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    Post  George1 on Sat Dec 24, 2011 2:23 am

    Soviet and Russian military special forces

    The elite units of the Soviet Armed Forces and Armed Forces of the Russian Federation are controlled, for the most part, by the military-intelligence GRU (Spetsnaz GRU) under the General Staff. They were heavily involved in secret operations and training pro-Soviet forces during the Cold War and in the wars in Afghanistan during the 1980s and Chechnya during the 1990s and 2000s. In 2010, as a result of the 2008 military reforms, GRU special forces came under the control of the Ground Forces, being "directly subordinated to commanders of combined strategic commands." However, in 2013, these Spetsnaz forces were placed back under the GRU, under the wings of the newly formed Special Operations Forces of the Russian Federation . The Russian Airborne Troops  includes the 45th Guards Spetsnaz Regiment.

    Special Operations Forces, subordinate directly to the MoD

       Special Operations Command (KSO)
           TsSN "Senezh"

    Russian Ground Forces

       2nd Special Purpose Brigade in Promezhitsa, Pskov Oblast
       3rd Special Purpose Brigade in Tolyatti
       10th Special Purpose Brigade in Mol'kino, Krasnoyarsk Territory
       14th Special Purpose Brigade in Ussuriysk
       16th Special Purpose Brigade in Tambov
       22nd Special Purpose Guards Brigade in Stepnoi, Rostov Oblast
       24th Special Purpose Brigade in Irkutsk

    Russian Airborne Troops

       45th Guards Special Purpose Regiment

    Russian Navy

       Naval Special Operations Units
           442nd Naval Reconnaissance Spetsnaz Point (omrpSpN – Pacific Fleet)
           420th Naval Reconnaissance Spetsnaz Point (omrpSpN – Northern Fleet)
           431st Naval Reconnaissance Spetsnaz Point (omrpSpN – Black Sea Fleet)
           561st Naval Reconnaissance Spetsnaz Point (omrpSpN – Baltic Fleet)

    FSB of the Russian Federation special forces

    The Center of Special Operations of the FSB is officially tasked with combating terrorism and protecting the constitutional order of the Russian Federation. The CSN FSB consists of estimated 4,000 operators in three operative divisions:

       Directorate "A" (Spetsgruppa Alpha)
       Directorate "B" (Spetsgruppa Vega)
       Directorate "C" (Spetsgruppa Smerch)
       Regional FSB units


    Spetsgruppa 'A' (Alpha Group) is a counter-terrorist unit created in 1974. It is a professional unit, consisting of about 700 operators and support personnel in five operational detachments. Most are stationed in Moscow, with the remainder in three other cities: Krasnodar, Yekaterinburg and Khabarovsk. All Alpha operators undergo airborne, mountain and counter-sabotage dive training. Alpha has operated in other countries, most notably Operation Storm-333 (when Alpha and Zenith detachments supported the 154th Independent Spetsnaz Detachment—known as the "Muslim Battalion"—of the GRU on a mission to overthrow and kill Afghan president Hafizullah Amin).[69]

    Spetsgruppa "B" (Vympel, also known as "Vega" in period 1993-1995) was formed in 1981, merging two elite Cold War-era KGB special units—Cascade (Kaskad) and Zenith (Zenit)—which were similar to the CIA's Special Activities Division (responsible for covert operations involving sabotage and assassination in other countries) and re-designated for counter-terrorist and counter-sabotage operations. It is tasked with the protection of strategic installations, such as factories and transportation centers. With its Alpha counterparts, it is heavily used in the North Caucasus. Vympel has four operative units in Moscow, with branch offices in nearly every city containing a nuclear power plant.

    Spetsgruppa "C", or Smerch, but also known as the Service of Special Operations (ССО), is a relatively new unit formed in July 1999. Officers from Smerch are frequently involved with the capture and transfer of various bandit and criminal leaders who help aid disruption in the North Caucasus and throughout Russia. Operations include both direct action against bandit holdouts in Southern Russia as well as high-profile arrests in more densely populated cities and guarding government officials. Because of its initials, this group is casually referred to as “Smerch”. With the Center of Special Operations and its elite units, many FSB special forces units operate at the regional level. These detachments are usually known as ROSN or ROSO (Regional Department of Special Designation), such as Saint Petersburg's Grad (Hail) or Murmansk's Kasatka (Orca).

