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    Re: Russian Spetsnaz Forces Thread

    Post  George1 on Tue Dec 04, 2012 9:39 pm

    Mr.Kalishnikov47 wrote:

    And what are the SWAT army teams??

    GRU I'd assume.


    GRU Spetsnaz? In USA SWAT is special police unit, like SOBR in Russia i think
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    Re: Russian Spetsnaz Forces Thread

    Post  Mr.Kalishnikov47 on Wed Dec 05, 2012 12:11 am

    If I had to make a guess I'd say the author of the article made a mistake.


    Russian intelligence officers seek speedy creation of new special ops center

    A group of leading military officers has asked the newly appointed Defense Minister to set up a Special Operations Command – a body uniting the commando teams and support services – that would match the modern day military and civilian challenges.

    According to the proposal, the new command will unite the Senezh special operations center belonging to the Defense Ministry that reports personally to the minister, with a Spetsnaz brigade, a helicopter squadron of the Air Force training center in Torzhok, and a squadron of the Il-76 transport aircraft from the Migalovo air force base. A source in the Defense Ministry told the Izvestia daily that the plan to reform Russia’s special operations dates back to 2008. They were submitted to the recently dismissed former minister Anatoliy Serdyukov who rejected them without offering any explanation.

    The plan will now be presented to the new Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu hoping that he will reverse his predecessor’s decision. Izvestia’s source stressed that the plan was made on the basis of foreign experience, namely France, UK and Germany and in some tactical elements the US experience was also used.

    When founded, the Special Operations Command will take on various tasks like hostage rescue in enemy territory, evacuation of civilians from war zones, and operations against criminal groups. In case of a full scale war, commandos will destroy the enemy’s strategic weapons and command, disrupt communications and logistics and perform other duties.

    Authors of the plan claim the creation of the new body has practically already happened as the helicopter squadron from Torzhok and the aircraft unit from Tver have been taking part Senezh center exercises for four years. The only thing needed now is to choose the Spetsnaz brigade from two options – either the central Russian Tambov Unit or one of the experienced brigades of the Southern Military District.

    The initiative, however, has opponents among the Special Forces’ officers who say that the command must oversee all military Spetsnaz units, not the selected ones. The critics also pointed at foreign countries saying that in France or Britain all Special Forces in the military report to a single HQ.

    http://rt.com/politics/russian-intelligence-spec-ops-789/

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    Re: Russian Spetsnaz Forces Thread

    Post  GarryB on Wed Dec 05, 2012 2:19 am

    As Kalashnikov points out, this is not a creation of a military special forces units. The military and the government have a wide range of very good units including land and naval Spetsnaz units for various organisations, the MVD or interior ministry has its own special forces, as do the FSB. Alpha and Vympel spring to mind in the case of the latter, but there are also VDV and naval infantry and a range of other more secret units.

    This article is not talking about creating a new force as such as much as it is talking about a new command and structure for existing forces to allow them to operate more effectively outside of Russia.

    Of course we have already seen that in Eastern Europe and the invasion of Afghanistan, and of course in Kosovo and more recently with anti piracy missions.

    The new planned structure would give them organic transport and command and control to allow faster reactions and better mobility and flexibility


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    Re: Russian Spetsnaz Forces Thread

    Post  Mr.Kalishnikov47 on Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:00 am

    Russian special forces returned to the operating room

    Russian military justified the need for a single body control special forces in 2008, and then began the development of a specific project. However, in October of this year, former Defense Minister Anatoly Serdyukov has rejected the draft. The group of senior officers of the General Staff and the Chief Intelligence Directorate (GRU) has decided to achieve a positive decision from the new defense minister - Sergei Shoigu.

    I must say that the Russian military intelligence, or rather for the GRU, the last few years were not the most favorable. Despite the fact that, in contrast to, for example, the KGB and Interior Ministry, military intelligence managed to survive the post-perestroika period and the "wild nineties" with minimal structural losses, major military reform has been on it rink. GRU is one of the most effective intelligence services in the world, and its force component - special forces - is at least the respect of all potential opponents. However, in the course of the reform of the Russian armed forces brigade GRU were partially cut and placed under the command of the military districts.

    That, in the opinion of most military and special forces themselves, destroyed an effective system of special military operations. But now there is a chance to return to their seats, and can be pre-reform and improve the mechanism of special operations, the chairman of the Public Council under the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, the chief editor of "National Defense" Igor Korotchenko . In an interview with "Voice of Russia" , he said:

    "In my view, should not have been put out of the GRU spetsnaz brigades. My position is that the General Intelligence Department - is an independent value for our country, I was generally against the reforms of the GRU as such. Rather, it was necessary to strengthen, reinforce the authority of strategic intelligence. The fifth was a control - as it was called - which is run by sabotage activities in the territory of the enemy in the event of a full-scale war. And each of the teams responsible for a particular area of ​​operations. But it is important to understand that, of course, geographically remote theater of war - Africa, Asia, South East Asia, if it is to act, we still did not have an adequate structure that could solve these problems. So perhaps now is exactly the time and occasion to really create Command special operations forces. "

    Proponents of a unified command special forces say that the creation of such a structure will significantly improve the coordination of interaction between groups of special forces. For example, we know that often in counter-terrorist operations in the Caucasus is used by special forces, guided by different departments - GRU, FSB, MVD. Due to the different visions of the specific situation in the different headquarters military operations do not always bring the desired effect, although highly professional soldiers and officers who directly perform the task.

    The above-mentioned U.S. Military Intelligence Agency (Defense Intelligence Agency - DIA) and the CIA, if necessary act in close coordination with the U.S. Special Operations Command (CSR; US Special Operations Command, SOCOM). Creating a unified special operations command failure was the result of a major U.S. intelligence in Iran. In 1980, special units of various arms of the U.S. (Air Force, Navy, Marines) during the complicated joint operation "Eagle Claw" had to release the American hostages detained in the United States Embassy in Tehran. Commando raid ended in complete failure, the loss of eight soldiers, several helicopters, aircraft and secret documents. The investigation of the disaster, American experts have concluded that at that time the main weak point of any importance was the lack of military special operations center that continuously planning the integrated use of various special forces. In spring 1987, the then U.S. President Ronald Reagan approved the establishment of the U.S. Special Operations Command. Since then, the agency manages special units of the Army, Air Force, Navy and Marine Corps. There also includes the famous "Green Berets."

    Unified command of the military special forces practiced not only in the United States. The German Bundeswehr after its reorganization in 2001, was formed by the Special Operations Division, DSO (Division Spezialle Operationen). It includes all the mobile units and rapid response, including the battle group KSK special forces. Britain in all conflicts is using the famous SAS - Special Airborne Service (SAS, Special Air Service), created in 1942.

    Russia has in modern conditions have to be effective mobile units SWAT sure Igor Korotchenko:

    "Generally speaking, the Russian fishing trawler seized container or Somali pirates. This means that the SWAT team to fly to the area in a matter of hours to get there, to the corresponding operation. First, the structure should be ready to perform these functions. Must know theater of operations in the relevant geographic area. Secondly, to be deployed on-site communications, control in real time. So it is a complex organizational and technical problems. "

    GRU participated in numerous operations abroad and has the unique experience of their conduct. As is known from open sources on the draft of the General Staff and the GRU special operations command center will include a special "Senezh" SWAT team, a helicopter squadron and the squadron of military transport aircraft Il-76. It is possible that the new structure will separate reconnaissance regiment of the 45th Airborne. However, this project - the first step, according to Russian military experts. In addition, on a broader scale, it then there is the special forces of the Navy, Marine Corps and other elite units of the Russian army. In principle, the formation of national CSR ready, lacking only the signature of the Minister of Defense.

