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    Sukhoi-30 jet crashes in Assam, pilots eject safely

    Post  Pinto on Tue May 19, 2015 1:40 pm

    A Sukhoi-30 fighter aircraft on Tuesday crashed at Laokhowa in Nagaon district of Assam with both the pilot and co-pilot ejecting safely.

    The Su-30 fighter aircraft, flying from Tezpur’s Salanibari Air Force station on a routine sortie, lost connection with the radar at the airforce station at around 12.30 PM and crashed thereafter, a Defence spokesman said here.The aircraft had developed a technical problem and the pilot was forced to abandon the aircraft, he said.

    Both the pilots ejected safely and the aircraft crashed at Laokhowa near here.
    A Court of Inquiry has been ordered to ascertain the cause of the accident, the spokesman added.

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    Re: Indian Su-30MKI: News

    Post  SajeevJino on Tue May 26, 2015 5:20 am

    Pinto wrote:Whats the present status of super sukhoi upgrades of present "SU 30 MKI" to be done in batches. how many have been upgraded ?

    or the upgrades still going on ?

    44 sukhoi's being modified to carry Brahmos A missiles,

    But the Super Sukhoi modernization shelved for many reasons,

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    Re: Indian Su-30MKI: News

    Post  Pinto on Tue May 26, 2015 10:40 am

    SajeevJino wrote:
    Pinto wrote:Whats the present status of super sukhoi upgrades of present "SU 30 MKI" to be done in batches. how many have been upgraded ?

    or the upgrades still going on ?

    44 sukhoi's being modified to carry Brahmos A missiles,

    But the Super Sukhoi modernization shelved for many reasons,

    This is very unfortunate that super sukhoi upgrades has been shelved (any link of this news ?)

    Rafale ordered just 36 that too will come in three years. tejas mark 1 not even finally cleared and can not be a substitute for MRCA. Best way out would have been to upgrade su 30 mki and some additional MIG 35. Rafale has gone back on there word and price has been jacked up. 25% discount on buying 36 aircraft is nothing as discounts are always given when you buy whole package readymade with no transfer of technology

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    Re: Indian Su-30MKI: News

    Post  SajeevJino on Tue May 26, 2015 11:06 am

    Pinto wrote:

    This is very unfortunate that super sukhoi upgrades has been shelved (any link of this news ?)

    no clear links . But some informations.

    New Engine - Not selected yet
    New Radar - Not selected yet
    RAM Coating - No idea will this happens or Not


    Rafale ordered just 36 that too will come in three years. tejas mark 1 not even finally cleared and can not be a substitute for MRCA.

    Options are many more, may be more numbers of Rafale in Make in India, Gripen lobby is also in the moves


    Best way out would have been to upgrade su 30 mki and some additional MIG 35.


    The orders of the Su 30 MKI can be increased to original 272 to 24+40 maybe


    Rafale has gone back on there word and price has been jacked up. 25% discount on buying 36 aircraft is nothing as discounts are always given when you buy whole package readymade with no transfer of technology


    the 25% makes some sense, since the amount can be spend for more weapons like PGM's and SCALP. also 50% of the money will be invested back into India

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    Re: Indian Su-30MKI: News

    Post  Werewolf on Tue May 26, 2015 2:20 pm

    I think your quote is breaking forum rules to not to advertize forums and alike.

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    Re: Indian Su-30MKI: News

    Post  SajeevJino on Tue May 26, 2015 3:16 pm

    Werewolf wrote:I think your quote is breaking forum rules to not to advertize forums and alike.

    Is partial quoting is not acceptable..

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    Re: Indian Su-30MKI: News

    Post  Russian Patriot on Tue May 26, 2015 3:52 pm

    SajeevJino wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:I think your quote is breaking forum rules to not to advertize forums and alike.

    Is partial quoting is not acceptable..  