    Foreign Intelligence Service of the Russian Federation

    The SVR RF, formerly the First Chief Directorate of the KGB of the USSR, has its own top secret special force known as Zaslon (Заслон) (meaning Screen, Barrier or Shield) about which extremely little is known.

    Within the Operations Department of Directorate S, there is the elite Special Operations Group called Zaslon. Formerly in PGU KGB USSR called Vympel (e.g. French counterpart; Division Action). However, mere existence of such group within SVR is denied by Russian authorities. Nevertheless, there were some rumors that such group does indeed exist and is assigned to execute very special operations abroad primarily for protection of Russian embassy personnel and internal investigations. It is believed that the group is deep undercover and consists of approximately 300-500 highly experienced operatives speaking several languages and having extensive record of operations while serving in other secret units of the Russian military.

    Russian MVD special forces

    The Ministry of Internal Affairs (MVD) Spetsnaz includes a number of Russian Internal Troops (VV, successor to the Soviet Internal Troops) paramilitary units to combat internal threats to the government, such as insurgencies and mutinies. These units usually have a unique name and official OSN number, and some are part the ODON (also known as Dzerzhinsky Division).

    The following is a list of Internal Troops OSNs (отряд специального назначения, "special purpose detachment") in 2012:

       Dzerzhinsky Division (O.D.O.N.)
           604th Special Purpose Center
       7th OSN Rosich (Novocherkassk)
       12th OSN Ural (Nizhny Tagil)
       15th OSN Vyatich (Armavir)
       17th OSN Edelveys (Mineralnye Vody)
       19th OSN Ermak (Novosibirsk)
       20th OSN (Saratov)
       21st OSN Tayfun (Sosnovka)
       23rd OSN Mechel (Chelyabinsk)
       25th OSN Merkuriy (Smolensk)
       26th OSN Bars (Kazan)
       27th OSN Kuzbass (Kemerovo)
       28th OSN Ratnik (Arkhangelsk)
       29th OSN Bulat (Ufa)
       33rd OSN Peresvet (Moscow)
       34th OSN (Grozny)

    Are there any intentions of Russian Defense Ministry to create a Unified Special Forces Command?


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    Re: Russian Spetsnaz Forces Thread

    Post  Russian Patriot on Sat Dec 24, 2011 3:38 am

    George1 wrote:Are there any intentions of Russian Defense Ministry to create a Unified Special Forces Command?

    As of yet no! but I will move this to correct section : VDV
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    Re: Russian Spetsnaz Forces Thread

    Post  GarryB on Sat Dec 24, 2011 11:58 am

    AFAIK they are keeping the GRU intelligence, though it is getting smaller and is under each of the four districts command, so each district has its own recon and intel forces.

    The VDV has its own recon units, as does the Navy. In non military circles the FSB has its own counter terrorist teams like Alpha etc.

    So no, I don't think they will unify the command of such forces together as they each serve fairly different purposes for different groups.
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    Re: Russian Spetsnaz Forces Thread

    Post  George1 on Sun Dec 25, 2011 6:10 pm

    GarryB wrote:AFAIK they are keeping the GRU intelligence, though it is getting smaller and is under each of the four districts command, so each district has its own recon and intel forces.

    The VDV has its own recon units, as does the Navy. In non military circles the FSB has its own counter terrorist teams like Alpha etc.

    So no, I don't think they will unify the command of such forces together as they each serve fairly different purposes for different groups.

    A unified special operations command could include special forces from all branches, independently from the various recon units of each branch. As an example:

    Special Mission Units: Alpha, Vympel
    Russian Army: Spetsnaz, MVD Spetsnaz
    Russian Navy: Naval spetsnaz
    VDV: 45th Detached recon regiment
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    Re: Russian Spetsnaz Forces Thread

    Post  GarryB on Sun Dec 25, 2011 11:20 pm

    Wouldn't MVD Spetsnaz be under interior ministry forces?

    I have read that during the war in Georgia that the VDV cooperated with the Russian Navy... and since then they have trained together in case they need to work together again.

    When mentioning these joint exercises the VDV commander mentioned they hadn't done them before and this was pretty new for them.