    (Google translate)

    http://rus.ruvr.ru/2012_12_03/Rossijskij-specnaz-vernut-na-operativnij-prostor/


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    Re: Russian Spetsnaz Forces Thread

    Post  George1 on Sun Mar 09, 2014 12:14 am

    new SSO (Special Operations unit)

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    Re: Russian Spetsnaz Forces Thread

    Post  George1 on Sun Mar 09, 2014 12:23 am

    The Ministry of Defense has begun to establish special forces operations and has already formed a corresponding command , said Wednesday Chief of Staff Gen. Valery Gerasimov . According to him, such a decision in the military came to examine the practice of formation , training and employment of special operations forces of the leading countries in the world . In particular, such structures are in Germany, France, Canada and the United States Special Operations Command (US Special Operations Command, USSOCOM or SOCOM) was established in 1987 .

    Chief of Staff explained that the increasing role of special operations forces demonstrates the experience of wars and military conflicts of the XXI century . " Powered by a corresponding command , which is engaged in routine work and performs event training plan of the Armed Forces " - quoted Gerasimov RIA "Novosti" . General stressed that he had developed a set of guidelines that determine the direction of development, methods of preparation and use of these forces.

    About the upcoming reform of the " Military Review " wrote late last year , noting that the military experts in 2008 substantiated the need for a single point of management Russian special forces . According to the publication , an action plan , submitted by former Defense Minister Anatoly Serdyukov , but he considered it inappropriate initiative .

    Once the agency headed by Sergei Shoigu , amid promulgated a few months ago the U.S. plans to significantly increase the number of secret special operations abroad, the Russian defense ministry again talking about urgent formation of Special Operations Command . According to the " Military Review " , a group of officers from the General Staff , together with colleagues from the GRU asked the project for such a force to Shoigu , who supported the initiative .

    The most famous Special Operations Command in the world is the U.S. USSOCOM. It represents one of the nine combatant commands comprising the U.S. Armed Forces and special operations forces led by the Army, Air Force, Navy and Marine Corps .

    Prior to the September 11 attacks in the United States CSR activities mainly provide special operations forces in conflict zones and helped to solve the tasks assigned to the U.S. Embassy and other civil service outside the country. Since 2001, the command was engaged in and the fight against international terrorism. The total number of U.S. troops in CSR is about 58 thousand people. Approximately 85 % of personnel in units stationed abroad are in the Middle East .

    There CSR in Germany - Special Operations Division was created on the basis of airborne battalion . Main strike force commanders are three special purpose company and two companies of deep exploration .

    Command of the Canadian Special Operations Forces (CANSOFCOM) was created in 2006. It conducts anti-terrorist operations and consists of Unite Task Force JTF2, the Canadian Special Purpose Regiment (CSOR) and the 427 th Special Operations Squadron .

    Special Operations Command France (GCOS) was established in 1992. It manages all units and units of special forces units that perform important tasks outside the country. Later came the task of GCOS and the fight against terrorism .

    http://www.newsru.com/russia/06mar2013/minob.html
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    Re: Russian Spetsnaz Forces Thread

    Post  George1 on Sun Mar 09, 2014 12:26 am

    Does anyone has more info in that new CCO?

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    Russian “Spetsnaz” Forces Thread:

    Post  Austin on Wed Apr 02, 2014 6:17 pm

    Russian “Spetsnaz” Forces — from Saboteurs to Court Bailiffs

    Aleksey Nikolsky

    Origins of the word “Spetsnaz”
    The word “Spetsnaz” is an abbreviation of sily spetsialnogo naznachenya, which means “special task forces” in Russian. Used to denote various military and paramilitary units, the term entered wide circulation a few decades after the end of World War II. It has largely replaced another term, sily osobogo naznacheniya (special purpose forces), which dates back to imperial times, and which was used for such disparate forces as heavy artillery and counter-insurgency squads. During World War II, units of saboteurs operated by the NKVD (a forerunner of the KGB and today’s FSB) were part of an independent “special purpose” motor rifle brigade. Its remit was quite similar to that of the present-day MoD and FSB Spetsnaz. There were also “special purpose” radio reconnaissance units. In other words, the word “special” was used to denote either a very narrow specialization of the unit in question, or the special importance of the political or clandestine tasks entrusted to them.

    Spetsnaz entered popular Soviet culture in the late 1980s, although the Special Purpose Brigades which the word refers to, were set up back in the 1950s. These brigades were subordinated to the Main Intelligence Department (GRU) of the Soviet Army’s General Staff. The word Spetsnaz was popularized by such mass culture phenomena as the book Aquarium by Vladimir Suvorov (Rezun), a notorious ex-GRU turncoat. Incidentally, another book by Rezun, Spetsnaz, was not very popular in the Soviet Union or Russia. Finally, GRU Spetsnaz units acquitted themselves very well during the Soviet campaign in Afghanistan, thereby adding to the word’s widespread use.

    By the time the Soviet Union broke up, Soviet airborne troopers (Desant) and GRU Spetsnaz brigades had acquired a firmly established reputation as elite troops, the best of the best. As a result, various armed units subordinated to Russia’s numerous government agencies began to borrow the word Spetsnaz for their own titles so as to sound more important, even though in many cases these units were just glorified guard and protection squads. The term was also borrowed by some highly trained and well-armed police units, the Russian equivalent of America’s SWAT teams. Among the original GRU Spetsnaz brigades, such proliferation of “Spetsnaz” units in the 1990s caused significant annoyance. Nevertheless, dozens of various armed units in Russia still use the word “special” in their names, and the list of such units we offer below is by no means complete. The various Russian “Spetsnaz” forces have a combined headcount of about 50,000, so they are a large and important player on the market for small and light arms, as well as special tactical hardware.


    The Russian Armed Forces

    Special Purpose (Spetsnaz) Brigades and units subordinated to Military Districts, Navy Fleets, and the Airborne Troops
    At present Russia’s four Military Districts and four Naval Fleets operate seven Spetsnaz brigades, whose main purpose is special reconnaissance. There are also four naval intelligence stations (brigades) operated by the four Fleets. Previously all of them were operationally subordinated to the GRU, but now they take their orders from the Military District commands. The GRU still remains in charge of their training, materiel provision, and operational guidelines. The term “special reconnaissance” covers such areas as military and human reconnaissance/intelligence, sabotage and special operations behind enemy lines. These Spetsnaz forces consist of a total of 20–25 squads (the basic Spetsnaz unit, roughly equivalent in size to a battalion).1 They also include the 45th Independent Guard Spetsnaz Regiment of the Airborne Troops. The total numerical strength of these forces, including support units, is estimated at 5,000–10,000.

