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    Post  Guest on Fri Jan 06, 2017 9:00 pm

    KomissarBojanchev wrote:
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    I am sure they will be testing Hermes on the Ka-52K as well as other platforms.

    What do you mean "will be". This mounting was shown back in 2009. If hermes-A is still not ready then there is a severe problem with the management that needs a stalin-esque purge. The time for "will" is long gone, now there is "ASAP".

    Placing empty containers on hardpoint does not equal missile development and integration on combat platform you know. Hermes is still not ready judging by recent reports and seems it wont enter service for a while, hopefully development will be finished though 2017 and IOC will start in 2018. Again, hopefully. Some firing tests were held in 2015. and 2016. that is what we know.

    Here you can gasp how far back whole project we call Hermes actually goes: http://rbase.new-factoria.ru/missile/wobb/hermes/hermes.shtml
    So you're saying the situation is even more effed up since the development is going for 13 FUCKING YEARS already? Tanks are developed and put into service faster.

    Actually Hermes-A was first time mentioned in 1995. in magazine "Авиация - Kосмонавтикa".
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    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Fri Jan 06, 2017 9:18 pm

    Militarov wrote:
    KomissarBojanchev wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    KomissarBojanchev wrote:
    GarryB wrote:

    I am sure they will be testing Hermes on the Ka-52K as well as other platforms.

    What do you mean "will be". This mounting was shown back in 2009. If hermes-A is still not ready then there is a severe problem with the management that needs a stalin-esque purge. The time for "will" is long gone, now there is "ASAP".

    Placing empty containers on hardpoint does not equal missile development and integration on combat platform you know. Hermes is still not ready judging by recent reports and seems it wont enter service for a while, hopefully development will be finished though 2017 and IOC will start in 2018. Again, hopefully. Some firing tests were held in 2015. and 2016. that is what we know.

    Here you can gasp how far back whole project we call Hermes actually goes: http://rbase.new-factoria.ru/missile/wobb/hermes/hermes.shtml
    So you're saying the situation is even more effed up since the development is going for 13 FUCKING YEARS already? Tanks are developed and put into service faster.

    Actually Hermes-A was first time mentioned in 1995. in magazine "Авиация - Kосмонавтикa".

    A heavy ATGM that is developed for 23 years. Simply unreal. I wont be surprised if plasma cannons exist by the time the Hermes A enters service.
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    Post  GarryB on Sat Jan 07, 2017 11:24 am

    What do you mean "will be". This mounting was shown back in 2009. If hermes-A is still not ready then there is a severe problem with the management that needs a stalin-esque purge. The time for "will" is long gone, now there is "ASAP".

    Hahaha... I have a book from KPB tula from 2001 with mockups of the Hermes missile... do you think that means anything?

    If there is a will, and i hope there is, Hermes could be used on Su-34/Su-30 same way Brimstone is used on Typhoons.

    Would be interesting if they developed a smaller free fall model without the rocket booster to be released from high altitude from UCAVs... with a glider wing package or something.

    So you're saying the situation is even more effed up since the development is going for 13 FUCKING YEARS already? Tanks are developed and put into service faster.

    Grow up child.

    WTF is the point of putting into service a missile with a range of 20km when the in service attack helos that would carry it can't detect targets at more than 8-10km at best?

    Right now the Mi-28NM is getting near production and its mast mounted radar should be able to detect larger targets at 20-25km (ie buildings and bridges etc as well as tanks and IFVs). So now it starts to become useful... but even if it was ready right no in service aircraft could even use its capabilities... Vikhr is in service and much cheaper... as is Krisantema and Ataka.

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    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Sat Jan 07, 2017 7:59 pm

    At least khrisantema is in service...
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    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Sat Jan 07, 2017 8:04 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    What do you mean "will be". This mounting was shown back in 2009. If hermes-A is still not ready then there is a severe problem with the management that needs a stalin-esque purge. The time for "will" is long gone, now there is "ASAP".

    Hahaha... I have a book from KPB tula from 2001 with mockups of the Hermes missile... do you think that means anything?

    If there is a will, and i hope there is, Hermes could be used on Su-34/Su-30 same way Brimstone is used on Typhoons.

