarov wrote:"Laos Air Force interested in acquiring Yak-130 Russian-made aircraft. Double function jet training and combat vehicles will be used for pilot training and combat missions. The correspondent “Lenta” at the Singapore Airshow 2016 Airshow said a source in the defense industry.

    “Laos interested in this machine, it makes it relatively inexpensive to close a failure, formed after the failure of their MiG-21 aircraft, derived from the Soviet Union in 1970”, – said the interlocutor “Lenta”. The source said that Laos could receive 16-20 aircraft, the contract will include supply of additional equipment, weapons and spare parts, as well as the organization of training of pilots and technicians. Currently, the Air Force of Laos are registered about 25 MiG-21 fighters, but the vast majority of them are airworthy.

    The Yakovlev Yak-130 (NATO reporting name: Mitten) is a subsonic two-seat advanced jet trainer/light attack aircraft or lead-in fighter trainer originally developed by Yakovlev and Aermacchi. Development of the plane began in 1991 and the maiden flight was conducted on 25 April 1996. In 2002, it won a Russian government tender for training aircraft and in 2009 the aircraft entered service with the Russian Air Force. As an advanced training aircraft, the Yak-130 is able to replicate the characteristics of several 4+ generation fighters as well as the fifth-generation Sukhoi PAK FA. It can also perform light-attack and reconnaissance duties, carrying a combat load of 3,000 kg."


    Source: http://defence-blog.com/news/laos-interested-in-yak-130-light-attack-aircraft.html

    good news and perfect for small armed forces like Laos. However i think 16-20 aircraft being ordered is a slim chance, Laos has around $80-100m armed forces budget, and they couldnt even keep the 25 Mig-21 they had in flying condition, and i personally feel they dont have a need for that many, the country is pretty peaceful, and don't feel threatened by its neighbours, when i travelled through the country a few years ago, it was the most peaceful country i have ever visited, and speaking to people who could speaking english said they were a peaceful country and there was no real trouble. And they remain good relations with Vietnam so any threat to Laos would have Vietnam to deal with. I think at most 6 would be enough, but if i have to be honest they would be better buying Mi-17 and a couple of Mi-26, as these could double up and be used for disaster relief if needed, the Mi-17 could also be converted to gunship if needed. The country is pretty poor so to waste money on 16-20 Yak-130 could piss a lot of local people off.


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    Re: Yak-130: News

    Post  medo on Sun Feb 21, 2016 11:12 pm

    Any informations, when RuNAVY plan to replace their L-39 trainers with Yak-130?

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    Re: Yak-130: News

    Post  franco on Sun Feb 21, 2016 11:26 pm

    medo wrote:Any informations, when RuNAVY plan to replace their L-39 trainers with Yak-130?

    I don't think the Naval Aviation has any L-39's as basic aviation training for all military (including Border Guards, MVD, etc) is carried out by the VSK. There are 10 Yak-130's on order for the Navy but I think they replace the Su-25UTG's, etc.

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    Re: Yak-130: News

    Post  GarryB on Mon Feb 22, 2016 9:55 am

    So Yak 135 - supersonic and with AAM with range 110km and relatively cheap in maintenance. Me thinks good prospects on international market and for RuAF not bad choice either for homeland defense.

    An important point to keep in mind is that even if the Yak-135 could fly supersonic it would be very rare for it to actually do so operationally.

    Flying supersonic burns a lot of fuel very fast an such a small aircraft with newer bigger more thirsty engines will need to carry drop tanks most of the time just to have a decent radius of action.

    Its advantage will be numbers... it wont need to be supersonic to cover 1000km square, because you can buy 4 for the price of a larger alternative fighter... base them all around the place and you get better coverage.

    In a larger air force have a dozen of them armed with AAMs and have them defending your airfields and cities will the other larger more expensive fighters take on the enemy.