    Special Operations Forces (SSO) of the General Staff’s Special Operations Command
    The Special Operations Forces (SSO) were set up approximately in 2008–2009 to perform especially important military-political and counterterrorism tasks. At present the SSO service includes a combat division and a training division, both based at the Senezh military compound near Solnechnogorsk. Another combat unit is now being established in Kubinka, outside Moscow. The total numerical strength of the SSO is estimated at 1,000 or more.2

    Special Submarine Anti-Sabotage Units (OSNB PDSS)
    These units were set up in 1967; there is one unit serving with each of the four Russian Navy fleets. As their name suggests, the special submarine anti-sabotage units defend the Russian Navy from the adversary’s combat swimmers and divers at the naval bases and at sea. Their total headcount is probably below 1,000.

    Mobile Spetsnaz companies protecting facilities of the MoD’s 12th Main Directorate
    These forces are subordinated directly to the 12th Main Directorate of the MoD. They protect the directorate’s facilities, i.e. nuclear weapons depots and assembly facilities from saboteurs. Their total numerical strength is below 1,500.

    Anti-saboteur battalions and guard-and-reconnaissance companies of the Strategic Missile Troops
    These units protect the Strategic Missile Troops’ facilities from saboteurs. They also provide anti-saboteur protection along the patrol routes of ground-based mobile ICBMs. The units are subordinated to the Strategic Missile Troops Command and their numerical strength is up to 3,000 servicemen.

    Counterterrorism units of the Russian Armed Forces
    In view of their hard training, high morale, and general excellence, the armed forces’ counterterrorism units probably qualify as Spetsnaz as well. These squads, platoons and companies were set up in the mid-2000s in every brigade, regiment, division and airbase of the Russian armed forces. Their overall numerical strength is thought to be several thousand servicemen. They are subordinated to the counterterrorism department of the General Staff’s Main Operations Directorate. Their main function is to serve as a mobile reserve force that can be brought to bear in the event of an increased threat of a terrorist attack against military units and compounds. They will also take on the terrorists in the event of an actual attack.

    Military police Spetsnaz
    The MoD military police service, which was set up in 2011, includes special task units. The overall numerical strength of these units is several hundred people; their main role is to take on armed deserters and military servicemen who have committed serious crimes.

    Interior Ministry
    The Interior Ministry includes the internal affairs branch and the Interior Troops. Both branches have special-purpose or special operations units.


    The internal affairs branch


    OMON, OMSN, TsSN
    Apart from the Interior Troops, special units are also operated by the Interior Ministry’s centrally subordinated divisions and by the regional Special Purpose Centers (TsSN). The TsSN centers are subordinated to the regional Interior Ministry departments and to the ministry’s central office in Moscow. In 2011 the ministry set up the Directorate for Special Units and Interior Ministry Aviation (UPSNiA), which is in charge if the TsSN.3 There are two main types of special units: the first is OMON (mobile special police squads), whose purpose is to deal with rioting and conduct large raids. The structure of OMON units is similar to the structure of ordinary motor rifle units. The second type is OMSN (mobile special-purpose squads), which are often called by the old name SOBR. The OMSN service was created through merger of the former SOBR (armed units which dealt with organized crime in the late 2000s) and OMSN (special-purpose police squads, which were mainly used to apprehend armed and dangerous criminals). The present OMSN service is the closest thing Russia has to America’s SWAT police units.

    In most of the Russian provinces the OMON and OMSN units have been merged into Special Purpose Centers (TsSN), but in some parts of the country where the crime situation is especially worrying, there are several OMON or OMSN units in every large city. There are a total of about 120 OMON units in the whole of Russia, with a numerical strength of about 22,000 officers. There are also about 90 OMSN units, with 4,500 officers.

    In addition, there are OMON and OMSN units subordinated directly to the Interior Ministry HQ in Moscow (the Zubr and Rys squads, respectively). These units take their orders from the UPSNiA directorate, and are used mainly as a reserve force. UPSNiA also operates the Yastreb squad, a small unit that has several planes and helicopters. Finally, there are Special Air Squads (AOSN) in 20 of the Russian provinces; these units usually have several helicopters, and take their orders from the regional Interior Ministry departments.

    Special Purpose Center of the Interior Ministry’s extra-agency guard service
    The name is used to denote a fairly ordinary Interior Ministry extra-agency protection division which guards and protects government buildings and sensitive facilities. The numerical strength of this division is at least 500 people.

    Road Safety Special Purpose Center (TsSN BDD)
    These service guards protect top officials on the road, and apprehend armed criminals trying to flee by car. The service has units in Moscow and the Southern Federal District. Its numerical strength is about 300 people.

    State Protection Service Spetsnaz
    This Interior Ministry division guards and protects witnesses, judges and police officers from assassination attempts. It has a unit subordinated to the Interior Ministry HQ in Moscow, and several units subordinated to the ministry’s regional departments. Its numerical strength is about 700 people.

    Interior Ministry’s Interior Troops
    The Interior Troops Spetsnaz was set up in the early 1980s. It has about 20 units stationed in various Russian provinces (mainly in the North Caucasus), and includes the centrally subordinated Vityaz unit. Its numerical strength is up to 10,000 people. The service is subordinated to the Reconnaissance Directorate of the Interior Troops Main Command. Along with the FSB special units, the Interior Troops Spetsnaz currently bears the brunt of the fighting with Salafist insurgents and terrorists in the North Caucasus.


    The Federal Security Service (FSB)


    The FSB Special Operations Center (FSB TsSN)
    This is Russia’s main counterterrorism outfit. The FSB Special Operations Center is situated in Moscow. It consists of the HQ, the A Directorate (the Alfa squad conducts counterterrorism operations at mass gatherings and mass transit facilities), the B Directorate (the Vympel squad conducts counterterrorism operations at strategic facilities), and the S Directorate (special operations to apprehend terrorists and provide support during field operations and investigations). The A Directorate has regional divisions in Khabarovsk, Murmansk, Krasnodar and several other cities. These regional divisions are called Regional Special Operations Departments (ROSN). In addition, there are Operational Support Groups and Operational Support Squads (GSOM and OSOM, respectively) at the FSB regional directorates. The overall numerical strength of the FSB Spetsnaz units is much lower than the figure for the Interior Troops Spetsnaz; it is probably below 2,000 people.4

    FSB Border Service
    The Border Service operates several Mobile Squads and Mobile Units, as well as Special Operations Squads, which protect the most sensitive stretches of the Russian border. The overall numerical strength of these units is probably below 2,000 servicemen.

    External Intelligence Service (SVR)
    The Russian foreign intelligence service has its own internal security center often referred to as Zaslon (Firewall). Its numerical strength is classified information, but it is unlikely to be more than a few hundred people. It appears that Zaslon’s main mission is to guard and protect Russian diplomatic missions, as well as Russian envoys visiting conflict zones.


    Federal Protection Service (FSO)
    Special Purpose Directorate of the FSO Presidential Security Service
    The directorate includes such squads as the Bastion Spetsnaz and the Arsenal Spetsnaz. Its main remit is to guard sensitive facilities and top officials during trips around Russia and during foreign visits. The service also implements anti-sniper and counterterrorism measures. Its numerical strength is 500 to 1,000 people.5

    Presidential Regiment of the Moscow Kremlin Superintendant’s Department
    The Presidential Regiment’s rapid reaction battalion includes about 300 servicemen; it consists of several companies, and essentially serves as the regiment’s fighting force. Its training program centers on suppressing riots, including such scenarios as using live ammunition against armed rioters trying to seize the Kremlin and other key facilities.