    Rule 5 no site advertising such as in your signature. PLEASE remove - RP

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    Post  SajeevJino on Tue May 26, 2015 6:01 pm

    Russian Patriot wrote:
    Rule 5 no site advertising  such  as in your  signature.  PLEASE  remove   - RP

    Done Changed.. indeed that's my Blog Onlee thumbsup thumbsup

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    Re: Indian Su-30MKI: News

    Post  SajeevJino on Tue May 26, 2015 7:15 pm

    SajeevJino wrote:

    New Engine - Not selected yet
    New Radar - Not selected yet
    RAM Coating - No idea will this happens or Not


    got it.. since idrw is not a good source .. But we can try


    DRDO and many of its labs are working on development of radar-absorbent paint and materials,

    http://idrw.org/drdo-shows-glimpses-of-iusav-combat-drone-again/

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    Re: Indian Su-30MKI: News

    Post  George1 on Mon Jun 15, 2015 3:49 pm


    Russia, India in talks on comprehensive modernization of Su-30MKI fighter jets

    The upgrade will concern Russian Su-30MKI fighter jets supplied to India around 20 years ago
    Sukhoi Su-30MKI fighter

    LE BOURGET, June 15. /TASS/. Russia and India are holding talks on comprehensive modernization of Su-30MKI fighter jet, deputy head of the Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation Konstantin Biryulin told TASS on Monday at the opening of Le Bourget Paris Air Show 2015.

    Commenting on the situation with upgrading Indian Su-30MKI fighter jets, Biryulin, who head the Russian delegation to the show, stressed that "talks are underway with Indian partners on conducting a comprehensive modernization of Su-30MKI jets which were first supplied [to India] around 20 years ago."

    "The modernization package includes onboard communication and data transfer systems, as well as radar equipment of Su-30MKI fighter jets. All these systems will be upgraded," he said.
    Russia's participation at Le Bourget

    Russia’s participation in Le Bourget Paris Air Show 2015 scheduled for June 15-21 has decreased insignificantly despite the uneasy political situation, Biryulin told TASS last week.

    "Thirty-nine organizations will present Russia’s aviation and rocket and space industry production at the show. In comparison to the last show in 2013, in which 46 our organizations took part, the decrease is insignificant, though the political situation now is much more difficult than two years ago," Biryulin said.

    "We still consider Paris Air Show to be a promising exhibition platform for maintaining and developing dialogue with our partners from Europe and other regions in the world," he stressed.

    According to Biryulin, "massive presence in Le Bourget is mostly due to friendly attitude of organizers of the show to Russian participants."

    "In the process of preparing for the show we did not face any counteraction or restrictions on forming our exhibition. Though this year the emphasis was made on showcasing our capabilities in designing civil aviation for understandable reasons, the Russian exhibition will also be informative in terms of presenting modern combat aviation," the delegation head noted.


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    Re: Indian Su-30MKI: News

    Post  Pinto on Fri Jul 03, 2015 5:54 pm

    In future modernization of su30 MKI which is being discussed, is there any possibility of installing AESA radars on this aircraft ?

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    Re: Indian Su-30MKI: News

    Post  AlfaT8 on Fri Jul 03, 2015 7:24 pm

    Pinto wrote:In future modernization of su30 MKI which is being discussed, is there any possibility of installing AESA radars on this aircraft ?
    Irbis?? Shocked

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    Re: Indian Su-30MKI: News

    Post  medo on Fri Jul 03, 2015 10:31 pm

    I doubt Su-30MKI could use Irbis or AESA radar from PAK-FA as they are too powerful with 20kW peak power, Su-35 and PAK-FA have more powerful engines to support them with energy. I think they will produce something based on Bars radar with replacing PESA antenna with AESA antenna. Maybe they will modernize processors in Bars to receive better capabilities like modernizing Zaslon to Zaslon-AM radar, which become more capable with processor modernization and antenna is the same. I also wonder how big is the difference in capabilities between export Bars-M radar and domestic Bars-R radar in Su-30SM as it have domestic processors.