    Would be interesting if they developed a smaller free fall model without the rocket booster to be released from high altitude from UCAVs... with a glider wing package or something.

    So you're saying the situation is even more effed up since the development is going for 13 FUCKING YEARS already? Tanks are developed and put into service faster.

    Grow up child.

    WTF is the point of putting into service a missile with a range of 20km when the in service attack helos that would carry it can't detect targets at more than 8-10km at best?

    Right now the Mi-28NM is getting near production and its mast mounted radar should be able to detect larger targets at 20-25km (ie buildings and bridges etc as well as tanks and IFVs). So now it starts to become useful... but even if it was ready right no in service aircraft could even use its capabilities... Vikhr is in service and much cheaper... as is Krisantema and Ataka.

    They could've put it into service on the Su-25SM3, Su-30MK,, or on truck mounted launchers while being guided by UAVs.
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    Post  Flanky on Sat Jan 21, 2017 12:28 pm

    I was also very keen to know Hermes project status. Because all i hear is talk and talk... But i have seen Brimstone capabilities: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXyYXqX4Beo&t=49s
    If i were a person responsible for Hermes project development i would wait for Brimstone to be fielded and see its actual real capabilities and then finish Hermes development with equal if not better capabilities. I suspect this is probably what is happening. They are waiting to see how Brimstone will turn up to be and will adjust Hermes capabilities based on that?
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    Post  GarryB on Mon Jan 23, 2017 9:56 am

    I don't think so.

    Hermes is being developed for a customer... the Russian military.

    I very much doubt the Russian military will be saying to KBP that whatever they make of Hermes it has to be better than Brimstone...

    the russian military will have a fairly specific set of requirements in terms of speed, guidance options, range and effect on various types of target types... and they will all be unrelated to Brimstone.

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    Post  ult on Fri Mar 03, 2017 2:30 pm

    Vikhr-1 combat debut in Syria. Some footage of launches from 8 km.

    https://youtu.be/4vQbtHK1Dsg?t=2m28s

    УР-В means Guided Missile - Vikhr

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    Post  George1 on Tue Jul 02, 2019 2:25 pm

    Missile codenamed ‘item 305" had been developed for the Mi-28NM helicopter may be received by Ka-52 also

    https://tass.com/defense/1066655
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    Post  Cyberspec on Thu Jul 04, 2019 7:38 am

    George1 wrote:Missile codenamed ‘item 305" had been developed for the Mi-28NM helicopter may be received by Ka-52 also

    https://tass.com/defense/1066655

    Here's a lengthy article on the new missile....

    Tactical missile with multi-homing and bi-spectral infrared sensors...can be used against both stationary/mobile ground targets as well as selected maneuvering air targets (other helos?). Has a "Fire & Forget" and Top Attack capability

    Arrow https://topwar.ru/159600-zavesa-tajny-nad-izdeliem-305-priotkryta-na-chto-sposoben-groznyj-vzlomschik-dlja-nochnogo-ohotnika.html
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    Post  GarryB on Thu Jul 04, 2019 1:52 pm

    Interesting... short and medium wave IR sensors... they showed a few of those in association with Armata... the short wave IR can see through glass and water, while the medium wave has better range for detection...

    The sort of guidance they are talking about sounds rather like that suggested for the 9M100 short range missile with imagine IR sensor and a datalink to engage a range of targets both automatically and manually...

    Obviously most targets can still be engaged easily enough with Ataka and Krisantema with 8 missiles per outer pylon, with the former having up to 16 missiles and the latter having 8 missiles with the other pylon carrying its radar guidance antenna, but their new rocket pods and the new guidance packages for those rockets soon their attack helo pilots will be spoiled for choice when it comes to attacking targets on the battlefield...

    The diving top attack information is interesting because it makes these weapons much more effective against a range of targets... all the more so protected targets... with the US introducing javelin into service you would think the APS systems they use to defend their own tanks would be protected from diving top attack threats, but it seems to not be the case.

    Mention of dead zones in steep diving attacks on SAMs is interesting too... another reason to use layered anti aircraft systems...

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