    Federal Counter-Narcotics Service (FSKN)
    The FSKN has inherited a physical protection directorate from the Federal Tax Police Service, which was abolished in 2003. After being taken over by the FSKN, the directorate added the word “special” to its title. At present, special-purpose services and departments (SSN and OSN) are operated by all regional FSKN departments across Russia. They take their orders from the 5th Operations and Combat Division of the FSKN Department for Special Operations and Protection.6 The overall numerical strength of the FSKN Spetsnaz forces is about 3,000. Their main purpose is to provide armed support during operations to apprehend drug dealers and traffickers, as well as to guard senior FSKN officers.


    Federal Customs Service (FTS)
    The FTS Armed Support Service (SSO) consists of special rapid reaction squads (SOBR), special operations customs offices, and regional customs departments. The remit of the SOBR units includes locating and apprehending smugglers and people suspected of breaking customs regulations; providing armed support for special customs operations; guarding confiscated shipments and, on a paid commercial basis, providing armed guard for such shipments en route to temporary storage depots. The numerical strength of the FTS Spetsnaz is about 1,000 people.


    Justice Ministry


    Federal Bailiffs Service (FSSP)
    The FSSP armed units include Rapid Reaction Groups (GBR) that serve with the Special Operational Duty Departments (SOOD). These departments have been or are now being set up at the regional FSSP divisions. Their purpose includes providing security during high-profile court cases enforcing court rulings and lately, also escorting illegal migrants being deported from Russia in accordance with court warrants. The numerical strength of this force is 1,500 people.

    Federal Penitentiary Service (FSIN)
    Regional departments of this service include special operations squads (OSN), whose remit includes suppressing riots and dealing with hostage situations at prisons locating and apprehending escaped prisoners and guarding FSIN officers during searches and in other situations. The number of the OSN squads (about 90) does not match the number of regional FSIN departments; their overall numerical strength is about 4,000 people.7 FSIN Spetsnaz units were actively involved in the campaigns in Chechnya, along with the FSB and Interior Ministry special task forces (whereas the Spetsnaz units operated by other Russian ministries and government agencies were barely involved at all).


    Ministry of Industry and Trade
    Directorate for Safe and Secure Storage and Destruction of Chemical Weapons (UBKhUKhO)
    The directorate operates several Spetsnaz companies, with a total numerical strength of about 500 people. Their remit includes guarding chemical weapons destruction facilities, which are being used to eliminate the Russian stockpiles of toxic agents in accordance with the country’s international commitments.


    1. The numerical strength of the Spetsnaz squads serving with special reconnaissance units has been estimated on the basis of a statement made by the minister of defense, Sergey Shoygu, on August 1, 2013, and the MoD Plan of Action until 2020. (http://mil.ru/mod_activity_plan/constr/lvl/plan.htm), In accordance with that plan, by the end of 2013 some 60 per cent of warrant officers and soldiers should be professionals serving under contract, and the number of these squads is expected to reach 15.
    2. Aleksey Nikolsky. The Olympic Reserve: Why Russia Has Created Special Operations Command/ Moscow Defense Brief, #4, 2013.
    3. http://mvd.ru/mvd/structure1/Upravlenija/Upravlenie_po_obespecheniju_dejatelnosti.
    4. http://www.agentura.ru/dossier/russia/fsb/structure/specnaz/.
    5. http://bratishka.ru/archiv/2010/4/2010_4_1.php, author’s own information.
    6. http://fskn.gov.ru/pages/main/info/leadership/6000/index.shtml.
    7. http://www.spec-naz.org/dossier/MVD_special_forces/perechen_otryadov_specialnogo_naznacheniya_fsin_rf/.
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    Re: Russian Spetsnaz Forces Thread

    Post  George1 on Sat Sep 06, 2014 12:06 am

    FSB special forces during a recent op:



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    "Alpha" KGB vs "Alpha" FSB. Practical shooting

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    Re: Russian Spetsnaz Forces Thread

    Post  George1 on Mon Nov 24, 2014 1:37 pm

    does anyone know if GRU Army Spetsnaz have a standard beret and what colour is it? thanks
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    Re: Russian Spetsnaz Forces Thread

    Post  GarryB on Tue Nov 25, 2014 5:04 am

    AFAIK GRU Spetsnaz wear exactly the same uniform as the VDV to hide their true purpose/presence.


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    Re: Russian Spetsnaz Forces Thread

    Post  George1 on Thu Nov 27, 2014 4:18 am

    Special Operations Command (KSO) has been formed. I will try to find more details for its structure.



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    Re: Russian Spetsnaz Forces Thread

    Post  George1 on Thu Nov 27, 2014 4:28 am

    According to the project, the KSO will consist of the following:
    a Defense Ministry special-purpose center called Senezh,
    a SWAT team from one of the military districts;
    a helicopter squadron from the Center for Deployment and Retraining of Military Pilots (TsBP) at the Torzhok Air Base;
    and a squadron of transport Il-76s from the Migalovo airfield near Tver.

    I wonder what will be the role of SWAT team, just intelligence support like Special Recon Regiment in SAS British special forces? or cover fire and reconnaissance like Rangers to Delta Force in US special forces?

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    Re: Russian Spetsnaz Forces Thread

    Post  Alex555 on Fri Jan 09, 2015 7:49 pm

    Hello. Some info from ru.wiki, but only in computer translate Sad

    On October, 24th, 1950 the Instruction of the Military Minister of the USSR № ORG/2/395/832 with a signature stamp "Classified" has been signed. It has begun creation of subdivisions and special units (SpN) (deep investigation or special purpose investigation) for actions in the deepest back of the opponent. The autumn of the same year in all military districts had been created 46 separate mouths of SpN on 120 persons everyone. Later connections of SpN (on a brigade on each military district or fleet and a brigade of the central submission) have been created. Groups of scouts should appear in immediate proximity from command points and other strategic objects of armed forces of the opponent. Their missions included: To conduct investigation, and in case of need, infringement of a control of troops, elimination of commanders of army, aircraft and fleet and political leaders of the countries-aggressors to destroy control posts, rocket installations, strategic aviation planes, nuclear submarines, to break communication, power supply, to destroy transport communications, to spread panic and bring chaos in military and the government of the countries-aggressors. Subdivisions and units of SpN GRU have played a huge role in the Afghani War.

    At the moment of special division GRU creation intended for operations in near and far back of the opponent, and also antisubversive work in the back. A headquarters, communications, air bases and other especially important targets was the typical purposes for them, to strike which was planned including by means of nuclear mines of low power.

    The Afghani war became the most severe test for special troops GRU, but it and has transformed it into one of the most effective similar subdivisions in the world. For conspiracy it was accepted to name them in line of duty separate motorised-rifle batallions. Together with colleagues from VDV and KGB it actually became one of the main striking forces of the Soviet troops, carrying out following purposes:

    Investigation in deep back of the opponent;
    Failure of supply of Mojaheds by raids on caravans and supply bases;
    Capture and liquidation of representatives of command of Mojaheds and foreign instructors;
    Capture of samples of the weapon;
    Aircraft prompting on especially important purposes.