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    Re: Indian Su-30MKI: News

    Post  Werewolf on Fri Jul 03, 2015 10:37 pm

    medo wrote:I doubt Su-30MKI could use Irbis or AESA radar from PAK-FA as they are too powerful with 20kW peak power, Su-35 and PAK-FA have more powerful engines to support them with energy. I think they will produce something based on Bars radar with replacing PESA antenna with AESA antenna. Maybe they will modernize processors in Bars to receive better capabilities like modernizing Zaslon to Zaslon-AM radar, which become more capable with processor modernization and antenna is the same. I also wonder how big is the difference in capabilities between export Bars-M radar and domestic Bars-R radar in Su-30SM as it have domestic processors.
    20 kw radar? That would burn through any current in the radar. The peak is around 4 kw.

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    Re: Indian Su-30MKI: News

    Post  medo on Fri Jul 03, 2015 11:07 pm

    Werewolf wrote:
    medo wrote:I doubt Su-30MKI could use Irbis or AESA radar from PAK-FA as they are too powerful with 20kW peak power, Su-35 and PAK-FA have more powerful engines to support them with energy. I think they will produce something based on Bars radar with replacing PESA antenna with AESA antenna. Maybe they will modernize processors in Bars to receive better capabilities like modernizing Zaslon to Zaslon-AM radar, which become more capable with processor modernization and antenna is the same. I also wonder how big is the difference in capabilities between export Bars-M radar and domestic Bars-R radar in Su-30SM as it have domestic processors.
    20 kw radar? That would burn through any current in the radar. The peak is around 4 kw.

    Irbis have 20 kW peak power, that is why it could detect 3 m2 target at 400 km.

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    Re: Indian Su-30MKI: News

    Post  medo on Fri Jul 03, 2015 11:34 pm

    The Irbis-E is a direct evolution of the BARS design, but significantly more powerful. While the hybrid phased array antenna is retained, the noise figure is slightly worse at 3.5 dB, but the receiver has four rather than three discrete channels. The biggest change is in the EGSP-27 transmitter, where the single 7-kilowatt peak power rated Chelnok TWT is replaced with a pair of 10-kilowatt peak power rated Chelnok tubes, ganged to provide a total peak power rating of 20 kilowatts.

    I find this claim from Wikipedia quite interesting. While Wikipedia claim for Bars-M radar to have 4 to 5 kW peak power, this claim at Irbis radar show, that Bars radar have 7 kW peak power, while Irbis have two 10 kW tubes giving full peak power 20 kW. Could be, that domestic Bars-R have 7 kW peak power, while export Bars-M have lowered to 4 to 5 kW. With better processor and computers Su-30SM have far more capable radar than Su-30MKI as I think Su-30SM also have more powerful engines than export one to support it. There is a good question, how powerful engines will upgraded Indian Su-30MKI have and how powerful radar they could support.

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    Re: Indian Su-30MKI: News

    Post  Werewolf on Sat Jul 04, 2015 1:01 am

    Couldy you provide a link to that, because those 20 kW sounds like it is powered by a nuclear reactor and the radar itself should be fried within a second...

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    Re: Indian Su-30MKI: News

    Post  medo on Sat Jul 04, 2015 9:52 am

    http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-Flanker-Radars.html#mozTocId533477

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irbis-E

    http://warfare.be/db/catid/334/linkid/2568/

    http://kret.com/en/product/8/

    There are also articles in take off magazines, but I don't know, how to put pdf format here. In Take off magazine producer also confirm, that Bars-R is improved version of Bars-M radar and have higher caracteristics comparing to export radar. Most probably use full 7 kW peak power comparing to export, which is most probably limited to 4 or 5 kW and better processors.