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    Re: Yak-130: News

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Mon Feb 22, 2016 10:51 am

    GarryB wrote:
    So Yak 135 - supersonic and with AAM with range 110km and relatively cheap in maintenance. Me thinks good prospects on international market and for RuAF not bad choice either for homeland defense.

    In a larger air force have a dozen of them armed with AAMs and have them defending your airfields and cities will the other larger more expensive fighters take on the enemy.

    That´s precisely my idea of application in Russian AF. Of course export potential is enormous: all countries in need of relatively cheap fighter both price and maintenance could be interested.

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    Re: Yak-130: News

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Tue Feb 23, 2016 10:26 am

    An interesting vid about Yak-130.

    From 3:15 they say: that tests of CAS version based on Yak-130 have already started. YAK still plans a drone and fighter however no fixed plans yet.

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    Re: Yak-130: News

    Post  franco on Wed Feb 24, 2016 2:01 am

    Armavir (Krasnodar region), February 23 -. RIA Novosti More than 200 students will be trained in Armavir on the latest combat training aircraft Yak-130 in 2020, told reporters on Tuesday
    during the celebration of the 75th anniversary of Armavir aviauchilischa commander of the Air Force - Deputy Commander VKS Russian Lieutenant-General Andrei Yudin.

    "Today is a unique day - we celebrate the 75th anniversary of the Armavir Higher Military Aviation School and the 65th anniversary of the Armavir training airbase at this airport," - he said.

    Currently, the air base in the Kuban is the successor of Armavir school. According to Yudin, a feature of these places is almost year-round good flying weather.

    "This air base - source of manpower for the Air Force number of students each year will increase -. A few years later, in 2020, this airport will be trained more than 200 students," - said the commander of the Air Force.

    Armavir base is an integral part of the Krasnodar Aviation School. At present, within its walls are trained 580 students of senior courses - those who have already started flying practice, in 2017 there will be more than 1,100 people.

    "Training facilities received in 2015, the latest combat training aircraft Yak-130, on which the future pilots are trained on a completely different type of fighter - from the MiG-29 and Su-30", - said Yudin.

    Previously released Armavir airbase pilots of the MiG-29, and now, to give the Yak-130 training opportunities greatly enhanced.

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    Re: Yak-130: News

    Post  eehnie on Tue Mar 01, 2016 3:52 am

    Just curious about the commented supersonic Yak-135. I'm a little surprised that a version of the Yak-130 can become supersonic.


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    Re: Yak-130: News

    Post  Militarov on Tue Mar 01, 2016 4:18 am

    eehnie wrote:Just curious about the commented supersonic Yak-135. I'm a little surprised that a versión of the Yak-130 can become supersonic.


    Put engines with enough thrust on a locomotive and it will be supersonic.




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    Re: Yak-130: News

    Post  eehnie on Tue Mar 01, 2016 6:28 am

    Militarov wrote:
    eehnie wrote:Just curious about the commented supersonic Yak-135. I'm a little surprised that a versión of the Yak-130 can become supersonic.


    Put engines with enough thrust on a locomotive and it will be supersonic.




    But the rest of the design must resist them. It would be very interesting if the Yak-130 can do it.

    I think it would be possible to see Russia taking the supersonic version instead of the subsonic for new training aircrafts.

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    Post  GarryB on Tue Mar 01, 2016 8:10 am

    There is only one reason the Yak-130 is not supersonic... its non afterburning engines don't put out enough thrust.

    Putting in larger more powerful engines could easily have made it supersonic, but in the training role there are very few reasons to go supersonic.

    The thing is that larger more powerful engines would burn more fuel and shorten range and reduce the time in the air.

    take the two small engines out and put a big engine in like the latest RD-33 of the MiG-35 and you would have a supersonic aircraft... useful for a small fighter... not so much use for a lead in fighter trainer.


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    Post  eehnie on Tue Mar 01, 2016 8:25 am


    I see interesting a small supersonic trainer for the first supersonic experiences of the pilots, instead of doing it in bigger and more expensive Su-24, MiG-29,...