    Weapons 1991-present: AS "Val", АК-74, АКМ, the Automatic pistol of Stechkin, the Self-auto-loading pistol of Serdjukov, Yarygin's Pistol, PSS, VSS "Vintorez", SVD, SV-98, SV-99, ОSV-96, KSVK, PKM, RPO "Shmel", АЕК-919К "Kashtan", PP-19, PP-2000, the Machine gun "CORD", Knife NRS-2, AGS-30, GP-25, GP-30, PTRK "Cornet", hand grenades RGD-5, F-1, RGN, RGO, mine MON-50

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    24 октября 1950 года была подписана Директива Военного министра СССР № ОРГ/2/395/832 с грифом «Секретно». Она положила начало созданию подразделений и частей специального назначения (СпН) (глубинная разведка или разведка специального назначения) для действий в самом глубоком тылу противника. Осенью того же года во всех военных округах было создано 46 отдельных рот СпН по 120 человек каждая. Позднее были созданы соединения СпН (по бригаде на каждый военный округ или флот и бригада центрального подчинения). Группы разведчиков должны были появиться в непосредственной близости от командных пунктов и других стратегических объектов вооружённых сил противника. В их задачу входило: вести разведку, а в случае необходимости, нарушение управления войсками, устранение командиров армии, авиации и флота и политических лидеров стран-агрессоров, уничтожать пункты управления, ракетные установки, самолёты стратегической авиации, атомные подводные лодки, нарушить связь, энергоснабжение, разрушать транспортные коммуникации, сеять панику и вносить хаос в военное и государственное управление стран-агрессоров. Подразделения и части СпН ГРУ сыграли огромную роль в Афганской Войне, а затем в в операциях на территории Чеченской республики.
    Организационно-штатная структура 177-го отдельного отряда специального назначения, на лето 1982 года (неофициальная).

    Всего через Афганскую Войну прошло 11 отдельных отрядов специального назначения (ооСпН). Впоследствии к февралю 1984-го 8 отрядов были сведены организационно в две бригады. Для конспирации было принято называть их в служебном порядке отдельными мотострелковыми батальонами (омсб).

    На момент создания спецподразделения ГРУ предназначались для операций в ближнем и дальнем тылу противника, а также противодиверсионной работы в своём тылу. Типичными целями для них были штабы, коммуникации, авиабазы и другие особо важные цели, поражать которые планировалось в том числе и с помощью ядерных мин малой мощности.

    Афганская война стала самым суровым испытанием для спецназа ГРУ, но она и превратила его в одно из самых эффективных подобных подразделений в мире. Вместе с коллегами из ВДВ и КГБ он фактически стал одной из главных ударных сил советских войск, выполняя следующие цели:

    разведка в глубоком тылу противника;
    срыв снабжения моджахедов путём налётов на караваны и базы снабжения;
    захват и ликвидация представителей командования моджахедов и иностранных инструкторов;
    захват образцов оружия;
    наведение авиации на особо важные цели.

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    Re: Russian Spetsnaz Forces Thread

    Post  George1 on Mon Feb 16, 2015 1:40 pm

    Russia’s Chechnya to Host Unique Training Complex for Special Forces

    Russia’s republic of Chechnya is set to host a world-class center for training Russian Special Forces; the complex will also be available to the Special Forces of other countries.

    In this Sunday Jan. 11, 2015 photo, a Yazidi fighter protects the Sharaf al-Deen temple shrine, one of the holiest for the Yazidis, a religious minority whom the Islamic State group considers heretics ripe for slaughter, in Sinjar, northern Iraq

    Chechnya, a republic of Russia, is set to construct a world-class complex the size of a city to host training facilities for all branches of the country’s elite Special Forces, the newspaper Izvestiya reported on Monday.

    The complex will be located in the city of Gudermes, 36 kilometers east of the capital Grozny.

    According to the head of the republic, Ramzan Kadyrov, the facility, which so far has no analog in the country, will be constructed within one year.

    “It is going to be a grand-scale center, with facilities for professional training for aerial, underwater, above-water and other types of warfare. We are ready to train Special Forces officers; not only from Chechnya, but from around the whole of Russia, and this is already being negotiated with different government agencies. We have enough experience. The training will be delivered by our instructors, who have profound practice,” the newspaper quotes Kadyrov as saying.

    Combat Commonwealth international military exercise in Astrakhan Region
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    The unique tactical city will have high-rises, schools, hospitals, kindergartens and a theater, which all will be meant for drills on freeing hostages and destroying terrorists.

    Parachute, mountain, forest, water and other kinds of training will also be in focus. The construction of an aerodynamic tunnel is under way to practice operations in different physical conditions.

    The facility will be built with private investments, without any financial support from the state or from the republic’s budget.

    The ground will be also available for other countries: mostly Arabic, Latin American and CIS nations. Negotiations are already underway with Belarus and Kazakhstan.

    The facility is planned to be used for sports competitions, mostly shooting and parachute championships.

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/russia/20150216/1018321562.html#ixzz3RuY5cTU7
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    Re: Russian Spetsnaz Forces Thread

    Post  George1 on Fri Feb 27, 2015 11:09 am

    February 27 declared Special Operations Force Day in Russia
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    Re: Russian Spetsnaz Forces Thread

    Post  George1 on Wed Mar 11, 2015 4:59 pm

    Russian Commandos Use Tiger Combat Vehicles in Drill

    Commandos of Russia’s Central Army District in Novosibirsk effectively destroyed their imaginary enemy in a drill using advanced Tiger armored vehicles often referred to as “the Russian Humvee”.

    Russian Paratroopers to Get First Advanced Armored Vehicles in 2015
    Ahead of the exercise all drivers of the CMD’s Special Forces Command underwent 60-day special driving courses in Kolomna.

    "Novosibirsk commandos on Tiger-M light armored vehicles destroyed an imaginary illegal armed unit as part of a tactical drill in Novosibirsk region,” CMD said in a statement Tuesday.

    During the war game the Tiger crews were to find and destroy the “enemy” with 7.22mm Pecheneg machineguns, 12.7mm Kord machineguns and the Plamya automatic grenade launcher.

    The GAZ-2330 "Tiger" is a Russian high-mobility multipurpose military vehicle, manufactured by GAZ Auto Works in Nizhny Novgorod and Arzamas.

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/russia/20150310/1019314766.html#ixzz3U5q9gieR

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    Re: Russian Spetsnaz Forces Thread

    Post  Vann7 on Thu Apr 23, 2015 5:56 am

    just saw the next video.. about Russian/chechen army ...in competition in Jordan..
    Representing Russia..



    In wondering if this muslins chechens part of the Russian army trains
    in the same way of all armed forces of Russian Federation.. if they follow orders of
    Russia Defense minister.. and if their training is exactly the same of any other ethnic Russian
    ,lets say from moscow in the Russian army?


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    Re: Russian Spetsnaz Forces Thread

    Post  zg18 on Thu Apr 23, 2015 9:15 am

    Vann7 wrote:just saw the next video.. about Russian/chechen army ...in competition in Jordan..
    Representing Russia..



    In wondering if this muslins chechens part of the Russian army trains
    in the same way of all armed forces of Russian Federation.. if they follow orders of
    Russia Defense minister.. and if their training is exactly the same of any other ethnic Russian
    ,lets say from moscow in the Russian army?

    This is Chechen Republics internal Spetsnaz , not military.