    I guess the new Sniper brigades will need to be added to the special forces too.
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    Re: Russian Spetsnaz Forces Thread

    Post  George1 on Mon Dec 26, 2011 1:28 am

    I cant understand why Russia has so many interior forces. (Internal troops, SOBR, OMON, MVD Spetsnaz etc.). I think MVD Spetsnaz could be transformed to a support unit to other special forces groups like US Army Rangers. Russian special forces follow an old doctrine of structure and role
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    Re: Russian Spetsnaz Forces Thread

    Post  GarryB on Mon Dec 26, 2011 12:17 pm

    Each unit and group has a specific role and purpose.

    The MVD is responsible for border patrol and internal security, so they are like the coast guard and the national guard, and border patrol all in one.

    The FSB also has border patrol functions.

    The command structures in Russia... well the military ones, have had a fundamental reshuffle and now comprise 4 military districts with most forces... Army, Navy, Air Force... subordinate to them.

    Each district will have VDV and naval special forces and GRU (Intel gathering) forces, but space and air defence forces will not be subordinate to the regions and will operate above the whole Russian air space and above.

    Navy special forces doesn't need a centralised command because its missions will not be created centrally... Navy Spetsnaz will be attached to navy forces and will be assigned roles and missions based in that region... checking landing sites, intercepting underwater cables etc etc.

    It is the same for the other services... they operate in support of the units and brigades they work with.

    Centralising their command will separate them and make them clunky and unresponsive... the whole purpose of GRU spetsnaz is a recon unit that can be sent behind enemy likes to disrupt communications and command and take down SAM batteries or missile sites or whatever.
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    45th Detached Reconnaissance Regiment

    Post  George1 on Mon Feb 13, 2012 5:59 am

    5th Guards Separate Reconnaissance Regiment of VDV is a special reconnaissance and special operations unit within the Russian Airborne Troops, and based in Moscow.

    It was created in 1994 from the 901st Separate Landing Assault Battalion (created in 1979,) and 218th Separate Battalion for Special Operations of VDV, (created in 1992). The regiment has 690 men, 15 BTR-80, and 1 BTR-D; the 218th Battalion is homebased in Sokolniki.

    The unit is part of the Russian Airborne Troops (VDV) and directly subordinated to VDV Headquarters. However it is also operationally subordinate to the GRU.

    The Regiment fought in the First and Second Chechen Wars. In 1994 it fought for Dolinsky, Argun, and Grozny, sustaining casualties of 15 killed and 28 wounded. In June 2007 it was successfully inspected by the Commander-in-Chief of the VDV. In August, the 45th was involved in the 2008 South Ossetia War, where one battalion captured US Hummers jointly with the 7th Airborne Guards Division, and another defended Tskhinvali.

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    Re: Russian Spetsnaz Forces Thread

    Post  George1 on Tue Feb 14, 2012 5:59 am

    45th Recon Regiment receives airborne training?
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    Re: Russian Spetsnaz Forces Thread

    Post  GarryB on Tue Feb 14, 2012 7:43 am

    http://ra.spetsnaz.su/wiki/45th_Detached_Reconnaissance_Regiment

    The 45th Detached Reconnaissance Regiment is a special VDV recon regiment based in Moscow. It is special in the manner that it is directly subordinate to GRU.


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    Russian Spetsnaz Forces: Discussion Thread

    Post  Eagle9294 on Fri Apr 27, 2012 4:51 pm

    I am under the impression the elite are as follows...
    1.Alpha
    2.Vympel
    3.MVD

    Do I have them in the proper order?

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    Re: Russian Spetsnaz Forces Thread

    Post  ali.a.r on Fri Apr 27, 2012 6:31 pm

    What about the GRU spetsnaz guys? From everything I've heard about the spetsnaz ( which, admittedly, isn't much ), they are the best of the best, and after the fall of the USSR, all the previous osnaz (Alpha, Vityaz) units adopted their training and traditions.
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    Re: Russian Spetsnaz Forces Thread

    Post  TR1 on Fri Apr 27, 2012 10:24 pm

    MVD is the interior forces, they are most certainly not anything elite.
    They have many specialized units of course.
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    Re: Russian Spetsnaz Forces Thread

    Post  GarryB on Sat Apr 28, 2012 12:28 am

    GRU Spetsnaz is Army recon Spetsnaz and are what people in the west generally mean when they talk about Russian or Soviet Spetsnaz.

    Alpha and Vympel are KGB/FSB and are more counter terrorist forces.