    A supersonic trainer can help to save money.

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Tue Mar 01, 2016 12:09 pm

    GarryB wrote:There is only one reason the Yak-130 is not supersonic... its non afterburning engines don't put out enough thrust.

    Putting in larger more powerful engines could easily have made it supersonic, but in the training role there are very few reasons to go supersonic.

    1,4Ma version of Yak-130 oops I mean L-15 Razz


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    Post  medo on Tue Mar 01, 2016 7:43 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    GarryB wrote:There is only one reason the Yak-130 is not supersonic... its non afterburning engines don't put out enough thrust.

    Putting in larger more powerful engines could easily have made it supersonic, but in the training role there are very few reasons to go supersonic.

    1,4Ma version of Yak-130 oops I mean L-15  Razz


    And it use the same engine as Yak-130 with afterburner.

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    Post  GarryB on Wed Mar 02, 2016 7:55 am

    I see interesting a small supersonic trainer for the first supersonic experiences of the pilots, instead of doing it in bigger and more expensive Su-24, MiG-29,...

    A supersonic trainer can help to save money.


    But that is the problem... the extra cost of making the trainer supersonic will make it more expensive to use, yet the vast majority of its time will be spent at subsonic speeds training pilots in all sorts of things at subsonic speeds.

    Breaking the speed of sound is a total non event... doing it at medium to high altitude and the only way you know you are supersonic is by looking at your speed instruments.

    the reason the vast majority of LIFT aircraft are subsonic is because flying supersonic is of no value to a training aircraft. It is the same for CAS... there is no advantage to flying so fast you can't spot targets and threats on the ground.

    Speed is useful for an interceptor, or for attack but speed wont make you safe.

    The only reason to make a light trainer supersonic is to make it into a light fighter/bomber.


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    Re: Yak-130: News

    Post  eehnie on Wed Mar 02, 2016 9:06 am

    GarryB wrote:
    I see interesting a small supersonic trainer for the first supersonic experiences of the pilots, instead of doing it in bigger and more expensive Su-24, MiG-29,...

    A supersonic trainer can help to save money.[/quote


    But that is the problem... the extra cost of making the trainer supersonic will make it more expensive to use, yet the vast majority of its time will be spent at subsonic speeds training pilots in all sorts of things at subsonic speeds.

    Breaking the speed of sound is a total non event... doing it at medium to high altitude and the only way you know you are supersonic is by looking at your speed instruments.

    the reason the vast majority of LIFT aircraft are subsonic is because flying supersonic is of no value to a training aircraft. It is the same for CAS... there is no advantage to flying so fast you can't spot targets and threats on the ground.

    Speed is useful for an interceptor, or for attack but speed wont make you safe.

    The only reason to make a light trainer supersonic is to make it into a light fighter/bomber.

    Then to be supersonic is necessary for a light fighter/bomber? Why? The answer to this question explains many things about the value of the speed on aircrafts. Nothing in this life make you safe, but somethings like the speed in the air (and the armour on land) make you safer in contested areas.

    In some comments it seems that to make a supersonic version of the Yak-130 is easy and cheap, in other comments seems that is expensive... The point of my comment was that if it is cheap, I would see interesting to have some supersonic trainers to give to the pilots their first supersonic experiences instead of doing it in more expensive aircrafts. If the Yak-135 is developed as a supersonic version of the Yak-130 it would be interesting to take advantage of it also for training purposes.

    The concept of a trainer aircraft is to give experience to the pilots wasting less money in operational terms and risking less money in terms of equipment. It is also to avoid accidents in more expensive aircrafts. Not all the trainer aircrafts need to be supersonic.

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    Re: Yak-130: News

    Post  Militarov on Wed Mar 02, 2016 3:55 pm

    eehnie wrote:
    GarryB wrote:
    I see interesting a small supersonic trainer for the first supersonic experiences of the pilots, instead of doing it in bigger and more expensive Su-24, MiG-29,...