    All citizens of RF serve military and (almost) all ethnic groups are represented in officers cadre , from low to high rank , for instance Dagestani Muslim officer is appointed to command newly formed Black sea fleet sub squadron.
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    Re: Russian Spetsnaz Forces Thread

    Post  Cyberspec on Fri Apr 24, 2015 3:03 am

    SCO special forces work out landing of assault teams during exercises
    https://defencerussia.wordpress.com/2015/04/23/sco-special-forces-work-out-landing-of-assault-teams-during-exercises/
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    Re: Russian Spetsnaz Forces Thread

    Post  Cpt Caz on Fri Apr 24, 2015 7:03 am

    Various photos of VDV special forces training in the Arctic:











































    Lots more here:

    http://www.arms-expo.ru/photo/fotoreportazh/arkticheskiy-desant-otrabotal-ryad-takticheskikh-meropriyatiy/

    http://www.arms-expo.ru/photo/fotoreportazh/desantniki-sovershayut-marsh-na-lyzhakh-v-slozhnykh-meteousloviyakh-v-arktike/

    http://www.arms-expo.ru/photo/fotoreportazh/vpervye-v-usloviyakh-severnogo-polyusa-podrazdelenie-vdv-sovershaet-mnogokilometrovyy-marsh-na-sobach/

    http://www.arms-expo.ru/photo/fotoreportazh/desantniki-osvaivayut-prokhozhdenie-torosov-v-arktike/

    http://www.arms-expo.ru/photo/fotoreportazh/desantniki-zavershayut-provedenie-uchebnoy-gumanitarnoy-poiskovo-spasatelnoy-ekspeditsii-v-okolopolyu/

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    Re: Russian Spetsnaz Forces Thread

    Post  OminousSpudd on Tue Jun 02, 2015 12:04 am

    Saker interview with “Ramzes” – a Spetsnaz GRU officer

    http://thesaker.is/saker-interview-with-ramzes-a-spetsnaz-gru-officer/

    The Saker: Please introduce yourself in a few words, tell us which Brigade you served in, what rank you achieved there and what your military speciality was?

    Ramzes: My GRU Spetsnaz call sign was Ramzes. I was born in Russia. I began service in 1994 and finished service in 1999. I was an airborne cadet for four years and served as an officer with the rank of lieutenant for one year after that. I served in the 16th Brigade of the GRU Spetsnaz based out of Chuchkovo. I was the commander of 25 GRU Spetsnaz soldiers. As the commander of this group it was mandatory that I was proficient and educated as a sniper, explosives & ordnace specialist, radio communication as well as use of the English language. To be a Spetsnaz commander you must be trained in all aspects of warfare employed by your entire unit.

    In Spetsnaz GRU there is no platoon structure per se as in regular army units, we operate as a group and although command line is respected, all members of the group are active in intelligence and planning as well as mission execution. In Spetsnaz everybody is aware of the full situation and they all have the responsibility and opportunity to think about what the mission is and to weigh in at any time and if needed to think and operate on their own if required. Every member of the group must be able to act independently without needing immediate orders, yet knowing what the full scope of the mission is. They can all address the situation and assess and contribute their opinion on operations. As a commander I listen to everybody and make the final decision. This makes Spetsnaz more effective.

    The Saker: There are many elite units in the Russian military, including the SOBR and ODON units of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the Alpha and Vympel Spetsnaz of the FSB, the 4 divisions and 8 brigades of the VDV, the Navy’s Spetsnaz units, the “Zaslon” unit of the SVR, etc. How would you compare these forces to the 7 Spetsnaz GRU brigades? What makes the Spetsnaz GRU unique and different?

    Ramzes: In the beginning Spetsnaz was only GRU. They are the original and some say true Special Forces. During the 1990’s the reputation of the Spetznas was renowned throughout Russia and deeply respected. At this time all the forces created there own Spetsnaz units to piggyback on the reputation and elite status of the original GRU Spetsnaz. The very identity of Spetsnaz became a catch word for the elite unit within all of the various military and security organisations.

    Now if you say that you are Spetsnaz there is more responsibility to live up to a certain reputation as the situation in Russia is exceptionally more advanced and capable compared to the 90’s.

    Originally the main operational concept of the Special Forces was to execute our missions on the territory of the enemy. Now there are domestic Spetsnaz and all sorts of various Spetsnaz delegations that were not trained for foreign incursions like the original GRU Spetsnaz.

    When we were trained all GRU Spetsnaz were educated in one or more several key languages. Farsi, Mandarin, English, Arabic, French. Now they learn a greater variety of languages. For example during the Afghan War our Spetsnaz were fluent in various local dialects and after this experience this practice was expanded.

    The Saker: It is often reported that there are Spetsnaz GRU units formed exclusively of officers and NCOs which are used in more complex and demanding operations. Is that so and, if yes, are these units part of the Spetsnaz Brigades or are they directly depending on the 5th (or 8th?) GRU Directorate in Moscow?

    Ramzes: I can say only this. There are GRU Spetsnaz groups that consist of only officers. Every group will be working under the directorate of the GRU. Of course the most difficult and delicate missions are for groups composed of officers only officers and NCO’s.

    The Saker: As far as I know, the original primary mission of the Spetsnaz GRU forces was the detection of NATO missile launchers and associated command posts, combined with deep reconnaissance and diversionary attacks. During the Eltsin years Spetnaz GRU forces were used in all sorts of manners which have very little to do with their original mission: they were used as infantry, as assault units, as anti-terrorist units, as protection units for generals, etc. Is that still the case today and how to you see the future of the Spetsnaz GRU and what kind of missions would you want them assigned to?

    Ramzes: Detecting missile launch sites was only one (of many) mission designations of GRU Spetsnaz units. I think active serving Spetsnaz of GRU were never used for any security detail for Generals. They had other missions, again always on foreign soil.

    Security is provided by other teams not GRU. Even during Yeltsin years GRU Spetsnaz were only assigned to foreign territory. Protection of generals, assault troops, anti-terrorist Spetsnaz of MVD (police) not GRU. Not exclusively however, there are several incidents when GRU Spetsnaz did assist when large scale assaults on domestic territory were active, like various scenarios in chechnia, but again very rare.

    Of course retired GRU officers can enter into active duty with MVD or other units if they choose after they finish their service w/ the GRU.

    As for what I would like to see them assigned to – that depends on the situation, but of course the main idea is to protect Russia.

    The Saker: The 16th Spetsnaz Brigade saw combat in Afghanistan, Tadjikistan, Chechnia, the North Caucasus and Abkhazia and soliders from this Brigade also served in Kosovo. I also have very strong suspicions that the Brigade was sent into Moscow in 1993 in the days right after the end of the combats around the White House and the Ostankino Tower. Did these conflicts trigger changes inside the organization or training of the Brigade? Which of those wars were the most difficult ones for the Brigade?

    Ramzes: Perhaps this question is not the right one to ask or it is phrased in a way that can not clearly be answered. For example regarding the wars, it depends on the specific mission, there could be one mission in Afghanistan that was a complete success and one in Chechnia that was a terrible failure but we can not assess based on region or war, but based on each individual mission. Considering this we can say that Afghanistan provided the most rich experience simply due to the duration and variety of the missions. While Chechnia had some intense and complex missions GRU Spetsnaz were not deployed in this conflict as much as the general public assumes, as again this was on domestic territory.