    Basically GRU spetsnaz are used for war, while FSB units will be called in for things like the Moscow theatre siege.

    MVD is interior ministry troops, MVD spetsnaz are their special purpose troops and would be used against riots in prisons.

    You also forget the naval spetsnaz which have quite a reputation too... indeed the Soviet Naval Infantry were considered eilte as are the VDV and the VDV Spetsnaz.

    The main problem of course is that Spetsnaz translates to special purpose, so if you put a group of marines on a ship to protect it from pirates then they are special purpose troops and therefore Spetsnaz, though they didn't necessarily get any extra training other than to shoot when ordered at pirate speed boats.

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    Re: Russian Spetsnaz Forces Thread

    Post  Eagle9294 on Sat Apr 28, 2012 2:13 am

    GarryB wrote:GRU Spetsnaz is Army recon Spetsnaz and are what people in the west generally mean when they talk about Russian or Soviet Spetsnaz.

    Alpha and Vympel are KGB/FSB and are more counter terrorist forces.

    Basically GRU spetsnaz are used for war, while FSB units will be called in for things like the Moscow theatre siege.

    MVD is interior ministry troops, MVD spetsnaz are their special purpose troops and would be used against riots in prisons.

    You also forget the naval spetsnaz which have quite a reputation too... indeed the Soviet Naval Infantry were considered eilte as are the VDV and the VDV Spetsnaz.

    The main problem of course is that Spetsnaz translates to special purpose, so if you put a group of marines on a ship to protect it from pirates then they are special purpose troops and therefore Spetsnaz, though they didn't necessarily get any extra training other than to shoot when ordered at pirate speed boats.

    Never forgot about the Naval units. I believe one was called Dolphin. They are very good based on what I have read.
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    Re: Russian Spetsnaz Forces Thread

    Post  Mr.Kalishnikov47 on Sat Apr 28, 2012 2:28 am

    I don't like to call one better than the other in all honesty, although I personally will always have a soft spot for the GRU Spetsnaz due to them being the first thing I researched when my interest in Russia peaked. .

    But FSB is the first thing I think of when somebody says Spetsnaz, so I guess they have that going for them.

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    Re: Russian Spetsnaz Forces Thread

    Post  Eagle9294 on Sat Apr 28, 2012 2:49 am

    Mr.Kalishnikov47 wrote:I don't like to call one better than the other in all honesty, although I personally will always have a soft spot for the GRU Spetsnaz due to them being the first thing I researched when my interest in Russia peaked. .

    But FSB is the first thing I think of when somebody says Spetsnaz, so I guess they have that going for them.

    I always had a soft spot for Vympel, Red Army Scouts(WW2), and the Naval Commandos led by Viktor Leonov during WW2.

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    Re: Russian Spetsnaz Forces Thread

    Post  ali.a.r on Sat Apr 28, 2012 5:30 am

    What exactly are VDV spetsnaz? Is that the 45th recon regiment?
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    Re: Russian Spetsnaz Forces Thread

    Post  GarryB on Sat Apr 28, 2012 10:52 am

    Spetsnaz basically means special purpose troops, so VDV Spetsnaz perform specialist operations to support the VDV.

    I would say Vlad knows rather more about this than any of us since he was one... Vlad?
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    Re: Russian Spetsnaz Forces Thread

    Post  GarryB on Sat Apr 28, 2012 11:09 am

    I think any unified special operations command will not include all spetsnaz.

    They are introducing a 4 region structure and each region has a unified command for all forces within its district that controls army, navy, and air force. The Aerospace defence force is not part of its command and I would think MVD and FSB wouldn't be part either, but VDV and naval infantry would be part of the district command.

    Having a unified spec ops command doesn't make sense for FSB and MVD.
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    Re: Russian Spetsnaz Forces Thread

    Post  George1 on Mon Dec 03, 2012 7:31 pm


    Russian militaries want to create special commando force

    December 3, 2012 Alexei Mikhailov, Izvestia

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    The Joint Chiefs and the Foreign Military Intelligence Directorate (GRU) have asked Russian Minister of Defense Sergei Shoigu to quickly deal with the question of the necessity of creating a Special Operations Command (KSO) in Russia. A highly placed source in the Defense Ministry told Izvestia that the developers of the project for this command are in the process of obtaining a meeting with Shoigu.