    A supersonic trainer can help to save money.[/quote


    But that is the problem... the extra cost of making the trainer supersonic will make it more expensive to use, yet the vast majority of its time will be spent at subsonic speeds training pilots in all sorts of things at subsonic speeds.

    Breaking the speed of sound is a total non event... doing it at medium to high altitude and the only way you know you are supersonic is by looking at your speed instruments.

    the reason the vast majority of LIFT aircraft are subsonic is because flying supersonic is of no value to a training aircraft. It is the same for CAS... there is no advantage to flying so fast you can't spot targets and threats on the ground.

    Speed is useful for an interceptor, or for attack but speed wont make you safe.

    The only reason to make a light trainer supersonic is to make it into a light fighter/bomber.

    Then to be supersonic is necessary for a light fighter/bomber? Why? The answer to this question explains many things about the value of the speed on aircrafts. Nothing in this life make you safe, but somethings like the speed in the air (and the armour on land) make you safer in contested areas.

    In some comments it seems that to make a supersonic version of the Yak-130 is easy and cheap, in other comments seems that is expensive... The point of my comment was that if it is cheap, I would see interesting to have some supersonic trainers to give to the pilots their first supersonic experiences instead of doing it in more expensive aircrafts. If the Yak-135 is developed as a supersonic version of the Yak-130 it would be interesting to take advantage of it also for training purposes.

    The concept of a trainer aircraft is to give experience to the pilots wasting less money in operational terms and risking less money in terms of equipment. It is also to avoid accidents in more expensive aircrafts. Not all the trainer aircrafts need to be supersonic.

    For fighters/interceptors superonic capabilities are required to fight, without it they are useless, they cant chase, cant intercept, cant sprint to dedicated gathering area, you lose response time, also afterburners are used in actual combat to allow certain maneuvers... And there is no point in having supersonic trainer as you MUST put pilots after Yak 130 for a while on two seat dedicated fighters to adapt for its subsystems, controls, handling etc. When its about feeling there is no much difference between high subsonic and low supersonic from pilots perspective.

    Supersonic variant of Yak-130 would be cheap multirole fighter, however it wouldnt be cheap trainer. Also worlds basically only real supersonic trainer is T-50 Golden Eagle, which costs to operate same as F16 Block 40.


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    Re: Yak-130: News

    Post  Zivo on Thu Mar 03, 2016 3:17 am

    I'll post this here, but if someone wants to create a dedicated SR-10 thread go ahead, I'm not sure how far this project will go.








    Lots more here:

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1768923.html

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    Re: Yak-130: News

    Post  GarryB on Thu Mar 03, 2016 11:13 am

    Then to be supersonic is necessary for a light fighter/bomber? Why?

    Speed does not make any aircraft safe, but in terms of effectiveness a plane that can get to a target faster and hit it earlier and then get back to base to rearm and refuel speed can be important.

    Speed wont make a small light fighter safe from being shot down by ground or air defences, but in an interceptor a faster... ie supersonic fighter can intercept targets further from their targets reducing the chance that those attack aircraft have already deployed their weapons (ie like anti ship missiles or land attack cruise missiles) and are on their way out of the area.

    Also in air to air combat being able to fly at supersonic speeds even just for short periods can allow a Yak-135 to climb to high altitude and fly at supersonic speed before launching an air to air missile greatly increasing its speed and range, compared with the same missile fired from lower altitude and lower speed.

    In the light attack role it means that though the aircraft might not be supersonic fully armed, it would allow a higher speed exit from the danger area.

    Nothing in this life make you safe, but somethings like the speed in the air (and the armour on land) make you safer in contested areas.

    It is like tank armour... no level of speed (or armour) will make you completely safe and the question comes down to cost and role. A light recon unit can't afford to have heavy armour as it would slow it down, and you couldn't afford to have every vehicle in your land fleet with MBT level armour... the fuel costs alone would be crippling...