    None of these conflicts resulted in any diametric changes within the GRU Spetsnaz, yet the training and tactics are constantly evolving. If you are an officer or soldier for Spetsnaz your mission is to serve the people of Russia exclusively and at all times. I can personally say that the 16th were very clever soldiers who understood their situation and that the commanders could never nor would ever order their units to take any aggressive action against citizens of the RF, nor act as crowd control against the people of Russia, especially as per the situation inside Moscow during 1993, no GRU Spetsnaz were involved in these incidents.

    Of course the Spetsnaz GRU always modernizes and updates tactics and strategy from experience. When I was a cadet we learned things that the cadets today probably do not learn due to the rapidly evolving nature of missions, experiences, technology, tactics and geopolitics.

    During WW2 we had one specific tactic and now we have various tactics and the differences are understandably very significant. For example better equipment, improved battlefield awareness, logistics… Of course the basic ideas and principles are the same but also much improved.

    Today of course their is much more money to fund and supply our soldiers than in the 90’s and our technology is now highly advanced and is far greater today then when I served.

    I am envious of what equipment they have to work with today. GRU Spetsnaz are in all likelihood far stronger and more capable today than they were when I was in service, however at the core we have the same ideals and work habits.

    The Saker: How surprised were you when the Polite Men in green conducted an absolutely brilliant operation in Crimea which they managed to secure without a single person being shot even though the peninsula was full of elite Ukrainian units including many sent from the western Ukraine? Does this operation show that the modern Spetsnaz GRU forces are as good as the old Soviet ones or, possibly, that they have become even better than the used to be?

    Ramzes: Was I surprised, well yes, but I understand that such success is possible, even 20 years ago it was possible. Taking the enemy whole without the loss of life is one of the greatest ways to achieve victory in any mission. This is a very significant example of mission success. This is a case when the art of martial tactics shines more brilliantly than the forces of war.

    Of course GRU Spetsnaz is now better than 20 years ago. With better equipment, radio, satellite, weapons, GPS etc… It all provides huge advantages. The reduction in weight alone is a massive operational advantage as well as the reduced size of technology used and what it can achieve. We had a compass and map, today they have smart phones and gadgets that provide truly amazing intelligence and tactical capabilities to out groups.

    The Saker: The Urkonazi junta is constantly claiming that Spetsnaz GRU units are operating in the Donbass. Purely in theory, would you say that that this is possible or do you completely exclude such a possiblity. Please explain the reasons for your reply. What do you make of this video:

    Ramzes: As for there being Spetznas in Donbass – you can have it both ways. It is extremely unlikely, but however, well anything is possible.

    Just as it is possible that GRU Spetsnaz can be in the USA, Canada, Germany, Israel, Saudi Arabia at this moment. They might even be in China, Venezuela or Iran etc…

    But GRU will not be operating inside Russia.

    American readers need not to worry, no GRU Spetsnaz will be popping up in front of the White House or on Wall Street anytime soon, wearing telnyashkas and sporting prison tattoos with big beards etc… These Hollywood stereotypes do not reflect a true active GRU Spetsnaz soldier, so don’t believe the scripts. You will never know we are there.

    Reconnaissance is one of our main missions. Our tactics are to never engage in direct battle, we will only engage once we are shot upon. If we are discovered, several people might stay behind to fight while the rest of the group will disappear.

    Maybe there are retired ex-military Spetsnaz personnel who are acting independently trying to help the people of Donbass, if the Ukranians catch retired personnel and discover the previous identities than they may make such claims, but it is NO active GRU unit would be involved in such manners. That is not our function. Also if someone is tortured they will say anything. Intelligence obtained under duress and bodily harm is never accurate. It is only used for public consumption. So if a personal is captured they can be forced to say anything, it means very little.

    If I left to Donbass by the command of my heart to help the people and was captured, they would claim they caught a Spetsnaz officer, but I would be acting on my own. As a Spetsnaz officer we would never wear any distinguishing badges or marks, nor reveal our identities.

    If you think about it – no GRU Spetsnaz unit of 12-25 men would stay and engage in a fire fight against 200 Azov or Right Sector soldiers. That would be stupid. Spetsnaz do not engage in stupidity. This whole video wreaks of disinformation and I do not think it holds much validity. It is for public consumption like Hollywood movies it does not reflect real warfare tactics.

    The Saker: There are constant rumors about US and Polish special forces operating on the Urkonazi side. Again, in theory, do you think that this is possible? What would the foreign special forces offer which the Ukrainian special forces would not be capable of?

    Ramzes: I think it is very possible. I think they are helping behind the line of contact, providing expert advisors who tell the private armies and the Ukrainian soldiers what to do, how to do it, when to do it and so on… They will be coaching and encouraging these people how to fight. Providing intelligence, equipment and strategy but most likely not engaged in the fighting. You may have individuals among the Right Sector or Azov Battalions across the line of contacts, but most likely no American or Polish units or groups operating as they would typically.

    It is now very much like it was in Georgia during the 90’s and now again today. Americans and other nationals provide most of the training, provide the equipment and intelligence but do not engage in battle themselves.

    As far as Maidan, nobody knows whether it was Polish snipers or Right Sector snipers there on the roofs. This is very difficult to assess and most likely has many complexities that provide cover for the actual shooters who pulled the trigger. What is clear is that is was a provocation and that there was a significant amount of preparation and situational awareness involved. So is the Ukrainian president the one ordering a provocation to unseat himself? This is how shallow the logic and propaganda is, not very difficult to debunk.

    Imagine that if the Ukrainian president was reluctant to use his Berkut Riot police to quell the situation on the ground at the line of contact then it makes zero sense that he had the will or stomach to give orders to unleash snipers on an open crowd. Plus the shells and exit wounds clearly show the same weapons were used to hit and kill both the Ukrainian Berkut Riot police and the rioters themselves.

    Perhaps it was a mistake for the Ukrainian President to not order the Berkut to properly control the situation, they had the means to do so. The USA understood that at this moment there was weakness in the command structure (it is entirely possible that they manufactured this weakness as well, political and private leverage is also a weapon and tactic used as well) at this critical moment and exploited that event to maximize chaos on the ground and degeneration of social order. Once the Fog of War is as thick as the smoke from the burning tires it becomes difficult to explain and events begin to unfold too fast to keep the public attuned to what matters. By the time the smoke clears it is too late, chaos has sewn its seeds.

    This was an extremely difficult position to be put into. Maybe the Ukrainian president is just a regular human not a military man. I myself may not know what order I would give in I was in his shoes if I had to order my Berkut soldiers to kill civilians my own civilians even if they are wild Maidan protestors encouraged by inserted terrorists, they are still people.

    Americans might see him as being a weak leader with not the stomach to shed blood to maintain power, but as a Russian I understand that these people have families and loved ones too. Ask yourself if you could order your Berkut soldiers to kill and subdue a massive mob like that. It is not an easy question to resolve. In hindsight we can say that giving this order would have saved thousands of lives and likely helped their economy greatly, but in the moment things are not clear and nobody can predict the future. This is an area where civilian leadership may lead to more bloodshed than military leadership.

    The Saker: What is your take on the murder of Alexei Mozgovoi. Do you believe that it is possible for a Ukrainian or NATO diversionary unit to have acted so deep behind the front lines and, if yes, could they have succeeded without an accomplice inside the LRN giving them the information about the schedule and route taken by Mozgovoi?