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    Re: Indian Su-30MKI: News

    Post  Werewolf on Sat Jul 04, 2015 11:07 am

    medo wrote:http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-Flanker-Radars.html#mozTocId533477

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irbis-E

    http://warfare.be/db/catid/334/linkid/2568/

    http://kret.com/en/product/8/

    There are also articles in take off magazines, but I don't know, how to put pdf format here. In Take off magazine producer also confirm, that Bars-R is improved version of Bars-M radar and have higher caracteristics comparing to export radar. Most probably use full 7 kW peak power comparing to export, which is most probably limited to 4 or 5 kW and better processors.

    Thanks, that is crazy 20kW yes that explains the Irbis performance.

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    Re: Indian Su-30MKI: News

    Post  flamming_python on Sat Jul 04, 2015 11:50 am

    20KW is really only the output of a small diesel generator; weighing no more than about 200kg. Granted it's enough power to supply a couple houses or so.

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    Re: Indian Su-30MKI: News

    Post  Werewolf on Sat Jul 04, 2015 11:58 am

    flamming_python wrote:20KW is really only the output of a small diesel generator; weighing no more than about 200kg. Granted it's enough power to supply a couple houses or so.

    Output of a generator is always high, the thingy here is the input a very delecate electronic piece gets that most radars only have 3-6 kW and some higher peaks is showing the big difference of what it can handle. For instance some jammers like the Apache jammers have an output of beneath 0.8-1 kW while trying to jam OSA,Tunguska, OKA, Tor etc. pp. In ECM, ECCM and Radar obersvation power you have to supply your electronics is a very important factor.

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    Re: Indian Su-30MKI: News

    Post  JohninMK on Thu Jul 23, 2015 1:19 am

    Four Su-30, plus support C-5, C-130 and Il-78 tanker are now in the UK for a few weeks for exercises with the RAF.

    http://theaviationist.com/2015/07/22/indian-flankers-deployed-to-uk/

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    Re: Indian Su-30MKI: News

    Post  aksha on Sat Aug 01, 2015 1:33 pm

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    Re: Indian Su-30MKI: News

    Post  higurashihougi on Thu Aug 06, 2015 7:23 am

    Yeah !! russia russia

    http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/indian-air-forces-top-guns-score-wins-in-the-uk-1204336

    Indian Air Force Sukhois Dominate UK Fighter Jets in Combat Exercises

    In some of the most intense international air combat exercises ever featuring the Indian Air Force, IAF pilots flying Sukhoi Su-30 MKI fighters had a resounding 12-0 scoreline in their favour against Royal Air Force Typhoon jets in Within Visual Range (WVR) dogfighting operations.

    In subsequent Large Force Exercises (LFE) which featured combined Eurofighter Typhoon and Su-30 formations, the IAF jets were somewhat less successful but consistently held an edge over the Typhoon.

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    Re: Indian Su-30MKI: News

    Post  Austin on Thu Aug 06, 2015 7:27 am

    http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/indian-air-forces-top-guns-score-wins-in-the-uk-1204336?pfrom=home-lateststories

    NEW DELHI:  In some of the most intense international air combat exercises ever featuring the Indian Air Force, IAF pilots flying Sukhoi 30 MKI fighters had a resounding 12-0 scoreline in their favour against Royal Air Force Typhoon jets in Within Visual Range (WVR) dogfighting operations.

    In subsequent Large Force Exercises (LFE) which featured combined Typhoon and Su-30 formations, the IAF jets were somewhat less successful but consistently held an edge over the Typhoon.

    In an exclusive interview, Group Captain Ashu Srivastav, the Contingent Commander in the exercises, told NDTV that the performance of his pilots was "exceptional." According to Group Captain Srivastav, who happens to be the IAF's most experienced Su-30 pilot, his pilots showed "flexibility and adaptability to a new environment and operating conditions and on this benchmark, I would rate them exceptional."

    A Sukhoi 30 MKI fighter jet of the Indian Air Force


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