    “In October of this year, the project was presented by representatives of the Joint [Chiefs of] Staff and GRU to then Defense Minister Anatoly Serdyukov for his consideration,” the source said, “but he rejected it, without explanation, as ‘not expedient.’”
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    According to the project, the KSO will consist of the following: a Defense Ministry special-purpose center called Senezh, which will answer directly to the minister; a SWAT team from one of the military districts; a helicopter squadron from the Center for Deployment and Retraining of Military Pilots (TsBP) at the Torzhok Air Base; and a squadron of transport Il-76s from the Migalovo airfield near Tver.

    “The task of creating such a center was assigned back in 2008,” the source told Izvestia.

    The KSO will be charged with carrying out emergency missions, such as freeing hostages on enemy territory, evacuating citizens from local conflict zones, and liquidating band formations. In a large-scale war, these commandos would be the ones to take out the enemy leadership, strategic sites, communication hubs, launch facilities for nuclear missiles, etc.

    In developing the structure of this command, the Joint Chiefs were guided by the experience of France, Great Britain and Germany; in creating certain tactical elements, they utilized the experience of the United States. These missions will be carried out mainly by the Senezh unit, while the SWAT and aviation teams will focus on auxiliary functions involving fire cover, transport and the landing of airborne troops.

    According to the Defense Ministry source, the KSO already exists in essence. At Torzhok, helicopter pilots have spent four years jointly training with Senezh for all aspects of combat. The transport planes have spent roughly as many years flying SWAT teams to missions.

    “The army SWAT team is the one remaining question mark. It will be either a team from Tambov or one of two teams from the Southern Military District. The Tambov team is closer, but the ‘southerners’ have more combat experience. They are all fully staffed, they have subunits for chemical defense, combat engineers, communications, the rear,” said the source.

    “Bringing all these units together in a unified center will make for better coordinated actions and better priorities in combat training. Today, pilots who have flown with Senezh of their own free will are not assigned to other missions. When we have a unified command, crews will focus on SWAT teams as a matter of course,” the Defense Ministry source said.

    He noted that paratroopers support the main unit in Germany and France, while Great Britain has a Special Forces Support Group. Helicopter and transport squadrons constantly train and fight together with ground units, so as to work out their combat coordination down to the last detail.

    Although the Joint Chiefs were displeased by Serdyukov’s rejection of this project, the SWAT team itself agreed with the former minister and said that the KSO should include all army SWAT teams, rather than separate units and subunits.

    “In addition to Senezh, we have seven land SWAT teams, four reconnaissance sea teams, special VDV regiments, psychological operations forces, and other special units. What should we do with them? Some will be left under the general military command, some will not. In Great Britain and France, the KSO includes all special-purpose units,” the source said.

    Anatoly Matveichuk, who holds a doctorate in military sciences, supports the intentions of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

    “Commandos carry out not only military but also political and economic missions. This should be an entirely independent structure. To make all available special units subordinate to this structure is not necessary; they can be introduced gradually, as they gain experience,” said Matveichuk.

    In his opinion, the KSO should answer directly to the supreme commander-in-chief, not to the minister of defense or the chiefs of staff.

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    Re: Russian Spetsnaz Forces Thread

    Post  collegeboy16 on Tue Dec 04, 2012 5:22 am

    George1 wrote:[b]
    http://rbth.ru/articles/2012/12/03/russian_militaries_want_to_create_special_commando_force_20635.html
    Hmm. the Russian equivalent to Delta Force? Sounds awesome, I look forward to the time when I play as them in a computer game, or better yet meet one, if ever there would be one.
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    Re: Russian Spetsnaz Forces Thread

    Post  George1 on Tue Dec 04, 2012 1:43 pm

    Yes although i thought that "Alpha" group was the Russian equivalent to Delta Force
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    Re: Russian Spetsnaz Forces Thread

    Post  George1 on Tue Dec 04, 2012 7:12 pm

    And what are the SWAT army teams??
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    Re: Russian Spetsnaz Forces Thread

    Post  Mr.Kalishnikov47 on Tue Dec 04, 2012 8:45 pm

    George1 wrote:Yes although i thought that "Alpha" group was the Russian equivalent to Delta Force

    Their roles are very similar, yes.

    And what are the SWAT army teams??

    GRU I'd assume.


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