    Ramzes: I think that it is possible. In no way is this good for DNR and LNR headquarters. Mozgovoi was a clever and very strong commander. Many people did not like him within the LNR and DNR but they all knew they needed him as he prooved his battle expertise. His value was well understood and this along with his passionate views made him unpopular to some, but nobody within the LNR or DNR would dare execute this murder, it would be treason.

    Mozgovoi was more of a problem for the Ukrainian and American interests as his battlefield awareness and command was responsible for many successes.

    Many Ukrainian Spetsnaz were trained by Russian GRU back in the day, they were trained well and are familiar with our methods. Many people from the Ukraine can penetrate deep into DNR and LNR structures without being detected. It is an extremely complicated scenario due to our long common history. Now we have external agents acting on these people and anything is possible.

    I know people personally who are actual brothers who are currently fighting on opposite sides of this war. They understand that this war is not needed by the people. They have no choice in the matter though, as they must act to save their families.

    If you are a Ukrainian man and wish to stay at home and avoid this war you will likely be killed by Right Sector or Azov Battalion agents. Also if they choose to escape to Russia their homes and possessions will be taken. But however, if you go to fight against DNR & LNR then OK go ahead and fight. Many people in the Ukrainian Army see the only way to save their family and possessions is to join the Ukrainian Army because there is no choice. For this reason you see many people who fight when clearly their heart is not into it, they do not want to kill their brothers and cousins but are being forced to do so by fascist thugs who are running across the country acting with crazy brutality and with full impunity. You see this wherever certain geopolitical actors are involved. Rule by terror and chaos.

    May people from LNR & DNR speak directly with Ukrainian military who understand that this is a political situation and actively coordinate fire positions so as to not kill one another. For example brothers who previously served in Afghanistan together will do what they can to avoid killing one another now that they find themselves on opposite sides of the battle. But this only applies to the Ukrainian Army and the DNR & LNR. The Pravy Sektor and Azov Battalions as well as private mercenaries are the main units causing all the damage, chaos, terror and violence while the others are trying to avoid the politics and ride out the violence.

    As for Mozgovoi’s death. Of course their could be deep intelligence penetration inside the LNR, their could also be high tech reconnaissance from USA intercepting communications w/out a physical spy inside actively betraying Mozgovoi’s route.

    The Saker: Recently there have been speculations in the Russian media about MH17 being shot down by a BUK missile after all. In that hypothesis the Ukrainians managed to drive a BUK missile launcher into the the territory of the DNR undetected and then fired at MH17. Do you believe that it is possible for a Ukrainian crew drive a MH17 missile launcher undetected into the DNR-controlled territory and fire it in order to blame the Novorussians for the shot?

    Ramzes: I have a special attitude regarding this. I was in the sky on July 17th at the exact time MH17 was shot down. I saw a military military plane in the sky. There is only one military plane that can be in the sky at this time. Only a Ukrainian military jet could be in the airspace at that time. I was not the only person who saw this military plane. Many of us saw it. I saw it with my own eyes.

    The state that media then reported that Ukrainians denied having a plane in the air at that time. So ask yourself why are they lying?

    I checked an American run flight path tracking website and I saw my commercial flight, I saw MH17, I saw that at that exact time (20 minutes after MH17) my commercial plane’s flight path was logged on this website. The next day discussing this with fellow officers and friends we looked at the website again and in less than 24 hours my commercial flight was not on this web site . Why would they delete the flight record of a commercial flight? This is a daily scheduled flight from Greece to Russia. This flight appears on the July 16 and on July 18, and it was there on July 17 as per its regular schedule yet it was removed from the record on July 17th.

    If a BUK was also involved it makes sense, as military redundancy is always a practice employed when striking a target. It makes sense to have it hit by military jets, then by a BUK then by a bomb inside the aircraft and so on… This all points to a high level of preparation for this attack. However I do not think this was executed by high level professional operatives, it was most likely done by someone who could order ground units and planes to attack (read Oligarch) but not someone slick enough to have a bomb on board or make this look like an accident (read CIA or Special Ops). It could be CIA if they wanted to make it look like an Oligarch to trigger anger and a response. Again anything is possible but we know 100% it was not local fighters from the DNR or LNR. Especially not with Russia in any way supporting such craziness.

    The event was made to be the most important news, which implies it was a diversionary tactic for public consumption while on the ground troops were amassing and preparing for and initiating battles. Again, it was a cover for engagement. Clearly the LNR and DNR are suing for peace as is Moscow.

    So this tragedy was a clear and important pivot to make the world to pay attention and while the world paid attention to MH17 other orders were being executed on the ground to create the pretext for a full war.

    Thank you for providing the blog service for your readers world wide. Dear Saker readers please do help by making a donation as we understand in Russia that the information warfare in Western countries is relentless, this campaign is being conducted against us and that we deeply appreciate the time, energy and effort it takes to stand tall and speak truthfully. Together we can act as an effective Spetsnaz group. To know the whole situation and to individually do what needs to be done.

    Mozgovoi was a man driven by his consciousness he was a man of principals and actions. Let his soul observe us all continuing to support what he dies for – the truth and lasting peace.

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    Special forces’ unit commander killed in clashes with rebels in Tajikistan — source

    The commander of the special forces’ Alpha Group was one of the four servicemen killed in the clashes that continue in Tajikistan’s Ramit mountain gorge

    DUSHANBE, September 16. /TASS/. Four servicemen, including special forces’ Alpha Group commander Colonel Rustan Amakiyev, have been killed in clashed with militants from the armed grouping of former deputy defense minister Abdukhalim Nazarzoda in the Ramit mountain gorge in Tajikistan, a source close to the headquarters of the anti-terrorist operation told TASS on Wednesday.

    Clashes broke out last night 60 kilometers to the east of Dushanbe in Tajikistan’s Ramit mountain gorge and still continue. The details of the incident have been officially reported yet.

    On September 4, the rebellious general together with his supporters staged two terrorist attacks in Tajikistan’s capital Dushanbe and Vahdat, in the country’s west. Nazarzoda seized a large amount of weapons and hid in the Ramit Gorge. Nine police officers were killed as a result of the criminals' attacks and 12 others were wounded. More than 100 terrorists have been detained in an anti-terrorist operation that followed the attacks. Twelve of them surrendered arms voluntarily. Twenty-two were killed in clashes with law enforcers. The anti-terrorist operation is still underway.

    Tajik prosecutor general’s office initiated a criminal case against Nazarzoda, the former defense minister, on charges of high treason, terrorism, organizing an extremist group and sabotage. Similar charges were brought against Nazarzoda’s "closest supporter" Colonel Dzhunaidullo Umarov, who took active part in setting up a criminal group and attacking policemen in Dushanbe and Vakhdat. The prosecutor general’s office also said Nazarzods possessed a "big business" and dozens of illegally privatized assets."

    Over the years of the civil war in Tajikistan in 1992-1995, Nazarzoda, dubbed Khalim, was a field commander of the Tajik armed opposition. After a peace deal was signed in June 1997, Nazarzoda was commissioned to the Tajik army under the programme of reintegration of former opposition gunmen. In 2014, he was promoted to the rank of Major General and appointed deputy defense minister. He was dismissed from the post by President Emomali Rakhmov on Friday, September 5, for "committing a crime."


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