    For a fighter or a bomber having supersonic speed capability is useful SOMETIMES... there are likely some fighters and even bombers that never fly at top speed operationally because it takes time and fuel to reach top speed and few planes can maintain top speed for very long without using up all their fuel anyway.

    For a trainer there are no reasons to fly supersonic... it burns fuel and limits you manouver performance and makes you an easy target for an IR guided missile.

    In some comments it seems that to make a supersonic version of the Yak-130 is easy and cheap, in other comments seems that is expensive... The point of my comment was that if it is cheap, I would see interesting to have some supersonic trainers to give to the pilots their first supersonic experiences instead of doing it in more expensive aircrafts. If the Yak-135 is developed as a supersonic version of the Yak-130 it would be interesting to take advantage of it also for training purposes.

    The experience of supersonic flight consists of flying up to medium altitude and then going full AB for a few minutes... odds are most people would not notice the transition from subsonic to supersonic flight except by looking at the instruments. It is actually rather a non-event... and nothing you would actually need any training in.


    The concept of a trainer aircraft is to give experience to the pilots wasting less money in operational terms and risking less money in terms of equipment. It is also to avoid accidents in more expensive aircrafts. Not all the trainer aircrafts need to be supersonic.

    Fair enough.

    What I am trying to suggest is that there is no real training value in being able to break the speed of sound and in a trainer aircraft the value of supersonic flight is close to zero if not actually zero.

    Where supersonic speed becomes useful is in a small light aircraft with radar and self defence capability that could be used as both a trainer and a light fighter/bomber.

    In such a case supersonic speed even if it is very rarely used is useful when it is needed.


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    Re: Yak-130: News

    Post  eehnie on Fri Mar 04, 2016 1:05 am

    Militarov wrote:
    eehnie wrote:
    GarryB wrote:
    I see interesting a small supersonic trainer for the first supersonic experiences of the pilots, instead of doing it in bigger and more expensive Su-24, MiG-29,...

    A supersonic trainer can help to save money.[/quote


    But that is the problem... the extra cost of making the trainer supersonic will make it more expensive to use, yet the vast majority of its time will be spent at subsonic speeds training pilots in all sorts of things at subsonic speeds.

    Breaking the speed of sound is a total non event... doing it at medium to high altitude and the only way you know you are supersonic is by looking at your speed instruments.

    the reason the vast majority of LIFT aircraft are subsonic is because flying supersonic is of no value to a training aircraft. It is the same for CAS... there is no advantage to flying so fast you can't spot targets and threats on the ground.

    Speed is useful for an interceptor, or for attack but speed wont make you safe.

    The only reason to make a light trainer supersonic is to make it into a light fighter/bomber.

    Then to be supersonic is necessary for a light fighter/bomber? Why? The answer to this question explains many things about the value of the speed on aircrafts. Nothing in this life make you safe, but somethings like the speed in the air (and the armour on land) make you safer in contested areas.

    In some comments it seems that to make a supersonic version of the Yak-130 is easy and cheap, in other comments seems that is expensive... The point of my comment was that if it is cheap, I would see interesting to have some supersonic trainers to give to the pilots their first supersonic experiences instead of doing it in more expensive aircrafts. If the Yak-135 is developed as a supersonic version of the Yak-130 it would be interesting to take advantage of it also for training purposes.

    The concept of a trainer aircraft is to give experience to the pilots wasting less money in operational terms and risking less money in terms of equipment. It is also to avoid accidents in more expensive aircrafts. Not all the trainer aircrafts need to be supersonic.

    For fighters/interceptors superonic capabilities are required to fight, without it they are useless, they cant chase, cant intercept, cant sprint to dedicated gathering area, you lose response time, also afterburners are used in actual combat to allow certain maneuvers... And there is no point in having supersonic trainer as you MUST put pilots after Yak 130 for a while on two seat dedicated fighters to adapt for its subsystems, controls, handling etc. When its about feeling there is no much difference between high subsonic and low supersonic from pilots perspective.

    Supersonic variant of Yak-130 would be cheap multirole fighter, however it wouldnt be cheap trainer. Also worlds basically only real supersonic trainer is T-50 Golden Eagle, which costs to operate same as F16 Block 40.


    Do you know that the most produced military trainer has been a supersonic trainer? I was surprised when I found it. The T-38 has been surely the most succesful of the military trainers until now, and is supersonic. Then, the idea of a supersonic trainer has at least some point.

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    Re: Yak-130: News

    Post  Militarov on Fri Mar 04, 2016 1:23 am

    eehnie wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    eehnie wrote:
    GarryB wrote:
    I see interesting a small supersonic trainer for the first supersonic experiences of the pilots, instead of doing it in bigger and more expensive Su-24, MiG-29,...

    A supersonic trainer can help to save money.[/quote


    But that is the problem... the extra cost of making the trainer supersonic will make it more expensive to use, yet the vast majority of its time will be spent at subsonic speeds training pilots in all sorts of things at subsonic speeds.

    Breaking the speed of sound is a total non event... doing it at medium to high altitude and the only way you know you are supersonic is by looking at your speed instruments.

    the reason the vast majority of LIFT aircraft are subsonic is because flying supersonic is of no value to a training aircraft. It is the same for CAS... there is no advantage to flying so fast you can't spot targets and threats on the ground.

    Speed is useful for an interceptor, or for attack but speed wont make you safe.

    The only reason to make a light trainer supersonic is to make it into a light fighter/bomber.

    Then to be supersonic is necessary for a light fighter/bomber? Why? The answer to this question explains many things about the value of the speed on aircrafts. Nothing in this life make you safe, but somethings like the speed in the air (and the armour on land) make you safer in contested areas.

    In some comments it seems that to make a supersonic version of the Yak-130 is easy and cheap, in other comments seems that is expensive... The point of my comment was that if it is cheap, I would see interesting to have some supersonic trainers to give to the pilots their first supersonic experiences instead of doing it in more expensive aircrafts. If the Yak-135 is developed as a supersonic version of the Yak-130 it would be interesting to take advantage of it also for training purposes.

    The concept of a trainer aircraft is to give experience to the pilots wasting less money in operational terms and risking less money in terms of equipment. It is also to avoid accidents in more expensive aircrafts. Not all the trainer aircrafts need to be supersonic.

    For fighters/interceptors superonic capabilities are required to fight, without it they are useless, they cant chase, cant intercept, cant sprint to dedicated gathering area, you lose response time, also afterburners are used in actual combat to allow certain maneuvers... And there is no point in having supersonic trainer as you MUST put pilots after Yak 130 for a while on two seat dedicated fighters to adapt for its subsystems, controls, handling etc. When its about feeling there is no much difference between high subsonic and low supersonic from pilots perspective.

    Supersonic variant of Yak-130 would be cheap multirole fighter, however it wouldnt be cheap trainer. Also worlds basically only real supersonic trainer is T-50 Golden Eagle, which costs to operate same as F16 Block 40.


    Do you know that the most produced military trainer has been a supersonic trainer? I was surprised when I found it. The T-38 has been surely the most succesful of the military trainers until now, and is supersonic. Then, the idea of a supersonic trainer has at least some point.

    Well aware of that, and its operational costs are basically same as of F5 Tiger which was mainstray fighter of many NATO countries for decades. Majority of trainers are subsonic only and it will be that way probably till the moment when manned aircraft disappear from our skies.

    Also i wouldnt call T38 most succesful advanced trainer till now, not even by a long shot, it was averagely present in service due to US influence. Far better service records have BAE Hawk, L-39 Albatros, L-29 Delfín.. hell even Aermacchi MB-326, which are all legends among trainer aircrafts. Imo T-37 Tweet was far better machine for that role than Talon.


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